Re: [Elecraft] Copying CW and Pitch

[Jim Brown]

On 3/13/2021 9:37 PM, Dave Cole wrote:
I had a hearing test many years ago, and asked to see the results. Turns 
out I had a null at some frequency I don't remember right now, but it 
was exactly where I had selected my sidetone to be...  My guess is 
because I heard less noise there...  Anyway--


I re-selected a new sidetone, lower in frequency, and on a small peak... 
  My CW speed for copy increased probably 10-15%.


One of the most common forms of hearing loss starts at the high 
frequencies and works its way down with age, but that's far from 
universal. When one or more notches develop at certain frequencies, it's 
often the result of noise exposure at work.


73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] Copying CW and Pitch

[Dave Cole]

Jim,
Here is an interesting story:

I had a hearing test many years ago, and asked to see the results. 
Turns out I had a null at some frequency I don't remember right now, but 
it was exactly where I had selected my sidetone to be...  My guess is 
because I heard less noise there...  Anyway--


I re-selected a new sidetone, lower in frequency, and on a small peak... 
 My CW speed for copy increased probably 10-15%.


Now whenever I get a hearing test, I ask for a copy, and put the 
sidetone where my highest peak is, within the range Elecraft allows for 
sidetone.


73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

On 3/13/21 3:44 PM, Jim Brown wrote:

On 3/13/2021 10:48 AM, Sverre Holm (LA3ZA) wrote:
A CW sidetone pitch of 400 Hz is consistent with what little research 
there

is on this. A paper from 1992 says that "/All subjects improved their
recognition as the frequency was lowered to 500 Hz, some even at 250 Hz.


As a retired designer of large sound systems, I had to learn a lot about 
acoustics and psychoacoustics (the science of how humans' ear/brain 
interprets what we hear). That science tells us that, like most of our 
senses, hearing is logarithmic both with respect to frequency and 
loudness. This means that our discrimination of one frequency as 
compared to another increases with decreasing frequency. That is, we are 
better able to separate signals from each other with RX pitch set to 
lower frequencies.


73, Jim K9YC
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[Elecraft] Thank you Elecraft

[Dave Cole]

I wanted to drop a note to the Elecraft folks to thank them for all the 
good work they did getting ready for the "event".  It was good to meet a 
few folks I had not, and good to get a few answers I needed.  The K4 
presentation was good, and glad you will have it on YouTube later...


So...  Thanks for your work in setting this up...

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[Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement

[kevinr]

Good Evening,

   The week began with wet weather.  Perfect for an net search to 
follow a hint by K0DTJ.  Brian mentioned the Merlin phone app, which 
helps you identify birds.  https://merlin.allaboutbirds.org Part of it 
is sound files.  Deeper digging got me to 
https://www.macaulaylibrary.org/guide-to-bird-sounds/ which had exactly 
the sound files I wanted.  $20 for over 4000 sound files from 900 
species of birds in Canada, the US, Mexico, and parts of South America.  
It is interesting to notice the regional dialects of a species.  The 
local Pileated Woodpecker population may not understand the call from 
their Carolina cousins.  This summer I will put a few speakers out this 
window and see who I can attract.  Last night the Saw Whet owls woke me 
up.  Maybe I should play their tune during the daytime :)


   One small sunspot is showing, while the auroral oval is stronger 
than last week.  Flux is at 77 sfu.  I expect more noise with deeper 
QSB.  However, you never can tell until you try.  I took a hike to check 
the growth on the thinned trees.  Along the way I tightened the guy 
lines to my antennas.  The winter winds had pulled them upward on the 
shrubs they were holding.  When the weather turns sunny again I will 
trim the central tree of dead branches.  That will let me raise the 
antenna about twenty feet. Then I can test how it works when it is not 
behind a wall of soil.  Luckily that is on the western side; off to the 
east the way is open well into Washington.  On a clear day that is where 
Mt. St. Helens would appear.


Notice the time change.  Same sun angles as last week just one hour 
later on our normal clock.



Please join us on (or near):

14050 kHz at 2200z Sunday (3 PM PDT Sunday)
  7047 kHz at z Monday (5 PM PDT Sunday)

   73,
  Kevin. KD5ONS


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And they classified me zed
'Cause of over population
They told me that I would soon be dead

But I slipped out of the force field
And hid beneath the monorail
But the automatic blood hounds
Lord, they're soon hot along my trail

Now if I had been a scholar
With computer working hard
Then my molecular structure
Would not be on the grader's card

So, I know that they will get me
Put my index in the brain
Then, the atoms of my body
Will be disposed of, Lordy, down the drain

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[Elecraft] New release of Win4K3Suite is available

[Tom]

Hello,
There is a new version of Win4K3Suite available.  This release has a fix for
cases where the KAT500 is used without the KPA500. 

Win4K3Suite is a full featured control program for the K3/S, KX3 and KX2.
It has a built in Panadapter that works with LPPAN and a sound card, as well
as the SDRPlay RSP's. It supports the KAT500, KPA500/1500 and the KXPA100 on
most of the above radios.  
A unique feature is that is has 6 built in Virtual Radios, each of which
works just like an Elecraft radio.  This allows sharing of a single COM port
with up to 6 applications.  It also has a built in HRDLogbook server and the
EiBi Shortwave database.
There are many more features like full access to menu items, a cluster
display using your ClubLog credentials and many more.
You see more information here:
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=win4k3suite
and download a fully functional 30 day trial at va2fsq.com

73 Tom
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Re: [Elecraft] Copying CW and Pitch

[Jim Brown]

On 3/13/2021 4:06 PM, Dave Fugleberg wrote:

Jim, that’s an interesting bit of information. Is that the case even for
people who have excellent hearing at higher frequencies? In other words,
would people with excellent hearing at higher frequencies also benefit from
using a lower frequency side tone?


Yes.

73, Jim
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Re: [Elecraft] QSO Today Virtual Ham Expo this weekend

[David Christ]

Thanks Rick.  I got it to work.  Your info provided the clues but there were 
some items that were hidden at first.  Too difficult to describe.

