Re: [Elecraft] Digimodes what am I missing?
KSM is staffed by volunteers. I respect their skill and dedication, but professionals are paid. I expect these operators are retired professionals or former professionals. Morse is no longer a career path. Even the military has dropped Morse interception as a recognized skill. On the other hand, an architectural blacksmith can make a good living. Power supplies are necessary, but not interesting. That is a solved problem. On the other hand, there is some cool stuff happening in power transmission, like the DC projects in Germany. And responding to another message, ARQ is error-detecting, not error-correcting, but if you want to include that, then Morse was obsoleted as the state of the art in the 1950's rather than the 1960's. One of the purposes of the amateur service is "advancing skills in both the communication and technical phases of the art." I'm interested in advancing the technical stuff. wunder K6WRU On Mar 22, 2014, at 5:18 PM, Phil Kane wrote: > On 3/21/2014 8:39 AM, Walter Underwood wrote: > >> CW is neat as a hobby technology, but commercially, it is less >> relevant than blacksmithing. There are quite a few professional >> blacksmiths, but no professional CW operators. > > Oh?? See: www.radiomarine.org. Station KSM is banging away while I > sit here and type. It is a Public Coast Station open to commercial > marine traffic manned by professional CW operators. Some of them even > have ham licenses! > >> when I was studying EE at Rice, analog modes were about as interesting as >> power supplies. > > What do you think makes those "digital gadgets" run? Air? And where > does it comes from? The wall? > > My consulting engineering firm not only designs the microwave and data > transport systems for public safety communication of our clients, but > also the power systems necessary to keep them running in 24/7 service. > > It doesn't happen by magic. > > 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane (P.E.) > T2-0208 (one of the last 10 issued) > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wun...@wunderwood.org -- Walter Underwood wun...@wunderwood.org __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Digimodes what am I missing?
On 3/21/2014 9:32 AM, Walter Underwood wrote: > Automatic error correction is the real difference that makes modern > digital modes more effective than manual digital modes (Morse) or > send-and-pray digital modes (RTTY). 7-level error-correcting ARQ was in heavy commercial use in the 1950s. It did require duplex operation, though. As Wise King Solomon said "there is nothing new under the sun". 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 >From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Digimodes what am I missing?
On 3/21/2014 8:52 AM, Ross Primrose wrote: > I think you've underestimated by quite a bit. RTTY has been around > since the early '30s. And I'm still of the generation who could tune across the HF bands and pick out the simplex, multiplex, and multi-channel commercial circuits by ear. I worked in that slice of the industry just about the time that underseas cable and satellite circuits caused them to fall silent. I still hear the idle tones (RYs for the RTTY fans) in my dreams. -- 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Digimodes what am I missing?
On 3/21/2014 8:39 AM, Walter Underwood wrote: > CW is neat as a hobby technology, but commercially, it is less > relevant than blacksmithing. There are quite a few professional > blacksmiths, but no professional CW operators. Oh?? See: www.radiomarine.org. Station KSM is banging away while I sit here and type. It is a Public Coast Station open to commercial marine traffic manned by professional CW operators. Some of them even have ham licenses! > when I was studying EE at Rice, analog modes were about as interesting as > power supplies. What do you think makes those "digital gadgets" run? Air? And where does it comes from? The wall? My consulting engineering firm not only designs the microwave and data transport systems for public safety communication of our clients, but also the power systems necessary to keep them running in 24/7 service. It doesn't happen by magic. 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane (P.E.) T2-0208 (one of the last 10 issued) __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Digimodes what am I missing?
All you say rings true. I've never been a fan of the error-correcting modes because they tend to slow things down; my digi mode of choice is PSK31. The diversity of the hobby is one of its marvels and accounts for me to its staying power: Some years I operate more and some years I build more, and sometimes CW is great fun and sometimes not, Right now I'm building my second KX1 (the first was in 2003) and enjoying it immensely -- though it does occupy me operating position for a while. Elecraft has really contributed to the hobby. At the beginning of the century my K2 outperformed most commercial rigs, and 15 years later my K3 and KX3 do the same. And they -- Wayne, Eric, and Company -- show no signs of slowing down :-) 73, Phil w7ox On 3/21/14, 11:47 PM, F5vjc wrote: Well some great comments, it just shows what a diverse bunch of geeks we really are! To me a Radio Amateur is and always will be proficient in CW to some degree, it's part of our history. For me 100% copy using sophisticated error correcting Digimodes does not turn me on... quite the opposite. Fun modes to get going but interest soon wanes. Elecraft has for me put the real FUN back into Ham radio beginning with the K2 way back. 73 et ZUT, F5VJC :) __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Digimodes what am I missing?
