[Elecraft] Band Button Gripe
Now where is my KRX3? When I receive it I can drop off this infuriating Zoo. That's where I agree with you Mike. I started this thread by suggesting a new setup option for band buttons, a new enhancement that would detract from no existing features. I expected at most not necessary by those who cared enough to voice a contrary opinion, yet reading the responses they started with When our Forefathers (a sarcastic jab) snip and ending with AMEN. (brother). I sensed no sarcasm there at all. Private emails to me indicated that some felt passionate on the subject, enough to justify public and private jabs about the issue. Why, if it's an add-on? Got me. Why the nasty sarcasm at all? It seems like a few vocal BRAND zealots feel they need to enforce their will and the list seems a convenient way of going about it. Reminds me of some periods on the Ten Tec reflector. Kool aid guys - stay here and pump up your egos, your good for one another. Just realize the sensible majority is silent, and some of us can't even bear to read the digest through your tripe anymore. didit. [Elecraft] RE: Band Button Gripe Mike Harris mike.harris at horizon.co.fk Sat Jul 26 15:34:58 EDT 2008 Previous message: [Elecraft] RE: Band Button Gripe Next message: [Elecraft] OT: Northern lights G'day, I don't recall all this anguish about the layout of the K2 front panel. Why can't we just accept that it is as it is and get a life and get on with better things. I'm sure there is no way it's going to redesigned to suit individual whimsy. I for one am utterly sick of hearing about it. Now where is my KRX3? When I receive it I can drop off this infuriating Zoo. Regards, Mike VP8NO K2 #1400 K3 #345 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Band Button gripe - was ON4UN has a K3?
It still sticks in my craw that I have 5 single press buttons on the front panel that I'll never use. Elecraft - please make these available for use as single press BAND buttons. M1 M2 M3 M4 REC 80 40 20 15 10 That way we get into the ballpark with a single press and can band up or band down from there. Seriously, this should be a no-brainer! == [Elecraft] ON4UN has a K3? drewko1 at verizon.net drewko1 at verizon.net Fri Jul 25 20:25:38 EDT 2008 Previous message: [Elecraft] ON4UN has a K3? Next message: [Elecraft] ON4UN has a K3? Yes, Don, I agree completely. Forget about the labels entirely and just learn them by key position. However, I went with a vertical scheme vs your horizontal one... The first keypad column (1,4,7) is 160, 80, 40. Second column is 20 to 6 (6m stands apart way down there on the zero key); third column is the warc bands. I figure if I can keep track of forty-some keys on a keyboard without looking then I can memorize the positions of ten band buttons on the k3. Now my band locations just seem right! No label reading; no mental translation... the buttons ARE the bands! So, if the power goes out I can navigate the bands without even needing to see the buttons. (Admittedly, there isn't much point to navigating the band buttons when there is no power to the K3...) 73, Drew AF2Z ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Band Button gripe - was ON4UN has a K3?
Don, here's another idea... Right now, the RIT knob has the option of being used as a coarse VFO tuner when RIT and XIT are off. Perhaps people would like the option of using it as a band switch instead? (I am pretty happy with the numeric keypad system myself.) 73, Drew AF2Z On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 18:38:26 -0700 (PDT), Don Rasmussen wrote: It still sticks in my craw that I have 5 single press buttons on the front panel that I'll never use. Elecraft - please make these available for use as single press BAND buttons. M1 M2 M3 M4 REC 80 40 20 15 10 That way we get into the ballpark with a single press and can band up or band down from there. Seriously, this should be a no-brainer! == ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Band Button gripe - was ON4UN has a K3?
Drew - as I see it (past owner of OMNI VI+ and IC756Pro) there is simply no substitute for single button press band changes. It's a big deal. YMMV. [Elecraft] Band Button gripe - was ON4UN has a K3? drewko1 at verizon.net drewko1 at verizon.net Fri Jul 25 21:54:09 EDT 2008 Don, here's another idea... Right now, the RIT knob has the option of being used as a coarse VFO tuner when RIT and XIT are off. Perhaps people would like the option of using it as a band switch instead? (I am pretty happy with the numeric keypad system myself.) 73, Drew AF2Z ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Band Button gripe - was ON4UN has a K3?
And take away my CW memory buttons? That's madness! I've got more band changing methods than I can keep track of already. 73- Nick, WA5BDU Don Rasmussen wrote: It still sticks in my craw that I have 5 single press buttons on the front panel that I'll never use. Elecraft - please make these available for use as single press BAND buttons. M1 M2 M3 M4 REC 80 40 20 15 10 That way we get into the ballpark with a single press and can band up or band down from there. Seriously, this should be a no-brainer! == ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Band Button gripe - was ON4UN has a K3?
