Re: [Elecraft] 6M CW

2010-07-06 Thread Rich - K1HTV
Dave,
   The 6 Meter band can be VERY selective as to who is favored with the
propagation required to work DX. You must know to what area the DX is working.
Keep and eye on the 'www.vhfdx.net' website and its DX-Sherlock application to
see what regions are working each other.  If others in your region are working
DX and you are not hearing it, keep listening. Don't be surprised if suddenly
you begin to hear DX. Don't expect to just turn on your K3 and hear the DX that
others are working, although that does happen at times during a widespread
opening.

So, what does it take to work DX on 50 MHz? Well, I presently am using a
barefoot K3 and a yagi on my back porch, only 20 feet high. From my VA QTH
(FM18ap), in the direction of SE thru SW the yagi looks into the house. In all
other directions, including Europe and the West Coast the yagi look into 40 to
50 ft high trees. You would thing that with this antennas system I'd have a
tough time working DX.  Not so! Making QSOs is quite easy...when the band opens
up. Since July 1, over 270 QSOs have been entered into the K1HTV log book,
almost half of them on CW. 

Since the first of June, 44 DX countries have been worked, 27 of them since July
1st. Countries worked on 6 Meters with the low yagi and K3 include 9A, 9H, 9Y,
C5, C6, CN, CO, CT, CT3,CU, E7, EA, EA6, EA8, EI, F, FG, FM, FS, G, GD, GJ, HA,
HI, I, J3, J6, J8, KP2, KP4, LA, OX, P4, PJ2, S5, TF, V4, VE, VP2M, VP5, VP9, W,
XE and YN.

You will find that being up in FN42 you should be able to work much more Europe
DX than down here in VA, and probably the same amount of DX to the south. Just
be patient. If you are at you K3 when the band opens up there you'll soon be
entering DX QSOs into the N1IX log.

Have fun with your K3 on the magic Band!

73,
Rich - K1HTV
http:www.k1htv.us

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Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 09:53:44 -0400
From: "David leDuc" 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 6M CW
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I know this is not a 6 meter discussion group but I do have a K3.
I am hearing a lot of people on 6 meters working DX which I cannot hear,
also calling CQDX. I am wondering what kind of antennas you are using? I am
using a 3 element SteppIr and am in  FN42

Dave N1IX

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Re: [Elecraft] 6M CW

2010-07-06 Thread Wes Stewart
During the 2009 ARRL Field Day I was working from home on emergency power.  I 
had cobbled together a 6-meter preamp for the K3 and decided to take a listen.  
I don't have a 6-meter antenna so I was using my paralleled wire 40-80 meter 
inverted V with almost 200' of RG214.

Two of the local clubs do FD from the cool pines on a 9,000+ feet ASL mountain 
NE of the Tucson valley.  One of them was hogging 50.125 on SSB and needless to 
say was quite strong and quite broad. I worked a few of the louder Es stations 
that were coming through and then tuned down below the loudmouth and heard a 
weak CQ on CW.  It was JL8GFB.  So I called and worked him.

An hour and ten minutes later, I worked JA7WSZ.  So the band was open to JA for 
over an hour and a lot of people missed it because they were on SSB and not 
tuning.

Wes  N7WS

--- On Tue, 7/6/10, Jim Brown  wrote:

6M truly is a band that allows you to have a lot of fun with a modest 
antenna when it's open. That's why it's called the magic band. 

73, Jim K9YC



  
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Re: [Elecraft] 6M CW

2010-07-06 Thread Jim Brown
On Tue, 6 Jul 2010 09:53:44 -0400, David leDuc wrote:

> I am wondering what kind of antennas you are using? I am
>using a 3 element SteppIr and am in  FN42

About a year ago, I put a 3-el SteppIR with 6M element on a tower. 
Before that I worked a lot of 6M DX with my K3 by loading my 40M 
dipole. I made at least a half dozen QSOs from my QTH near San 
Francisco to the east coast, and worked several KH6. The SteppIR, of 
course, works better. :) 

6M truly is a band that allows you to have a lot of fun with a modest 
antenna when it's open. That's why it's called the magic band. 

73, Jim K9YC



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Re: [Elecraft] 6M CW

2010-07-06 Thread Ken Roberson
Dave,

Antenna here is M2 5 ele 18 ft boom @ 50 ft, feedline is
LMR-600 ( 1 DB loss per 100 FT ) maybe less at 50mhz.
We had a few nice opening here in Oklahoma and I have
worked 25 DXCC and abt 13 are new .
Most were on CW running about 400 Watts.
The K3 and the preamp make a nice 6m rig.
73 Good dxing 
Ken K5DNL

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--- On Tue, 7/6/10, David leDuc  wrote:

> From: David leDuc 
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 6M CW
> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Date: Tuesday, July 6, 2010, 8:53 AM
> I know this is not a 6 meter
> discussion group but I do have a K3.
> I am hearing a lot of people on 6 meters working DX which I
> cannot hear,
> also calling CQDX. I am wondering what kind of antennas you
> are using? I am
> using a 3 element SteppIr and am in  FN42
> 
> Dave N1IX
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] 6M CW

2010-07-06 Thread David leDuc
I know this is not a 6 meter discussion group but I do have a K3.
I am hearing a lot of people on 6 meters working DX which I cannot hear,
also calling CQDX. I am wondering what kind of antennas you are using? I am
using a 3 element SteppIr and am in  FN42

Dave N1IX

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Re: [Elecraft] 6M CW

2010-07-06 Thread N2TK, Tony
Hi Sandy,
Sometime it is a courtesy when someone drops their call once when you send
"test" or "V's" to let you know that they hear you in case you are wondering
if you are transmitting or getting out. Sometimes they drop their call once
and also send their state so that you know about the propagation. Sometimes
they drop their call once in case you want a QSO or are just testing.  

