[Elecraft] Codec on the K3s
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Re: [Elecraft] CODEC
But if they want to install a third party time sync program they are better off installing W3HCF's definitive implementation of the NTP protocol, rather than a program that was, I believe, really designed for Windows 3.1/95. In 06/10/18 21:15, Larry (K8UT) wrote: The user has two choices: use Regedit and mess with the Windows registry to reduce the interval; or install a time sync program. For most, the second option is easier. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Except, again, MS hacked NTP years ago to lose accuracy to assist their sloppy legacy networking, with the results being that it's considered 'good' if within several MINUTES. This could explain why some FT8 users are lagging by a second or two, which is fatal for decoding (plus it's not 'on' by default). If it works for you, great, it's not by design. Add the new NTP program over it (Dimension 4, Meinburg) and you never have to remember to update before playing, plus it's accurate within .02 or less seconds. The other (minor) bonus is that these provide tracking so when you boot, the median error is already known so you're accurate more quickly. For me, simple just ROCKS. Rick nhc On 10/6/2018 1:39 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote: Or if you will, when you sit down to operate, go to Windows Time and Date and update the time. More than adequately accurate for several hours of operation. Bob, K4TAX Sent from my iPhone On Oct 6, 2018, at 3:15 PM, Larry (K8UT) wrote: David There should be very little reason to use Dimension 4 There is often a significant gap between Theory and Practice, and such is the case with using Windows as a self-regulated timepiece. True, Windows is a well behaved ntp client, but the default interval for Windows "phoning home" to resync is 7 days. In 7 days my PC has drifted so far that FT8 operation is impossible. The user has two choices: use Regedit and mess with the Windows registry to reduce the interval; or install a time sync program. For most, the second option is easier. -larry (K8UT) -- Original Message -- From: "David Woolley" To: "Mike Greenway" ; elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: 2018-10-06 08:27:19 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] CODEC There should be very little reason to use Dimension 4, with step updates at fixed intervals. The full implementation of ntpd is available for all the Windows NT family, i.e. everything after Windows 95, and versions or w32time that can be configured to implement the older version of NTP have been supplied with Windows since at least Windows XP. The standard ntpd always works by managing clock frequency, so there are no abrupt time steps unless something has gone sufficiently wrong to result in a step of at least 200ms. w32time can be configured to work that way, although generally installing the standard (reference) version of ntpd is preferred. (ntpd can be configured to almost never step the time.) Although Windows is not a good platform for time keeping, both these approaches ought to produce times accurate to about 20ms, and only slowly changing with time. In some circumstances, Linux can produce several orders of magnitude better results. On 04/10/18 22:32, Mike Greenway wrote: As previously posted the problem had nothing to do with CODEC or the K3S. Problem turned out to be the time update of the computer by Dimension 4. I had it set for updates every 1 sec as I didn’t think that was a problem. I now have it set for 30 Mins and probably and hour would not hurt anything as every 15 secs it does about .049 correction on my computer. I don’t think it is abnormal for the Rates on WSJT-10 to jump out of range when a time update is done to the computer. Something you cant see on WSJT-X or JTDX. Thanks to all that wrote with suggestions, all of them good. 73 Mike K4PI __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k...@charter.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to rmcg...@blomand.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to wa6...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] CODEC
On 2018-10-06 4:15 PM, Larry (K8UT) wrote: The user has two choices: use Regedit and mess with the Windows registry to reduce the interval; or install a time sync program. For most, the second option is easier. Actually, there is a third option ... install a proper NTP service like Meinberg NTP to replace the Windows NTP client. Once Meinberg is installed and configured, Windows time never drifts more than a fraction of a millisecond. 73, ... Joe, W4TV __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Or if you will, when you sit down to operate, go to Windows Time and Date and update the time. More than adequately accurate for several hours of operation. Bob, K4TAX Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 6, 2018, at 3:15 PM, Larry (K8UT) wrote: > > David > > >There should be very little reason to use Dimension 4 > There is often a significant gap between Theory and Practice, and such is the > case with using Windows as a self-regulated timepiece. True, Windows is a > well behaved ntp client, but the default interval for Windows "phoning home" > to resync is 7 days. In 7 days my PC has drifted so far that FT8 operation is > impossible. > > The user has two choices: use Regedit and mess with the Windows registry to > reduce the interval; or install a time sync program. For most, the second > option is easier. > > -larry (K8UT) > > -- Original Message -- > From: "David Woolley" > To: "Mike Greenway" ; elecraft@mailman.qth.net > Sent: 2018-10-06 08:27:19 > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] CODEC > >> There should be very little reason to use Dimension 4, with step updates at >> fixed intervals. The full implementation of ntpd is available for all the >> Windows NT family, i.e. everything after Windows 95, and versions or w32time >> that can be configured to implement the older version of NTP have been >> supplied with Windows since at least Windows XP. >> >> The standard ntpd always works by managing clock frequency, so there are no >> abrupt time steps unless something has