And take away my CW memory buttons? That's madness! No Nick - You keep your CW memory buttons - no madness there. Simply add one setup option for those of us that own external keyers (CMOS4 in my case) that if it is changed from the default will allow the single touch keys to be band switchers rather than keyer memories - see? A setup called maybe M1-M4 when set to default and those keys are for DVK or memory keyer just as you enjoy it now. Set to BAND and those uf us that want it get access to the VFO's. I'd go one stpe further and say that the M1-M4 could be mapped to 80m 40m 20m and 10m and a single press of the REC button would display briefly WARC on the display and then M1-M4 would be 60m 30m 17m and 12m. But I really don't think it's about panel space, it's about how the designers want us to use the K3... [Elecraft] Band Button gripe - was ON4UN has a K3? Nick-WA5BDU nick-wa5bdu at suddenlink.net Fri Jul 25 22:12:19 EDT 2008 Previous message: [Elecraft] Band Button gripe - was ON4UN has a K3? Next message: [Elecraft] Band Button gripe - was ON4UN has a K3? And take away my CW memory buttons? That's madness! I've got more band changing methods than I can keep track of already. 73- Nick, WA5BDU ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Band Button gripe - was ON4UN has a K3?
Just what is the big deal about pushing a single button instead of pushing two buttons in sequence to get to the band and mode you want? Hey Doug - You hit the nail on the head, contestors have the optimal solution with the stock K3. But modest stations, what I'll call condo class or dipole class (like my own) require a scan of the available bands to see which -one- you can use on a given day. There is a fair amount of back and forth in determining which band to call home for a couple hours. With single touch band changes, you press one button (example 20m), twirl the main tuning knob, take a reading, okay now hit the next band up (15m), twirl, okay how about 10m? Nope, MUF not there, back to 15m. Your finger remembers single press bands, even between weekends (many of us work). Now imagine sitting down on Saturday morning after last operation a week ago - okay, hmmm, which button oh yeah - M-V, okay now which band is button 20m? Hmmm think it's 1. Two button press and you are there. Repeat 3 times as in example. Summary - one button is enough for even a finger to remember for a week. Multiple keypresses, in addition to requiring extra time to accomplish, require the user boot the brain before the action gets accomplished. Hard to put into words Doug, but if you were there it would be plain as day! c u Don --- DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Don, I am genuinely curious. Just what is the big deal about pushing a single button instead of pushing two buttons in sequence to get to the band and mode you want? I just don't see how it can matter...and I'm a contester, so speed is important to me. You really have me baffled so I please fill me in. Thanks! de Doug KR2Q ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Band Button gripe - was ON4UN has a K3?
Or you can just use an up/down and get done the working up the bands and scanning with the dial... Hell our forefathers had to tune up for quite some time to change bands. Now we've reached the point where using and up/down button set is too slow for us. Then god forbid we actually have to engage our brain and remember what band we have saved where. If its so hard put a band plan on the wall and just write a number next to each one in order. Then you can walk through them that way. But oh my gosh we have to press two buttons to get to each band If you're a condo/dipole class why not sit back and enjoy it. Maybe cut your QSO shorter by 3 seconds so you can get in those extra button presses for band changes. Maybe you can head to a fast food place and have them make you a meal that you can eat in the car without having to ever stop or get out. That should save you enough time for a few extra button presses to change bands. Personally I like the portability that a smaller/lighter rig affords me. Thankfully the K1, KX1, K2, and K3 pretty much all fit into that category. I don't think I'm alone in this though There has to be a reason why the IC706 is the best selling rig in the hobby and it has band up/dn buttons. Not that I own one though... On Fri, 2008-07-25 at 20:24 -0700, Don Rasmussen wrote: Just what is the big deal about pushing a single button instead of pushing two buttons in sequence to get to the band and mode you want? Hey Doug - You hit the nail on the head, contestors have the optimal solution with the stock K3. But modest stations, what I'll call condo class or dipole class (like my own) require a scan of the available bands to see which -one- you can use on a given day. There is a fair amount of back and forth in determining which band to call home for a couple hours. With single touch band changes, you press one button (example 20m), twirl the main tuning knob, take a reading, okay now hit the next band up (15m), twirl, okay how about 10m? Nope, MUF not there, back to 15m. Your finger remembers single press bands, even between weekends (many of us work). Now imagine sitting down on Saturday morning after last operation a week ago - okay, hmmm, which button oh yeah - M-V, okay now which band is button 20m? Hmmm think it's 1. Two button press and you are there. Repeat 3 times as in example. Summary - one button is enough for even a finger to remember for a week. Multiple keypresses, in addition to requiring extra time to accomplish, require the user boot the brain before the action gets accomplished. Hard to put into words Doug, but if you were there it would be plain as day! c u Don --- DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Don, I am genuinely curious. Just what is the big deal about pushing a single button instead of pushing two buttons in sequence to get to the band and mode you want? I just don't see how it can matter...and I'm a contester, so speed is important to me. You really have me baffled so I please fill me in. Thanks! de Doug KR2Q ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Band Button gripe