Not sure I follow what is the problem with someone sending their call once?
If someone is purposely calling you and signals are good, why repeat the
call more than once? 

I enjoy both rag-chewing and contesting. Sometimes the band conditions don't
allow rag-chewing. At the moment I am trying to work FP on 6M. With the QSB
I am getting only snippets of his call. I would be happy just to get a
signal report exchange.

73,
N2TK, Tony



-Original Message-
From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Sandy
Sent: Monday, July 05, 2010 5:14 PM
To: WILLIS COOKE; Jim Brown; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 6M CW

This phenomenon is not restricted to 6 meters!  The same thing happens on HF

as well: people looking for "club" numbers, grid squares, counties,etc., 
etc.  The whole "contest" mentality has corrupted all the "old" and "polite"

methods of establishing a QSO when there are no contests at all!  Also the 
"Elmers" of today, aided and abetted by the ARRL, have all but completely 
"eliminated" the normal calling protocols of yesteryear.  It isn't at all 
"unusual" to tune up and send a few "V's"  and have someone just drop their 
callsign on you just ONCE!  As I now an "old timer" in age and amateur 
radio, I "wonder" when this happens.  Is this chap calling me?  Is he just 
testing?  Even if you send "QRZ? de W5TVW K" you may just get a callsign 
sent ONCE!  Also people sending: "DE W4ABC" instead of calling "CQ". 
"Newer" QRPers answering a CQ call just sending their callsign just ONCE! 
There isn't that "all important" OPERATING section still published in the 
"Handbook"!  Guess the folks at ARRL thought they could make a few extra 
bucks by publishing a special book dealing with that subject that obviously 
everyone ISN"T buying!
I enjoy contests on CW doing QRP and usually these are limited to a small 
segment of the CW sub-band, and they don't seem to be on every weekend.  6 
meters used to be a  really "fun" band back in the "AM" phone days, but I 
didn't figure it would be degraded to nothing but "hello, goodbye" type 
contacts.

Sorry for this, guess I sound like a grouchy "old fart" but where has all 
the politeness gone?

73,

Sandy W5TVW

- Original Message - 
From: "WILLIS COOKE" 
To: "Jim Brown" ; 
Sent: Monday, July 05, 2010 2:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 6M CW


I don't feel that way at all. A contact in which only grids are exchanged 
leaves me with little satisfaction at all. I at least like to exchange names

and QTH. I get enough of the quicky QSOs with contests. I don't need more on

six meters or digital contacts. I know I am out of step with the avant 
guarde, but I don't enjoy six meters much because of these quick exchanges.
Willis 'Cookie' Cooke
K5EWJ





From: Jim Brown 
To: "elecraft@mailman.qth.net" 
Sent: Mon, July 5, 2010 10:41:55 AM
Subject: [Elecraft] 6M CW

On Mon, 5 Jul 2010 08:29:08 -0700 (PDT), Ken McGuire wrote:

>I was frustrated at how slow the chats were on SSB (FM was even worse) -
>it seemed like they were wasting a perfectly good band opening ragchewing

Yep. Same here. Often, an opening on any given path may be there only long
enough to exchange the grid and report. It's quite frustrating to wait to
call a station that was S9, then S7, then S5, then S3, then fumes, while
the time is filled with innanity.

>When I turned down to the CW portion of the band, it almost sounded like
>a CW contest weekend.

Yes. I've gotten to the point that I spend most of my 6M efforts on CW,
only tuning up to the SSB portion of the band when nothing is happening on
CW. And thanks in part to the proliferation of K3s, there is a lot more CW
activity than there was only 5 years ago.

73, Jim K9YC


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Re: [Elecraft] 6M CW

2010-07-06 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
>Even if you send "QRZ? de W5TVW K" you may just get a callsign
>sent ONCE!

This is standard contesting procedure.  Sending your call more than
once in clear conditions could be wasting time for those who copy CW
well.  And in a pile up sending your call the second time could be
over the top of the DX and interfering with the DX sending only once
the call of the station he actually copied.  This tends to make the
case that sending once is more polite if folks are waiting. Crisp one
by one by one by one, etc, clears pileups quicker if everyone sends
once to good operators in good conditions.

While you may have your point, reversing the austere frugality of a
single call reply habit when the distant station has no way of knowing
your state of mine, may simply be out of reach as a social goal.  Time
marches on and customs change.  And I can only imagine the number of
hams who are NOT looking to an ARRL publication to direct ham
etiquette in day-to-day communications, however positive or negative
one may feel about the ARRL.

What's happening on 6m is really very interesting.  All the more so
because my already paid for K3 has 6m on it that isn't a joke.  And
because I decided to run 1 1/4 inch hardline out to and up the tower,
which I can switch between the big tribander and 6 and 2.

For long time VHF afficionados, this infusion of new activity from
previously HF confined hams has to be a lot of fun.

73, Guy.
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Re: [Elecraft] 6M CW

2010-07-06 Thread John Ragle
 When I started ham radio, there were just two modes in use: CW and 
AM phone. RTTY certainly existed commercially, but I can not recall 
anyone mentioning that mode in those long-ago times. Moreover, 
transceivers didn't exist...one had a transmitter, a receiver, and an 
antenna change-over relay. QSK didn't exist. The "bug" was around, and 
some operators had a marvelous "banana-boat" swing. Few operators had 
rotatable yagis. The licensing structure demanded at least 13 wpm 
proficiency.