gone sufficiently wrong to result in >> a step of at least 200ms. w32time can be configured to work that way, >> although generally installing the standard (reference) version of ntpd is >> preferred. (ntpd can be configured to almost never step the time.) >> >> Although Windows is not a good platform for time keeping, both these >> approaches ought to produce times accurate to about 20ms, and only slowly >> changing with time. In some circumstances, Linux can produce several orders >> of magnitude better results. >> >> >>> On 04/10/18 22:32, Mike Greenway wrote: >>> As previously posted the problem had nothing to do with CODEC or the K3S. >>> Problem turned out to be the time update of the computer by Dimension 4. I >>> had it set for updates every 1 sec as I didn’t think that was a problem. I >>> now have it set for 30 Mins and probably and hour would not hurt anything >>> as every 15 secs it does about .049 correction on my computer. I don’t >>> think it is abnormal for the Rates on WSJT-10 to jump out of range when a >>> time update is done to the computer. Something you cant see on WSJT-X or >>> JTDX. Thanks to all that wrote with suggestions, all of them good. 73 >>> Mike K4PI >>> >> >> >> __ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to k...@charter.net > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rmcg...@blomand.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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David >There should be very little reason to use Dimension 4 There is often a significant gap between Theory and Practice, and such is the case with using Windows as a self-regulated timepiece. True, Windows is a well behaved ntp client, but the default interval for Windows "phoning home" to resync is 7 days. In 7 days my PC has drifted so far that FT8 operation is impossible. The user has two choices: use Regedit and mess with the Windows registry to reduce the interval; or install a time sync program. For most, the second option is easier. -larry (K8UT) -- Original Message -- From: "David Woolley" To: "Mike Greenway" ; elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: 2018-10-06 08:27:19 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] CODEC There should be very little reason to use Dimension 4, with step updates at fixed intervals. The full implementation of ntpd is available for all the Windows NT family, i.e. everything after Windows 95, and versions or w32time that can be configured to implement the older version of NTP have been supplied with Windows since at least Windows XP. The standard ntpd always works by managing clock frequency, so there are no abrupt time steps unless something has gone sufficiently wrong to result in a step of at least 200ms. w32time can be configured to work that way, although generally installing the standard (reference) version of ntpd is preferred. (ntpd can be configured to almost never step the time.) Although Windows is not a good platform for time keeping, both these approaches ought to produce times accurate to about 20ms, and only slowly changing with time. In some circumstances, Linux can produce several orders of magnitude better results. On 04/10/18 22:32, Mike Greenway wrote: As previously posted the problem had nothing to do with CODEC or the K3S. Problem turned out to be the time update of the computer by Dimension 4. I had it set for updates every 1 sec as I didn’t think that was a problem. I now have it set for 30 Mins and probably and hour would not hurt anything as every 15 secs it does about .049 correction on my computer. I don’t think it is abnormal for the Rates on WSJT-10 to jump out of range when a time update is done to the computer. Something you cant see on WSJT-X or JTDX. Thanks to all that wrote with suggestions, all of them good. 73 Mike K4PI __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k...@charter.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] CODEC
There should be very little reason to use Dimension 4, with step updates at fixed intervals. The full implementation of ntpd is available for all the Windows NT family, i.e. everything after Windows 95, and versions or w32time that can be configured to implement the older version of NTP have been supplied with Windows since at least Windows XP. The standard ntpd always works by managing clock frequency, so there are no abrupt time steps unless something has gone sufficiently wrong to result in a step of at least 200ms. w32time can be configured to work that way, although generally installing the standard (reference) version of ntpd is preferred. (ntpd can be configured to almost never step the time.) Although Windows is not a good platform for time keeping, both these approaches ought to produce times accurate to about 20ms, and only slowly changing with time. In some circumstances, Linux can produce several orders of magnitude better results. On 04/10/18 22:32, Mike Greenway wrote: As previously posted the problem had nothing to do with CODEC or the K3S. Problem turned out to be the time update of the computer by Dimension 4. I had it set for updates every 1 sec as I didn’t think that was a problem. I now have it set for 30 Mins and probably and hour would not hurt anything as every 15 secs it does about .049 correction on my computer. I don’t think it is abnormal for the Rates on WSJT-10 to jump out of range when a time update is done to the computer. Something you cant see on WSJT-X or JTDX. Thanks to all that wrote with suggestions, all of them good. 73 Mike K4PI __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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We've turned into a society of blame "someone or something" else. We need to more frequently look in the mirror. Otherwise, when pointing the finger of blame, look down, there's 3 pointing at the most likely source. Bob, K4TAX Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 4, 2018, at 6:10 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: > > It seems to be standard human nature that, when something that was working > fails, we all gravitate to the worst possible cause [hardest to fix, most > costly, etc]. It used to be said that what you want when something fails is > a tiny little fire over in a corner of the chassis. Tells you where to look. > > 73, > > Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW > Sparks NV DM09dn > Washoe County > >> On 10/4/2018 3:15 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote: >> Thank you Don. Over and over again, I've said "what did you do last, before >> you broke it?" Well then, go undo that. >> >> 73 >> >> Bob, K4TAX > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rmcg...