Not going to try to convince anyone that likes CW that digital is "better". But it offers something different. I first started with psk-31 back a decade ago, then added JT44, then JT65 and other of the WSJT suite of digital programs mainly for eme with QRP transmit power (150w). I recently started playing on 80m with MT63, THOR22, and Olivia from the list on FLdigi so that I can take part in a state-wide emergency drill in remembrance of the 1964 Alaska Earthquake (50th anniversary on March 27). This was the second strongest earthquake in history (9.2) which lasted nearly 5-minutes and killed 130 people. For emergency messages text is best since there is less chance of error in relaying. Also you end up with a printed message that is easy to read. FLmsg has several of the ICS standard forms so really well suited for emcomm. you can compose the message on a form and just send the message (file). Also for a hearing impaired person it is much less stressful to use. I have been practising with 12w to an inverted-V with good signals. Ideal when the power company is broken and you only have a battery and maybe a hunk of wire. Next I will have to install a good RTTY program. 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubus...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Digimodes what am I missing?
Well some great comments, it just shows what a diverse bunch of geeks we really are! To me a Radio Amateur is and always will be proficient in CW to some degree, it's part of our history. For me 100% copy using sophisticated error correcting Digimodes does not turn me on... quite the opposite. Fun modes to get going but interest soon wanes. Also I don't like to listen to S9+ noise crushing CW, I actually like to hear the band noise. What does it for me is having the skill together with the superb receivers and equipment of today to dig out the weakest discernible signal and decode it in my head. Elecraft has for me put the real FUN back into Ham radio beginning with the K2 way back. I still have mine but now also the full K Line which I greatly appreciate. The highly configurable Elecraft gear together with continuous updates and enhancements is what keeps me hooked. I like tinkering, if it was switch on and forget it would soon become boring to me. Also I can and have, repaired and modified my Elecraft gear as needed, with excellent support always on hand. I should also state that the thrill of real Wireless communication is at the heart of Ham radio for me, HF of course via the ionosphere. To imagine the Op at the other end sending a single dit on a hand key and it arrives almost instantaneously in my receiver is still the magic of Wireless. Of course I appreciate all the wonderful programs that have been developed and the internet access we enjoy today, I use it all, it enhances my Ham radio but never replaces it. If I ever want 100% copy there are a plethora of chat methods available all dependent on that invisible infrastructure of course... 73 et ZUT, F5VJC :) On 21 March 2014 22:28, wrote: > On Fri, 21 Mar 2014 16:54:32 +0100, F5vjc wrote: > > > Hi Walter, yes I agree > > Nice job of trimming - NOT! :) > > Gary > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to foxfive@gmail.com > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Digimodes, what am I missing?
Greetings to the group, U agree...back when my son was young and just laid in his bassenett (=much more radio time), I used to have rag chew qso's quite often on 30 and 40 meters using psk rtty & Olivia. They are a number of hams looking to rag chew, so forget the macros and start typing away. If they respond macro free, that's great, and if not, send your 73 and call cq again. You'd be surprised at the amount of macro free qsos out there. Digi modes are nice when I don't want to disturb the test of the household in the late evenings as well. Enjoy the digital! 73 Steve KS6PD On Friday, March 21, 2014, Dave Barr wrote: > Denis, you may be missing the opportunity to start unique conversations > with hams you run across in the digital sub-bands. The worst that can > happen is that they will just give you a look at their macros. The best is > that they may start typing back. There are a number of operators who chew > the rag from time to time on 20 meter rtty, and I'm sure it occurs > sometimes on other modes and bands, except for the JT modes. > > > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Digimodes, what am I missing?
Denis, you may be missing the opportunity to start unique conversations with hams you run across in the digital sub-bands. The worst that can happen is that they will just give you a look at their macros. The best is that they may start typing back. There are a number of operators who chew the rag from time to time on 20 meter rtty, and I'm sure it occurs sometimes on other modes and bands, except for the JT modes. Our local club holds a digital net every other Monday evening on ten meters around 28071, in several alternating modes, including psk, rtty, hellschreiber, and more as time goes on. No macros are used. There is no flaming, and we sometimes learn something new. It's a great way to help digital newbies with on the air experience. The band was chosen for the best local propagation, but other bands are tried from time to time. So, tickle those greenkeys; someone will respond. 73, Dave, K2YG On 3/21/2014 12:00 PM, elecraft-requ...@mailman.qth.net wrote: Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2014 14:13:28 +0100 From: F5vjc To: K5HM Cc: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Digimodes what am I missing? Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Lots of very interesting and wise responses, thank you all. It seems I am not alone:) 73, Denis F5VJC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Digimodes what am I missing?