David K0LUM

> On Mar 13, 2021, at 6:41 PM, Richard Tavan  wrote:
> 
> Thanks, Dave. The system is in even worse shape than it was last time. I 
> finally got in by
> 
> 1. following the instructions to re-generate a ticket - you have to be
>   careful to enter the original order number, a five character string
>   you got when they acknowledged your order, in the third field.
> 2. When it re-generates the "ticket" you click on it and get to a page
>   with a huge logo, instructions on how to repeat the ticket
>   re-generation process (don't do it), and some menu items at the top
>   to go to exhibits, auditorium, etc.
> 3. DON'T LEFT-CLICK the menu items - that puts you in a loop back to
>   re-generate the ticket. Instead, RIGHT-CLICK the link which pulls
>   down some choices and select Open in a new pane. That works, at
>   least for me.
> 
> Some of the speakers are very fuzzy, others are clear. Most of the audio is 
> OK. The various windows all invoke different sorts of user interfaces for the 
> different styles of viewing and interaction. It's all similar to Zoom but not 
> quite the same and there are many flavors. YMMV.
> 
> GL,
> 
> /Rick N6XI
> 
> 
> On 3/13/2021 11:01 AM, David Wilcox wrote:
>> I could never get in.  They never sent me the “ticket” they promised to send 
>> on the 12 th.  Tried to sign in with the id letters (not numbers) they sent 
>> on my PayPal receipt but no luck.
>> 
>> Sent a question the the help desk but no response.
>> 
>> Dave K8WPE
>> 
>> David J. Wilcox’s iPad
>> 
>>> On Mar 13, 2021, at 11:33 AM, David Herring  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I don’t know if this will ticket help or is even applicable to you, but in 
>>> my case I was able to regenerate my ticket once I remembered that I paid 
>>> with PayPal and that uses a different email than I typically use for ham 
>>> radio correspondence. Supplying the billing email resulted in a ticket that 
>>> got me right in.
>>> 
>>> 73,
>>> David - N5DCH
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Mar 13, 2021, at 9:21 AM, Rick Tavan  wrote:
 
 Several of us have been unable to login to HamExpo, either with our
 original or regenerated tickets. Any idea how to get in?
 
 /Rick
 
> On Sat, Mar 13, 2021 at 7:38 AM Dave Van Wallaghen  > wrote:
> 
> For any of you attending the QSO Today Virtual Ham Expo this weekend
> https://www.qsotodayhamexpo.com/
> I was scheduled to present a couple of sessions regarding Elecraft's
> Classic Line of products with a discussion on buying used rigs and
> getting a start in building our kits. There have been a couple of
> technical issues, and so at this point, they still have not been
> scheduled as yet.
> 
> But, I will be working in my shop most of the day, and we do have a
> Classic Line Table in the Elecraft booth if you would like to stop by
> and chat. I will login to the table with my camera and mic muted, but if
> you see our logo with my initials DV at the table, just make some noise
> so I know you are there and we can chat about anything you would like
> related to Elecraft's Classic Line of products.
> 
> Hope to talk with you soon...
> 
> 73,
> Dave, W8FGU
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Re: [Elecraft] QSO Today Virtual Ham Expo this weekend

[Kimo Chun]

I cannot vouch if I have this all correct. A local ham contacted one of the
vendors who provided this link. It is the sign-in page for AirMeet.com.

https://www.airmeet.com/event/da5bfe00-5f01-11eb-9af0-f5e009e37ce1

The QSO Today Expo lets you visit vendors but I could find no way to get to
any sessions, only the advertised listings for them.

The QSO Today Expo site allows you to create your own e-ticket based on the
receipt ID you received for your payment. It's weird. When you hit Submit
it seems like nothing happens but the top entry field should change to
E-ticket (in blue and is a link). Click on it.

You enter that 5 digit code when you sign up at the Airmeet site and create
your online meeting ID/avatar, whereupon the emailed Airmeet confirmation
gives you the 6 digit verification code. With that you can get into the
online presentations. However, I can't vouch for the times posted. The LIVE
ones are at the top. Pending (who knows really when maybe they were earlier
-as scheduled but never happened so they weren't technically completed) are
listed in the middle and those Completed are moved to the bottom of the
list of events.

I just monitored/re-scrolled through LIVE ones, so-marked, each hour and
joined them if they were of interest. This included Eric's (added?)
afternoon session. He mentioned tomorrow's. (check early as it will become
Daylight Savings in Pacific Time by then).

I give up keeping track and will look towards viewing others later on
playback. Only if you have specific questions for Eric or others is it
critical to attend. Some ended early and some went long. It's up to the
moderator if meeting attendees stop asking questions...

I hope I got this procedure correct. Apologies if it isn't. I'm not going
through that again... maybe you can see Eric's presentation tomorrow if you
get this in time. Someone will correct me I'm sure.

Good luck,
Kimo Chun KH7U
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Re: [Elecraft] Copying CW and Pitch

[Drew AF2Z]

My default sidetone pitch is 440 Hz, which is plenty sufficient (for me) 
to discriminate between two very close signals signals, if they are not 
too unequal in strength.


I am more interested in choosing the optimum pitch for particular filter 
bandwidths and QRN conditions rather than for discriminating between 
multiple stations. I suppose the wpm speed of the CW signal might also 
come into play in optimum pitch selection. This is probably more 
complicated than just "lower is better".


I'm looking forward to "live" adjustment of signal pitch on the K4. 
Seems to me that adjusting the pitch of the signal would be the natural 
final tweak needed to enhance it.


73,
Drew
AF2Z



On 03/13/21 18:44, Jim Brown wrote:

On 3/13/2021 10:48 AM, Sverre Holm (LA3ZA) wrote:
A CW sidetone pitch of 400 Hz is consistent with what little research 
there

is on this. A paper from 1992 says that "/All subjects improved their
recognition as the frequency was lowered to 500 Hz, some even at 250 Hz.


As a retired designer of large sound systems, I had to learn a lot about 
acoustics and psychoacoustics (the science of how humans' ear/brain 
interprets what we hear). That science tells us that, like most of our 
senses, hearing is logarithmic both with respect to frequency and 
loudness. This means that our discrimination of one frequency as 
compared to another increases with decreasing frequency. That is, we are 
better able to separate signals from each other with RX pitch set to 
lower frequencies.


73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] PSK31 with a KX2

[K8TE]

Times change.  ClubLog publishes a weekly summary of uploaded DX contacts at: 
https://clublog.org/dxreport.html.  For this past week, PSK was 0.11% of all
those contacts.  This is a representative sample (not scientific) of
activity by those who use ClubLog.

FT8/4 made up about 61%, SSB & CW just short of 38%.  This gives us a pretty
good idea of where to find the activity.  The summary includes other modes
along with other information.  You may not like it, but it is a close
approximation of reality.

RTTY fans (0.69% in this summary) can't believe there are so few operating
RTTY, except during contest weekends.  If one picks a mode with such small
numbers, one can't expect to find much activity.