 Nowadays things are very different. [An attempt to survey the hobby 
is given in: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amateur_radio.] This list 
focuses on a particular kind of hardware...a self-contained, 10 to 100 
watt transceiver with full qsk on cw, as well as an astonishing range of 
other capabilities. The personal computer has appeared on the scene, 
making many new digital modes accessible. CW and WSJT have become the 
prime weak signal modes, with QSK CW providing very fast, 
highly-efficient, turn-around type QSOs. A single dit or two during a CQ 
establishes a link. On HF, PSK or RTTY provide very leisurely media for 
chatting -- one's attention can wander a bit, perhaps even to sipping 
coffee (tea for the Brits). When conditions are good enough, SSB works 
well for casual talk or for hello-goodbye exchanges.

 All this obtains from rigs like the K3 or a few others, together 
with the PC. Virtually unlimited frequency mobility, band coverage, 
stability, full break-in, digital modes, and so forth are available. 
There are still lids and careless operators. People still rag-chew on 
the calling frequencies. Recently I waited patiently for 20 minutes 
hoping a pair of W7 stations in western Washington on 6 meters would 
take a break in their rag-chew, while they faded slowly in to S9 
strength and slowly out to the noise level here in FN32. ...but, by and 
large, operating techniques have changed to fit the available media. I 
think this is quite appropriate, and if someone wants to do a 
smash-and-grab QSO, I am content. When conditions are changing rapidly, 
this seems entirely reasonable. I hold against a philosophy that says 
"be reasonable, do it MY way!"

John Ragle-- W1ZI
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Re: [Elecraft] 6M CW

2010-07-06 Thread GD0TEP
This thread has been quite interesting

I respect the station that can sit and rag chew on CW, I've tried it on one
of the HF bands, and found it very demanding on the brain.

On 6m... If the band was open with more than one hop of SpE, I'll be chasing
new grid squares, or DXCC countries. I do it on single hop SpE as well, but
with more than one hop available, some real DX might also be available..

I think a lot of 'DXers' on 6m would be upset to hear a W7 on the band and
not be able to have a quick QSO... I sure would be...

That doesn't mean people can't be polite... I've heard and worked what I
consider to be good DX (more than one hop SpE) and the DX station insisted
on names as well as report... And, as he had a pile up, that's what he got
with every QSO... now that's not unfair, it's just what the 'DX' wanted.

In the large RSGB/IARU contest, even with the band going 'ding dong' I
always try to pass over GM or GA on each QSO... does this slow the rate
down...? maybe has it damaged to score? I don't think so, and we've won
the contest 10 times in the last 13 years...

Yesterdays DX from here was C56E, I've a short video here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrCvY4OjZJ4

At the end of the day, it's a hobby... have fun, do what you enjoy... but
remember the rest of us out there... :-)

73,
Andy
http://gd0tep.com


-Original Message-
From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Brett Howard
Sent: 06 July 2010 06:12
To: Sandy
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 6M CW

Heck I guess I'll stop doing that...  I've just kinda learned from listening
to the bands.  I'm finally getting my speed up fast enough that actually
carrying on a QSO is possible.  At 8WPM your RST, Name, QTH, RIG and ANT is
a 30 to 40 minute conversation.  ;)  However at 13WPM I've been able to
actually have conversations with people about the K3 find out that they've
recently retired and what they used to do and well all sorts of fun stuff...
(I'm referring to a 40 minute conversation that I had on 40 last night...)  

Then heck I ran into a guy the other day who was only about 20 minutes bike
ride from here.  We ended up having a 1.6 hour or so QSO.  Both of our
brains were going to mush by the end as we were both working hard for it but
hey its fun!

I'm by no means an old salt at the age of 29 but I do try to be polite and
do find it fun to get into the longer QSO's via CW.  I often find that SSB
bores me for casual operating but I do find SSB interesting for contests.

But anyway just wanted to let you know that your post has hit home with
someone and I'll start sending my call a few times when answering a CQ...  I
usually figure that I want to try and get in there quick before their auto
repeat kicks in  Then if they need a fill we can always take care of
that later.  Guess I've been being rude all this time and had no idea.

Sorry...

~Brett (N7MG)

On Mon, 2010-07-05 at 16:13 -0500, Sandy wrote:
> This phenomenon is not restricted to 6 meters!  The same thing happens 
> on HF as well: people looking for "club" numbers, grid squares, 
> counties,etc., etc.  The whole "contest" mentality has corrupted all the
"old" and "polite"
> methods of establishing a QSO when there are no contests at all!  Also 
> the "Elmers" of today, aided and abetted by the ARRL, have all but 
> completely "eliminated" the normal calling protocols of yesteryear.  
> It isn't at all "unusual" to tune up and send a few "V's"  and have 
> someone just drop their callsign on you just ONCE!  As I now an "old 
> timer" in age and amateur radio, I "wonder" when this happens.  Is 
> this chap calling me?  Is he just testing?  Even if you send "QRZ? de 
> W5TVW K" you may just get a callsign sent ONCE!  Also people sending: "DE
W4ABC" instead of calling "CQ".
> "Newer" QRPers answering a CQ call just sending their callsign just ONCE! 
> There isn't that "all important" OPERATING section still published in 
> the "Handbook"!  Guess the folks at ARRL thought they could make a few 
> extra bucks by publishing a special book dealing with that subject 
> that obviously everyone ISN"T buying!
> I enjoy contests on CW doing QRP and usually these are limited to a 
> small segment of the CW sub-band, and they don't seem to be on every 
> weekend.  6 meters used to be a  really "fun" band back in the "AM" 
> phone days, but I didn't figure it would be degraded to nothing but 
> "hello, goodbye" type contacts.
> 
> Sorry for this, guess I sound like a grouchy "old fa

Re: [Elecraft] 6M CW

2010-07-05 Thread Brett Howard
Heck I guess I'll stop doing that...  I've just kinda learned from
listening to the bands.  I'm finally getting my speed up fast enough
that actually carrying on a QSO is possible.  At 8WPM your RST, Name,
QTH, RIG and ANT is a 30 to 40 minute conversation.  ;)  However at
13WPM I've been able to actually have conversations with people about
the K3 find out that they've recently retired and what they used to do
and well all sorts of fun stuff... (I'm referring to a 40 minute
conversation that I had on 40 last night...)  