@blomand.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Bob has clearly identified one of the classics. My favorite came from a tech support person working with an old batch mode computer. The dialog goes: "I didn't change anything." "Why did you run it again?" 73 Bill AE6JV On 10/4/18 at 3:15 PM, rmcg...@blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX) wrote: Thank you Don. Over and over again, I've said "what did you do last, before you broke it?" Well then, go undo that. --- Bill Frantz|Security, like correctness, is| Periwinkle (408)356-8506 |not an add-on feature. - Attr-| 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com |ibuted to Andrew Tanenbaum| Los Gatos, CA 95032 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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You had your computer set up to update the clock EVERY SECOND! WOW!!! I have mine set up to sync the clock every 5 hours and worried I had borderline CDO behavior. For the uninformed please note that CDO is Obsessive Compulsive Disorder with the acronym arranged in correct alphabetical order which simply must be done if one is to be obsessively compulsive IMHO. 73, Joe, W8JH - 73, Joe, W8JH K3 1713, KPA 132, KX3 7498 -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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It seems to be standard human nature that, when something that was working fails, we all gravitate to the worst possible cause [hardest to fix, most costly, etc]. It used to be said that what you want when something fails is a tiny little fire over in a corner of the chassis. Tells you where to look. 73, Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW Sparks NV DM09dn Washoe County On 10/4/2018 3:15 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote: Thank you Don. Over and over again, I've said "what did you do last, before you broke it?" Well then, go undo that. 73 Bob, K4TAX __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Thank you Don. Over and over again, I've said "what did you do last, before you broke it?" Well then, go undo that. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 10/4/2018 5:03 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: Mike, It is not unusual at all for things to "get jumpy" when the computer is busy doing some frequent task. Why do we always blame the radio first. In this day of digital stuff with a computer involved, 90% of the time the problem is with the computer or the settings in your application. 73, Don W3FPR On 10/4/2018 5:32 PM, Mike Greenway wrote: As previously posted the problem had nothing to do with CODEC or the K3S. Problem turned out to be the time update of the computer by Dimension 4. I had it set for updates every 1 sec as I didn’t think that was a problem. I now have it set for 30 Mins and probably and hour would not hurt anything as every 15 secs it does about .049 correction on my computer. I don’t think it is abnormal for the Rates on WSJT-10 to jump out of range when a time update is done to the computer. Something you cant see on WSJT-X or JTDX. Thanks to all that wrote with suggestions, all of them good. 73 Mike K4PI __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to rmcg...@blomand.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Mike, It is not unusual at all for things to "get jumpy" when the computer is busy doing some frequent task. Why do we always blame the radio first. In this day of digital stuff with a computer involved, 90% of the time the problem is with the computer or the settings in your application. 73, Don W3FPR On 10/4/2018 5:32 PM, Mike Greenway wrote: As previously posted the problem had nothing to do with CODEC or the K3S. Problem turned out to be the time update of the computer by Dimension 4. I had it set for updates every 1 sec as I didn’t think that was a problem. I now have it set for 30 Mins and probably and hour would not hurt anything as every 15 secs it does about .049 correction on my computer. I don’t think it is abnormal for the Rates on WSJT-10 to jump out of range when a time update is done to the computer. Something you cant see on WSJT-X or JTDX. Thanks to all that wrote with suggestions, all of them good. 73 Mike K4PI __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Elecraft] CODEC
As previously posted the problem had nothing to do with CODEC or the K3S. Problem turned out to be the time update of the computer by Dimension 4. I had it set for updates every 1 sec as I didn’t think that was a problem. I now have it set for 30 Mins and probably and hour would not hurt anything as every 15 secs it does about .049 correction on my computer. I don’t think it is abnormal for the Rates on WSJT-10 to jump out of range when a time update is done to the computer. Something you cant see on WSJT-X or JTDX. Thanks to all that wrote with suggestions, all of them good. 73 Mike K4PI __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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On 10/3/2018 8:23 PM, Neil Zampella wrote: > I had heard anecdotal stories about Xfinity modems and ethernet > connections to non-computer equipment. I actually had one customer who > had the problem, I took a spare Linksys router, and connected it between > the Xfinity modem, and the equipment, and that fixed the issue for my > customer. I basically turned off the Xfinity WiFi, installed a top of > the line Linksys AC-1900 router, and all the ethernet, and wireless > connections go through that, and he's not seen the issue since. My last word: I bought into the XFinity "X1" program and connected their super-modem and tried to make it work with my LAN. I detected security holes in their "instant hotspot" provision that would violate my company's insistence of tight firewalls and hard-wire Ethernet for any off-premises system carrying company information no matter how small. The upshot is that I returned their modem, bought my own Arris (Motorola) modem meeting their compatibility specs, and continued to use my existing Netgear VPN router. It paid for itself wirhin a year. Problem solved. 