I use multiple radios, one of which is dedicated to FTn.  This allows me to
make CW/SSB contacts while the other radio is making FTn contacts.  FTn has
filled in a lot of band-slots and even States on 12m toward 9BWAS for me,
with little skill and minimal effort.  If one pays attention to FTn details,
one can make even more contacts there.  I get tired of clicking.  I don't
like to move my hands off the home keys.

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Re: [Elecraft] Copying CW and Pitch

[Mike Cizek W0VTT]

As a bass clef guy my entire life, I have my sidetone set at 300 Hz.  Sometimes 
wish it would go lower.


73,
Mike Cizek W0VTT
Retired Bass Trombonist

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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Copying CW and Pitch

Jim, that’s an interesting bit of information. Is that the case even for people 
who have excellent hearing at higher frequencies? In other words, would people 
with excellent hearing at higher frequencies also benefit from using a lower 
frequency side tone?


On Sat, Mar 13, 2021 at 5:45 PM Jim Brown  wrote:

> On 3/13/2021 10:48 AM, Sverre Holm (LA3ZA) wrote:
> > A CW sidetone pitch of 400 Hz is consistent with what little 
> > research
> there
> > is on this. A paper from 1992 says that "/All subjects improved 
> > their recognition as the frequency was lowered to 500 Hz, some even at 250 
> > Hz.
>
> As a retired designer of large sound systems, I had to learn a lot 
> about acoustics and psychoacoustics (the science of how humans' 
> ear/brain interprets what we hear). That science tells us that, like 
> most of our senses, hearing is logarithmic both with respect to 
> frequency and loudness. This means that our discrimination of one 
> frequency as compared to another increases with decreasing frequency. 
> That is, we are better able to separate signals from each other with 
> RX pitch set to lower frequencies.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] QSO Today Virtual Ham Expo this weekend

[Richard Tavan]

Thanks, Dave. The system is in even worse shape than it was last time. I 
finally got in by


1. following the instructions to re-generate a ticket - you have to be
   careful to enter the original order number, a five character string
   you got when they acknowledged your order, in the third field.
2. When it re-generates the "ticket" you click on it and get to a page
   with a huge logo, instructions on how to repeat the ticket
   re-generation process (don't do it), and some menu items at the top
   to go to exhibits, auditorium, etc.
3. DON'T LEFT-CLICK the menu items - that puts you in a loop back to
   re-generate the ticket. Instead, RIGHT-CLICK the link which pulls
   down some choices and select Open in a new pane. That works, at
   least for me.

Some of the speakers are very fuzzy, others are clear. Most of the audio 
is OK. The various windows all invoke different sorts of user interfaces 
for the different styles of viewing and interaction. It's all similar to 
Zoom but not quite the same and there are many flavors. YMMV.


GL,

/Rick N6XI


On 3/13/2021 11:01 AM, David Wilcox wrote:

I could never get in.  They never sent me the “ticket” they promised to send on 
the 12 th.  Tried to sign in with the id letters (not numbers) they sent on my 
PayPal receipt but no luck.

Sent a question the the help desk but no response.

Dave K8WPE

David J. Wilcox’s iPad


On Mar 13, 2021, at 11:33 AM, David Herring  wrote:

I don’t know if this will ticket help or is even applicable to you, but in my 
case I was able to regenerate my ticket once I remembered that I paid with 
PayPal and that uses a different email than I typically use for ham radio 
correspondence. Supplying the billing email resulted in a ticket that got me 
right in.

73,
David - N5DCH




On Mar 13, 2021, at 9:21 AM, Rick Tavan  wrote:

Several of us have been unable to login to HamExpo, either with our
original or regenerated tickets. Any idea how to get in?

/Rick


On Sat, Mar 13, 2021 at 7:38 AM Dave Van Wallaghen mailto:d...@w8fgu.com>> wrote:

For any of you attending the QSO Today Virtual Ham Expo this weekend
https://www.qsotodayhamexpo.com/
I was scheduled to present a couple of sessions regarding Elecraft's
Classic Line of products with a discussion on buying used rigs and
getting a start in building our kits. There have been a couple of
technical issues, and so at this point, they still have not been
scheduled as yet.

But, I will be working in my shop most of the day, and we do have a
Classic Line Table in the Elecraft booth if you would like to stop by
and chat. I will login to the table with my camera and mic muted, but if
you see our logo with my initials DV at the table, just make some noise
so I know you are there and we can chat about anything you would like
related to Elecraft's Classic Line of products.

Hope to talk with you soon...

73,
Dave, W8FGU

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Re: [Elecraft] Copying CW and Pitch

[Dave Fugleberg]

Jim, that’s an interesting bit of information. Is that the case even for
people who have excellent hearing at higher frequencies? In other words,
would people with excellent hearing at higher frequencies also benefit from
using a lower frequency side tone?


On Sat, Mar 13, 2021 at 5:45 PM Jim Brown  wrote:

> On 3/13/2021 10:48 AM, Sverre Holm (LA3ZA) wrote:
> > A CW sidetone pitch of 400 Hz is consistent with what little research
> there
> > is on this. A paper from 1992 says that "/All subjects improved their
> > recognition as the frequency was lowered to 500 Hz, some even at 250 Hz.
>
> As a retired designer of large sound systems, I had to learn a lot about
> acoustics and psychoacoustics (the science of how humans' ear/brain
> interprets what we hear). That science tells us that, like most of our
> senses, hearing is logarithmic both with respect to frequency and
> loudness. This means that our discrimination of one frequency as
> compared to another increases with decreasing frequency. That is, we are
> better able to separate signals from each other with RX pitch set to
> lower frequencies.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
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[Elecraft] Copying CW and Pitch

[Jim Brown]

On 3/13/2021 10:48 AM, Sverre Holm (LA3ZA) wrote:

A CW sidetone pitch of 400 Hz is consistent with what little research there
is on this. A paper from 1992 says that "/All subjects improved their
recognition as the frequency was lowered to 500 Hz, some even at 250 Hz.


As a retired designer of large sound systems, I had to learn a lot about 
acoustics and psychoacoustics (the science of how humans' ear/brain 
interprets what we hear). That science tells us that, like most of our 
senses, hearing is logarithmic both with respect to frequency and 
loudness. This means that our discrimination of one frequency as 
compared to another increases with decreasing frequency. That is, we are 
better able to separate signals from each other with RX pitch set to 
lower frequencies.