Then heck I ran into a guy the other day who was only about 20 minutes
bike ride from here.  We ended up having a 1.6 hour or so QSO.  Both of
our brains were going to mush by the end as we were both working hard
for it but hey its fun!

I'm by no means an old salt at the age of 29 but I do try to be polite
and do find it fun to get into the longer QSO's via CW.  I often find
that SSB bores me for casual operating but I do find SSB interesting for
contests.

But anyway just wanted to let you know that your post has hit home with
someone and I'll start sending my call a few times when answering a
CQ...  I usually figure that I want to try and get in there quick before
their auto repeat kicks in  Then if they need a fill we can always
take care of that later.  Guess I've been being rude all this time and
had no idea.

Sorry...

~Brett (N7MG)

On Mon, 2010-07-05 at 16:13 -0500, Sandy wrote:
> This phenomenon is not restricted to 6 meters!  The same thing happens on HF 
> as well: people looking for "club" numbers, grid squares, counties,etc., 
> etc.  The whole "contest" mentality has corrupted all the "old" and "polite" 
> methods of establishing a QSO when there are no contests at all!  Also the 
> "Elmers" of today, aided and abetted by the ARRL, have all but completely 
> "eliminated" the normal calling protocols of yesteryear.  It isn't at all 
> "unusual" to tune up and send a few "V's"  and have someone just drop their 
> callsign on you just ONCE!  As I now an "old timer" in age and amateur 
> radio, I "wonder" when this happens.  Is this chap calling me?  Is he just 
> testing?  Even if you send "QRZ? de W5TVW K" you may just get a callsign 
> sent ONCE!  Also people sending: "DE W4ABC" instead of calling "CQ". 
> "Newer" QRPers answering a CQ call just sending their callsign just ONCE! 
> There isn't that "all important" OPERATING section still published in the 
> "Handbook"!  Guess the folks at ARRL thought they could make a few extra 
> bucks by publishing a special book dealing with that subject that obviously 
> everyone ISN"T buying!
> I enjoy contests on CW doing QRP and usually these are limited to a small 
> segment of the CW sub-band, and they don't seem to be on every weekend.  6 
> meters used to be a  really "fun" band back in the "AM" phone days, but I 
> didn't figure it would be degraded to nothing but "hello, goodbye" type 
> contacts.
> 
> Sorry for this, guess I sound like a grouchy "old fart" but where has all 
> the politeness gone?
> 
> 73,
> 
> Sandy W5TVW
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "WILLIS COOKE" 
> To: "Jim Brown" ; 
> Sent: Monday, July 05, 2010 2:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 6M CW
> 
> 
> I don't feel that way at all. A contact in which only grids are exchanged 
> leaves me with little satisfaction at all. I at least like to exchange names 
> and QTH. I get enough of the quicky QSOs with contests. I don't need more on 
> six meters or digital contacts. I know I am out of step with the avant 
> guarde, but I don't enjoy six meters much because of these quick exchanges.
> Willis 'Cookie' Cooke
> K5EWJ
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: Jim Brown 
> To: "elecraft@mailman.qth.net" 
> Sent: Mon, July 5, 2010 10:41:55 AM
> Subject: [Elecraft] 6M CW
> 
> On Mon, 5 Jul 2010 08:29:08 -0700 (PDT), Ken McGuire wrote:
> 
> >I was frustrated at how slow the chats were on SSB (FM was even worse) -
> >it seemed like they were wasting a perfectly good band opening ragchewing
> 
> Yep. Same here. Often, an opening on any given path may be there only long
> enough to exchange the grid and report. It's quite frustrating to wait to
> call a station that was S9, then S7, then S5, then S3, then fumes, while
> the time is filled with innanity.
> 
> >When I turned down to the CW portion of the band, it almost sounded like
> >a CW contest weekend.
> 
> Yes. I've gotten to the point that

Re: [Elecraft] 6M CW

2010-07-05 Thread Edward R Cole
Comparing 6m to 17m is not very fair.  My impression of 17m is its an 
extension of 20m in nature and use.

Some regard 6m is our lowest VHF band; others as the highest HF 
band.  IMO it is neither.  I find line-of-sight propagation quite 
inferior to 2m and even 70cm.  As a band with ionospheric effects 
they are so rare that it hardly qualifies as a propagation mode (Of 
course you would have to withstand 355 days of no propagation to the 
ten or less that we get up here in Alaska to appreciate my comment).

So ... when the band opens, "everyone" wants to work DX, and that is 
"me".  So I get a back-to-back string of QSO's from 20-30 stations in 
CA.  I worked CA on the first contact so after the band closes, I 
have worked one state.  Or 35 JA stations call; same result one 
country worked.  Would I enjoy exchanging a few more items other than 
call, name, RST and grid?  Not going to happen because I am DX.