Idea Why not make an additional set of control buttons and use the secret connector on the bottom right side of the K3. Just a small panel that would fit under the K3 and would give you numerous programmable buttons. Then, you could set up the button on the little add on panel. Or, for quick band changes in a contestI use N1MM logger and just change bands and modes through software. Or, a stand alone PIC processor on the RS232 port that does the same thing as software in a computer. There are a lot of people who like to market add-ons to the Elecraft products that just work great. Fingerdimple, LP-PAN, etc... Lee - K0WA In our day and age it seems that Common Sense is in short supply. If you don't have any Common Sense - get some Common Sense and use it. If you can't find any Common Sense, ask for help from somebody who has some Common Sense. Is Common Sense divine? ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Band Button gripe
These ideas make much more sense than trying to remap front panel buttons. I think the field testers did a great job of defining how the ergonomics are to flow. ~Brett On Fri, 2008-07-25 at 20:43 -0700, Lee Buller wrote: Idea Why not make an additional set of control buttons and use the secret connector on the bottom right side of the K3. Just a small panel that would fit under the K3 and would give you numerous programmable buttons. Then, you could set up the button on the little add on panel. Or, for quick band changes in a contestI use N1MM logger and just change bands and modes through software. Or, a stand alone PIC processor on the RS232 port that does the same thing as software in a computer. There are a lot of people who like to market add-ons to the Elecraft products that just work great. Fingerdimple, LP-PAN, etc... Lee - K0WA In our day and age it seems that Common Sense is in short supply. If you don't have any Common Sense - get some Common Sense and use it. If you can't find any Common Sense, ask for help from somebody who has some Common Sense. Is Common Sense divine? ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Band button
Isn't there some authorized amateur activity in the 600 meter band? I saw someone post that they had a beacon going aroun 500 khz. Dave W7AQK - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2008 12:43 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Band button In a message dated 7/6/08 2:36:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What does top band mean? 160 meters (1.8 to 2.0 MHz) The name derives from the time when we thought primarily in terms of wavelength. Going to a longer wave was going up and to a shorter wave was down. Hence Clinton B. Desoto's book title 200 Meters and Down (yes, it should be metres) 160 is the longest wave hams can use, hence it's the top band. 73 de Jim, N2EY ** Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut000507) ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Band button
On Sat, 05 Jul 2008 21:46:44 -0400, Tony Fegan VE3QF [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My vote is for the VFO displays to be in wavelength (YARDS, FEET and INCHES) with an option for frequency in ROMAN NUMERALS! :O) [snip] Tom, N5GE - SWOT 3537 - Grid EM12jq Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety deserve neither Liberty nor Safety An excerpt from a letter written in 1755 from the Assembly to the Governor of Pennsylvania. Support the entire Constitution, not just the parts you like. http://www.n5ge.com http://www.eQSL.cc/Member.cfm?N5GE ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Band button
On Sat, 5 Jul 2008 18:47:25 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] Actually, both terms are used by FCC. I just checked Part 97, and the terms are used almost interchangeably. For example, the title of 97.301 is Authorized Frequency Bands. But when you look at the charts which tell who can operate where in what region, the leftmost column is labeled Wavelength Bands. Even odder, FCC refers to 3.5-3.6 MHz as 80 meters and 3.6-4.0 MHz as 75 meters as if they were not right next to each other. I am not making this up. When I first heard about it, I thought my leg was being pulled, so I went and checked. 73 es yes it's trivia, but it's my trivia de Jim, N2EY [snip] Yes , and the OSHA Manual, in the fire extinguisher section says that sand buckets need not be included in the yearly test of fire extinguisher apparatus. Ain't bureaucracy grand? Tom, N5GE - SWOT 3537 - Grid EM12jq Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety deserve neither Liberty nor Safety An excerpt from a letter written in 1755 from the Assembly to the Governor of Pennsylvania. Support the entire Constitution, not just the parts you like. http://www.n5ge.com http://www.eQSL.cc/Member.cfm?N5GE ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Band button
Brian, I was wondering if you have or had a K2 and if you relabeled it as well? George ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Band Button
Thanks all for a good laugh this Sunday morning on the subject of frequency/wavelength units! 73 Tom G3OLB (patiently waiting) ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: Re: [Elecraft] Band button
Lyle Johnson wrote: div class=moz-text-flowed style=font-family: -moz-fixed My vote is for the VFO displays to be in wavelength (YARDS, FEET and INCHES) with an option for frequency in ROMAN NUMERALS! Only the VFO B can display in roman numerals. We can't do M, V or X in VFO A. And we'll use furlongs for wavelength. The audible feedback from the DVR option will be in Latin in the form of a Gregorian chant. For those who prefer frequency in this mode, the reference won't be in Hertz, but in cycles per fortnight. Sounds good to me. As one of my UK colleagues once said, We're going metric ... inch by inch. How about you? The tour bus driver in Victoria BC remarked that We Canadians sell gasoline by the teaspoon, that's why the price looks so low. Did the Romans have a decimal point? Interesting thread. Useless ... but interesting. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 2008 Cal QSO Party 4-5 Oct 08 - www.cqp.org This is a great Forum... Yes it is. Hopefully with a lot of humor when you're not solving our [sometimes imagined] problems. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 2008 Cal QSO Party 4-5 Oct 08 - www.cqp.org ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Band button - way OT
The Romans didn't even have the concept of zero - it was introduced from Messopitainia (spelling?) after their fall, if I remember correctly. 73 de M0XDF, K3 #174.0 -- I never did a day's work in my life; it was all fun. -Thomas Edison Did the Romans have a decimal point? ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Band button