73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] QSO Today Virtual Ham Expo this weekend

[Dave Fugleberg]

Hopefully they'll sort it out and come up with a way for latecomers (like
me!) to register to get the replays.  I had not planned to attend this
weekend for various reasons so did not do the 'early bird' registration.
This morning I checked the speaker list and saw a few sessions that sounded
interesting. The website indicated that the sessions will be available
until mid-April, so I thought I'd register 'at the door' so to speak, and
watch them over the next couple of weeks.
However, the registration page has not been updated for 'at the door'
sales. Then I saw all these emails about problems with tickets and such.
So, I think I'll wait and see if they get it sorted out.
 I attended the inaugural virtual expo last year, and it was pretty well
done, so I suspect this is just teething problems with the new ticketing
system.
Hope the ticketing issue doesn't leave Wayne and Eric all alone in their
booth waiting for customers that can't get past the gate!
73 de W0ZF

On Sat, Mar 13, 2021 at 1:03 PM David Wilcox via Elecraft <
elecraft@mailman.qth.net> wrote:

> I could never get in.  They never sent me the “ticket” they promised to
> send on the 12 th.  Tried to sign in with the id letters (not numbers) they
> sent on my PayPal receipt but no luck.
>
> Sent a question the the help desk but no response.
>
> Dave K8WPE
>
> David J. Wilcox’s iPad
>
> > On Mar 13, 2021, at 11:33 AM, David Herring 
> wrote:
> >
> > I don’t know if this will ticket help or is even applicable to you, but
> in my case I was able to regenerate my ticket once I remembered that I paid
> with PayPal and that uses a different email than I typically use for ham
> radio correspondence. Supplying the billing email resulted in a ticket that
> got me right in.
> >
> > 73,
> > David - N5DCH
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Mar 13, 2021, at 9:21 AM, Rick Tavan  wrote:
> >>
> >> Several of us have been unable to login to HamExpo, either with our
> >> original or regenerated tickets. Any idea how to get in?
> >>
> >> /Rick
> >>
> >>> On Sat, Mar 13, 2021 at 7:38 AM Dave Van Wallaghen  > wrote:
> >>>
> >>> For any of you attending the QSO Today Virtual Ham Expo this weekend
> >>> https://www.qsotodayhamexpo.com/
> >>> I was scheduled to present a couple of sessions regarding Elecraft's
> >>> Classic Line of products with a discussion on buying used rigs and
> >>> getting a start in building our kits. There have been a couple of
> >>> technical issues, and so at this point, they still have not been
> >>> scheduled as yet.
> >>>
> >>> But, I will be working in my shop most of the day, and we do have a
> >>> Classic Line Table in the Elecraft booth if you would like to stop by
> >>> and chat. I will login to the table with my camera and mic muted, but
> if
> >>> you see our logo with my initials DV at the table, just make some noise
> >>> so I know you are there and we can chat about anything you would like
> >>> related to Elecraft's Classic Line of products.
> >>>
> >>> Hope to talk with you soon...
> >>>
> >>> 73,
> >>> Dave, W8FGU
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[Elecraft] Eric presentation live

[David Herring]

FYI - Eric just came up on airmeet  - supposed to be at 1 but just now starting.

73,
David - N5DCH



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[Elecraft] Additional K4 Q&A Sessions

[Grant Youngman]

Looks like the added K4 Q&A session on the virtual hamfest that Eric mentioned 
earlier for 4:00pm EDT today didn’t make.

There’s another one on the calendar for 9;00 am PDT tomorrow.

Grant NQ5T
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Re: [Elecraft] March/April NCJ

[Dr. William J. Schmidt]

I had a similar thing happen after purchasing an antenna switch of well-known 
brand.  I didn't try the switch before it went to the top of the tower but I 
quickly found that one position had a bad relay.  I was able to use another 
position to get the thing working.  I posted on eHam and rated it below average 
in quality because I expected a switch... something so simple... to work out of 
the box.  I quickly received an email from the manufacturer berating me, 
suggesting it was my fault for the switch failing for being just another dumb 
ham (yes, for a simple 12V switch), and that my review would "ruin his 
business".  This went on for some time, but I did not bend to such rude tactics 
in favor of the truth.  I also commented that the kick-back diodes were, in my 
opinion, at tower end where they are not easily serviceable after static 
discharge (this was not the problem causing the box to fail).

Evidently this has become common-place.


Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ 

email:  b...@wjschmidt.com


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To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] March/April NCJ

I bought a European made tri-band Yagi antenna from a friend who had never 
installed it. (I won't mention the manufacturer)  It was still in the unopened 
box after sitting in my friend's garage for some time.  The pieces of tubing 
were shipped inside each other (graduated metric sizes have a lot of clearance 
between sizes) and when I extracted them all I found two pieces for the same 
element were very corroded.  I used my household lye/vinegar method to clean 
them up and assembled the antenna. It worked fine and I decided to write an 
eHam review.

Based on the QC issue I rated it a four stars. I almost immediately got an 
email from the company in which I was accused of improperly storing the antenna 
and all sorts of other things.  It was also claimed that anything less that 
five stars would ruin their business, etc.  I sent photos of the tubing and 
heard back that this was impossible, it's never happened before and so on and 
so forth.  I got so much grief about this that I wrote the reviews people at 
eHam and asked them to pull my review, which they did.

Wes  N7WS

On 3/13/2021 10:37 AM, David Gilbert wrote:
>
> I agree that a preponderance of 5 ratings are from people 
> congratulating themselves on their choice, and the text often goes 
> like "this is a fine rig" or "met all my expectations."
>
> And out of roughly 2,200 eHam ratings I once profiled just for grins, 
> almost all of the ratings of 1 star or 2 stars were for service or support 
> issues ...
> which tells you nothing about the rig itself.
>
> I also agree about the need to look for trends in the comments to find 
> any worthwhile insight ... which is why the NCJ article that used only 
> the summary average ratings is borderline useless to me.
>
> 73,
> Dave  AB7E

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Re: [Elecraft] March/April NCJ

[Fred Jensen]

I was warned that Yelp has that same problem. 1) I've been told eHam is 
the same, I've never posted a review as a result.  2)  About all the 
Yelp reviews seem to be good for is identifying that a business is closed.


73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 3/13/2021 11:58 AM, Grant Youngman wrote:

At least they just grumbled about your review.

I once posted to a reflector about (what was well known) buggy control firmware in a 
(non-Elecraft) radio.  (The “radio" part of the radio was fine, but sometimes 
you never knew what pressing a front panel button would break next).  I almost 
immediately received a cease and desist letter via emai from the developer of said 
firmware, threatening a lawsuit based on potential loss of livelihood and reputation 
if I didn’t make a retraction.  I made a snark-laden public retraction on the 
reflector, which I’d guess was lawsuit worthy in itself.  But I guess that was 
enough.  I never heard from this person again.

