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Re: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY

[Jim Brown]

On 3/20/2019 10:25 PM, Peter Dougherty wrote:

My understanding is that WinWarbler relies on Commander,


for frequency information. Mostly I use it WITHOUT Commander.

73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY

[Dave]

Pete,

I am still planning on stopping by after work around 3:30 unless I can get out 
earlier.

I’m sure a second set of eyes will help.

Dave

Sent from my iPad

> On Mar 21, 2019, at 1:25 AM, Peter Dougherty  wrote:
> 
> My understanding is that WinWarbler relies on Commander, so you need both of 
> those up together. I have tried this approach too, without success.
> 
> With Barry's help earlier tonight I managed to get the K3s working in AFSK-A 
> mode and successfully able to send and receive conventional 45 Baud RTTY 
> through FLDIGI and N1MM Logger Plus, so we can positively rule out audio 
> issues or transceiver issues, menu setup, etc. So "progress" maybe?
> 
> - pjd
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Bob McGraw K4TAX  
> Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2019 11:17 PM
> To: Barry 
> Cc: Peter Dougherty ; Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY
> 
> I suggest getting each basic application running correct before moving to the 
> next application.  When each will run correct then and only bring in the 
> integration application.  
> 
> CAT control should not need the VOX activated.  Using VOX is just another 
> audio level and delay that has to be correctly adjusted. 
> 
> Bob, K4TAX
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 20, 2019, at 9:29 PM, Barry  wrote:
>> 
>> Try one more thing. Go into menu and increase the VOX gain, but before you 
>> do that turn up the mic gain; this is actually line in level at this point. 
>> I'm suspecting that you might be operating with too low a level going in to 
>> the radio or VOX gain is too low. I sure hope this is the fix, 'cuz I've run 
>> out of ideas at the moment.
>> 
>> 73,
>> Barry
>> K3NDM
>> 
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Peter Dougherty" 
>> To: "Barry" ; Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
>> Sent: 3/20/2019 10:18:37 PM
>> Subject: RE: Re[6]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY
>> 
>>> VOX is engaged, the correct codec is selected, but nothing puts the radio 
>>> in PTT mode. It’s using the same codec as it does when sending voice keying 
>>> files, which transmit just fine. The radio is not switching into transmit.
>>> 
>>> What’s even more worrisome is how WinWarbler is not putting the K3s into 
>>> AFSK-A mode. It is forcing it into LSB, regardless of what’s set up in the 
>>> configurator.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> - pjd
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: Barry 
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2019 10:10 PM
>>> To: Peter Dougherty ; Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
>>> Subject: Re[6]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> H. Interesting. The first thing that comes to mind is that your tones 
>>> are not getting to the radio. Check to see that you are directing your 
>>> tones to the radio's built in sound card. You should be going out on USB 
>>> CODEC SPEAKER. Next turn you VOX on. If you are sending tones, the VOX will 
>>> turn your radio to transmit.  So, if you were planning to use the CAT 
>>> function for PTT, this will allow you to transmit regardless of a correct 
>>> set up for the PTT, or not.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 73,
>>> 
>>> Barry
>>> 
>>> K3NDM
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- Original Message --
>>> 
>>> From: "Peter Dougherty" 
>>> 
>>> To: "Barry" ; Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
>>> 
>>> Sent: 3/20/2019 7:08:53 PM
>>> 
>>> Subject: RE: Re[4]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 Well a very, very small bit of progress. Using Commander’s main page, mode 
 selection box, if I press RTTY then the K3s goes into the correct mode 
 (AFSK-A, with the filters applied). I am able to decode cleanly, so RX is 
 working fine.
 
 Still unable to go into transmit via DX Labs, however. As a reminder, CW 
 and SSB macros both send find and TX/RX switching is good. It’s just RTTY 
 (so far) that’s the problem. Even PSK-31 seems to be fine (not that I will 
 ever use that mode).
 
 I think this is a config problem within WinWarbler at this point. I went 
 through Fred’s awesome K3s/P3 manual and everything seems to be set 
 correctly.
 
 - pjd
 
 
 
 From: Barry 
 Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2019 11:26 AM
 To: Peter Dougherty ; Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Subject: Re[4]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY
 
 
 
 I don't know why setting up RTTY using AFSK and a K3s is yielding the 
 level of problems it appears to be. It should be just another digital 
 mode. The only difference should be is to set the radio to AFSK vice DATA 
 A; Of course, you could just use DATA A, but you do want to narrow down 
 the receive bandwidth.
 
 
 
 Layering the software as I do with N1MM + FLDIGI or WSJT-X with Ham Radio 
 Deluxe does add additional complexity, So, I would suggest just using a 
 simple one layer of software until  the familiarity for it is developed 
 and a level of comfort is built.
 
 
 
 I do like RTTY for contesting. FT8 is OK for DX, but when I get serious, 
 less often thes

Re: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY

[Peter Dougherty]

My understanding is that WinWarbler relies on Commander, so you need both of 
those up together. I have tried this approach too, without success.

With Barry's help earlier tonight I managed to get the K3s working in AFSK-A 
mode and successfully able to send and receive conventional 45 Baud RTTY 
through FLDIGI and N1MM Logger Plus, so we can positively rule out audio issues 
or transceiver issues, menu setup, etc. So "progress" maybe?

 - pjd

-Original Message-
From: Bob McGraw K4TAX  
Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2019 11:17 PM
To: Barry 
Cc: Peter Dougherty ; Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY

I suggest getting each basic application running correct before moving to the 
next application.  When each will run correct then and only bring in the 
integration application.  

CAT control should not need the VOX activated.  Using VOX is just another audio 
level and delay that has to be correctly adjusted. 