Jim N2EY wrote: Even odder, FCC refers to 3.5-3.6 MHz as 80 meters and 3.6-4.0 MHz as 75 meters as if they were not right next to each other. I am not making this up. When I first heard about it, I thought my leg was being pulled, so I went and checked. Tradition in Region 2 was that 80 metres referred to the portion of the 3.5 - 4.0 MHz allocation in which only CW could be used, and 75 metres to that portion in which 'phone and CW could be used. My first VE licence (Dec 1947) placed the divide at 3.800 MHz, but it was moved down to 3.750 MHz a year or two later. Further changes later. 73, Geoff GM4ESD ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Band button
For those who will now want to add cycles per fortnight to their conversion tables: 1 Hz = 1,209,600 cycles per fortnight. I just thought you would want to know - I had a moment of leisure this morning and did the calculation on paper :-) 73, Don W3FPR Lyle Johnson wrote: For those who prefer frequency in this mode, the reference won't be in Hertz, but in cycles per fortnight. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Band button
Don Wilhelm wrote: For those who will now want to add cycles per fortnight to their conversion tables: 1 Hz = 1,209,600 cycles per fortnight. I just thought you would want to know - I had a moment of leisure this morning and did the calculation on paper :-) Funny, the first thing I did when I saw Lyle's message was to do the same! What's really interesting is the wavelength of 1 cpf: 2.5 x10**6 m. The 2-1/2 million meter band! -- 73, Vic, K2VCO Fresno CA http://www.qsl.net/k2vco ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Band button
Vic K2VCO wrote: Don Wilhelm wrote: For those who will now want to add cycles per fortnight to their conversion tables: 1 Hz = 1,209,600 cycles per fortnight. I just thought you would want to know - I had a moment of leisure this morning and did the calculation on paper :-) Funny, the first thing I did when I saw Lyle's message was to do the same! What's really interesting is the wavelength of 1 cpf: 2.5 x10**6 m. The 2-1/2 million meter band! Oops. The real wavelength is 3.6 x 10**14 meters! Sorry. -- 73, Vic, K2VCO Fresno CA http://www.qsl.net/k2vco ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Band button
Heinrich Hertz would be proud ! You have to credit Don for his new term for cpf - perhaps wm? Lets all meet on 8.515584e12 wm for some QRP CW. So do I push the button UP or DOWN? :-) On Sun, Jul 6, 2008 at 1:11 PM, Vic K2VCO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vic K2VCO wrote: Don Wilhelm wrote: For those who will now want to add cycles per fortnight to their conversion tables: 1 Hz = 1,209,600 cycles per fortnight. I just thought you would want to know - I had a moment of leisure this morning and did the calculation on paper :-) Funny, the first thing I did when I saw Lyle's message was to do the same! What's really interesting is the wavelength of 1 cpf: 2.5 x10**6 m. The 2-1/2 million meter band! Oops. The real wavelength is 3.6 x 10**14 meters! Sorry. -- 73, Vic, K2VCO Fresno CA http://www.qsl.net/k2vco ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Band button
No credit for me on that one George - Lyle was the first to recognize the units. 73, Don W3FPR George Victor wrote: Heinrich Hertz would be proud ! You have to credit Don for his new term for cpf - perhaps wm? Lets all meet on 8.515584e12 wm for some QRP CW. So do I push the button UP or DOWN? :-) ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Band button
I think there is a misunderstanding of the meaning of the word Band. The higher bands for example refer to the bands in terms of frequency. The 20m band is in terms of wavelength. However, no bands are officially described in terms of wavelength any more. Not since 150m and down! Look at all band plans - even the USA one - and you will find it is defined by frequency. So, the K3 and all other radios are correct. Mike K3KO wrote: This isn't just the K3. Other radios have the same problem. It seems to be a mistake that persisted through the years. The button marked band with up and down arrows really is frequency. You push the up arrow and the band goes down. Press down arrow and band goes up. It would be nice to have this fixed in the K3. No hope for other radios. Right now I have a white sticky label with freq on it pasted over the band marking. 73 de Brian/K3KO -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Band-button-tp18291244p18304496.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
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Bzzt. What does top band mean? 73, doug Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 11:30:58 -0700 (PDT) From: AD6XY - Mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] I think there is a misunderstanding of the meaning of the word Band. The higher bands for example refer to the bands in terms of frequency. The 20m band is in terms of wavelength. However, no bands are officially described in terms of wavelength any more. Not since 150m and down! Look at all band plans - even the USA one - and you will find it is defined by frequency. So, the K3 and all other radios are correct. Mike K3KO wrote: This isn't just the K3. Other radios have the same problem. It seems to be a mistake that persisted through the years. The button marked band with up and down arrows really is frequency. You push the up arrow and the band goes down. Press down arrow and band goes up. It would be nice to have this fixed in the K3. No hope for other radios. Right now I have a white sticky label with freq on it pasted over the band marking. 73 de Brian/K3KO ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
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In a message dated 7/6/08 2:36:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What does top band mean? 160 meters (1.8 to 2.0 MHz) The name derives from the time when we thought primarily in terms of wavelength. Going to a longer wave was going up and to a shorter wave was down. Hence Clinton B. Desoto's book title 200 Meters and Down (yes, it should be metres) 160 is the longest wave hams can use, hence it's the top band. 73 de Jim, N2EY ** Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut000507) ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
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G'day, | 160 is the longest wave hams can use, hence it's the top band. | | 73 de Jim, N2EY 137kHz = 2188 metres Regards, Mike VP8NO ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