Rag chews on 6m are with fellow Alaskans over a 30-mile radius when 
the band is closed.

So six meters is - short and fast!  If you are looking for a rag chew 
go down in freq to HF or up to 2m.  If you want 24-hour DX, don't 
expect it on 6m.  6m is days of boredom interrupted by minutes 
chaos.  It is what it is.  And that is why we love it - and hate it.

Oh, well I usually don't have to wait for a station to call me - so 
that is something.


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[Elecraft] 6m CW freq

2010-07-05 Thread r miles
In the last 2 big DX openings to Europe I found the Italians like 50070 to 
50085 along with the more Eastern Europeans. A lot of Western Eu will use CW 
between 50115 & 50100. Sometimes you do fight the beacons between 50070 & 
50080. That's what the 8 pole  200hz filter is for in the K3. Often DX will 
switch between SSB & CW when in the DX window 50100-50125. 
Might be all the RFI we hear about in Europe. 
Some of the BIG GUN US DXers often call CQ DX between 50060 & 50070.
For what it's worth
K9IL
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Re: [Elecraft] 6M CW

2010-07-05 Thread Jim Brown
On Mon, 5 Jul 2010 11:26:40 -0700, David Yarnes wrote:

> However, I find myself 
>on both sides of the fence.  Sometimes I get antsy wanting 
>to work a particular grid square, but other times I get into 
>a longer exchange

First, there's no fence. Do what you wanna. :) But do what makes 
sense in the context of conditions. When 6M is open, conditions can 
be WILDLY variable, and ragchewing with a station who might not be 
there in 30 seconds is a pretty dumb idea. If you want to rag chew, 
do it with someone who is NOT subject to rapid fading, or on a band 
that is better suited to it. 

Second, there are MANY ways to enjoy ham radio. Some of my ham 
friends only enjoy building stations, or writing software, or 
building equipment, or fixing equipment, or teaching new hams. 
Others enjoy DXing, or collecting counties, or states, or whatever. 
Others enjoy contesting. Or rag chewing. 

One thing that turns me on is seeing my station working well in 
challenging situations, like 160M DX, and 6M grids. I like 
contesting for the same reason. Different strokes for different 
folks. Do what YOU wanna, but don't put down those who wanna do 
something different, and whatever side of the hobby you pursue, be 
a good neighbor! 

73, Jim K9YC



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Re: [Elecraft] 6M CW

2010-07-05 Thread ussv dharma
I work from various dx locationsI DO NOT, AND WILL NOT  give the "wham bam 
thank you mam" type of qso.  I talk with the other stationwhat, you don't 
like it...well, you spend all the money to get to dx spots and then you can do 
as you like.

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--- On Mon, 7/5/10, WILLIS COOKE  wrote:

> From: WILLIS COOKE 
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 6M CW
> To: "Jim Brown" , "elecraft@mailman.qth.net" 
> 
> Date: Monday, July 5, 2010, 9:29 AM
> I don't feel that way at all.  A
> contact in which only grids are exchanged leaves me with
> little satisfaction at all.  I at least like
> to exchange names and QTH.  I get enough of the quicky
> QSOs with contests.  I don't need more on six meters or
> digital contacts.  I know I am out of step with the avant
> guarde, but I don't enjoy six meters much because of  these
> quick exchanges.
>  Willis 'Cookie' Cooke 
> K5EWJ 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ________
> From: Jim Brown 
> To: "elecraft@mailman.qth.net"
> 
> Sent: Mon, July 5, 2010 10:41:55 AM
> Subject: [Elecraft] 6M CW
> 
> On Mon, 5 Jul 2010 08:29:08 -0700 (PDT), Ken McGuire
> wrote:
> 
> >I was frustrated at how slow the chats were on SSB (FM
> was even worse) -
> >it seemed like they were wasting a perfectly good band
> opening ragchewing
> 
> Yep. Same here. Often, an opening on any given path may be
> there only long 
> enough to exchange the grid and report. It's quite
> frustrating to wait to 
> call a station that was S9, then S7, then S5, then S3, then
> fumes, while 
> the time is filled with innanity. 
> 
> >When I turned down to the CW portion of the band, it
> almost sounded like
> >a CW contest weekend.
> 
> Yes. I've gotten to the point that I spend most of my 6M
> efforts on CW, 
> only tuning up to the SSB portion of the band when nothing
> is happening on 
> CW. And thanks in part to the proliferation of K3s, there
> is a lot more CW 
> activity than there was only 5 years ago.
> 
> 73, Jim K9YC
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] 6M CW

2010-07-05 Thread Lee Buller

The issue here is "Awards."  Working grids, states and countries on 6 meters.  
It is my feeling that is what makes QSOs so quick on 6 meters, or conducted in 
"contest mode."  Now, I am not an long time 6 meter 
operator (in fact, I've been on the band since July 1, 2010) but I have 
been able to work about 250 people since.  I operated contest style on 
SSB59/EM18.  Why?  Trying to gather in as many grids squares as 
possibleandas many states as possible in the shortest amount of 
time (because of the "rare" opening on 6 meters) for AWARDS! 

Now, I had a few short rag chewspeople I knew and some I did not...but 
for the most part...I was working people as fast as possible for "award 
points."  WAS, VUCC and DXCC.

On a K3 Note  The radio performed flawlessly on both CW and SSB without the 
pre-amp.