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Mike, I had heard anecdotal stories about Xfinity modems and ethernet connections to non-computer equipment. I actually had one customer who had the problem, I took a spare Linksys router, and connected it between the Xfinity modem, and the equipment, and that fixed the issue for my customer. I basically turned off the Xfinity WiFi, installed a top of the line Linksys AC-1900 router, and all the ethernet, and wireless connections go through that, and he's not seen the issue since. As usual YMMV ... :) Neil, KN3ILZ On 10/2/2018 9:04 PM, Mike Greenway wrote: Well the good news is that the K3S has nothing to do with my Rate In/Out numbers jumping out of range. The reason I say that is I was watching the WSJT-10 program with the K3S powered off and the were still jumping out of range. When seeing that I decided to check the analog audio again and couldnt believe it is jumping also. Something has gone off the rails in the computer arena. I disconnected everything from the machine today and found that anytime I have the Ethernet cable to the computer from the Xfinity router/modem connected the Rates start jumping randomly and sometimes out of range. I changed the ethernet cable but not help. Just for drill I put some torrids on each end with no change. I am thinking of seeing if Xfinity will swap out the router/modem. The numbers do not necessarily jump when there is traffic on the ethernet rx or tx so not sure how that is causing the audio Rates to jump. I have no other clues right now but guess this case can be closed on the Elecraft reflector as this has nothing to do with the K3S. Thanks to all those that emailed me.. 73 Mike K4PI --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Jim, I use PTT with both my K2 and my KX3, its just one additional USB connection to the PC. The other is to my external USB soundcard which does audio for both. Neil, KN3ILZ On 10/2/2018 4:20 AM, Jim Brown wrote: On 10/1/2018 10:47 PM, Rick WA6NHC wrote: While thousands may use VOX I'm one of those, and I've done it for many years with everything from RTTY to SSB to FT8, JT65, JT9, and MSK144. It works VERY well. It's one less connection to worry about, and it works fine. I do a LOT of contesting, and a wild guess is that I've done at least 20,00 QSOs this way. If you WANT to use PTT, be my guest, but you're adding un-necessary complication to your setup. 73, Jim K9YC --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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You could always create something in Python, to have the computer read and save the current rig settings you will alter, then invoke whatever digimode software you use, then restore those radio settings to "normal" after you've done. There's lots of info out there regarding how to use serial ports etc from within Python. For rigs with a LAN port, it's even easier! That, and the excellent Elecraft user/programming manual are all you need, other than time. Python is an easy language to learn, OK, so not as simple as "Basic", but simple enough for first timers, and capable enough for more experienced types. Works in Windows and Linux (including the Pi of course) and probably on Mac's too. There are a host of developer tools out there, but a good cross platform editor that is Python (and other language) syntax aware editor, is "Geany". Very good. Regards. Dave G0WBX. On 02/10/18 03:36, elecraft-requ...@mailman.qth.net wrote: > I tried to use the K3S USB sound and got tired of the incessant need to fuss > with drive and VOX levels.? I requested many times for firmware that would > save > VOX settings by mode to no avail. (When I had another issue, Elecraft Support > actually told me that they didn't recommend VOX on digital modes.) -- Created on and sent from a Unix like PC running and using free and open source software. :: __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Elecraft] CODEC UPDATE & CLOSE
Well the good news is that the K3S has nothing to do with my Rate In/Out numbers jumping out of range. The reason I say that is I was watching the WSJT-10 program with the K3S powered off and the were still jumping out of range. When seeing that I decided to check the analog audio again and couldnt believe it is jumping also. Something has gone off the rails in the computer arena. I disconnected everything from the machine today and found that anytime I have the Ethernet cable to the computer from the Xfinity router/modem connected the Rates start jumping randomly and sometimes out of range. I changed the ethernet cable but not help. Just for drill I put some torrids on each end with no change. I am thinking of seeing if Xfinity will swap out the router/modem. The numbers do not necessarily jump when there is traffic on the ethernet rx or tx so not sure how that is causing the audio Rates to jump. I have no other clues right now but guess this case can be closed on the Elecraft reflector as this has nothing to do with the K3S. Thanks to all those that emailed me.. 73 Mike K4PI __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] CODEC
I bet Mike would appreciate getting back to his issue, which has nothing to do with VOX... Are you using a high end sound card/CODEC? If so it may just be that the internal CODEC - while quite good - is not up to snuff for this application. I'd also try using different USB cables, though that doesn't sound like it would be the problem. 73 jeff wk6i On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 8:49 AM, Mike Greenway wrote: > I have used for years a K3 on EME with WSJT using Line In/Out audio. > Recently got a K3S and I am now using USB (CODEC) audio in and out of the > radio. In WSJT-10 they have Rate In/Rate Out monitors that should normally > run at 1.000. Using the K3 analog audio these always stayed right on 1.000 > but now that I am using the USB audio they are jumping around quite often > and getting out of range indicated in WSJT with a red marker. I have tried > two different computers and the same result. I tried changing the sample > rate in the computer audio settings but no change in the problem. I plan > to go back to analog Line In/Out on the K3S unless someone has an idea on > how to settle down the Rate In/Out fluctuations. I have not found anything > in the K3S that might affect this. You can reply off line if you like. 73 > Mike K4PI > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wk6i.j...@gmail.com > -- Jeff Stai ~ WK6I ~ wk6i.j...@gmail.com Twisted Oak Winery ~ http://www.twistedoak.com/ Facebook ~ http://www.facebook.com/twistedoak RTTY op at W7RN __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] CODEC