On Fri, 21 Mar 2014 16:54:32 +0100, F5vjc wrote: > Hi Walter, yes I agree Nice job of trimming - NOT! :) Gary __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Digimodes what am I missing?
On Fri, 21 Mar 2014 11:16:41 -0700, Frank Precissi wrote: > I'm just learning CW and know enough to be dangerous (and annoying) on > the air. Which is one of the main indicators that you need to work more of it. :) Gary __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Digimodes what am I missing?
I have been experimenting with the digital modes, starting with JT65 and JT9. I find them both excellent when signal conditions are very poor. I have worked DX stations that were buried in the noise and could just barely be heard and in some cases couldn't even be heard. I plan on using both until I at least get WAS on 10, 15 and 20, as well as DXCC. Next I will move on to other modes such as PSK31 and Olivia I guess my point is don¹t knock the digital modes until you have extensively used them. Like everything else they have their good and bad points. They may not be the best modes for rag chewing, but they have their place. Bob - N7RJN73, On 3/20/14, 15:56, "F5vjc" wrote: >Is it me, but what is the attraction to the Digimodes? > >I can and do understand the achievement to get a new mode working, which >is >the only satisfaction that I can find. > >Why? > >Having succeeded in getting any Digimode working the only traffic I see > are canned messages and brag dialogues of no great interest. >All rather boring and impersonal. >What PC, how much memory, what operating system ad nausea. > >Yes I operate CW and the rubber stamp and the DX QSO are very familiar to >me but at least it's a skill to send and receive CW. > >I am not knocking the Digimodes I hope but would like to know, are there >any real keyboard to keyboard interesting QSO/s to be found, and if so >where? > >73, F5VJC >__ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to n7...@nobis.net > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Digimodes what am I missing?
I'll take a stab at this question. Im the guy who has incredible social anxiety when calling CQ via SSB on the air (mostly due to a speech impediment that I'm very self conscious about). I'm just learning CW and know enough to be dangerous (and annoying) on the air. So that just leaves me with digital. I can ragchew and type to a random person over the computer all day every day, but have me actually say something and its another story all together. Yay social awkwardness! Frank KG6EYC -- CW: NAQCC #6554 | SKCC #10435 | FISTS #16155 | SOC #1038 | FPQRP #3186 Digital: FHC #4224 | 30MDG #6370 | DMC #5698 Gear: K3 #7164 | KX3 #1787 http://vadept.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Digimodes what am I missing?
I use PSK31 frequently, EasyPal SSTV once in a while, RTTY once in a while, just getting into DStar. CW is challenging and SSB is fun, enjoy them both, too. There are many advantages to digital: -- an error-free record of communications is produced more or less automatically. -- casual or malicious listeners can not "read" the communication. Can't copy PSK or RTTY in your head. -- Spectrum usage is minimal, and efficient for PSK. -- Good PSK software can copy signals that are inaudible, yet visible on a waterfall. True, they are not much good in pileups. But, I have never heard a PSK pileup. Split ops are rare. These advantages are especially important in traffic handling and emergency communications, major contributors to the "public interest, convenience, or necessity". It is just a hobby, but our ability to justify allocation of spectrum to us depends on others understanding our contributions, both technical and public service. Monty K2DLJ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Digimodes what am I missing?