Bob, K4TAX


Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 20, 2019, at 9:29 PM, Barry  wrote:
> 
> Try one more thing. Go into menu and increase the VOX gain, but before you do 
> that turn up the mic gain; this is actually line in level at this point. I'm 
> suspecting that you might be operating with too low a level going in to the 
> radio or VOX gain is too low. I sure hope this is the fix, 'cuz I've run out 
> of ideas at the moment.
> 
> 73,
> Barry
> K3NDM
> 
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Peter Dougherty" 
> To: "Barry" ; Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Sent: 3/20/2019 10:18:37 PM
> Subject: RE: Re[6]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY
> 
>> VOX is engaged, the correct codec is selected, but nothing puts the radio in 
>> PTT mode. It’s using the same codec as it does when sending voice keying 
>> files, which transmit just fine. The radio is not switching into transmit.
>> 
>> What’s even more worrisome is how WinWarbler is not putting the K3s into 
>> AFSK-A mode. It is forcing it into LSB, regardless of what’s set up in the 
>> configurator.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> - pjd
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: Barry 
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2019 10:10 PM
>> To: Peter Dougherty ; Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re[6]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> H. Interesting. The first thing that comes to mind is that your tones 
>> are not getting to the radio. Check to see that you are directing your tones 
>> to the radio's built in sound card. You should be going out on USB CODEC 
>> SPEAKER. Next turn you VOX on. If you are sending tones, the VOX will turn 
>> your radio to transmit.  So, if you were planning to use the CAT function 
>> for PTT, this will allow you to transmit regardless of a correct set up for 
>> the PTT, or not.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 73,
>> 
>> Barry
>> 
>> K3NDM
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- Original Message --
>> 
>> From: "Peter Dougherty" 
>> 
>> To: "Barry" ; Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
>> 
>> Sent: 3/20/2019 7:08:53 PM
>> 
>> Subject: RE: Re[4]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> Well a very, very small bit of progress. Using Commander’s main page, mode 
>>> selection box, if I press RTTY then the K3s goes into the correct mode 
>>> (AFSK-A, with the filters applied). I am able to decode cleanly, so RX is 
>>> working fine.
>>> 
>>> Still unable to go into transmit via DX Labs, however. As a reminder, CW 
>>> and SSB macros both send find and TX/RX switching is good. It’s just RTTY 
>>> (so far) that’s the problem. Even PSK-31 seems to be fine (not that I will 
>>> ever use that mode).
>>> 
>>> I think this is a config problem within WinWarbler at this point. I went 
>>> through Fred’s awesome K3s/P3 manual and everything seems to be set 
>>> correctly.
>>> 
>>> - pjd
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: Barry 
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2019 11:26 AM
>>> To: Peter Dougherty ; Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
>>> Subject: Re[4]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I don't know why setting up RTTY using AFSK and a K3s is yielding the level 
>>> of problems it appears to be. It should be just another digital mode. The 
>>> only difference should be is to set the radio to AFSK vice DATA A; Of 
>>> course, you could just use DATA A, but you do want to narrow down the 
>>> receive bandwidth.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Layering the software as I do with N1MM + FLDIGI or WSJT-X with Ham Radio 
>>> Deluxe does add additional complexity, So, I would suggest just using a 
>>> simple one layer of software until  the familiarity for it is developed and 
>>> a level of comfort is built.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I do like RTTY for contesting. FT8 is OK for DX, but when I get serious, 
>>> less often these days, I use CW. My station is modest compared to many, 
>>> just a K3s and some wire in the backyard; no amp, tower, rhombics, etc. I 
>>> do have DXCC mixed, phone, CW, and am short 23 for digital and 21 on 80 for 
>>> 5BDXCC.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 73,
>>> 
>>> Barry
>>> 
>>> K3NDM
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- Original Message --
>>> 
>>> From: "Peter Dougherty" 
>>> 
>>> To: "Barry" ; 

Re: [Elecraft] K3S Filter Shape Factor

[Robert Sands]

I thought the shape factor of the 2.8kHz filter was 1.5 to 1 which is
impressive up front with good deep out of band pass rejection in excess of
70 dB. The DSP adds the final shaping to the signal that exceeds the
roofing filter spec and is therefore the most effective source of final
rejection. One observation I have made is that the DSP efficiency is better
when I use the 2.1 or 1.8 roofing filters which suggests that the
selectivity of the roofing filters is worth quite a bit in the mix. Is this
a fair analysis? MD here not EE.
Bob
K7VO

On Wed, Mar 20, 2019, 3:19 PM Don Wilhelm  wrote:

> Tony,
>
> The filter shape factor is not stated, but there are filter plots on the
> Elecraft website.
>
> The filer shape factor for the roofing filters is not critical as it is
> in an analog receiver.  In the K3/K3S, the final filter shape and shape
> factor is determined by the DSP filters which follow - the DSP filters
> have a very steep slope.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 3/20/2019 6:09 PM, ab2cj wrote:
> > All:
> >
> > Where can one find filter shape factor specifications for Elecraft K3S
> > filters?
> >
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Re: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY

[Bob McGraw K4TAX]

I suggest getting each basic application running correct before moving to the 
next application.  When each will run correct then and only bring in the 
integration application.  

CAT control should not need the VOX activated.  Using VOX is just another audio 
level and delay that has to be correctly adjusted. 

Bob, K4TAX


Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 20, 2019, at 9:29 PM, Barry  wrote:
> 
> Try one more thing. Go into menu and increase the VOX gain, but before you do 
> that turn up the mic gain; this is actually line in level at this point. I'm 
> suspecting that you might be operating with too low a level going in to the 
> radio or VOX gain is too low. I sure hope this is the fix, 'cuz I've run out 
> of ideas at the moment.
> 
> 73,
> Barry
> K3NDM
> 
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Peter Dougherty" 
> To: "Barry" ; Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Sent: 3/20/2019 10:18:37 PM
> Subject: RE: Re[6]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY
> 
>> VOX is engaged, the correct codec is selected, but nothing puts the radio in 
>> PTT mode. It’s using the same codec as it does when sending voice keying 
>> files, which transmit just fine. The radio is not switching into transmit.
>> 
>> What’s even more worrisome is how WinWarbler is not putting the K3s into 
>> AFSK-A mode. It is forcing it into LSB, regardless of what’s set up in the 
>> configurator.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> - pjd
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: Barry 
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2019 10:10 PM
>> To: Peter Dougherty ; Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re[6]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> H. Interesting. The first thing that comes to mind is that your tones 
>> are not getting to the radio. Check to see that you are directing your tones 
>> to the radio's built in sound card. You should be going out on USB CODEC 
>> SPEAKER. Next turn you VOX on. If you are sending tones, the VOX will turn 
>> your radio to transmit.  So, if you were planning to use the CAT function 
>> for PTT, this will allow you to transmit regardless of a correct set up for 
>> the PTT, or not.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 73,
>> 
>> Barry
>> 
>> K3NDM
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- Original Message --
>> 
>> From: "Peter Dougherty" 
>> 
>> To: "Barry" ; Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
>> 
>> Sent: 3/20/2019 7:08:53 PM
>> 
>> Subject: RE: Re[4]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> Well a very, very small bit of progress. Using Commander’s main page, mode 
>>> selection box, if I press RTTY then the K3s goes into the correct mode 
>>> (AFSK-A, with the filters applied). I am able to decode cleanly, so RX is 
>>> working fine.
>>> 
>>> Still unable to go into transmit via DX Labs, however. As a reminder, CW 
>>> and SSB macros both send find and TX/RX switching is good. It’s just RTTY 
>>> (so far) that’s the problem. Even PSK-31 seems to be fine (not that I will 
>>> ever use that mode).
>>> 
>>> I think this is a config problem within WinWarbler at this point. I went 
>>> through Fred’s awesome K3s/P3 manual and everything seems to be set 
>>> correctly.
>>> 
>>> - pjd
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: Barry 
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2019 11:26 AM
>>> To: Peter Dougherty ; Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
>>> Subject: Re[4]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I don't know why setting up RTTY using AFSK and a K3s is yielding the level 
>>> of problems it appears to be. It should be just another digital mode. The 
>>> only difference should be is to set the radio to AFSK vice DATA A; Of 
>>> course, you could just use DATA A, but you do want to narrow down the 
>>> receive bandwidth.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Layering the software as I do with N1MM + FLDIGI or WSJT-X with Ham Radio 
>>> Deluxe does add additional complexity, So, I would suggest just using a 
>>> simple one layer of software until  the familiarity for it is developed and 
>>> a level of comfort is built.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I do like RTTY for contesting. FT8 is OK for DX, but when I get serious, 
>>> less often these days, I use CW. My station is modest compared to many, 
>>> just a K3s and some wire in the backyard; no amp, tower, rhombics, etc. I 
>>> do have DXCC mixed, phone, CW, and am short 23 for digital and 21 on 80 for 
>>> 5BDXCC.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 73,
>>> 
>>> Barry
>>> 
>>> K3NDM
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- Original Message --
>>> 
>>> From: "Peter Dougherty" 
>>> 
>>> To: "Barry" ; Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
>>> 
>>> Sent: 3/20/2019 1:53:27 AM
>>> 
>>> Subject: RE: Re[2]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 I’ve been using WinWarbler for RTTY for almost 10 years now, and it 
 definitely works pretty well with the rest of Dave’s suite of software. Or 
 at least it did with the original MK and later the MK-II. I still had some 
 doozy problems setting it up even then. I documented everything back then 
 so if I experienced a crash I could rebuild pretty quickly. But this is a 
 wholesale change in which dozens of settings are now different. Again, 
 once this is all settled I’ll ha