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I think the most practical unit of measure is the chain. It is perfect in that 20 would be 1 and then the bands are up or down from there. Also makes laying out antennas in the yard very easy. 73, Bob K2TK Vic K2VCO wrote: Don Wilhelm wrote: For those who will now want to add cycles per fortnight to their conversion tables: 1 Hz = 1,209,600 cycles per fortnight. I just thought you would want to know - I had a moment of leisure this morning and did the calculation on paper :-) Funny, the first thing I did when I saw Lyle's message was to do the same! What's really interesting is the wavelength of 1 cpf: 2.5 x10**6 m. The 2-1/2 million meter band! ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
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N2EY wrote: 160 is the longest wave hams can use, hence it's the top band. That's right - keep pressing BAND ^ and there it is, just above 50MHz. -- 73 from Ian GM3SEK http://www.ifwtech.co.uk/g3sek ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
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This one has been beaten into submission. Time to end the thread. Eric WA6HHQ Elecraft List Moderator _..._ -Original Message- From: Ian White GM3SEK [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sunday, Jul 6, 2008 2:29 pm Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Band button To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Ian White GM3SEK [EMAIL PROTECTED] N2EY wrote: 160 is the longest wave hams can use, hence it's the top band. That's right - keep pressing BAND ^ and there it is, just above 50MHz. -- 73 from Ian GM3SEK http://www.ifwtech.co.uk/g3sek ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Band button
This isn't just the K3. Other radios have the same problem. It seems to be a mistake that persisted through the years. The button marked band with up and down arrows really is frequency. You push the up arrow and the band goes down. Press down arrow and band goes up. It would be nice to have this fixed in the K3. No hope for other radios. Right now I have a white sticky label with freq on it pasted over the band marking. 73 de Brian/K3KO -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Band-button-tp18291244p18291244.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
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Your lexicon must be quite different than mine. In my 54 years of association with ham radio, we have had Amateur Bands. Why would one want to label the device that changes between these bands as a frequency switch? The VFO changes frequency, the band switch changes bands. You are free to re-label yours -- just don't do the same to mine. 73, Don W3FPR K3KO wrote: This isn't just the K3. Other radios have the same problem. It seems to be a mistake that persisted through the years. The button marked band with up and down arrows really is frequency. You push the up arrow and the band goes down. Press down arrow and band goes up. It would be nice to have this fixed in the K3. No hope for other radios. Right now I have a white sticky label with freq on it pasted over the band marking. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
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I think what he is trying to say is that if you hit the band up button, it actually selects a higher frequency band, not a higher band number. ie: I'm on 7020 (40 meters) and hit the ban up button it goes to 10,140 (30 meters). So it's not going to a higher number band but a higher frequency. I've never given this much thought over the last 45 years and just went with the convention. I guess it's all semanticsanyhow Don is right, if you want re-label your controls, but don't change mine. Gregg R. Lengling, W9DHI Administrator http://www.milwaukeehdtv.org http://forums.ham-radio.ch/ ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
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Don , I agree we think in bands. That's why the band button arrows ought to do the right thing. Here is the situation now: I want to go from 20 to 10 meters. I have to press the DOWN button to go from 10 --20. Doesn't makes sense by any thought process. Last I knew they still teach counting UP as 0, 1, 2, 3 10 20. The DOWN arrow changes FREQUENCY down.That's why frequency is the right label. Sure it is a nit. However, more than half the time I end up going the wrong direction because I think in bands and conventional count directions.. 73 de Brian/K3KO Don Wilhelm wrote: Your lexicon must be quite different than mine. In my 54 years of association with ham radio, we have had Amateur Bands. Why would one want to label the device that changes between these bands as a frequency switch? The VFO changes frequency, the band switch changes bands. You are free to re-label yours -- just don't do the same to mine. 73, Don W3FPR K3KO wrote: This isn't just the K3. Other radios have the same problem. It seems to be a mistake that persisted through the years. The button marked band with up and down arrows really is frequency. You push the up arrow and the band goes down. Press down arrow and band goes up. It would be nice to have this fixed in the K3. No hope for other radios. Right now I have a white sticky label with freq on it pasted over the band marking. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
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So the 'light dawns'. This is the situation that has been around since dirt was young. The bands are usually referred to in terms of their wavelength (meters). Most people automatically think of 20 meters as being 'higher' than 30 meters because the frequency is higher. Of course there are exceptions, such as the common reference to 160 meters as Top Band and I have heard ops on (say) 20 meters who might comment Let's try a QSO up on 80 meters. If I am correct in that sort of thinking, perhaps he should just reverse the 'up' and 'down' arrows on the button instead of re-labeling it. 73, Don W3FPR Gregg R. Lengling wrote: I think what he is trying to say is that if you hit the band up button, it actually selects a higher frequency band, not a higher band number. ie: I'm on 7020 (40 meters) and hit the ban up button it goes to 10,140 (30 meters). So it's not going to a higher number band but a higher frequency. I've never given this much thought over the last 45 years and just went with the convention. I guess it's all semanticsanyhow Don is right, if you want re-label your controls, but don't change mine. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