Many of the Olivia variants are much slower than typing speeds as well. I've had Olivia QSOs that lasted more than 1hr I've also made Olivia QSOs when there was nothing audible & nothing visible on the waterfall. 73, Ross N4RP On 3/21/2014 1:39 PM, Mark Petiford wrote: I accidentally "fat fingered" this directly to wunder instead of to the list, so here it is again...I hope: I am going to put a pitch in here for some of the "not so new" digimodes as a way to keep the hobby interesting. RTTY has certainly been around a lot longer than 50 years...even longer than ME...and has a beautiful sound. I find a bit more "conversation" there, but a lot more macros being used there than 40 years ago. All we had back then was a CQ tape, a brag tape, etc. It kept you busier than a "one-armed paper hanger" because you were literally hanging the paper tapes on the wall with little pieces of masking tape on the end and loading the one you wanted to use next into the tape reader.Another old fun mode that has been around longer than 50 years is Helschreiber, and all of its incarnations. It was one of the very first attempts to send text via radio. Technically it is a facsimile mode (thank you spell checker), with a scanner on one end sending a small picture of each text character and one the other end reproducing it. It has a fascinating history. I find a lot more conversation among operators using that mode, probably because even the slowest of typists can keep up with it, but the length of a conversation tends to be limited by propagation changes. It does require some (not a lot) operator skill to tune in and to keep it tuned in, similar to the days before waterfalls when you tuned RTTY by ear or using a scope. It certainly isn't the ultimate mode (which is why it is so obscure), but it is great fun to use it occasionally instead of PSK.Operating some of the older modes is a bit like flying old airplanes. They generally require more airman skill due to tailwheels, tailskids, adverse yaw, poorer instrumentation, etc., but are great fun once you master them. Same with CW and some of the other old modes. While my CW skill have deteriorated in part due to age issues, it is beautiful to watch a couple of skilled CW operators running QSK working together, and I am not talking about code speed. It is even more fun to be a part of it. It is a skill that I don't hear much anymore. The standard CW exchanges don't really do the mode justice compared to a good QSK conversation between skilled operators.Tired of the same old PSK "conversations"? Try one of the old time modes, or throw away the waterfall. Do something different. It will make you a better operator and you will learn something about the history of radio.73,Mark, KE6BB or as it was sent on a Model 19 TTY:-ltrs-ltrs-KE-nbrs-6-ltrs-ltrs-BB-CR-CR-LF-LF __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to n...@n4rp.com -- FCC Section 97.313(a) “At all times, an amateur station must use the minimum transmitter power necessary to carry out the desired communications.” __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Digimodes what am I missing?
I accidentally "fat fingered" this directly to wunder instead of to the list, so here it is again...I hope: I am going to put a pitch in here for some of the "not so new" digimodes as a way to keep the hobby interesting. RTTY has certainly been around a lot longer than 50 years...even longer than ME...and has a beautiful sound. I find a bit more "conversation" there, but a lot more macros being used there than 40 years ago. All we had back then was a CQ tape, a brag tape, etc. It kept you busier than a "one-armed paper hanger" because you were literally hanging the paper tapes on the wall with little pieces of masking tape on the end and loading the one you wanted to use next into the tape reader.Another old fun mode that has been around longer than 50 years is Helschreiber, and all of its incarnations. It was one of the very first attempts to send text via radio. Technically it is a facsimile mode (thank you spell checker), with a scanner on one end sending a small picture of each text character and one the other end reproducing it. It has a fascinating history. I find a lot more conversation among operators using that mode, probably because even the slowest of typists can keep up with it, but the length of a conversation tends to be limited by propagation changes. It does require some (not a lot) operator skill to tune in and to keep it tuned in, similar to the days before waterfalls when you tuned RTTY by ear or using a scope. It certainly isn't the ultimate mode (which is why it is so obscure), but it is great fun to use it occasionally instead of PSK.Operating some of the older modes is a bit like flying old airplanes. They generally require more airman skill due to tailwheels, tailskids, adverse yaw, poorer instrumentation, etc., but are great fun once you master them. Same with CW and some of the other old modes. While my CW skill have deteriorated in part due to age issues, it is beautiful to watch a couple of skilled CW operators running QSK working together, and I am not talking about code speed. It is even more fun to be a part of it. It is a skill that I don't hear much anymore. The standard CW exchanges don't really do the mode justice compared to a good QSK conversation between skilled operators.Tired of the same old PSK "conversations"? Try one of the old time modes, or throw away the waterfall. Do something different. It will make you a better operator and you will learn something about the history of radio.73,Mark, KE6BB or as it was sent on a Model 19 TTY:-ltrs-ltrs-KE-nbrs-6-ltrs-ltrs-BB-CR-CR-LF-LF __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Digimodes what am I missing? (OT)
> There are ... no professional CW operators. The FCC still issues *commercial* radiotelegraph licenses. The commercial First Class and the Second Class radiotelegraph licenses still existed until just TEN MONTHS ago. Then the First Class license was eliminated and the Second Class license was renamed the "Radiotelegraph Operator License" (no class shown). There are many professional Morse operators still among us, like my fiend Al/W5KGM who served as an airline Morse operator and as a merchant marine radio officer on WWII Atlantic convoys. Use of any "digi" mode requires less operator skill than does Morse. That explains at least some of the popularity. As an earlier post stated...it all looks like e-mail to me. Mike / KK5F __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Digimodes what am I missing?