Presuming Windows 10 (previous flavors are similar): 1) Right click the speaker icon, lower right; select "Open Sound Settings" 2) When that panel opens, click on "Sound Control Panel" 3) In playback or recording tab, select the device you want to change by double clicking it 4) In the advanced tab of that device; change the default format to single/dual channel(s) and the bit rates desired. 5) Ok your way back out, done. 6) Report back to the group. Mine are all defaulted to two audio channels, even though the mic inputs are typically mono only. What I've found is that the software for decoding digital modes, isn't usually refined enough to listen to two channels of audio, or just one channel of choice, so dual decoding (one channel per receiver) is a challenge. That isn't often needed for me, so it's not a huge issue. 73, Rick NHC On 10/2/2018 6:32 AM, Ed W0YK wrote: There must be a way to correct this, but I haven't found it. 73,Ed W0YK Origi __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] CODEC
My experience differs. When the K3S came out, I upgraded all my original K3 radios with all the available K3S parts. I've enjoyed the simplification of the digital audio and the elimination of the Serial-USB adapter. I seldom adjust the audio levels and certainly no more often than with the analog audio. Across a weekend RTTY contest there might be a few very minor adjustments from 10 thtough 80 meters. One annoyance is that the Windows level applet gives only mono adjustment for the K3 stereo LINE OUT but stereo adjustment for the mono LINE IN. It appears that Windows is choosing stereo Playback control for LINE IN and mono Recording control for LINE OUT. There must be a way to correct this, but I haven't found it. 73,Ed W0YK Original message From: Wes Stewart Date: 10/1/18 16:08 (GMT-05:00) To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] CODEC I had a K3 in service (now a spare) for about 8 years before getting a K3S. I didn't do WSJT but some RTTY and PSK using the Line In/Out into my Lenovo laptop internal sound card. Worked like a champ, started with zero and now have 255 countries on RTTY. I tried to use the K3S USB sound and got tired of the incessant need to fuss with drive and VOX levels. I requested many times for firmware that would save VOX settings by mode to no avail. (When I had another issue, Elecraft Support actually told me that they didn't recommend VOX on digital modes.) I've returned to using the analog audio in/out of the radio and the laptop sound card, which is higher quality anyway. (I have a TASCAM US-100, highly recommended by the resident audio guru, but haven't found it to be any advantage.) This also makes it easier to resort to the spare radio when necessary. Wes N7WS standing by for the flack from the faithful. On 10/1/2018 8:49 AM, Mike Greenway wrote: > I have used for years a K3 on EME with WSJT using Line In/Out audio. > Recently got a K3S and I am now using USB (CODEC) audio in and out of the > radio. In WSJT-10 they have Rate In/Rate Out monitors that should normally > run at 1.000. Using the K3 analog audio these always stayed right on 1.000 > but now that I am using the USB audio they are jumping around quite often and > getting out of range indicated in WSJT with a red marker. I have tried two > different computers and the same result. I tried changing the sample rate in > the computer audio settings but no change in the problem. I plan to go back > to analog Line In/Out on the K3S unless someone has an idea on how to settle > down the Rate In/Out fluctuations. I have not found anything in the K3S that > might affect this. You can reply off line if you like. 73 Mike K4PI __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to e...@w0yk.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] CODEC
I also use that same serial connection to enable the logging program to note the exact frequency in use at the time of the QSO, or to have the computer be able to QSY on a mouse click. It's not a complication, it's a convenience. In the case of FT8, the serial connection is THE way to operate split in DXpedition mode. Rick nhc On 10/2/2018 6:28 AM, Wes Stewart wrote: Yep On 10/2/2018 1:20 AM, Jim Brown wrote: On 10/1/2018 10:47 PM, Rick WA6NHC wrote: While thousands may use VOX I'm one of those, and I've done it for many years with everything from RTTY to SSB to FT8, JT65, JT9, and MSK144. It works VERY well. It's one less connection to worry about, and it works fine. I do a LOT of contesting, and a wild guess is that I've done at least 20,00 QSOs this way. If you WANT to use PTT, be my guest, but you're adding un-necessary complication to your setup. 73, Jim K9YC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to wa6...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] CODEC
Yep On 10/2/2018 1:20 AM, Jim Brown wrote: On 10/1/2018 10:47 PM, Rick WA6NHC wrote: While thousands may use VOX I'm one of those, and I've done it for many years with everything from RTTY to SSB to FT8, JT65, JT9, and MSK144. It works VERY well. It's one less connection to worry about, and it works fine. I do a LOT of contesting, and a wild guess is that I've done at least 20,00 QSOs this way. If you WANT to use PTT, be my guest, but you're adding un-necessary complication to your setup. 73, Jim K9YC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] CODEC