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Hi, All
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Re: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY

[Barry]

Try one more thing. Go into menu and increase the VOX gain, but before 
you do that turn up the mic gain; this is actually line in level at this 
point. I'm suspecting that you might be operating with too low a level 
going in to the radio or VOX gain is too low. I sure hope this is the 
fix, 'cuz I've run out of ideas at the moment.


73,
Barry
K3NDM

-- Original Message --
From: "Peter Dougherty" 
To: "Barry" ; Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: 3/20/2019 10:18:37 PM
Subject: RE: Re[6]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY

VOX is engaged, the correct codec is selected, but nothing puts the 
radio in PTT mode. It’s using the same codec as it does when sending 
voice keying files, which transmit just fine. The radio is not 
switching into transmit.


What’s even more worrisome is how WinWarbler is not putting the K3s 
into AFSK-A mode. It is forcing it into LSB, regardless of what’s set 
up in the configurator.




- pjd



From: Barry 
Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2019 10:10 PM
To: Peter Dougherty ; Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re[6]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY



H. Interesting. The first thing that comes to mind is that your 
tones are not getting to the radio. Check to see that you are directing 
your tones to the radio's built in sound card. You should be going out 
on USB CODEC SPEAKER. Next turn you VOX on. If you are sending tones, 
the VOX will turn your radio to transmit.  So, if you were planning to 
use the CAT function for PTT, this will allow you to transmit 
regardless of a correct set up for the PTT, or not.




73,

Barry

K3NDM



-- Original Message --

From: "Peter Dougherty" 

To: "Barry" ; Elecraft@mailman.qth.net

Sent: 3/20/2019 7:08:53 PM

Subject: RE: Re[4]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY.



Well a very, very small bit of progress. Using Commander’s main page, 
mode selection box, if I press RTTY then the K3s goes into the correct 
mode (AFSK-A, with the filters applied). I am able to decode cleanly, 
so RX is working fine.


Still unable to go into transmit via DX Labs, however. As a reminder, 
CW and SSB macros both send find and TX/RX switching is good. It’s 
just RTTY (so far) that’s the problem. Even PSK-31 seems to be fine 
(not that I will ever use that mode).


I think this is a config problem within WinWarbler at this point. I 
went through Fred’s awesome K3s/P3 manual and everything seems to be 
set correctly.


- pjd



From: Barry 
Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2019 11:26 AM
To: Peter Dougherty ; Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re[4]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY



I don't know why setting up RTTY using AFSK and a K3s is yielding the 
level of problems it appears to be. It should be just another digital 
mode. The only difference should be is to set the radio to AFSK vice 
DATA A; Of course, you could just use DATA A, but you do want to 
narrow down the receive bandwidth.




Layering the software as I do with N1MM + FLDIGI or WSJT-X with Ham 
Radio Deluxe does add additional complexity, So, I would suggest just 
using a simple one layer of software until  the familiarity for it is 
developed and a level of comfort is built.




I do like RTTY for contesting. FT8 is OK for DX, but when I get 
serious, less often these days, I use CW. My station is modest 
compared to many, just a K3s and some wire in the backyard; no amp, 
tower, rhombics, etc. I do have DXCC mixed, phone, CW, and am short 23 
for digital and 21 on 80 for 5BDXCC.




73,

Barry

K3NDM



-- Original Message --

From: "Peter Dougherty" 

To: "Barry" ; Elecraft@mailman.qth.net

Sent: 3/20/2019 1:53:27 AM

Subject: RE: Re[2]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY



I’ve been using WinWarbler for RTTY for almost 10 years now, and it 
definitely works pretty well with the rest of Dave’s suite of 
software. Or at least it did with the original MK and later the 
MK-II. I still had some doozy problems setting it up even then. I 
documented everything back then so if I experienced a crash I could 
rebuild pretty quickly. But this is a wholesale change in which 
dozens of settings are now different. Again, once this is all settled 
I’ll have screenshot of each setting page so this will (hopefully) be 
a one-off…provided I keep the K3!


RTTY is always the red-headed stepchild of radio setups for me, and 
the sooner it fades into oblivion as a digital mode the happier I’ll 
be. I have little love for FT8, but that’s where the DX is now!



- pjd



From: Barry 
Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2019 1:08 AM
To: Peter Dougherty ; Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re[2]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY



Peter,

For a simple uncomplicated set up, the software choice is 
whatever you are familiar with, but the GENERAL set up should be the 
same. I use FLDIGI for two reasons, I know it and it interfaces with 
N1MM for contesting. I doubt it works better or worse than most of 
the others. With software there are no interfaces needed if you are 
using a K3s making set up easier. Like I said earlier, it's just a

Re: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY

[Peter Dougherty]

VOX is engaged, the correct codec is selected, but nothing puts the radio in 
PTT mode. It’s using the same codec as it does when sending voice keying files, 
which transmit just fine. The radio is not switching into transmit.

What’s even more worrisome is how WinWarbler is not putting the K3s into AFSK-A 
mode. It is forcing it into LSB, regardless of what’s set up in the 
configurator. 

 

- pjd

 

From: Barry  
Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2019 10:10 PM
To: Peter Dougherty ; Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re[6]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY

 

H. Interesting. The first thing that comes to mind is that your tones are 
not getting to the radio. Check to see that you are directing your tones to the 
radio's built in sound card. You should be going out on USB CODEC SPEAKER. Next 
turn you VOX on. If you are sending tones, the VOX will turn your radio to 
transmit.  So, if you were planning to use the CAT function for PTT, this will 
allow you to transmit regardless of a correct set up for the PTT, or not.

 

73,

Barry

K3NDM

 

-- Original Message --

From: "Peter Dougherty" mailto:li...@w2irt.net> >

To: "Barry" mailto:barrylaz...@gmail.com> >; 
Elecraft@mailman.qth.net  

Sent: 3/20/2019 7:08:53 PM

Subject: RE: Re[4]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY. 