Please define effective. This is a hobby. Except for Emergency communications, missing a character or two doesn't mean squat. For contests, digital error correcting protocols are non-starters. For pileups, I doubt any error correcting protocol will be of use. 73 de Brian/K3KO On 3/21/2014 16:32, Walter Underwood wrote: I really considered saying "Dawn of Modern Digimodes". Automatic error correction is the real difference that makes modern digital modes more effective than manual digital modes (Morse) or send-and-pray digital modes (RTTY). wunder K6WRU On Mar 21, 2014, at 8:52 AM, Ross Primrose wrote: On 3/21/2014 11:39 AM, Walter Underwood wrote: I like digimodes because the technology is awesome. I'm amused when people consider them "new", because they've been around for roughly 50 years. I think you've underestimated by quite a bit. RTTY has been around since the early '30s. 73, Ross N4RP -- FCC Section 97.313(a) “At all times, an amateur station must use the minimum transmitter power necessary to carry out the desired communications.” __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to als...@nc.rr.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2247 / Virus Database: 3722/6723 - Release Date: 03/20/14 - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2247 / Virus Database: 3722/6723 - Release Date: 03/20/14 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Digimodes what am I missing?
I really considered saying "Dawn of Modern Digimodes". Automatic error correction is the real difference that makes modern digital modes more effective than manual digital modes (Morse) or send-and-pray digital modes (RTTY). wunder K6WRU On Mar 21, 2014, at 8:52 AM, Ross Primrose wrote: > On 3/21/2014 11:39 AM, Walter Underwood wrote: >> I like digimodes because the technology is awesome. >> >> I'm amused when people consider them "new", because they've been around for >> roughly 50 years. > > I think you've underestimated by quite a bit. RTTY has been around since the > early '30s. > > 73, Ross N4RP > > -- > FCC Section 97.313(a) “At all times, an amateur station must use the minimum > transmitter power necessary to carry out the desired communications.” > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Hi Walter, yes I agree the technology is'awesome' and I have the greatest respect for those talented persons who develop these modes and programs for our use. However I also have the utmost admiration for the skilled Craftsmen, whether Blacksmiths or CW operators whom I would consider professional. 73, Denis F5VJC On 21 March 2014 16:39, Walter Underwood wrote: > I like digimodes because the technology is awesome. > > I'm amused when people consider them "new", because they've been around > for roughly 50 years. As a rough date for the Dawn of Digimodes, I use the > invention of the Viterbi decoder in 1967. Ten years later, when I was > studying EE at Rice, analog modes were about as interesting as power > supplies. > > CW is neat as a hobby technology, but commercially, it is less relevant > than blacksmithing. There are quite a few professional blacksmiths, but no > professional CW operators. > > wunder > K6WRU > > On Mar 21, 2014, at 5:44 AM, "K5HM" wrote: > > > I guess everyone is entitled to pursue the hobby the way they wish. The > fact > > that it's a digital mode or CW really has nothing to do with it. You can > > hear the same canned and non-conversation exchanges on CW or SSB. I > know CW > > operators that don't own a key. For them it's just another digital mode. > > They use the same canned macros we see in RTTY or PSK. > > > > Today's hams live in a world filled with text messages and Twitter. To > them, > > CW might just as well be another form of texting. It's no wonder they > can't > > have conversations with each other. > > > > Mastering the technology is a big part of what fascinates me about ham > > radio. For me, digital modes are a part of the merging of two worlds in > > which I grew up and, which grew up with me. Radio and automation. > > > > I like trying new stuff. It's one of the reasons I chose the K3. After > > almost a year of ownership, I'm still learning about what this radio can > do. > > > > > > 73, > > Ron, K5HM > > k5hm@gmail.com > > www.qrz.com/db/k5hm > > -Original Message- > > From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net > > [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of WILLIS COOKE > > Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 8:31 PM > > To: F5vjc; Elecraft Reflector > > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Digimodes what am I missing? > > > > I feel the same way Denis. I guess when I finish Honor Roll and > Challenge > > 3000 maybe I will get back to it, but I am old and the younger folks > don't > > seem to get the charge from CW that I do. To me, even when you talk, > digi > > is too much like email! > > > > Willis 'Cookie' Cooke, TDXS DX Chairman > > K5EWJ & Trustee N5BPS, USS Cavalla, USS Stewart > > > > > > > > From: F5vjc > > To: Elecraft Reflector > > Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 5:56 PM > > Subject: [Elecraft] Digimodes what am I missing? > > > > > > Is it me, but what is the attraction to the Digimodes? > > > > I can and do understand the achievement to get a new mode working, which > is > > the only satisfaction that I can find. > > > > Why? > > > > Having succeeded in getting any Digimode working the only traffic I see > > are canned messages and brag dialogues of no great interest. > > All rather boring and impersonal. > > What PC, how much memory, what operating system ad nausea. > > > > Yes I operate CW and the rubber stamp and the DX QSO are very familiar to > > me but at least it's a skill to send and receive CW. > > > > I am not knocking the Digimodes I hope but would like to know, are there > > any real keyboard to keyboard interesting QSO/s to be found, and if so > > where? > > > > 73, F5VJC > > __ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to wrco...@yahoo.com > > __ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Pos
Re: [Elecraft] Digimodes what am I missing?