I eventually just got rid of the radios and moved on …. life is too short.

Grant NQ5T



On Mar 13, 2021, at 1:52 PM, Wes  wrote:

I bought a European made tri-band Yagi antenna from a friend who had never 
installed it. (I won't mention the manufacturer)  It was still in the unopened 
box after sitting in my friend's garage for some time.  The pieces of tubing 
were shipped inside each other (graduated metric sizes have a lot of clearance 
between sizes) and when I extracted them all I found two pieces for the same 
element were very corroded.  I used my household lye/vinegar method to clean 
them up and assembled the antenna. It worked fine and I decided to write an 
eHam review.

Based on the QC issue I rated it a four stars. I almost immediately got an 
email from the company in which I was accused of improperly storing the antenna 
and all sorts of other things.  It was also claimed that anything less that 
five stars would ruin their business, etc.  I sent photos of the tubing and 
heard back that this was impossible, it's never happened before and so on and 
so forth.  I got so much grief about this that I wrote the reviews people at 
eHam and asked them to pull my review, which they did.

Wes  N7WS

On 3/13/2021 10:37 AM, David Gilbert wrote:

I agree that a preponderance of 5 ratings are from people congratulating 
themselves on their choice, and the text often goes like
"this is a fine rig" or "met all my expectations."

And out of roughly 2,200 eHam ratings I once profiled just for grins, almost 
all of the ratings of 1 star or 2 stars were for service or support issues ... 
which tells you nothing about the rig itself.

I also agree about the need to look for trends in the comments to find any 
worthwhile insight ... which is why the NCJ article that used only the summary 
average ratings is borderline useless to me.

73,
Dave  AB7E




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Re: [Elecraft] March/April NCJ

[Grant Youngman]

At least they just grumbled about your review.

I once posted to a reflector about (what was well known) buggy control firmware 
in a (non-Elecraft) radio.  (The “radio" part of the radio was fine, but 
sometimes you never knew what pressing a front panel button would break next).  
I almost immediately received a cease and desist letter via emai from the 
developer of said firmware, threatening a lawsuit based on potential loss of 
livelihood and reputation if I didn’t make a retraction.  I made a snark-laden 
public retraction on the reflector, which I’d guess was lawsuit worthy in 
itself.  But I guess that was enough.  I never heard from this person again.

I eventually just got rid of the radios and moved on …. life is too short.

Grant NQ5T


> On Mar 13, 2021, at 1:52 PM, Wes  wrote:
> 
> I bought a European made tri-band Yagi antenna from a friend who had never 
> installed it. (I won't mention the manufacturer)  It was still in the 
> unopened box after sitting in my friend's garage for some time.  The pieces 
> of tubing were shipped inside each other (graduated metric sizes have a lot 
> of clearance between sizes) and when I extracted them all I found two pieces 
> for the same element were very corroded.  I used my household lye/vinegar 
> method to clean them up and assembled the antenna. It worked fine and I 
> decided to write an eHam review.
> 
> Based on the QC issue I rated it a four stars. I almost immediately got an 
> email from the company in which I was accused of improperly storing the 
> antenna and all sorts of other things.  It was also claimed that anything 
> less that five stars would ruin their business, etc.  I sent photos of the 
> tubing and heard back that this was impossible, it's never happened before 
> and so on and so forth.  I got so much grief about this that I wrote the 
> reviews people at eHam and asked them to pull my review, which they did.
> 
> Wes  N7WS
> 
> On 3/13/2021 10:37 AM, David Gilbert wrote:
>> 
>> I agree that a preponderance of 5 ratings are from people congratulating 
>> themselves on their choice, and the text often goes like
>> "this is a fine rig" or "met all my expectations."
>> 
>> And out of roughly 2,200 eHam ratings I once profiled just for grins, almost 
>> all of the ratings of 1 star or 2 stars were for service or support issues 
>> ... which tells you nothing about the rig itself.
>> 
>> I also agree about the need to look for trends in the comments to find any 
>> worthwhile insight ... which is why the NCJ article that used only the 
>> summary average ratings is borderline useless to me.
>> 
>> 73,
>> Dave  AB7E 
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[Elecraft] K3Mini Interfacing

[w8nn]

Can one interface over an ethernet cable?  I want to operate from an
upstairs office to a basement shack.  Any info appreciated! Thanks.

Bill W8NN

 

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Re: [Elecraft] QSO Today Virtual Ham Expo this weekend

[David Wilcox via Elecraft]

I could never get in.  They never sent me the “ticket” they promised to send on 
the 12 th.  Tried to sign in with the id letters (not numbers) they sent on my 
PayPal receipt but no luck.

Sent a question the the help desk but no response.

Dave K8WPE

David J. Wilcox’s iPad

> On Mar 13, 2021, at 11:33 AM, David Herring  wrote:
> 
> I don’t know if this will ticket help or is even applicable to you, but in 
> my case I was able to regenerate my ticket once I remembered that I paid with 
> PayPal and that uses a different email than I typically use for ham radio 
> correspondence. Supplying the billing email resulted in a ticket that got me 
> right in.
> 
> 73,
> David - N5DCH
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mar 13, 2021, at 9:21 AM, Rick Tavan  wrote:
>> 
>> Several of us have been unable to login to HamExpo, either with our
>> original or regenerated tickets. Any idea how to get in?
>> 
>> /Rick
>> 
>>> On Sat, Mar 13, 2021 at 7:38 AM Dave Van Wallaghen >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> For any of you attending the QSO Today Virtual Ham Expo this weekend
>>> https://www.qsotodayhamexpo.com/
>>> I was scheduled to present a couple of sessions regarding Elecraft's
>>> Classic Line of products with a discussion on buying used rigs and
>>> getting a start in building our kits. There have been a couple of
>>> technical issues, and so at this point, they still have not been
>>> scheduled as yet.
>>> 
>>> But, I will be working in my shop most of the day, and we do have a
>>> Classic Line Table in the Elecraft booth if you would like to stop by
>>> and chat. I will login to the table with my camera and mic muted, but if
>>> you see our logo with my initials DV at the table, just make some noise
>>> so I know you are there and we can chat about anything you would like
>>> related to Elecraft's Classic Line of products.
>>> 
>>> Hope to talk with you soon...
>>> 
>>> 73,
>>> Dave, W8FGU
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Re: [Elecraft] Interesting QSO

[Wes]

I use 420 Hz +/- these days when DXing.  With 40 year younger ears I used to use 
500-600 Hz on MS and EME.