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Re: [Elecraft] 6M CW

2010-07-05 Thread Sandy
This phenomenon is not restricted to 6 meters!  The same thing happens on HF 
as well: people looking for "club" numbers, grid squares, counties,etc., 
etc.  The whole "contest" mentality has corrupted all the "old" and "polite" 
methods of establishing a QSO when there are no contests at all!  Also the 
"Elmers" of today, aided and abetted by the ARRL, have all but completely 
"eliminated" the normal calling protocols of yesteryear.  It isn't at all 
"unusual" to tune up and send a few "V's"  and have someone just drop their 
callsign on you just ONCE!  As I now an "old timer" in age and amateur 
radio, I "wonder" when this happens.  Is this chap calling me?  Is he just 
testing?  Even if you send "QRZ? de W5TVW K" you may just get a callsign 
sent ONCE!  Also people sending: "DE W4ABC" instead of calling "CQ". 
"Newer" QRPers answering a CQ call just sending their callsign just ONCE! 
There isn't that "all important" OPERATING section still published in the 
"Handbook"!  Guess the folks at ARRL thought they could make a few extra 
bucks by publishing a special book dealing with that subject that obviously 
everyone ISN"T buying!
I enjoy contests on CW doing QRP and usually these are limited to a small 
segment of the CW sub-band, and they don't seem to be on every weekend.  6 
meters used to be a  really "fun" band back in the "AM" phone days, but I 
didn't figure it would be degraded to nothing but "hello, goodbye" type 
contacts.

Sorry for this, guess I sound like a grouchy "old fart" but where has all 
the politeness gone?

73,

Sandy W5TVW

- Original Message - 
From: "WILLIS COOKE" 
To: "Jim Brown" ; 
Sent: Monday, July 05, 2010 2:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 6M CW


I don't feel that way at all. A contact in which only grids are exchanged 
leaves me with little satisfaction at all. I at least like to exchange names 
and QTH. I get enough of the quicky QSOs with contests. I don't need more on 
six meters or digital contacts. I know I am out of step with the avant 
guarde, but I don't enjoy six meters much because of these quick exchanges.
Willis 'Cookie' Cooke
K5EWJ





From: Jim Brown 
To: "elecraft@mailman.qth.net" 
Sent: Mon, July 5, 2010 10:41:55 AM
Subject: [Elecraft] 6M CW

On Mon, 5 Jul 2010 08:29:08 -0700 (PDT), Ken McGuire wrote:

>I was frustrated at how slow the chats were on SSB (FM was even worse) -
>it seemed like they were wasting a perfectly good band opening ragchewing

Yep. Same here. Often, an opening on any given path may be there only long
enough to exchange the grid and report. It's quite frustrating to wait to
call a station that was S9, then S7, then S5, then S3, then fumes, while
the time is filled with innanity.

>When I turned down to the CW portion of the band, it almost sounded like
>a CW contest weekend.

Yes. I've gotten to the point that I spend most of my 6M efforts on CW,
only tuning up to the SSB portion of the band when nothing is happening on
CW. And thanks in part to the proliferation of K3s, there is a lot more CW
activity than there was only 5 years ago.

73, Jim K9YC


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Re: [Elecraft] 6M CW

2010-07-05 Thread David Gilbert

I think the issue is that openings are often so brief on 6m that while 
you're exchanging pleasantries the guy waiting behind you is likely to 
end up with nothing.  That's the radio equivalent of having the guy in 
front of you in the left turn lane use up the entire arrow.

Just as in any other situation, it seems appropriate to me for folks to 
adapt their operating habits to the environment at hand but clearly not 
everyone views it that way.  I had never operated 6m before but last 
June (2009) I thought it might be fun to chase grids on Es.  I 
discovered that most of the activity was on SSB, and my experience after 
a few weeks effort was that a rather high percentage of the people I 
heard were in the mud by the time they finished chatting.  Not much fun 
in that for me and I haven't even bothered with it this year.  Waiting 
out propagation is one thing ... helplessly watching it go away is quite 
another.

73,
Dave   AB7E



On 7/5/2010 1:37 PM, The Smiths wrote:
> Wow, someone else that agrees with me.
>
> 6 meters is a BIG disapointment.  You get on there and all you hear is stuff 
> you could otherwise work with a 10' wire on 17 meters, and then all you get 
> is a call sign and if you're lucky an RST.. Then before you can even say 
> goodbye or 73 the other person has already gone.  What kind of enjoyment is 
> that?  To each their own.. I'll save that kind of operation for Contesters...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>> Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2010 12:29:59 -0700
>> From: wrco...@yahoo.com
>> To: j...@audiosystemsgroup.com; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 6M CW
>>
>> I don't feel that way at all.  A contact in which only grids are exchanged 
>> leaves me with little satisfaction at all.  I at least like to exchange 
>> names and QTH.  I get enough of the quicky QSOs with contests.  I don't need 
>> more on six meters or digital contacts.  I know I am out of step with the 
>> avant guarde, but I don't enjoy six meters much because of  these quick 
>> exchanges.
>>   Willis 'Cookie' Cooke
>> K5EWJ
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>> From: Jim Brown
>> To: "elecraft@mailman.qth.net"
>> Sent: Mon, July 5, 2010 10:41:55 AM
>> Subject: [Elecraft] 6M CW
>>
>> On Mon, 5 Jul 2010 08:29:08 -0700 (PDT), Ken McGuire wrote:
>>
>>  
>>> I was frustrated at how slow the chats were on SSB (FM was even worse) -
>>> it seemed like they were wasting a perfectly good band opening ragchewing
>>>
>> Yep. Same here. Often, an opening on any given path may be there only long
>> enough to exchange the grid and report. It's quite frustrating to wait to
>> call a station that was S9, then S7, then S5, then S3, then fumes, while
>> the time is filled with innanity.
>>
>>  
>>> When I turned down to the CW portion of the band, it almost sounded like
>>> a CW contest weekend.
>>>
>> Yes. I've gotten to the point that I spend most of my 6M efforts on CW,
>> only tuning up to the SSB portion of the band when nothing is happening on
>> CW. And thanks in part to the proliferation of K3s, there is a lot more CW
>> activity than there was only 5 years ago.
>>
>> 73, Jim K9YC
>>  
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Re: [Elecraft] 6M CW

2010-07-05 Thread The Smiths

Wow, someone else that agrees with me.  