Good grief. I was discussing RTTY. Two tones separated by 170 Hz. Why make it so complicated? On 10/1/2018 10:47 PM, Rick WA6NHC wrote: While thousands may use VOX, at least thousands use PTT. One reason is that sound cards are rarely response flat, so the levels will change according to the frequency of the tone. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] CODEC
On 10/1/2018 10:47 PM, Rick WA6NHC wrote: While thousands may use VOX I'm one of those, and I've done it for many years with everything from RTTY to SSB to FT8, JT65, JT9, and MSK144. It works VERY well. It's one less connection to worry about, and it works fine. I do a LOT of contesting, and a wild guess is that I've done at least 20,00 QSOs this way. If you WANT to use PTT, be my guest, but you're adding un-necessary complication to your setup. 73, Jim K9YC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] CODEC
While thousands may use VOX, at least thousands use PTT. One reason is that sound cards are rarely response flat, so the levels will change according to the frequency of the tone. This means that the VOX may/not be activated by the current tone or may not hold if on the edge of the required level. If you never change the frequency of the tones (as in point and click PSK or by using FT8 in DXpedition/split mode) it may not be an issue for you. I've found it to be less reliable than PTT. I rarely use VOX at all (except on CW for full break in), if only to keep background noises (other radios for example) from making it complicated. Software PTT is not flaky. That is insulting to both the software authors and those that designed the radio to accept the PTT command. In point of fact, it's more reliable than VOX has been because it isn't level driven, just simply on or off. The issues you may have had with PTT could be the virtual ports often in play, it's a wonder those work at all. I use real serial ports, no sharing, using the KISS principle and have never had a software PTT issue. I also find real serial ports less RF sensitive (FAR easier to shield), therefore more reliable than USB which often locks up in the presence of strong RF. Rick nhc On 10/1/2018 4:42 PM, Wes Stewart wrote: The following is nothing personal. I use AFSK on RTTY. That's "Audio" FSK. On SSB, an audio mode, I like thousands of other folks, use VOX, not some flaky software PTT. Why on Earth when using a different audio mode should I have to use a different method of T/R switching, particularly when the audio signal is a constant level? Makes absolutely no sense to me. N7WS On 10/1/2018 3:42 PM, Tom wrote: No need for VOX, just use software PTT. Tom __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to wa6...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] CODEC
The following is nothing personal. I use AFSK on RTTY. That's "Audio" FSK. On SSB, an audio mode, I like thousands of other folks, use VOX, not some flaky software PTT. Why on Earth when using a different audio mode should I have to use a different method of T/R switching, particularly when the audio signal is a constant level? Makes absolutely no sense to me. N7WS On 10/1/2018 3:42 PM, Tom wrote: No need for VOX, just use software PTT. Tom __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] CODEC
Here's a possibility: RFI. Wrap your (all!) USB wires through some 2" diameter mix 31 ferrite cores. 7 or 8 turns will do fine. Don't run the codecs over a hub. Turn off all USB power savings as well. 73 Tom -Original Message- From: Mike Greenway Sent: Monday, October 1, 2018 11:49 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] CODEC I have used for years a K3 on EME with WSJT using Line In/Out audio. Recently got a K3S and I am now using USB (CODEC) audio in and out of the radio. In WSJT-10 they have Rate In/Rate Out monitors that should normally run at 1.000. Using the K3 analog audio these always stayed right on 1.000 but now that I am using the USB audio they are jumping around quite often and getting out of range indicated in WSJT with a red marker. I have tried two different computers and the same result. I tried changing the sample rate in the computer audio settings but no change in the problem. I plan to go back to analog Line In/Out on the K3S unless someone has an idea on how to settle down the Rate In/Out fluctuations. I have not found anything in the K3S that might affect this. You can reply off line if you like. 73 Mike K4PI __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tom...@videotron.ca --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] CODEC
No need for VOX, just use software PTT. Tom -Original Message- From: Wes Stewart Sent: Monday, October 1, 2018 4:08 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] CODEC I had a K3 in service (now a spare) for about 8 years before getting a K3S. I didn't do WSJT but some RTTY and PSK using the Line In/Out into my Lenovo laptop internal sound card. Worked like a champ, started with zero and now have 255 countries on RTTY. I tried to use the K3S USB sound and got tired of the incessant need to fuss with drive and VOX levels. I requested many times for firmware that would save VOX settings by mode to no avail. (When I had another issue, Elecraft Support actually told me that they didn't recommend VOX on digital modes.) I've returned to using the analog audio in/out of the radio and the laptop sound card, which is higher quality anyway. (I have a TASCAM US-100, highly recommended by the resident audio guru, but haven't found it to be any advantage.) This also makes it easier to resort to the spare radio when necessary. Wes N7WS standing by for the flack from the faithful. On 10/1/2018 8:49 AM, Mike Greenway wrote: I have used for years a K3 on EME with WSJT using Line In/Out audio. Recently got a K3S and I am now using USB (CODEC) audio in and out of the radio. In WSJT-10 they have Rate In/Rate Out monitors that should normally run at 1.000. Using the K3 analog audio these always stayed right on 1.000 but now that I am using the USB audio they are jumping around quite often and getting out of range indicated in WSJT with a red marker. I have tried two different computers and the same result. I tried changing the sample rate in the computer audio settings but no change in the problem. I plan to go back to analog Line In/Out on the K3S unless someone has an idea on how to settle down the Rate In/Out fluctuations. I have not found anything in the K3S that might affect this. You can reply off line if you like. 73 Mike K4PI __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tom...@videotron.ca --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] CODEC