On 3/13/2021 11:50 AM, Sverre Holm (LA3ZA) wrote:

Wayne.

A CW sidetone pitch of 400 Hz is consistent with what little research there
is on this. A paper from 1992 stated that "All subjects improved their
recognition as the frequency was lowered to 500 Hz, some even at 250 Hz."

See
https://la3za.blogspot.com/2013/10/studies-on-morse-code-recognition.html



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Re: [Elecraft] March/April NCJ

[Wes]

I bought a European made tri-band Yagi antenna from a friend who had never 
installed it. (I won't mention the manufacturer)  It was still in the unopened 
box after sitting in my friend's garage for some time.  The pieces of tubing 
were shipped inside each other (graduated metric sizes have a lot of clearance 
between sizes) and when I extracted them all I found two pieces for the same 
element were very corroded.  I used my household lye/vinegar method to clean 
them up and assembled the antenna. It worked fine and I decided to write an eHam 
review.


Based on the QC issue I rated it a four stars. I almost immediately got an email 
from the company in which I was accused of improperly storing the antenna and 
all sorts of other things.  It was also claimed that anything less that five 
stars would ruin their business, etc.  I sent photos of the tubing and heard 
back that this was impossible, it's never happened before and so on and so 
forth.  I got so much grief about this that I wrote the reviews people at eHam 
and asked them to pull my review, which they did.


Wes  N7WS

On 3/13/2021 10:37 AM, David Gilbert wrote:


I agree that a preponderance of 5 ratings are from people congratulating 
themselves on their choice, and the text often goes like

"this is a fine rig" or "met all my expectations."

And out of roughly 2,200 eHam ratings I once profiled just for grins, almost 
all of the ratings of 1 star or 2 stars were for service or support issues ... 
which tells you nothing about the rig itself.


I also agree about the need to look for trends in the comments to find any 
worthwhile insight ... which is why the NCJ article that used only the summary 
average ratings is borderline useless to me.


73,
Dave  AB7E 


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Re: [Elecraft] Interesting QSO

[Sverre Holm (LA3ZA)]

Wayne.

A CW sidetone pitch of 400 Hz is consistent with what little research there
is on this. A paper from 1992 stated that "All subjects improved their
recognition as the frequency was lowered to 500 Hz, some even at 250 Hz."

See
https://la3za.blogspot.com/2013/10/studies-on-morse-code-recognition.html



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Re: [Elecraft] Interesting QSO

[Sverre Holm (LA3ZA)]

Wayne.

A CW sidetone pitch of 400 Hz is consistent with what little research there
is on this. A paper from 1992 says that "/All subjects improved their
recognition as the frequency was lowered to 500 Hz, some even at 250 Hz./" 

See
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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Lounge

[Dean L]

I signed up / PayPal'd and no ticket... Must be monkeyed up
Ugh
73
Dean K2WW

On Sat, Mar 13, 2021, 12:51 David Herring  wrote:

> Hi Bob,
>
> It’s a virtual computer based meeting room at Elecraft’s virtual booth at
> the QSO Today Virtual Ham Expo.
>
> You can sign up here: Click here to register for the Expo <
> https://app.getresponse.com/click.html?x=a62b&lc=SEeKx9&mc=It&s=AgGu3V&u=Fa22&z=ESZewXs&;
> >
>
> Based on my experience with it this morning and the chatter on Elecraft’s
> reflectors, it’s not working so well.  :-(
>
> 73,
> David - N5DCH
>
>
>
> > On Mar 13, 2021, at 10:18 AM, Robert A. Hughes  wrote:
> >
> > What is the "Elecraft Lounge”?? Can you provide time, link and how to
> access??
> >
> > I ran a Google search with no results.
> >
> > Thanks,
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Re: [Elecraft] QSO Today Virtual Ham Expo this weekend

[Grant Youngman]

Obviously the Virtual Hamfest is having some issues.

I was always able to get to everything except the lobbies and booths.  Got an 
email last night, instructing an email to supp...@qsotodayhamexpo.com if there 
was an issue.  Did that.  Received a reply quickly that it was fixed.  But it 
wasn’t.  Reset my ticket as indicated in this morning’s email.  That didn’t 
help either.  Sent a second email to the support address this morning telling 
them it still wasn’t working.  A few minutes later it had actually been fixed.

Apparently some bottom feeder decided to have fun, and, instead of just playing 
music or putting up a sweeper over the AM Window, QRM’d the hamfest site with a 
DDoS attack, which complicated things even further.

Anyway … it was a good presentation this morning, especially with Eric 
indicating they hoped to have Group #1 out the door by the end of May, +/-.  
That was encouraging news, especially if you were, like I was, a couple of 
months late to the party.  I may still live long enough to get my K4D :-)

There is another K4 Q&A session with Eric added to the schedule for 4:00pm EDT 
this afternoon.

Grant NQ5T


> On Mar 13, 2021, at 1:14 PM, David Herring  wrote:
> 
> I was just able to get in the Elecraft Lounge. I spoke with Michelle from 
> Elecraft Sales briefly. She says that to get signed up for the drawing all 
> you have to do is visit the booth. Just go there - nothing else to do. Upon 
> your arrival there, the system will give them your contact information 
> automagically and you will thus be entered.
> 
> 73,
> David - N5DCH
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mar 13, 2021, at 11:05 AM, David Christ  wrote:
>> 
>> Same here.  
>> 
>> A promising idea may have just died.  My $10 would have been better spent on 
>> beer.
>> 
>> David K0LUM
>> 
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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Lounge

[Robert A. Hughes]

Thanks to all who replied. 


Bob Hughes
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> On Mar 13, 2021, at 10:48 AM, David Herring  wrote:
> 
> Hi Bob,
> 
> It’s a virtual computer based meeting room at Elecraft’s virtual booth at the 
> QSO Today Virtual Ham Expo.
> 
> You can sign up here: Click here to register for the Expo 
> 
> 
> Based on my experience with it this morning and the chatter on Elecraft’s 
> reflectors, it’s not working so well.  :-(
> 
> 73,
> David - N5DCH
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mar 13, 2021, at 10:18 AM, Robert A. Hughes > > wrote:
>> 
>> What is the "Elecraft Lounge”?? Can you provide time, link and how to 
>> access??
>> 
>> I ran a Google search with no results.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Bob Hughes
>> b...@fctaz.com 
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Re: [Elecraft] QSO Today Virtual Ham Expo this weekend

[David Herring]

I was just able to get in the Elecraft Lounge. I spoke with Michelle from 
Elecraft Sales briefly. She says that to get signed up for the drawing all you 
have to do is visit the booth. Just go there - nothing else to do. Upon your 
arrival there, the system will give them your contact information automagically 
and you will thus be entered.