6 meters is a BIG disapointment.  You get on there and all you hear is stuff 
you could otherwise work with a 10' wire on 17 meters, and then all you get is 
a call sign and if you're lucky an RST.. Then before you can even say goodbye 
or 73 the other person has already gone.  What kind of enjoyment is that?  To 
each their own.. I'll save that kind of operation for Contesters...

 


 
> Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2010 12:29:59 -0700
> From: wrco...@yahoo.com
> To: j...@audiosystemsgroup.com; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 6M CW
> 
> I don't feel that way at all.  A contact in which only grids are exchanged 
> leaves me with little satisfaction at all.  I at least like to exchange names 
> and QTH.  I get enough of the quicky QSOs with contests.  I don't need more 
> on six meters or digital contacts.  I know I am out of step with the avant 
> guarde, but I don't enjoy six meters much because of  these quick exchanges.
>  Willis 'Cookie' Cooke 
> K5EWJ 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: Jim Brown 
> To: "elecraft@mailman.qth.net" 
> Sent: Mon, July 5, 2010 10:41:55 AM
> Subject: [Elecraft] 6M CW
> 
> On Mon, 5 Jul 2010 08:29:08 -0700 (PDT), Ken McGuire wrote:
> 
> >I was frustrated at how slow the chats were on SSB (FM was even worse) -
> >it seemed like they were wasting a perfectly good band opening ragchewing
> 
> Yep. Same here. Often, an opening on any given path may be there only long 
> enough to exchange the grid and report. It's quite frustrating to wait to 
> call a station that was S9, then S7, then S5, then S3, then fumes, while 
> the time is filled with innanity. 
> 
> >When I turned down to the CW portion of the band, it almost sounded like
> >a CW contest weekend.
> 
> Yes. I've gotten to the point that I spend most of my 6M efforts on CW, 
> only tuning up to the SSB portion of the band when nothing is happening on 
> CW. And thanks in part to the proliferation of K3s, there is a lot more CW 
> activity than there was only 5 years ago.
> 
> 73, Jim K9YC
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] 6M CW

2010-07-05 Thread Gary Gregory
Cookie,

You are not alone.

My sentiments exactly.

Gary

On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 5:29 AM, WILLIS COOKE  wrote:

> I don't feel that way at all.  A contact in which only grids are exchanged
> leaves me with little satisfaction at all.  I at least like
> to exchange names and QTH.  I get enough of the quicky QSOs with contests.
> I don't need more on six meters or digital contacts.  I know I am out of
> step with the avant guarde, but I don't enjoy six meters much because of
> these quick exchanges.
>  Willis 'Cookie' Cooke
> K5EWJ
>
>
>
>
> 
> From: Jim Brown 
> To: "elecraft@mailman.qth.net" 
> Sent: Mon, July 5, 2010 10:41:55 AM
> Subject: [Elecraft] 6M CW
>
> On Mon, 5 Jul 2010 08:29:08 -0700 (PDT), Ken McGuire wrote:
>
> >I was frustrated at how slow the chats were on SSB (FM was even worse) -
> >it seemed like they were wasting a perfectly good band opening ragchewing
>
> Yep. Same here. Often, an opening on any given path may be there only long
> enough to exchange the grid and report. It's quite frustrating to wait to
> call a station that was S9, then S7, then S5, then S3, then fumes, while
> the time is filled with innanity.
>
> >When I turned down to the CW portion of the band, it almost sounded like
> >a CW contest weekend.
>
> Yes. I've gotten to the point that I spend most of my 6M efforts on CW,
> only tuning up to the SSB portion of the band when nothing is happening on
> CW. And thanks in part to the proliferation of K3s, there is a lot more CW
> activity than there was only 5 years ago.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
>
>
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Re: [Elecraft] 6M CW

2010-07-05 Thread WILLIS COOKE
I don't feel that way at all.  A contact in which only grids are exchanged 
leaves me with little satisfaction at all.  I at least like to exchange names 
and QTH.  I get enough of the quicky QSOs with contests.  I don't need more on 
six meters or digital contacts.  I know I am out of step with the avant guarde, 
but I don't enjoy six meters much because of  these quick exchanges.
 Willis 'Cookie' Cooke 
K5EWJ 





From: Jim Brown 
To: "elecraft@mailman.qth.net" 
Sent: Mon, July 5, 2010 10:41:55 AM
Subject: [Elecraft] 6M CW

On Mon, 5 Jul 2010 08:29:08 -0700 (PDT), Ken McGuire wrote:

>I was frustrated at how slow the chats were on SSB (FM was even worse) -
>it seemed like they were wasting a perfectly good band opening ragchewing

Yep. Same here. Often, an opening on any given path may be there only long 
enough to exchange the grid and report. It's quite frustrating to wait to 
call a station that was S9, then S7, then S5, then S3, then fumes, while 
the time is filled with innanity. 

>When I turned down to the CW portion of the band, it almost sounded like
>a CW contest weekend.