On 3/21/2014 11:39 AM, Walter Underwood wrote: I like digimodes because the technology is awesome. I'm amused when people consider them "new", because they've been around for roughly 50 years. I think you've underestimated by quite a bit. RTTY has been around since the early '30s. 73, Ross N4RP -- FCC Section 97.313(a) “At all times, an amateur station must use the minimum transmitter power necessary to carry out the desired communications.” __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Digimodes what am I missing?
I like digimodes because the technology is awesome. I'm amused when people consider them "new", because they've been around for roughly 50 years. As a rough date for the Dawn of Digimodes, I use the invention of the Viterbi decoder in 1967. Ten years later, when I was studying EE at Rice, analog modes were about as interesting as power supplies. CW is neat as a hobby technology, but commercially, it is less relevant than blacksmithing. There are quite a few professional blacksmiths, but no professional CW operators. wunder K6WRU On Mar 21, 2014, at 5:44 AM, "K5HM" wrote: > I guess everyone is entitled to pursue the hobby the way they wish. The fact > that it’s a digital mode or CW really has nothing to do with it. You can > hear the same canned and non-conversation exchanges on CW or SSB. I know CW > operators that don't own a key. For them it's just another digital mode. > They use the same canned macros we see in RTTY or PSK. > > Today's hams live in a world filled with text messages and Twitter. To them, > CW might just as well be another form of texting. It's no wonder they can't > have conversations with each other. > > Mastering the technology is a big part of what fascinates me about ham > radio. For me, digital modes are a part of the merging of two worlds in > which I grew up and, which grew up with me. Radio and automation. > > I like trying new stuff. It's one of the reasons I chose the K3. After > almost a year of ownership, I'm still learning about what this radio can do. > > > 73, > Ron, K5HM > k5hm@gmail.com > www.qrz.com/db/k5hm > -Original Message- > From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net > [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of WILLIS COOKE > Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 8:31 PM > To: F5vjc; Elecraft Reflector > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Digimodes what am I missing? > > I feel the same way Denis. I guess when I finish Honor Roll and Challenge > 3000 maybe I will get back to it, but I am old and the younger folks don't > seem to get the charge from CW that I do. To me, even when you talk, digi > is too much like email! > > Willis 'Cookie' Cooke, TDXS DX Chairman > K5EWJ & Trustee N5BPS, USS Cavalla, USS Stewart > > > > From: F5vjc > To: Elecraft Reflector > Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 5:56 PM > Subject: [Elecraft] Digimodes what am I missing? > > > Is it me, but what is the attraction to the Digimodes? > > I can and do understand the achievement to get a new mode working, which is > the only satisfaction that I can find. > > Why? > > Having succeeded in getting any Digimode working the only traffic I see > are canned messages and brag dialogues of no great interest. > All rather boring and impersonal. > What PC, how much memory, what operating system ad nausea. > > Yes I operate CW and the rubber stamp and the DX QSO are very familiar to > me but at least it's a skill to send and receive CW. > > I am not knocking the Digimodes I hope but would like to know, are there > any real keyboard to keyboard interesting QSO/s to be found, and if so > where? > > 73, F5VJC > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wrco...@yahoo.com > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k5hm@gmail.com > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wun...@wunderwood.org -- Walter Underwood wun...@wunderwood.org __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Lots of very interesting and wise responses, thank you all. It seems I am not alone :) 73, Denis F5VJC On 21 March 2014 13:44, K5HM wrote: > I guess everyone is entitled to pursue the hobby the way they wish. The > fact > that it's a digital mode or CW really has nothing to do with it. You can > hear the same canned and non-conversation exchanges on CW or SSB. I know > CW > operators that don't own a key. For them it's just another digital mode. > They use the same canned macros we see in RTTY or PSK. > > Today's hams live in a world filled with text messages and Twitter. To > them, > CW might just as well be another form of texting. It's no wonder they > can't > have conversations with each other. > > Mastering the technology is a big part of what fascinates me about ham > radio. For me, digital modes are a part of the merging of two worlds in > which I grew up and, which grew up with me. Radio and automation. > > I like trying new stuff. It's one of the reasons I chose the K3. After > almost a year of ownership, I'm still learning about what this radio can > do. > > > 73, > Ron, K5HM > k5hm@gmail.com > www.qrz.com/db/k5hm > -Original Message- > From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net > [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of WILLIS COOKE > Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 8:31 PM > To: F5vjc; Elecraft Reflector > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Digimodes what am I missing? > > I feel the same way Denis. I guess when I finish Honor Roll and Challenge > 3000 maybe I will get back to it, but I am old and the younger folks don't > seem to get the charge from CW that I do. To me, even when you talk, digi > is too much like email! > > Willis 'Cookie' Cooke, TDXS DX Chairman > K5EWJ & Trustee N5BPS, USS Cavalla, USS Stewart > > > > From: F5vjc > To: Elecraft Reflector > Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 5:56 PM > Subject: [Elecraft] Digimodes what am I missing? > > > Is it me, but what is the attraction to the Digimodes? > > I can and do understand the achievement to get a new mode working, which is > the only satisfaction that I can find. > > Why? > > Having succeeded in getting any Digimode working the only traffic I see > are canned messages and brag dialogues of no great interest. > All rather boring and impersonal. > What PC, how much memory, what operating system ad nausea. > > Yes I operate CW and the rubber stamp and the DX QSO are very familiar to > me but at least it's a skill to send and receive CW. > > I am not knocking the Digimodes I hope but would like to know, are there > any real keyboard to keyboard interesting QSO/s to be found, and if so > where? > > 73, F5VJC > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wrco...@yahoo.com > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k5hm@gmail.com > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to foxfive@gmail.com > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Digimodes what am I missing?
I guess everyone is entitled to pursue the hobby the way they wish. The fact that its a digital mode or CW really has nothing to do with it. You can hear the same canned and non-conversation exchanges on CW or SSB. I know CW operators that don't own a key. For them it's just another digital mode. They use the same canned macros we see in RTTY or PSK. Today's hams live in a world filled with text messages and Twitter. To them, CW might just as well be another form of texting. It's no wonder they can't have conversations with each other. Mastering the technology is a big part of what fascinates me about ham radio. For me, digital modes are a part of the merging of two worlds in which I grew up and, which grew up with me. Radio and automation. I like trying new stuff. It's one of the reasons I chose the K3. After almost a year of ownership, I'm still learning about what this radio can do. 73, Ron, K5HM k5hm@gmail.com www.qrz.com/db/k5hm -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of WILLIS COOKE Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 8:31 PM To: F5vjc; Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Digimodes what am I missing? I feel the same way Denis. I guess when I finish Honor Roll and Challenge 3000 maybe I will get back to it, but I am old and the younger folks don't seem to get the charge from CW that I do. To me, even when you talk, digi is too much like email! Willis 'Cookie' Cooke, TDXS DX Chairman K5EWJ & Trustee N5BPS, USS Cavalla, USS Stewart From: F5vjc To: Elecraft Reflector Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 5:56 PM Subject: [Elecraft] Digimodes what am I missing? Is it me, but what is the attraction to the Digimodes? I can and do understand the achievement to get a new mode working, which is the only satisfaction that I can find. Why? Having succeeded in getting any Digimode working the only traffic I see are canned messages and brag dialogues of no great interest. All rather boring and impersonal. What PC, how much memory, what operating system ad nausea. Yes I operate CW and the rubber stamp and the DX QSO are very familiar to me but at least it's a skill to send and receive CW. I am not knocking the Digimodes I hope but would like to know, are there any real keyboard to keyboard interesting QSO/s to be found, and if so where? 73, F5VJC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to wrco...@yahoo.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k5hm@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Digimodes what am I missing?