73,
David - N5DCH



> On Mar 13, 2021, at 11:05 AM, David Christ  wrote:
> 
> Same here.  
> 
> A promising idea may have just died.  My $10 would have been better spent on 
> beer.
> 
> David K0LUM
> 
> 
>> On Mar 13, 2021, at 11:59 AM, Wes > > wrote:
>> 
>> I managed to jump through enough hoops to get in but I don't know why I 
>> bothered.  What a disaster. Supposedly there are drawing prizes but if 
>> there's a way to sign up for them, it's eluded me.
>> 
>> I just hope to view the presentations later.
>> 
>> Wes  N7WS
>> 
>> 
>> On 3/13/2021 9:21 AM, Rick Tavan wrote:
>>> Several of us have been unable to login to HamExpo, either with our
>>> original or regenerated tickets. Any idea how to get in?
>>> 
>>> /Rick
>>> 
>>> On Sat, Mar 13, 2021 at 7:38 AM Dave Van Wallaghen  wrote:
>>> 
 For any of you attending the QSO Today Virtual Ham Expo this weekend
 https://www.qsotodayhamexpo.com/
 I was scheduled to present a couple of sessions regarding Elecraft's
 Classic Line of products with a discussion on buying used rigs and
 getting a start in building our kits. There have been a couple of
 technical issues, and so at this point, they still have not been
 scheduled as yet.
 
 But, I will be working in my shop most of the day, and we do have a
 Classic Line Table in the Elecraft booth if you would like to stop by
 and chat. I will login to the table with my camera and mic muted, but if
 you see our logo with my initials DV at the table, just make some noise
 so I know you are there and we can chat about anything you would like
 related to Elecraft's Classic Line of products.
 
 Hope to talk with you soon...
 
 73,
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Re: [Elecraft] QSO Today Virtual Ham Expo this weekend

[David Christ]

Same here.  

A promising idea may have just died.  My $10 would have been better spent on 
beer.

David K0LUM


> On Mar 13, 2021, at 11:59 AM, Wes  wrote:
> 
> I managed to jump through enough hoops to get in but I don't know why I 
> bothered.  What a disaster. Supposedly there are drawing prizes but if 
> there's a way to sign up for them, it's eluded me.
> 
> I just hope to view the presentations later.
> 
> Wes  N7WS
> 
> 
> On 3/13/2021 9:21 AM, Rick Tavan wrote:
>> Several of us have been unable to login to HamExpo, either with our
>> original or regenerated tickets. Any idea how to get in?
>> 
>> /Rick
>> 
>> On Sat, Mar 13, 2021 at 7:38 AM Dave Van Wallaghen  wrote:
>> 
>>> For any of you attending the QSO Today Virtual Ham Expo this weekend
>>> https://www.qsotodayhamexpo.com/
>>> I was scheduled to present a couple of sessions regarding Elecraft's
>>> Classic Line of products with a discussion on buying used rigs and
>>> getting a start in building our kits. There have been a couple of
>>> technical issues, and so at this point, they still have not been
>>> scheduled as yet.
>>> 
>>> But, I will be working in my shop most of the day, and we do have a
>>> Classic Line Table in the Elecraft booth if you would like to stop by
>>> and chat. I will login to the table with my camera and mic muted, but if
>>> you see our logo with my initials DV at the table, just make some noise
>>> so I know you are there and we can chat about anything you would like
>>> related to Elecraft's Classic Line of products.
>>> 
>>> Hope to talk with you soon...
>>> 
>>> 73,
>>> Dave, W8FGU
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Re: [Elecraft] QSO Today Virtual Ham Expo this weekend

[Wes]

I managed to jump through enough hoops to get in but I don't know why I 
bothered.  What a disaster. Supposedly there are drawing prizes but if there's a 
way to sign up for them, it's eluded me.


I just hope to view the presentations later.

Wes  N7WS


On 3/13/2021 9:21 AM, Rick Tavan wrote:

Several of us have been unable to login to HamExpo, either with our
original or regenerated tickets. Any idea how to get in?

/Rick

On Sat, Mar 13, 2021 at 7:38 AM Dave Van Wallaghen  wrote:


For any of you attending the QSO Today Virtual Ham Expo this weekend
https://www.qsotodayhamexpo.com/
I was scheduled to present a couple of sessions regarding Elecraft's
Classic Line of products with a discussion on buying used rigs and
getting a start in building our kits. There have been a couple of
technical issues, and so at this point, they still have not been
scheduled as yet.

But, I will be working in my shop most of the day, and we do have a
Classic Line Table in the Elecraft booth if you would like to stop by
and chat. I will login to the table with my camera and mic muted, but if
you see our logo with my initials DV at the table, just make some noise
so I know you are there and we can chat about anything you would like
related to Elecraft's Classic Line of products.

Hope to talk with you soon...

73,
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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Lounge

[David Herring]

Hi Bob,

It’s a virtual computer based meeting room at Elecraft’s virtual booth at the 
QSO Today Virtual Ham Expo.

You can sign up here: Click here to register for the Expo 


Based on my experience with it this morning and the chatter on Elecraft’s 
reflectors, it’s not working so well.  :-(

73,
David - N5DCH



> On Mar 13, 2021, at 10:18 AM, Robert A. Hughes  wrote:
> 
> What is the "Elecraft Lounge”?? Can you provide time, link and how to access??
> 
> I ran a Google search with no results.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Bob Hughes
> b...@fctaz.com
> W7SNR
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Re: [Elecraft] March/April NCJ

[Charlie T]

Same here.what a waste of electrons (-), or holes (+)  whichever your 
preference.
I was hoping for something useful, but it's obvious, Rob's list is the only one 
that has anything of consequence.

73, Charlie k3ICH


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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] March/April NCJ


I agree that a preponderance of 5 ratings are from people congratulating 
themselves on their choice, and the text often goes like "this is a fine rig" 
or "met all my expectations."

And out of roughly 2,200 eHam ratings I once profiled just for grins, almost 
all of the ratings of 1 star or 2 stars were for service or support issues ... 
which tells you nothing about the rig itself.

I also agree about the need to look for trends in the comments to find any 
worthwhile insight ... which is why the NCJ article that used only the summary 
average ratings is borderline useless to me.