 

Well a very, very small bit of progress. Using Commander’s main page, mode 
selection box, if I press RTTY then the K3s goes into the correct mode (AFSK-A, 
with the filters applied). I am able to decode cleanly, so RX is working fine.

Still unable to go into transmit via DX Labs, however. As a reminder, CW and 
SSB macros both send find and TX/RX switching is good. It’s just RTTY (so far) 
that’s the problem. Even PSK-31 seems to be fine (not that I will ever use that 
mode).

I think this is a config problem within WinWarbler at this point. I went 
through Fred’s awesome K3s/P3 manual and everything seems to be set correctly.

- pjd

 

From: Barry mailto:barrylaz...@gmail.com> > 
Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2019 11:26 AM
To: Peter Dougherty mailto:li...@w2irt.net> >; 
Elecraft@mailman.qth.net  
Subject: Re[4]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY

 

I don't know why setting up RTTY using AFSK and a K3s is yielding the level of 
problems it appears to be. It should be just another digital mode. The only 
difference should be is to set the radio to AFSK vice DATA A; Of course, you 
could just use DATA A, but you do want to narrow down the receive bandwidth. 

 

Layering the software as I do with N1MM + FLDIGI or WSJT-X with Ham Radio 
Deluxe does add additional complexity, So, I would suggest just using a simple 
one layer of software until  the familiarity for it is developed and a level of 
comfort is built.

 

I do like RTTY for contesting. FT8 is OK for DX, but when I get serious, less 
often these days, I use CW. My station is modest compared to many, just a K3s 
and some wire in the backyard; no amp, tower, rhombics, etc. I do have DXCC 
mixed, phone, CW, and am short 23 for digital and 21 on 80 for 5BDXCC.

 

73,

Barry

K3NDM

 

-- Original Message --

From: "Peter Dougherty" mailto:li...@w2irt.net> >

To: "Barry" mailto:barrylaz...@gmail.com> >; 
Elecraft@mailman.qth.net  

Sent: 3/20/2019 1:53:27 AM

Subject: RE: Re[2]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY

 

I’ve been using WinWarbler for RTTY for almost 10 years now, and it definitely 
works pretty well with the rest of Dave’s suite of software. Or at least it did 
with the original MK and later the MK-II. I still had some doozy problems 
setting it up even then. I documented everything back then so if I experienced 
a crash I could rebuild pretty quickly. But this is a wholesale change in which 
dozens of settings are now different. Again, once this is all settled I’ll have 
screenshot of each setting page so this will (hopefully) be a one-off…provided 
I keep the K3!

RTTY is always the red-headed stepchild of radio setups for me, and the sooner 
it fades into oblivion as a digital mode the happier I’ll be. I have little 
love for FT8, but that’s where the DX is now!



- pjd

 

From: Barry mailto:barrylaz...@gmail.com> > 
Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2019 1:08 AM
To: Peter Dougherty mailto:li...@w2irt.net> >; 
Elecraft@mailman.qth.net  
Subject: Re[2]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY

 

Peter,

For a simple uncomplicated set up, the software choice is whatever you are 
familiar with, but the GENERAL set up should be the same. I use FLDIGI for two 
reasons, I know it and it interfaces with N1MM for contesting. I doubt it works 
better or worse than most of the others. With software there are no interfaces 
needed if you are using a K3s making set up easier. Like I said earlier, it's 
just a matter of letting your software know what sound card you are using, the 
USB CODEC, and the com port of the radio. The rest is pretty much twisting the 
kn

Re: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY

[Barry]

H. Interesting. The first thing that comes to mind is that your 
tones are not getting to the radio. Check to see that you are directing 
your tones to the radio's built in sound card. You should be going out 
on USB CODEC SPEAKER. Next turn you VOX on. If you are sending tones, 
the VOX will turn your radio to transmit.  So, if you were planning to 
use the CAT function for PTT, this will allow you to transmit regardless 
of a correct set up for the PTT, or not.


73,
Barry
K3NDM

-- Original Message --
From: "Peter Dougherty" 
To: "Barry" ; Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: 3/20/2019 7:08:53 PM
Subject: RE: Re[4]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY.

Well a very, very small bit of progress. Using Commander’s main page, 
mode selection box, if I press RTTY then the K3s goes into the correct 
mode (AFSK-A, with the filters applied). I am able to decode cleanly, 
so RX is working fine.


Still unable to go into transmit via DX Labs, however. As a reminder, 
CW and SSB macros both send find and TX/RX switching is good. It’s just 
RTTY (so far) that’s the problem. Even PSK-31 seems to be fine (not 
that I will ever use that mode).


I think this is a config problem within WinWarbler at this point. I 
went through Fred’s awesome K3s/P3 manual and everything seems to be 
set correctly.



- pjd



From: Barry 
Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2019 11:26 AM
To: Peter Dougherty ; Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re[4]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY



I don't know why setting up RTTY using AFSK and a K3s is yielding the 
level of problems it appears to be. It should be just another digital 
mode. The only difference should be is to set the radio to AFSK vice 
DATA A; Of course, you could just use DATA A, but you do want to narrow 
down the receive bandwidth.




Layering the software as I do with N1MM + FLDIGI or WSJT-X with Ham 
Radio Deluxe does add additional complexity, So, I would suggest just 
using a simple one layer of software until  the familiarity for it is 
developed and a level of comfort is built.




I do like RTTY for contesting. FT8 is OK for DX, but when I get 
serious, less often these days, I use CW. My station is modest compared 
to many, just a K3s and some wire in the backyard; no amp, tower, 
rhombics, etc. I do have DXCC mixed, phone, CW, and am short 23 for 
digital and 21 on 80 for 5BDXCC.




73,

Barry

K3NDM



-- Original Message --

From: "Peter Dougherty" 

To: "Barry" ; Elecraft@mailman.qth.net

Sent: 3/20/2019 1:53:27 AM

Subject: RE: Re[2]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY



I’ve been using WinWarbler for RTTY for almost 10 years now, and it 
definitely works pretty well with the rest of Dave’s suite of 
software. Or at least it did with the original MK and later the MK-II. 
I still had some doozy problems setting it up even then. I documented 
everything back then so if I experienced a crash I could rebuild 
pretty quickly. But this is a wholesale change in which dozens of 
settings are now different. Again, once this is all settled I’ll have 
screenshot of each setting page so this will (hopefully) be a 
one-off…provided I keep the K3!


RTTY is always the red-headed stepchild of radio setups for me, and 
the sooner it fades into oblivion as a digital mode the happier I’ll 
be. I have little love for FT8, but that’s where the DX is now!




- pjd



From: Barry 
Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2019 1:08 AM
To: Peter Dougherty ; Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re[2]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY



Peter,

For a simple uncomplicated set up, the software choice is whatever 
you are familiar with, but the GENERAL set up should be the same. I 
use FLDIGI for two reasons, I know it and it interfaces with N1MM for 
contesting. I doubt it works better or worse than most of the others. 
With software there are no interfaces needed if you are using a K3s 
making set up easier. Like I said earlier, it's just a matter of 
letting your software know what sound card you are using, the USB 
CODEC, and the com port of the radio. The rest is pretty much twisting 
the knobs on the radio to set levels. You should loose no sleep over 
this; it's make you tired and mistake prone. Only one thing I forgot 
to tell you and that is turn your VOX on so the tones turn your 
transmitter on automatically and off when you're finished sending.