No flak, just a comment. I upgraded my K3 #00345 with available K3s bits. I use the USB interface for all K3<>PC communications, CAT and audio for digital modes. I use Logger32 with the internal hooks to MMTTY, MMVARI, 2-Tone and GRITTY. Logger32 receives logging broadcasts directly from wsjt-x (FT8) without the need for additional software and gives me full access to my logbook stats. FT8 decodes at -22dB are common. I use VOX only for CW, everything else is PTT driven, either PC or foot switch (SSB). All my data mode audio levels are balanced for TX level across the various applications, absolutely no fiddling with my K3 line levels are required. It can be done. I'm still using Win7. Regards, Mike VP8NO On 01/10/2018 17:08, Wes Stewart wrote: I had a K3 in service (now a spare) for about 8 years before getting a K3S. I didn't do WSJT but some RTTY and PSK using the Line In/Out into my Lenovo laptop internal sound card. Worked like a champ, started with zero and now have 255 countries on RTTY. I tried to use the K3S USB sound and got tired of the incessant need to fuss with drive and VOX levels. I requested many times for firmware that would save VOX settings by mode to no avail. (When I had another issue, Elecraft Support actually told me that they didn't recommend VOX on digital modes.) I've returned to using the analog audio in/out of the radio and the laptop sound card, which is higher quality anyway. (I have a TASCAM US-100, highly recommended by the resident audio guru, but haven't found it to be any advantage.) This also makes it easier to resort to the spare radio when necessary. Wes N7WS standing by for the flack from the faithful. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] CODEC
I had a K3 in service (now a spare) for about 8 years before getting a K3S. I didn't do WSJT but some RTTY and PSK using the Line In/Out into my Lenovo laptop internal sound card. Worked like a champ, started with zero and now have 255 countries on RTTY. I tried to use the K3S USB sound and got tired of the incessant need to fuss with drive and VOX levels. I requested many times for firmware that would save VOX settings by mode to no avail. (When I had another issue, Elecraft Support actually told me that they didn't recommend VOX on digital modes.) I've returned to using the analog audio in/out of the radio and the laptop sound card, which is higher quality anyway. (I have a TASCAM US-100, highly recommended by the resident audio guru, but haven't found it to be any advantage.) This also makes it easier to resort to the spare radio when necessary. Wes N7WS standing by for the flack from the faithful. On 10/1/2018 8:49 AM, Mike Greenway wrote: I have used for years a K3 on EME with WSJT using Line In/Out audio. Recently got a K3S and I am now using USB (CODEC) audio in and out of the radio. In WSJT-10 they have Rate In/Rate Out monitors that should normally run at 1.000. Using the K3 analog audio these always stayed right on 1.000 but now that I am using the USB audio they are jumping around quite often and getting out of range indicated in WSJT with a red marker. I have tried two different computers and the same result. I tried changing the sample rate in the computer audio settings but no change in the problem. I plan to go back to analog Line In/Out on the K3S unless someone has an idea on how to settle down the Rate In/Out fluctuations. I have not found anything in the K3S that might affect this. You can reply off line if you like. 73 Mike K4PI __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] CODEC
I’ve had zero issues with WSJT-X over HRD and now that the logging hooks were added to HRD, no more importing logs (or a third party program to link logs) is required. It just works. Rick WA6NHC Smell Czech correction happen > On Oct 1, 2018, at 12:42 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote: > > While I use both WSJT-X, V1.9.1, and HRD, I allow WSJT to create and save > its own log. Then I transfer the entries from the WSJT log to my other log > system. That then uploads the selected entries to LOTW.I've more often > than not found that if I allow one software to run within or under another > software, there's just two many cooks in the kitchen tasting the pot. In > other words, I run WSJT as a stand a lone application and do not have any > conflicts. The operating system is a current version of Windows 10 with all > of their updates. > > As suggestions, I would open WSJT as a stand a lone and see if it connects to > the rig and operates correctly. Then close WSJT and open HRD using one of > its modes, i.e. PSK-31, and see if it operates correctly.If so on both, > and mine does, then there is no specific issue with either application or the > computer or the radio. I use the USB communication with my K3S. Then with > both applications running I find is the area where the hand shake is > supported to occur but indeed a fist fight breaks out. That says HRD will > need to be update in order for Windows 10 to handle the activity. The bottom > line, when Microsoft updates Windows 10, all other application software is > likely in need of an update as well. > > Good luck in resolving the issue. > > 73 > > Bob, K4TAX > > >> On 10/1/2018 12:36 PM, ROBERT MUELLER wrote: >> Mike, I would be interested in what you find. Since Microsoft and then HRD >> did upgrades I have not been able to get WSJT to work with HRD and my K3S, >> therefore, the logging from FT* to HRD will not work. When I try to set >> things up I get a message: Hamlib error: IO error while opening connection >> to rig. I am running a USB cable which worked fine until all the upgrades. >> Very interested in what you find. >> Bob, k8...