73,
Dave  AB7E




On 3/13/2021 8:56 AM, Jim Rhodes wrote:
> When looking at eham reviews I really only read the ones that give a 
> rating of 4 or less. The total number of reviews only tell you how 
> many units are out there. The 5 ratings seem to mostly be people 
> patting themselves on the back about what a great product they bought and 
> give no useful information.
> I look at the ones by people who are not so satisfied, there is 
> usually more useful information there. Sure there are the folks that 
> give a 4 rating because "it only comes in black", but if you look for 
> trends you can often find trends.
>
> On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 5:40 PM Nate Bargmann  wrote:
>
>> My assessment of eham reviews over the years is that there are some 
>> hams who can break an anvil with a rubber mallet!
>>
>> 73, Nate, N0NB
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Re: [Elecraft] March/April NCJ

[David Gilbert]

I agree that a preponderance of 5 ratings are from people congratulating 
themselves on their choice, and the text often goes like

"this is a fine rig" or "met all my expectations."

And out of roughly 2,200 eHam ratings I once profiled just for grins, 
almost all of the ratings of 1 star or 2 stars were for service or 
support issues ... which tells you nothing about the rig itself.


I also agree about the need to look for trends in the comments to find 
any worthwhile insight ... which is why the NCJ article that used only 
the summary average ratings is borderline useless to me.


73,
Dave  AB7E




On 3/13/2021 8:56 AM, Jim Rhodes wrote:

When looking at eham reviews I really only read the ones that give a rating
of 4 or less. The total number of reviews only tell you how many units are
out there. The 5 ratings seem to mostly be people patting themselves on the
back about what a great product they bought and give no useful information.
I look at the ones by people who are not so satisfied, there is usually
more useful information there. Sure there are the folks that give a 4
rating because "it only comes in black", but if you look for trends you can
often find trends.

On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 5:40 PM Nate Bargmann  wrote:


My assessment of eham reviews over the years is that there are some hams
who can break an anvil with a rubber mallet!

73, Nate, N0NB

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[Elecraft] Elecraft Lounge

[Robert A. Hughes]

What is the "Elecraft Lounge”?? Can you provide time, link and how to access??

I ran a Google search with no results.

Thanks,

Bob Hughes
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Re: [Elecraft] QSO Today Virtual Ham Expo this weekend

[David Herring]

I don’t know if this will help or is even applicable to you, but in my case I 
was able to regenerate my ticket once I remembered that I paid with PayPal and 
that uses a different email than I typically use for ham radio correspondence. 
Supplying the billing email resulted in a ticket that got me right in.

73,
David - N5DCH



> On Mar 13, 2021, at 9:21 AM, Rick Tavan  wrote:
> 
> Several of us have been unable to login to HamExpo, either with our
> original or regenerated tickets. Any idea how to get in?
> 
> /Rick
> 
> On Sat, Mar 13, 2021 at 7:38 AM Dave Van Wallaghen  > wrote:
> 
>> For any of you attending the QSO Today Virtual Ham Expo this weekend
>> https://www.qsotodayhamexpo.com/
>> I was scheduled to present a couple of sessions regarding Elecraft's
>> Classic Line of products with a discussion on buying used rigs and
>> getting a start in building our kits. There have been a couple of
>> technical issues, and so at this point, they still have not been
>> scheduled as yet.
>> 
>> But, I will be working in my shop most of the day, and we do have a
>> Classic Line Table in the Elecraft booth if you would like to stop by
>> and chat. I will login to the table with my camera and mic muted, but if
>> you see our logo with my initials DV at the table, just make some noise
>> so I know you are there and we can chat about anything you would like
>> related to Elecraft's Classic Line of products.
>> 
>> Hope to talk with you soon...
>> 
>> 73,
>> Dave, W8FGU
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[Elecraft] N6KR now in K4 Technical room at Expo

[Wayne Burdick]

Getting a bit of a late start today, but then again, it's Saturday :)

Hope to see some of you in the Elecraft lounge today.

73,
Wayne
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Re: [Elecraft] QSO Today Virtual Ham Expo this weekend

[Rick Tavan]

Several of us have been unable to login to HamExpo, either with our
original or regenerated tickets. Any idea how to get in?

/Rick

On Sat, Mar 13, 2021 at 7:38 AM Dave Van Wallaghen  wrote:

> For any of you attending the QSO Today Virtual Ham Expo this weekend
> https://www.qsotodayhamexpo.com/
> I was scheduled to present a couple of sessions regarding Elecraft's
> Classic Line of products with a discussion on buying used rigs and
> getting a start in building our kits. There have been a couple of
> technical issues, and so at this point, they still have not been
> scheduled as yet.
>
> But, I will be working in my shop most of the day, and we do have a
> Classic Line Table in the Elecraft booth if you would like to stop by
> and chat. I will login to the table with my camera and mic muted, but if
> you see our logo with my initials DV at the table, just make some noise
> so I know you are there and we can chat about anything you would like
> related to Elecraft's Classic Line of products.
>
> Hope to talk with you soon...
>
> 73,
> Dave, W8FGU
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Re: [Elecraft] March/April NCJ

[Jim Rhodes]

When looking at eham reviews I really only read the ones that give a rating
of 4 or less. The total number of reviews only tell you how many units are
out there. The 5 ratings seem to mostly be people patting themselves on the
back about what a great product they bought and give no useful information.
I look at the ones by people who are not so satisfied, there is usually
more useful information there. Sure there are the folks that give a 4
rating because "it only comes in black", but if you look for trends you can
often find trends.

On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 5:40 PM Nate Bargmann  wrote:

> My assessment of eham reviews over the years is that there are some hams
> who can break an anvil with a rubber mallet!
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[Elecraft] QSO Today Virtual Ham Expo this weekend

[Dave Van Wallaghen]

For any of you attending the QSO Today Virtual Ham Expo this weekend 
https://www.qsotodayhamexpo.com/
I was scheduled to present a couple of sessions regarding Elecraft's 
Classic Line of products with a discussion on buying used rigs and 
getting a start in building our kits. There have been a couple of 
technical issues, and so at this point, they still have not been 
scheduled as yet.


But, I will be working in my shop most of the day, and we do have a 
Classic Line Table in the Elecraft booth if you would like to stop by 
and chat. I will login to the table with my camera and mic muted, but if 
you see our logo with my initials DV at the table, just make some noise 
so I know you are there and we can chat about anything you would like 
related to Elecraft's Classic Line of products.


Hope to talk with you soon...

73,
Dave, W8FGU

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