I just looked up Winwarbler. It says it can be used for RTTY, but 
you need either a multimode modem or some additional software and then 
they must all play together. I really suggest not using Winwarbler if 
I am correct; it will add an additional level of complexity. Use 
FLDIGI. MixW, MultiPSK, or another complete S/W application. The setup 
should be more straight forward.




If you want, I can talk you through it via LL phone. It really 
shouldn't take more than about 30-45 minutes to make it all play. 
Contact me directly and I'll give you my phone number. But, I don't 
function before about noon EDT.




73,

Barry

K3NDM



-- Original M

Re: [Elecraft] Remote On/Off KPA-1500

[Bob Wilson, N6TV]

On Mon, Mar 18, 2019 at 7:39 PM Jorge Diez - CX6VM 
wrote:

> what are the diferent ways to turn KPA1500´s on/off remotely?
>
> Is there any way to turn it on/off alone, with no need to turn on/off the
> K3?
>

Yes.  There are at least three methods to power the KPA1500 ON/OF
independently without using the REM jack on the back of KPA1500, assuming
you leave the rocker switch on the back of the separate KPA1500 power
supply in the ON position:

   1. Connect the KPA1500 to a PC via USB cable.  Use the KPA1500 Utility
   (running on a local PC) to power the amp. on and off.  The KPA1500
   Remote Software
    also
   has this capability.
   -or-
   2. Momentarily ground Pin 8 of the KPA1500 AUX connector.  This is
   easily accomplished using an S-BOX  or S-BOX-USB
   and a simple program to pulse the DTR or RTS pin of a real or virtual
   serial port, or you can build an equivalent circuit using a resistor and
   NPN transistor (same technique that is used by RemoteHams software to power
   up a K3 remotely with no RemoteRig box required).  A KPAK3AUX cable cannot
   be used (no connection on Pin 8).
   3. Use a Y-BOX v2.1  which can connect DIGOUT 1
   (Pin 11) to the amplifier PIn 8, and a K3 Macro, as described in detail
   here .

For example i want to turn on K3, but want to have KPA1500 off, is there
> any way to do that?
>

Yes.  See above.

73,
Bob, N6TV
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Re: [Elecraft] Pair of K3 in master-slave mode

[Bob Wilson, N6TV]

In theory (I have not tried it), one could send an AI2; command to the
Master K3, to enable "AUTO INFO mode 2," then connect the two K3s to each
other using a male-to-male null-modem cable (pins 2 and 3 crossed).  Then
the Slave K3 should track the Master K3.

To get a logging program working on Master, you may want to use a K3S (or
K3 with KIO3B upgrade), using the USB port used for the logger control, and
connect the RJ45 to DE9 "pigtail" to the Slave via a "one-way" null-modem
cable.  Pin 2 on the pigtail (Master) would be connected to Pin 3 on the
Slave.  Pin 5 (GND) would be connected straight through.  Do not connect
Pin 2 on the Slave to Pin 3 on the Master, so the communication is only one
way: Master to Slave.

Note: AI2; mode doesn't output every movement of the VFO knobs.  It only
sends the new frequency to the other radio when you stop turning the knob,
so the slave tracking would not be instantaneous; there would be a delay.

Another option would be to try the experimental "Tracking" feature of a
microHAM MK2R+ (firmware 7.5 or later).

73,
Bob, N6TV


On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 11:37 AM Igor Sokolov  wrote:

> I wonder if somebody knows of an easy way to make a pair of K3 (both
> with subRX) work in master-slave mode. In other words I want to tune one
> K3 and want the second K3 follow. The idea is to have 4 antennas
> connected to 4 receivers so that 4 directions can be monitored
> simultaneously in contests so polling from a contest logger is also in
> the mix. If possible, a hardware solution would be the best but software
> solution is also OK.
>
> 73, Igor UA9CDC
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Re: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY

[Peter Dougherty]

Well a very, very small bit of progress. Using Commander’s main page, mode 
selection box, if I press RTTY then the K3s goes into the correct mode (AFSK-A, 
with the filters applied). I am able to decode cleanly, so RX is working fine.

Still unable to go into transmit via DX Labs, however. As a reminder, CW and 
SSB macros both send find and TX/RX switching is good. It’s just RTTY (so far) 
that’s the problem. Even PSK-31 seems to be fine (not that I will ever use that 
mode).

I think this is a config problem within WinWarbler at this point. I went 
through Fred’s awesome K3s/P3 manual and everything seems to be set correctly.



- pjd

 

From: Barry  
Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2019 11:26 AM
To: Peter Dougherty ; Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re[4]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY

 

I don't know why setting up RTTY using AFSK and a K3s is yielding the level of 
problems it appears to be. It should be just another digital mode. The only 
difference should be is to set the radio to AFSK vice DATA A; Of course, you 
could just use DATA A, but you do want to narrow down the receive bandwidth. 

 

Layering the software as I do with N1MM + FLDIGI or WSJT-X with Ham Radio 
Deluxe does add additional complexity, So, I would suggest just using a simple 
one layer of software until  the familiarity for it is developed and a level of 
comfort is built.

 

I do like RTTY for contesting. FT8 is OK for DX, but when I get serious, less 
often these days, I use CW. My station is modest compared to many, just a K3s 
and some wire in the backyard; no amp, tower, rhombics, etc. I do have DXCC 
mixed, phone, CW, and am short 23 for digital and 21 on 80 for 5BDXCC.

 

73,

Barry

K3NDM

 

-- Original Message --

From: "Peter Dougherty" mailto:li...@w2irt.net> >

To: "Barry" mailto:barrylaz...@gmail.com> >; 
Elecraft@mailman.qth.net  

Sent: 3/20/2019 1:53:27 AM

Subject: RE: Re[2]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY

 

I’ve been using WinWarbler for RTTY for almost 10 years now, and it definitely 
works pretty well with the rest of Dave’s suite of software. Or at least it did 
with the original MK and later the MK-II. I still had some doozy problems 
setting it up even then. I documented everything back then so if I experienced 
a crash I could rebuild pretty quickly. But this is a wholesale change in which 
dozens of settings are now different. Again, once this is all settled I’ll have 
screenshot of each setting page so this will (hopefully) be a one-off…provided 
I keep the K3!

RTTY is always the red-headed stepchild of radio setups for me, and the sooner 
it fades into oblivion as a digital mode the happier I’ll be. I have little 
love for FT8, but that’s where the DX is now!