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G'day, I've always thought of it as the next band UP or the next band DOWN determined by frequency, so the current legend is perfectly correct in that context. Just one of those conventions I guess, suits me. Regards, Mike VP8NO - Original Message - From: Brian Alsop [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2008 8:54 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Band button | Don , | | I agree we think in bands. That's why the band button arrows ought to | do the right thing. | | Here is the situation now: | I want to go from 20 to 10 meters. I have to press the DOWN button to | go from 10 --20. Doesn't makes sense by any thought process. | Last I knew they still teach counting UP as 0, 1, 2, 3 10 20. | | The DOWN arrow changes FREQUENCY down.That's why frequency is the | right label. | | Sure it is a nit. However, more than half the time I end up going the | wrong direction because I think in bands and conventional count | directions.. | | 73 de Brian/K3KO | | | | Don Wilhelm wrote: | | Your lexicon must be quite different than mine. In my 54 years of | association with ham radio, we have had Amateur Bands. Why would | one want to label the device that changes between these bands as a | frequency switch? The VFO changes frequency, the band switch | changes bands. | | You are free to re-label yours -- just don't do the same to mine. | | 73, | Don W3FPR | | K3KO wrote: | | This isn't just the K3. Other radios have the same problem. It | seems to be | a mistake that persisted through the years. | | The button marked band with up and down arrows really is frequency. | | You push the up arrow and the band goes down. Press down arrow and band | goes up. | | It would be nice to have this fixed in the K3. No hope for other | radios. | | Right now I have a white sticky label with freq on it pasted over the | band | marking. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
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Brian, While I see your point clearly, I'm not sure it holds up under what has been the convention just about forever. At first blush it does seem to be contradictory. Yes, the band numbers actually do go down, rather than up, as frequency increases. However, We have always considered 20 meters, for example, to be a higher band than 40 meters. We think of 10, 15, and 20 as the high bands, and 40, 80, and 160 as the lower bands. That's because in actuality, the reference is not to the band number, or wavelength, being higher, but to the band of frequencies (in khz and mhz), which are indeed higher. In other words, it's just shorthand. In fact, the term band is often thought of, not just in terms of wavelength, but in terms of frequency. If you ask someone what band they like to operate on, for example, they commonly respond with a frequency reference, like 7 mhz. Also, I'd be willing to bet that you yourself refer to 20 or10 meters as a high band, and not a low band, when you are making a comparison to the lower frequency bands. In any event, you aren't going to convince very many people to change their ways at this point. Whether it's totally logical or not, it is the commonly accepted convention. And it's the accepted reference world-wide. So, unfortunately, you are Don Quixote at the windmill! Just imagine if ON4UN had to issue an apology to the world for having mis-titled his classic antenna book about Low Band DXing. Just about everything between the covers is about 40, 80, and 160 meters! Good try, but no sale! Dave W7AQK - Original Message - From: Brian Alsop [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2008 5:54 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Band button Don , I agree we think in bands. That's why the band button arrows ought to do the right thing. Here is the situation now: I want to go from 20 to 10 meters. I have to press the DOWN button to go from 10 --20. Doesn't makes sense by any thought process. Last I knew they still teach counting UP as 0, 1, 2, 3 10 20. The DOWN arrow changes FREQUENCY down.That's why frequency is the right label. Sure it is a nit. However, more than half the time I end up going the wrong direction because I think in bands and conventional count directions.. 73 de Brian/K3KO Don Wilhelm wrote: Your lexicon must be quite different than mine. In my 54 years of association with ham radio, we have had Amateur Bands. Why would one want to label the device that changes between these bands as a frequency switch? The VFO changes frequency, the band switch changes bands. You are free to re-label yours -- just don't do the same to mine. 73, Don W3FPR K3KO wrote: This isn't just the K3. Other radios have the same problem. It seems to be a mistake that persisted through the years. The button marked band with up and down arrows really is frequency. You push the up arrow and the band goes down. Press down arrow and band goes up. It would be nice to have this fixed in the K3. No hope for other radios. Right now I have a white sticky label with freq on it pasted over the band marking. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Band button
On Sat, 5 Jul 2008 04:11:59 -0700 (PDT), K3KO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This isn't just the K3. Other radios have the same problem. It seems to be a mistake that persisted through the years. The button marked band with up and down arrows really is frequency. You push the up arrow and the band goes down. Press down arrow and band goes up. It would be nice to have this fixed in the K3. No hope for other radios. Right now I have a white sticky label with freq on it pasted over the band marking. 73 de Brian/K3KO I would be very confused by your change, but do see what you mean. I looked at my drake R7 and see that the BAND switch on it doesn't have any band labels on it; Only frequency ranges. It seems that Drake shared your thoughts there, but Drake radios were made for any frequency between .5Mhz and 30Mhz, so their labeling on their radios seems appropriate to me. 73, Tom, N5GE - SWOT 3537 - Grid EM12jq Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety deserve neither Liberty nor Safety An excerpt from a letter written in 1755 from the Assembly to the Governor of Pennsylvania. Support the entire Constitution, not just the parts you like. http://www.n5ge.com http://www.eQSL.cc/Member.cfm?N5GE ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