@comcast.net >>> On October 1, 2018 at 11:49 AM Mike Greenway wrote: >>> >>> >>> I have used for years a K3 on EME with WSJT using Line In/Out audio. >>> Recently got a K3S and I am now using USB (CODEC) audio in and out of the >>> radio. In WSJT-10 they have Rate In/Rate Out monitors that should normally >>> run at 1.000. Using the K3 analog audio these always stayed right on 1.000 >>> but now that I am using the USB audio they are jumping around quite often >>> and getting out of range indicated in WSJT with a red marker. I have tried >>> two different computers and the same result. I tried changing the sample >>> rate in the computer audio settings but no change in the problem. I plan >>> to go back to analog Line In/Out on the K3S unless someone has an idea on >>> how to settle down the Rate In/Out fluctuations. I have not found anything >>> in the K3S that might affect this. You can reply off line if you like. 73 >>> Mike K4PI >>> __ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to k8...@comcast.net >> __ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to rmcg...@blomand.net >> > > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wa6...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] CODEC
While I use both WSJT-X, V1.9.1, and HRD, I allow WSJT to create and save its own log. Then I transfer the entries from the WSJT log to my other log system. That then uploads the selected entries to LOTW. I've more often than not found that if I allow one software to run within or under another software, there's just two many cooks in the kitchen tasting the pot. In other words, I run WSJT as a stand a lone application and do not have any conflicts. The operating system is a current version of Windows 10 with all of their updates. As suggestions, I would open WSJT as a stand a lone and see if it connects to the rig and operates correctly. Then close WSJT and open HRD using one of its modes, i.e. PSK-31, and see if it operates correctly. If so on both, and mine does, then there is no specific issue with either application or the computer or the radio. I use the USB communication with my K3S. Then with both applications running I find is the area where the hand shake is supported to occur but indeed a fist fight breaks out. That says HRD will need to be update in order for Windows 10 to handle the activity. The bottom line, when Microsoft updates Windows 10, all other application software is likely in need of an update as well. Good luck in resolving the issue. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 10/1/2018 12:36 PM, ROBERT MUELLER wrote: Mike, I would be interested in what you find. Since Microsoft and then HRD did upgrades I have not been able to get WSJT to work with HRD and my K3S, therefore, the logging from FT* to HRD will not work. When I try to set things up I get a message: Hamlib error: IO error while opening connection to rig. I am running a USB cable which worked fine until all the upgrades. Very interested in what you find. Bob, k8...@comcast.net On October 1, 2018 at 11:49 AM Mike Greenway wrote: I have used for years a K3 on EME with WSJT using Line In/Out audio. Recently got a K3S and I am now using USB (CODEC) audio in and out of the radio. In WSJT-10 they have Rate In/Rate Out monitors that should normally run at 1.000. Using the K3 analog audio these always stayed right on 1.000 but now that I am using the USB audio they are jumping around quite often and getting out of range indicated in WSJT with a red marker. I have tried two different computers and the same result. I tried changing the sample rate in the computer audio settings but no change in the problem. I plan to go back to analog Line In/Out on the K3S unless someone has an idea on how to settle down the Rate In/Out fluctuations. I have not found anything in the K3S that might affect this. You can reply off line if you like. 73 Mike K4PI __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k8...@comcast.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to rmcg...@blomand.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] CODEC
Mike, I would be interested in what you find. Since Microsoft and then HRD did upgrades I have not been able to get WSJT to work with HRD and my K3S, therefore, the logging from FT* to HRD will not work. When I try to set things up I get a message: Hamlib error: IO error while opening connection to rig. I am running a USB cable which worked fine until all the upgrades. Very interested in what you find. Bob, k8...@comcast.net > On October 1, 2018 at 11:49 AM Mike Greenway wrote: > > > I have used for years a K3 on EME with WSJT using Line In/Out audio. > Recently got a K3S and I am now using USB (CODEC) audio in and out of the > radio. In WSJT-10 they have Rate In/Rate Out monitors that should normally > run at 1.000. Using the K3 analog audio these always stayed right on 1.000 > but now that I am using the USB audio they are jumping around quite often and > getting out of range indicated in WSJT with a red marker. I have tried two > different computers and the same result. I tried changing the sample rate in > the computer audio settings but no change in the problem. I plan to go back > to analog Line In/Out on the K3S unless someone has an idea on how to settle > down the Rate In/Out fluctuations. I have not found anything in the K3S that > might affect this. You can reply off line if you like. 73 Mike K4PI > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k8...@comcast.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Elecraft] CODEC
I have used for years a K3 on EME with WSJT using Line In/Out audio. Recently got a K3S and I am now using USB (CODEC) audio in and out of the radio. In WSJT-10 they have Rate In/Rate Out monitors that should normally run at 1.000. Using the K3 analog audio these always stayed right on 1.000 but now that I am using the USB audio they are jumping around quite often and getting out of range indicated in WSJT with a red marker. I have tried two different computers and the same result. I tried changing the sample rate in the computer audio settings but no change in the problem. I plan to go back to analog Line In/Out on the K3S unless someone has an idea on how to settle down the Rate In/Out fluctuations. I have not found anything in the K3S that might affect this. You can reply off line if you like. 73 Mike K4PI __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