- pjd

 

From: Barry mailto:barrylaz...@gmail.com> > 
Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2019 1:08 AM
To: Peter Dougherty mailto:li...@w2irt.net> >; 
Elecraft@mailman.qth.net  
Subject: Re[2]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY

 

Peter,

For a simple uncomplicated set up, the software choice is whatever you are 
familiar with, but the GENERAL set up should be the same. I use FLDIGI for two 
reasons, I know it and it interfaces with N1MM for contesting. I doubt it works 
better or worse than most of the others. With software there are no interfaces 
needed if you are using a K3s making set up easier. Like I said earlier, it's 
just a matter of letting your software know what sound card you are using, the 
USB CODEC, and the com port of the radio. The rest is pretty much twisting the 
knobs on the radio to set levels. You should loose no sleep over this; it's 
make you tired and mistake prone. Only one thing I forgot to tell you and that 
is turn your VOX on so the tones turn your transmitter on automatically and off 
when you're finished sending.

 

I just looked up Winwarbler. It says it can be used for RTTY, but you need 
either a multimode modem or some additional software and then they must all 
play together. I really suggest not using Winwarbler if I am correct; it will 
add an additional level of complexity. Use FLDIGI. MixW, MultiPSK, or another 
complete S/W application. The setup should be more straight forward. 

 

If you want, I can talk you through it via LL phone. It really shouldn't 
take more than about 30-45 minutes to make it all play. Contact me directly and 
I'll give you my phone number. But, I don't function before about noon EDT.

 

73,

Barry

K3NDM

 

-- Original Message --

From: "Peter Dougherty" mailto:li...@w2irt.net> >

To: "Barry" mailto:barrylaz...@gmail.com> >; 
Elecraft@mailman.qth.net  

Sent: 3/19/2019 9:56:10 PM

Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY

 

Before I start messing with FLDigi, I would really rather prefer to get it 
working with the native DX Lab Suite first, and why I mentioned it in my 
initial post. Adding more software that I don’t (and will never) understand is 
the

Re: [Elecraft] K3 Utility Macro Editor

[Jim - WS6X]

Hello Again,
Thanks to all who responded. I found the answer:
The "SAVE" button in the K3 Utility Macro Editor writes directly to the
Windows Registry. That was the ONE place I hadn't thought to look!
BTW: The "Write to K3" button is an entirely different function, not the one
I was seeking.
73,
Jim - WS6X

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Re: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY

[Peter Dougherty]

Hi Rich,
I didn’t realize that the MAIN:MIC+LIN setting is disabled in data modes. Right 
now, with the radio in Data mode, AFSK-A, Mic Sel is set to LInE In, and 
Mic+LIN is flagged not APPL.

 

Commander is running and interfaces perfectly with the radio. The RTTY sub-mode 
box is (and has been) set to AFSK. When I press the TX button in the General 
tab, or on the Commander application’s main interface the radio switches into 
transmit, and ditto RX with the RX button. Commander is working fine.

I am not using any form of hardware PTT now. Everything is using just the USB 
port on the K3s.

The issue is definitely within WinWarbler in my estimation. I posted this to a 
relevant thread on the DX Labs reflector, but the upshot is that WinWarbler is 
forcing the radio into LSB (voice) mode, and does not appear to even try to use 
DATA mode/AFSK-A within the K3s, and the TX/RX switching in RTTY mode doesn’t 
work. It DOES work in CW and SSB and both those send macros just fine.

With WinWarbler shut down I can manually go select DATA mode on the K3s and it 
seems to receive fine (can’t test it out because there hasn’t been a real live 
RTTY signal all day). As soon as I bring WW back up, and select the RTTY mode 
radio button, the K3s drops into LSB mode.

Something I just did notice now, however. On commander, in the mode selection 
box, if I hit RTTY, the K3s DOES go into AFSK-A RTTY mode, and the TX/RX 
buttons work (no tones sent, just asserting PTT and that’s it). On the General 
tab of the WinWarbler config panel I have selected RTTY Transceiver mode for 
RTTY operating mode but so far no joy. I’m guessing DATA-L and DATA-U are not 
for RTTY operation in that case. I will try shutting down DX Lab Suite, 
rebooting the PC, and see if that helps.

 

- pjd

 

From: Richard Ferch  
Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2019 8:49 AM
To: Peter Dougherty 
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY

 

First, in Data modes, do *not* set MAIN:MIC+LIN to ON. As Joe has explained, 
you need to set MAIN:MIC+LIN to OFF and MAIN:MIC SEL to LINE.

 

When you are using WinWarbler, all radio control functions are handled by 
Commander. Commander must be running, and must be interfaced with the radio. 
The RTTY sub-mode selector is on the General tab of Coimmander's Config window 
(upper right quadrant). If you don't see it, Commander is not communicating 
with the radio, and you need to correct that first.

 

Unless you are using a hardware PTT method on a separate COM port from rig 
control, PTT is also handled by Commander (that is what the Xcvr Ctrl App 
setting in the WinWarbler configuration means). The PTT buttons on the main 
Commander window need to be working; if they don't switch the radio into and 
out of transmit, you need to fix that, otherwise WinWarbler will be unable to 
control PTT via Commander.

 

73,

Rich VE3KI

 

 

On Wed, Mar 20, 2019 at 12:12 AM Peter Dougherty mailto:li...@w2irt.net> > wrote:

Hi Rich/all,

Well I managed to find the thing that was really messing me up overall, but
I'm still having massive RTTY issues.

What had been happening was no AFSK tones for RTTY were getting through, and
no voice files for SSB. The key (as I think you mentioned on the N1MM
reflector) was the MENU: MIC+LIN setting on the K3s. Once I set that to ON I
got voice files. But there's literally nothing I can do to get out of LSB
voice mode when WinWarbler is in RTTY mode.

Right now, on the RTTY tab, in the Modulation and Transceiver Mode section I
have AFSK with the LSB button ticked. I've tried both RTTY mode and DATA-L,
which Joe suggested. As I switch WinWarbler between CW, SSB, and RTTY, when
I get to RTTY the radio is placed into LSB (voice) mode, not DATA-A, which
is the desired result. There is no PTT either, the radio just stays in LSB
receive.There is no RTTY SUB MODE setting on the General tab. I guess Dave
removed it after your wrote the wiki; however I changed the DATA-L to RTTY.
No change. 

Since the Elecraft portion of this setup has been solved (Mic+LIN), the rest
is related to DX Labs, so I'm going to take this last bit of setup to their
groups.io   forum to conserve bandwidth on this reflector.

 - pjd

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Behalf Of Richard Ferch
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2019 10:27 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net  
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY

.

73,
Rich VE3KI
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Re: [Elecraft] K3S Filter Shape Factor

[Don Wilhelm]

Tony,

The filter shape factor is not stated, but there are filter plots on the 
Elecraft website.


The filer shape factor for the roofing filters is not critical as it is 
in an analog receiver.  In the K3/K3S, the final filter shape and shape 
factor is determined by the DSP filters which follow - the DSP filters 
have a very steep slope.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 3/20/2019 6:09 PM, ab2cj wrote:

All:

Where can one find filter shape factor specifications for Elecraft K3S 
filters?



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[Elecraft] K3S Filter Shape Factor

[ab2cj]

All:

Where can one find filter shape factor specifications for Elecraft K3S 
filters?


Thanks, Tony

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Re: [Elecraft] K1 RF Board Prep for KAT1

[Don Wilhelm]

Tom,

As instructed in the KAT1 manual, refer to page 31 of your K1 manual and 
see if R39 is present.  If not, add it.  In either case, solder C76 
across R39 - one capacitor lead to each resistor lead.