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Please Elecraft, leave the Band Button the way it is now. Phil K7PB - Original Message - From: Don Wilhelm [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the situation that has been around since dirt was young. The bands are usually referred to in terms of their wavelength (meters). Most people automatically think of 20 meters as being 'higher' than 30 meters because the frequency is higher ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Band button
On Sat, 5 Jul 2008 04:11:59 -0700 (PDT), K3KO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This isn't just the K3. Other radios have the same problem. It seems to be a mistake that persisted through the years. The button marked band with up and down arrows really is frequency. You push the up arrow and the band goes down. Press down arrow and band goes up. It would be nice to have this fixed in the K3. No hope for other radios. Right now I have a white sticky label with freq on it pasted over the band marking. 73 de Brian/K3KO Now that I think of it the label on a button that worked the way you would like it to be would be labeled Wavelength. That would put 160m at the top and 6m at the bottom. Please don't do that Elecraft. Tom, N5GE - SWOT 3537 - Grid EM12jq Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety deserve neither Liberty nor Safety An excerpt from a letter written in 1755 from the Assembly to the Governor of Pennsylvania. Support the entire Constitution, not just the parts you like. http://www.n5ge.com http://www.eQSL.cc/Member.cfm?N5GE ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Band button
K3KO wrote: This isn't just the K3. Other radios have the same problem. It seems to be a mistake that persisted through the years. The button marked band with up and down arrows really is frequency. You push the up arrow and the band goes down. Press down arrow and band goes up. It would be nice to have this fixed in the K3. No hope for other radios. Right now I have a white sticky label with freq on it pasted over the band marking. As Don said, back when dirt was young [and I can almost but not quite remember that], everything was in wavelength. The Holy Wavelength was 600 meters. So as you went down in frequency, you were going up in wavelength, hence 1.8 mc = 160 m = Top Band. By the time I became KN6DGW [1953], the bands were still noted in wavelength [and still are], about half the people used terminology like 10 is going dead, I think I'll head 'down' to 20, and the other half would say, I'm going 'down' to 10 and see if it's open. By the time I found myself on 600 meters ['56-'57], the Holy Wavelength had mostly become the Holy Frequency [500 kcs], and most everyone on the ham bands thought 10m was above 20m. I have my K2 and K3 so it doesn't matter, but if I didn't and was waiting for it and had a vote, I'd vote for it the way it is. For me, 20m is not a number on a wavelength scale, it's the name of a band, just like the alternate name of 75m in the evening is The Medical Band. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 2008 Cal QSO Party 4-5 Oct 08 - www.cqp.org ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Band button
Gosh, How the true origin of names get lost with time is amazing. Bands were named after their approximate wavelength. They weren't pulled out of a hat. One can probably find a question related to this in a 1950's vintage Novice exam. Also people have forgotten that the so called low band DXing phrase alway had a (frequency) implied after the low. I'm really surprised that this post has drawn such negative comments. After all if the width control were backwards or the shift knob went the wrong way, people would be screaming to have it fixed. 73 de Brian/K3KO Tom Childers, N5GE wrote: On Sat, 5 Jul 2008 04:11:59 -0700 (PDT), K3KO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This isn't just the K3. Other radios have the same problem. It seems to be a mistake that persisted through the years. The button marked band with up and down arrows really is frequency. You push the up arrow and the band goes down. Press down arrow and band goes up. It would be nice to have this fixed in the K3. No hope for other radios. Right now I have a white sticky label with freq on it pasted over the band marking. 73 de Brian/K3KO Now that I think of it the label on a button that worked the way you would like it to be would be labeled Wavelength. That would put 160m at the top and 6m at the bottom. Please don't do that Elecraft. Tom, N5GE - SWOT 3537 - Grid EM12jq Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety deserve neither Liberty nor Safety An excerpt from a letter written in 1755 from the Assembly to the Governor of Pennsylvania. Support the entire Constitution, not just the parts you like. http://www.n5ge.com http://www.eQSL.cc/Member.cfm?N5GE ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Band-button-tp18291244p18296844.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] Band button
K3KO wrote: This isn't just the K3. Other radios have the same problem. It seems to be a mistake that persisted through the years. The button marked band with up and down arrows really is frequency. You push the up arrow and the band goes down. Press down arrow and band goes up. It would be nice to have this fixed in the K3. No hope for other radios. Right now I have a white sticky label with freq on it pasted over the band marking. Nowhere is it written that the bands assigned to the Amateur service must be referred to by wavelength. Indeed, here in the USA, our FCC refers to the slices of spectrum we're assigned as Frequency Bands, not Wavelength Bands. The K3 button markings and their behaviors are perfectly correct: Push the UP arrow and the radio switches to the next higher frequency band (except where it 'rolls over' at the highest frequency band). The K3 would be incorrect if the readout was in wavelength. Picture, instead of 7.0 MHz on the LCD you saw 42827.494 meters. If that happened, the UP/DOWN button would be working backwards. (Quick, what's the upper frequency limit on the 75 meter band?. It's 74948.1145 meters. Aw... Lets stay with Hz) Ron AC7AC ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