Yes. I've gotten to the point that I spend most of my 6M efforts on CW, 
only tuning up to the SSB portion of the band when nothing is happening on 
CW. And thanks in part to the proliferation of K3s, there is a lot more CW 
activity than there was only 5 years ago.

73, Jim K9YC


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[Elecraft] 6M CW

2010-07-05 Thread David Yarnes
I understand how Jim and Ken feel.  However, I find myself 
on both sides of the fence.  Sometimes I get antsy wanting 
to work a particular grid square, but other times I get into 
a longer exchange--maybe the other station is in a location 
of particular interest, or whatever.  Of course, not many 
folks are that hungry for my grid square, but I suppose they 
may be hungry for the other person's grid square.  Thing is, 
though, not everyone (me included) is knocking themselves 
out trying to grab "all" the grid squares.  I save that 
approach for the contests usually.  Different folks have 
different ways of enjoying the opening, and a little 
chit-chat may be how they do it.  So, maybe we all just need 
to take a deep breath.

Jim's absolutely right about the CW portion of the band. 
It's usually "all business" down there, and lots of fun too. 
Weak signals are much easier to grab, etc.  My biggest 
complaint about the CW "portion" is that we seemed to be 
squeezed into a fairly narrow segment--50,090 to 50,100.  I 
realize we can go further up or down, but most don't seem to 
do it.  Also you start running into the beacons when you get 
lower, and when the band is good, there are a bunch of them 
coming in.  Nevertheless, I do go down lower sometimes, but 
my QSO rate drops because others don't seem to be listening 
down further.  Going up apparently "infringes" on a DX 
window for SSB.  Anyway, I think we should spread out some, 
downward probably, when the band gets good like this, 
beacons or no beacons.  That's probably heresy!  Of course, 
I'd also like to hear a lot more folks try CW too!

Dave W7AQK


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Jim Brown wrote:

On Mon, 5 Jul 2010 08:29:08 -0700 (PDT), Ken McGuire wrote:

>I was frustrated at how slow the chats were on SSB (FM was 
>even worse) -
>it seemed like they were wasting a perfectly good band 
>opening ragchewing

Yep. Same here. Often, an opening on any given path may be 
there only long
enough to exchange the grid and report. It's quite 
frustrating to wait to
call a station that was S9, then S7, then S5, then S3, then 
fumes, while
the time is filled with innanity.

>When I turned down to the CW portion of the band, it almost 
>sounded like
>a CW contest weekend.

Yes. I've gotten to the point that I spend most of my 6M 
efforts on CW,
only tuning up to the SSB portion of the band when nothing 
is happening on
CW. And thanks in part to the proliferation of K3s, there is 
a lot more CW
activity than there was only 5 years ago.

73, Jim K9YC


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[Elecraft] 6M CW

2010-07-05 Thread Jim Brown
On Mon, 5 Jul 2010 08:29:08 -0700 (PDT), Ken McGuire wrote:

>I was frustrated at how slow the chats were on SSB (FM was even worse) -
>it seemed like they were wasting a perfectly good band opening ragchewing

Yep. Same here. Often, an opening on any given path may be there only long 
enough to exchange the grid and report. It's quite frustrating to wait to 
call a station that was S9, then S7, then S5, then S3, then fumes, while 
the time is filled with innanity. 

>When I turned down to the CW portion of the band, it almost sounded like
>a CW contest weekend.

Yes. I've gotten to the point that I spend most of my 6M efforts on CW, 
only tuning up to the SSB portion of the band when nothing is happening on 
CW. And thanks in part to the proliferation of K3s, there is a lot more CW 
activity than there was only 5 years ago.

73, Jim K9YC


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Re: [Elecraft] 6m CW REV

2008-07-05 Thread Mike Harris
G'day,

Tested again.  With 2.13 6M CW memory saves return REV.  Maybe this only 
happens with saves after 2.13 has been installed and not with prior saves.

Regards,

Mike VP8NO



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| I have 50.060 (CW) and 50.125 (SSB) saved in memories.  Just checked 
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| it comes back as CW and not CWR.
|
| 73, Neal WA6OCP
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| Stewart G3RXQ wrote:
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| > On 6m if I select the mode as CW, then save and recall from a
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Re: [Elecraft] 6m CW REV

2008-07-04 Thread Bob Cunnings
I'm afraid the problem may have resurfaced, I experience it with
firmware 2.13 but not 2.10.

Bob NW8L

On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 3:55 PM, Tom Carney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>>
>> I suspect this was fixed in version 2.03 of the firmware.  The notes for
>> 2.03 indicate a fix for a 6M CW-R problem.  I resolved a related problem
>> when I installed 2.10 (2.03 was not released).
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Tom K6EU
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Re: [Elecraft] 6m CW REV

2008-07-04 Thread Tom Carney



Stewart G3RXQ wrote:
> 
> On 6m if I select the mode as CW, then save and recall from a
> memory I get CW REV. Is this correct ?
> 
> 73
> Stewart G3RXQ
> 
> I suspect this was fixed in version 2.03 of the firmware.  The notes for
> 2.03 indicate a fix for a 6M CW-R problem.  I resolved a related problem
> when I installed 2.10 (2.03 was not released).  
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> 73,
> 
> Tom K6EU
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Re: [Elecraft] 6m CW REV

2008-07-04 Thread WA6OCP

I have 50.060 (CW) and 50.125 (SSB) saved in memories.  Just checked mine and
it comes back as CW and not CWR.

73, Neal WA6OCP


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[Elecraft] 6m CW REV

2008-07-04 Thread Stewart Baker
On 6m if I select the mode as CW, then save and recall from a
memory I get CW REV. Is this correct ?

73
Stewart G3RXQ


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