Do the trace cut as shown in the diagram on page 8 - I can't describe it 
better than the pictures.  Install R4 as shown in the diagram.


You can make those RF Board changes at any time - except for removing 
the end of R36 - wait until you install the KAT1 for that part.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 3/20/2019 4:39 PM, Tom Johnson wrote:

Before I go cutting into the RF Board (Revision D, year 2000) and soldering
resistors and capacitors together, I want to clarify my understanding.

1)  Does "Solder capacitor RF-C76 across RF-R39.." mean that I leave RF-R39
soldered to the board and additionally solder the leads of RF-C76 onto the
leads of RF-R39 on each side?

2) I do CUT the trace the right of "DRV" and install RF-R4 between the
trace's contact points?

3) I'm at this point only through Part I of the RF Board assembly and
alignment - I have already built the 4 Band Filter Board (KFL1-4, Revision
B), and KAT1 Revision C.  I'm assuming I do NOT prep the RF Board and
install the KAT1 board until I've completed the assembly and alignments of
the RF and Filter Boards?


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Re: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

LSMFT: Low Space means Fine Teletype

On 3/20/2019 2:12 PM, Roy Koeppe wrote:


Or, "Simplicity is Ingenuity"

Roy   K6XK

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Re: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY

[Roy Koeppe]

"The more parts you pile into the rocket, the more likely it will end up 
pointy end down somewhere in the western desert."

--NASA proverb from Apollo


Or, "Simplicity is Ingenuity"

Roy   K6XK

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[Elecraft] K3 Utility Macro Editor

[Jim - WS6X]

G'day,
Can someone tell me where the K3 Utility Macro Editor saves its data files?
Or what file type is used? I'm using Win 10. The help files don't seem to
mention it, and an Internet search came up empty.
I find the saved configuration files, and the K3 Frequency / Memory Editor
saved data files, but am skunked on the saved macro files.
Thanks,
Jim - WS6X 

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[Elecraft] K1 RF Board Prep for KAT1

[Tom Johnson]

Before I go cutting into the RF Board (Revision D, year 2000) and soldering
resistors and capacitors together, I want to clarify my understanding.  

1)  Does "Solder capacitor RF-C76 across RF-R39.." mean that I leave RF-R39
soldered to the board and additionally solder the leads of RF-C76 onto the
leads of RF-R39 on each side?  

2) I do CUT the trace the right of "DRV" and install RF-R4 between the
trace's contact points?  

3) I'm at this point only through Part I of the RF Board assembly and
alignment - I have already built the 4 Band Filter Board (KFL1-4, Revision
B), and KAT1 Revision C.  I'm assuming I do NOT prep the RF Board and
install the KAT1 board until I've completed the assembly and alignments of
the RF and Filter Boards?

73




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[Elecraft] K3S/100 and P3 For Sale

[Tim Goldenburg]

Selling an Elecraft K3S/100 and P3 with current firmware.
It was purchased on 5/22/2018 built by me.  Serial number 11623.
I am selling it as I am now using a different radio.
MH4 Hand Mic
KAT3A ATU
KTCX03-1 (TCXO 0.5ppm)
KBPF3a (Gen coverage RX module)
K144XV (Int 2m module)
K144RFLK (reference lock for 2m)
KFL3A-400 (400 Hz filter)
KFL3A-2.8_2.7sw (2.8 kHz filter - swapped for the stock 2.7 kHz)
KFL3A-6K (6 kHz AM/ESSB filter)
KFL3B-FM (FM filter)
P3/P3TXMON-K (P3 panadapter)
DCHF-200 (P3 Coupler 200W Ma x)
Elecraft K3S & P3 by Fred Cady book
Original Manual
Originally $5504.35, but am willing to sell it for $4500.
if interested, please contact me.
Pics here -
https://forums.qrz.com/index.php?threads/elecraft-k3s-100-and-p3.649039/#post-4988029
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[Elecraft] FOR SALE: K3 with options

[John Grow]

Greetings fellow Elecraft users.

I have the following K3 for sale.

K3/100 - K3 100 Watt Transceiver - serial # 4236
+ KAT3 - K3 ATU Modular Kit
+ KXV3A - Receive & transverter interface
+ KBPF3 - Band Pass Filter for General Coverage receive
+ KFL3A-500 - 500 Hz 8 pole filter
+ K3 Power supply cable
Standard Manuals, K3 shipping box. 

K3-10F was upgraded to 100 Watts with ATU.

Non-smoker owner, no pets, never used outdoors. 
Reason for sale:  Too many radios. 
I’m open to reasonable offers. CONUS or Canada Only.
Please email me for photos & information. 

John Grow VE2EQL
jg...@sympatico.ca

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Re: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY

[Jim Brown]

I use Winwarbler for all non-contesting RTTY (chasing DX), and I rarely 
use Commander. I use VOX to key the radio for SSB and all digital modes 
(I work RTTY and several WSJT modes). Indeed, I've never used hardware PTT.


73, Jim K9YC

On 3/20/2019 5:49 AM, Richard Ferch wrote:

When you are using WinWarbler, all radio control functions are handled by
Commander.



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Re: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY

[Fred Jensen]

"The more parts you pile into the rocket, the more likely it will end up 
pointy end down somewhere in the western desert."

--NASA proverb from Apollo

73,
Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 3/19/2019 7:05 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
Well it's just meI don't run any software to run another 
software.  Thus no N1MM, no DX Lab, no Winwarbler, no Win4K2 and 
such.  If I want to work RTTY the I use MMTTY.  If I want to work the 
mode FT-8 or other digital modes,  then I run WSJT-X.   If I want to 
run PSK-31 or such, I use FLDIGI.   If I want to work CW, I have a 
Vibroplex on the desk and the keyer is in the radio. There is no other 
hardware to be configured.


I'm a firm believer that more software running means more issues to 
resolve.  I keep mine simple, one at a time.


Just simple old Bob with a system that works, day in and day out.

73

Bob, K4TAX


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Re: [Elecraft] Interfacing SunSDR2 pro to KPA500/KAT500

[Stephen Prior]

I have just realised that I asked this question before - sorry, thought it
was on another reflector!

73 Stephen G4SJP

On Wed, 20 Mar 2019 at 15:10, Stephen Prior  wrote:

> I would be interested to know if anyone has got their head around using
> the SunSDR's DB15 accessory connector to switch and provide band
> information to the KPA500?  I have tried but I've had no success!
>
> I know that I can use the RF sensing capability of the KPA500, as that's
> how I have it set up at the moment, but I am looking for a more elegant
> solution.
>
> Thanks and 73
>
> Stephen, G4SJP
>
> PS I have asked the same question on the Expert forum.
>
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Re: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY

[Barry]

I don't know why setting up RTTY using AFSK and a K3s is yielding the 
level of problems it appears to be. It should be just another digital 
mode. The only difference should be is to set the radio to AFSK vice 
DATA A; Of course, you could just use DATA A, but you do want to narrow 
down the receive bandwidth.