Actually, you are probably not missing anything from those sending with macros. A fun and mischievous way to go about this: What if you actually ask some sort of question from the macro operators? Could be anything so long as another macro does not answer it. You would quickly find out whether they can handle that keyboard and have something to say beyond the brag macro --- which can carry some of the most inane materials. On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 9:31 PM, WILLIS COOKE wrote: > I feel the same way Denis. I guess when I finish Honor Roll and Challenge > 3000 maybe I will get back to it, but I am old and the younger folks don't > seem to get the charge from CW that I do. To me, even when you talk, digi > is too much like email! > > Willis 'Cookie' Cooke, TDXS DX Chairman > K5EWJ & Trustee N5BPS, USS Cavalla, USS Stewart > > > > From: F5vjc > To: Elecraft Reflector > Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 5:56 PM > Subject: [Elecraft] Digimodes what am I missing? > > > Is it me, but what is the attraction to the Digimodes? > > I can and do understand the achievement to get a new mode working, which is > the only satisfaction that I can find. > > Why? > > Having succeeded in getting any Digimode working the only traffic I see > are canned messages and brag dialogues of no great interest. > All rather boring and impersonal. > What PC, how much memory, what operating system ad nausea. > > Yes I operate CW and the rubber stamp and the DX QSO are very familiar to > me but at least it's a skill to send and receive CW. > > I am not knocking the Digimodes I hope but would like to know, are there > any real keyboard to keyboard interesting QSO/s to be found, and if so > where? > > 73, F5VJC > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wrco...@yahoo.com > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w3tb@gmail.com > -- 73 de Ted Edwards, W3TB and GØPWW and thinking about operating CW: "Do today what others won't, so you can do tomorrow what others can't." __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Digimodes what am I missing?
I feel the same way Denis. I guess when I finish Honor Roll and Challenge 3000 maybe I will get back to it, but I am old and the younger folks don't seem to get the charge from CW that I do. To me, even when you talk, digi is too much like email! Willis 'Cookie' Cooke, TDXS DX Chairman K5EWJ & Trustee N5BPS, USS Cavalla, USS Stewart From: F5vjc To: Elecraft Reflector Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 5:56 PM Subject: [Elecraft] Digimodes what am I missing? Is it me, but what is the attraction to the Digimodes? I can and do understand the achievement to get a new mode working, which is the only satisfaction that I can find. Why? Having succeeded in getting any Digimode working the only traffic I see are canned messages and brag dialogues of no great interest. All rather boring and impersonal. What PC, how much memory, what operating system ad nausea. Yes I operate CW and the rubber stamp and the DX QSO are very familiar to me but at least it's a skill to send and receive CW. I am not knocking the Digimodes I hope but would like to know, are there any real keyboard to keyboard interesting QSO/s to be found, and if so where? 73, F5VJC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to wrco...@yahoo.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Digimodes what am I missing?
There is a lot of activity on PSK31 mode using canned macros as you describe, and some operators are content with doing only that, however there is a lot more to digimodes than just that. Some people are interested in propagation effects, and may run automated stations such as on PSK31 PropNet or WSPR. Some people are interested to compare the performance of different modulation and coding schemes under various band and propagation conditions. For example, on the new 630m band a lot of the activity involves digital modes or QRSS CW which is decoded through the aid of a computer. Some are interested in using digimodes to support emergency communications. Some use them to track each other on trips in the outback, or to track balloons. Some use them to experiment with network protocols. The list goes on... this broad range of interests is what makes a hobby like ham radio so interesting. 73, Matt VK2RQ. On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 9:56 AM, F5vjc wrote: > Is it me, but what is the attraction to the Digimodes? > > I can and do understand the achievement to get a new mode working, which is > the only satisfaction that I can find. > > Why? > > Having succeeded in getting any Digimode working the only traffic I see > are canned messages and brag dialogues of no great interest. > All rather boring and impersonal. > What PC, how much memory, what operating system ad nausea. > > Yes I operate CW and the rubber stamp and the DX QSO are very familiar to > me but at least it's a skill to send and receive CW. > > I am not knocking the Digimodes I hope but would like to know, are there > any real keyboard to keyboard interesting QSO/s to be found, and if so > where? > > 73, F5VJC > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to matt.vk...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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On forums and reflectors! Eric KE6US On 3/20/2014 3:56 PM, F5vjc wrote: I am not knocking the Digimodes I hope but would like to know, are there any real keyboard to keyboard interesting QSO/s to be found, and if so where? 73, F5VJC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to eric_c...@hotmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Elecraft] Digimodes what am I missing?
Is it me, but what is the attraction to the Digimodes? I can and do understand the achievement to get a new mode working, which is the only satisfaction that I can find. Why? Having succeeded in getting any Digimode working the only traffic I see are canned messages and brag dialogues of no great interest. All rather boring and impersonal. What PC, how much memory, what operating system ad nausea. Yes I operate CW and the rubber stamp and the DX QSO are very familiar to me but at least it's a skill to send and receive CW. I am not knocking the Digimodes I hope but would like to know, are there any real keyboard to keyboard interesting QSO/s to be found, and if so where? 73, F5VJC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