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In a message dated 7/5/08 6:25:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Nowhere is it written that the bands assigned to the Amateur service must be referred to by wavelength. Agreed. Indeed, here in the USA, our FCC refers to the slices of spectrum we're assigned as Frequency Bands, not Wavelength Bands. Actually, both terms are used by FCC. I just checked Part 97, and the terms are used almost interchangeably. For example, the title of 97.301 is Authorized Frequency Bands. But when you look at the charts which tell who can operate where in what region, the leftmost column is labeled Wavelength Bands. Even odder, FCC refers to 3.5-3.6 MHz as 80 meters and 3.6-4.0 MHz as 75 meters as if they were not right next to each other. I am not making this up. When I first heard about it, I thought my leg was being pulled, so I went and checked. 73 es yes it's trivia, but it's my trivia de Jim, N2EY ** Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut000507) ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Band button
Yeah, anyhow . there are other things that really need to be fixed before cosmetic stuff like that! - Original Message - From: PhilB [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2008 3:50 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Band button Please Elecraft, leave the Band Button the way it is now. Phil K7PB - Original Message - From: Don Wilhelm [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the situation that has been around since dirt was young. The bands are usually referred to in terms of their wavelength (meters). Most people automatically think of 20 meters as being 'higher' than 30 meters because the frequency is higher ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Band button
Don't fix mine. 73, Jim - Original Message - From: hank k8dd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PhilB [EMAIL PROTECTED]; elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2008 5:51 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Band button Yeah, anyhow . there are other things that really need to be fixed before cosmetic stuff like that! - Original Message - From: PhilB [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2008 3:50 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Band button Please Elecraft, leave the Band Button the way it is now. Phil K7PB - Original Message - From: Don Wilhelm [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the situation that has been around since dirt was young. The bands are usually referred to in terms of their wavelength (meters). Most people automatically think of 20 meters as being 'higher' than 30 meters because the frequency is higher ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Band button
Sorry for the added bandwidth but for worry of the rig getting broken I vote to no have a fix implemented. In my mind I consider the 20 meter band below the 10 meter band. So yes when I press DOWN on a band switch I expect to go to lower frequencies. I'm sure there are many who think I'm dumb for it but I do believe that the 20 meter band is BELOW the 10 meter band. On Sat, 2008-07-05 at 12:54 +, Brian Alsop wrote: Don , I agree we think in bands. That's why the band button arrows ought to do the right thing. Here is the situation now: I want to go from 20 to 10 meters. I have to press the DOWN button to go from 10 --20. Doesn't makes sense by any thought process. Last I knew they still teach counting UP as 0, 1, 2, 3 10 20. The DOWN arrow changes FREQUENCY down.That's why frequency is the right label. Sure it is a nit. However, more than half the time I end up going the wrong direction because I think in bands and conventional count directions.. 73 de Brian/K3KO Don Wilhelm wrote: Your lexicon must be quite different than mine. In my 54 years of association with ham radio, we have had Amateur Bands. Why would one want to label the device that changes between these bands as a frequency switch? The VFO changes frequency, the band switch changes bands. You are free to re-label yours -- just don't do the same to mine. 73, Don W3FPR K3KO wrote: This isn't just the K3. Other radios have the same problem. It seems to be a mistake that persisted through the years. The button marked band with up and down arrows really is frequency. You push the up arrow and the band goes down. Press down arrow and band goes up. It would be nice to have this fixed in the K3. No hope for other radios. Right now I have a white sticky label with freq on it pasted over the band marking. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Band button
My vote is for the VFO displays to be in wavelength (YARDS, FEET and INCHES) with an option for frequency in ROMAN NUMERALS! Now, back to normal service. 73 and enjoy Tony Fegan VE3QF K3 #137 Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: K3KO wrote: This isn't just the K3. Other radios have the same problem. It seems to be a mistake that persisted through the years. The button marked band with up and down arrows really is frequency. Nowhere is it written that the bands assigned to the Amateur service must be referred to by wavelength. * The K3 would be incorrect if the readout was in wavelength. Picture, instead of 7.0 MHz on the LCD you saw 42827.494 meters. If that happened, the UP/DOWN button would be working backwards. (Quick, what's the upper frequency limit on the 75 meter band?. It's 74948.1145 meters. Aw... Lets stay with Hz) Ron AC7AC ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Band button
My vote is for the VFO displays to be in wavelength (YARDS, FEET and INCHES) with an option for frequency in ROMAN NUMERALS! Only the VFO B can display in roman numerals. We can't do M, V or X in VFO A. And we'll use furlongs for wavelength. The audible feedback from the DVR option will be in Latin in the form of a Gregorian chant. For those who prefer frequency in this mode, the reference won't be in Hertz, but in cycles per fortnight. This is a great Forum... 73, Lyle KK7P ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Band button
On Jul 5, 2008, at 7:11 PM, Lyle Johnson wrote: For those who prefer frequency in this mode, the reference won't be in Hertz, but in cycles per fortnight. This is a great Forum... Yes, it is, to go with a great rig. But I would prefer the frequency to be in natural units, i.e. radians per second. 73 Rick Dettinger K7MW ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