Layering the software as I do with N1MM + FLDIGI or WSJT-X with Ham 
Radio Deluxe does add additional complexity, So, I would suggest just 
using a simple one layer of software until  the familiarity for it is 
developed and a level of comfort is built.


I do like RTTY for contesting. FT8 is OK for DX, but when I get serious, 
less often these days, I use CW. My station is modest compared to many, 
just a K3s and some wire in the backyard; no amp, tower, rhombics, etc. 
I do have DXCC mixed, phone, CW, and am short 23 for digital and 21 on 
80 for 5BDXCC.


73,
Barry
K3NDM

-- Original Message --
From: "Peter Dougherty" 
To: "Barry" ; Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: 3/20/2019 1:53:27 AM
Subject: RE: Re[2]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY

I’ve been using WinWarbler for RTTY for almost 10 years now, and it 
definitely works pretty well with the rest of Dave’s suite of software. 
Or at least it did with the original MK and later the MK-II. I still 
had some doozy problems setting it up even then. I documented 
everything back then so if I experienced a crash I could rebuild pretty 
quickly. But this is a wholesale change in which dozens of settings are 
now different. Again, once this is all settled I’ll have screenshot of 
each setting page so this will (hopefully) be a one-off…provided I keep 
the K3!


RTTY is always the red-headed stepchild of radio setups for me, and the 
sooner it fades into oblivion as a digital mode the happier I’ll be. I 
have little love for FT8, but that’s where the DX is now!





- pjd



From: Barry 
Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2019 1:08 AM
To: Peter Dougherty ; Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re[2]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY



Peter,

For a simple uncomplicated set up, the software choice is whatever 
you are familiar with, but the GENERAL set up should be the same. I use 
FLDIGI for two reasons, I know it and it interfaces with N1MM for 
contesting. I doubt it works better or worse than most of the others. 
With software there are no interfaces needed if you are using a K3s 
making set up easier. Like I said earlier, it's just a matter of 
letting your software know what sound card you are using, the USB 
CODEC, and the com port of the radio. The rest is pretty much twisting 
the knobs on the radio to set levels. You should loose no sleep over 
this; it's make you tired and mistake prone. Only one thing I forgot to 
tell you and that is turn your VOX on so the tones turn your 
transmitter on automatically and off when you're finished sending.




I just looked up Winwarbler. It says it can be used for RTTY, but 
you need either a multimode modem or some additional software and then 
they must all play together. I really suggest not using Winwarbler if I 
am correct; it will add an additional level of complexity. Use FLDIGI. 
MixW, MultiPSK, or another complete S/W application. The setup should 
be more straight forward.




If you want, I can talk you through it via LL phone. It really 
shouldn't take more than about 30-45 minutes to make it all play. 
Contact me directly and I'll give you my phone number. But, I don't 
function before about noon EDT.




73,

Barry

K3NDM



-- Original Message --

From: "Peter Dougherty" 

To: "Barry" ; Elecraft@mailman.qth.net

Sent: 3/19/2019 9:56:10 PM

Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY



Before I start messing with FLDigi, I would really rather prefer to 
get it working with the native DX Lab Suite first, and why I mentioned 
it in my initial post. Adding more software that I don’t (and will 
never) understand is the very last thing I want to do unless there is 
no way around it.


When I used FSK with the MicroKeyer it was dead simple, RTTY filtering 
came up as a default in the radio (twin peak filtering) and it worked 
with almost no configuration. I would like to have something similar 
using AFSK and USB connectivity—specifically the twin-peak brick-wall 
filtering. Right now, just switching in to RTTY mode in WinWarbler 
just puts the radio into LSB mode and that’s it.


Like I said, I really need to get this working with WW if it’s 
compatible. I’ve had maybe 3 hours of sleep per night for the last 3 
nights playing with this radio, N1MM, and DX Lab Suite, and I’m almost 
no further ahead than I was 3 nights ago. All I have is CW via 
WinWarbler and full manual control. CW sending and /RTTY tone just 
won’t work for me so far. Everybody was saying last year that it isn’t 
that hard to do….yet here we are!




- pjd



From: Barry 
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2019 9:24 PM
To: Peter Dougherty ; Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY



Peter,

I'm not that

[Elecraft] Interfacing SunSDR2 pro to KPA500/KAT500

[Stephen Prior]

I would be interested to know if anyone has got their head around using the
SunSDR's DB15 accessory connector to switch and provide band information to
the KPA500?  I have tried but I've had no success!

I know that I can use the RF sensing capability of the KPA500, as that's
how I have it set up at the moment, but I am looking for a more elegant
solution.

Thanks and 73

Stephen, G4SJP

PS I have asked the same question on the Expert forum.
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Re: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY

[Richard Ferch]

First, in Data modes, do *not* set MAIN:MIC+LIN to ON. As Joe has
explained, you need to set MAIN:MIC+LIN to OFF and MAIN:MIC SEL to LINE.

When you are using WinWarbler, all radio control functions are handled by
Commander. Commander must be running, and must be interfaced with the
radio. The RTTY sub-mode selector is on the General tab of Coimmander's
Config window (upper right quadrant). If you don't see it, Commander is not
communicating with the radio, and you need to correct that first.

Unless you are using a hardware PTT method on a separate COM port from rig
control, PTT is also handled by Commander (that is what the Xcvr Ctrl App
setting in the WinWarbler configuration means). The PTT buttons on the main
Commander window need to be working; if they don't switch the radio into
and out of transmit, you need to fix that, otherwise WinWarbler will be
unable to control PTT via Commander.

73,
Rich VE3KI


On Wed, Mar 20, 2019 at 12:12 AM Peter Dougherty  wrote:

> Hi Rich/all,
>
> Well I managed to find the thing that was really messing me up overall, but
> I'm still having massive RTTY issues.
>
> What had been happening was no AFSK tones for RTTY were getting through,
> and
> no voice files for SSB. The key (as I think you mentioned on the N1MM
> reflector) was the MENU: MIC+LIN setting on the K3s. Once I set that to ON
> I
> got voice files. But there's literally nothing I can do to get out of LSB
> voice mode when WinWarbler is in RTTY mode.
>
> Right now, on the RTTY tab, in the Modulation and Transceiver Mode section
> I
> have AFSK with the LSB button ticked. I've tried both RTTY mode and DATA-L,
> which Joe suggested. As I switch WinWarbler between CW, SSB, and RTTY, when
> I get to RTTY the radio is placed into LSB (voice) mode, not DATA-A, which
> is the desired result. There is no PTT either, the radio just stays in LSB
> receive.There is no RTTY SUB MODE setting on the General tab. I guess Dave
> removed it after your wrote the wiki; however I changed the DATA-L to RTTY.
> No change.
>
> Since the Elecraft portion of this setup has been solved (Mic+LIN), the
> rest
> is related to DX Labs, so I'm going to take this last bit of setup to their
> groups.io forum to conserve bandwidth on this reflector.
>
>  - pjd
>
> -Original Message-
> From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net 
> On
> Behalf Of Richard Ferch
> Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2019 10:27 PM
> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY
>
> .
>
> 73,
> Rich VE3KI
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