Re: [Elecraft] For those at Dayton (KAT500)

2012-05-20 Thread Jim Brown
On 5/18/2012 1:00 PM, Fred Bennett N9TA wrote:
 The price as I was just informed when I ordered via phone was $699
 assembledI don't remember the un-assembled price but I think it was in
 the low $600s. A bit steep for a tuner...but I'm betting it'll be worth it!!

You've GOT to be kidding. It's a bargain at this price.  That's the cost 
of the Ten Tec MANUAL tuner!  I ordered three.

73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] For those at Dayton (KAT500)

2012-05-20 Thread Gary Gregory
*Jim,

In VK you will pay that for a pretty dumb LDG auto-tuner with a single
antenna connection and more for a manual Palstar.

Given the almost equal exchange rate the KAT-500 not only represents value
for money (not a phrase I would use in a sentence with MFJ in it) it offers
great versatility and quality built right into it.

I don't see any quality competition out there.

Just my two cents worth, keep the change!

Gary
*
On 21 May 2012 10:07, Jim Brown j...@audiosystemsgroup.com wrote:

 On 5/18/2012 1:00 PM, Fred Bennett N9TA wrote:
  The price as I was just informed when I ordered via phone was $699
  assembledI don't remember the un-assembled price but I think it was
 in
  the low $600s. A bit steep for a tuner...but I'm betting it'll be worth
 it!!

 You've GOT to be kidding. It's a bargain at this price.  That's the cost
 of the Ten Tec MANUAL tuner!  I ordered three.

 73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] For those at Dayton (KAT500)

2012-05-20 Thread Jim Brown

 The LDG AT-1000ProII is on a Dayton sale at Gigaparts for $459 with free 
 shipping through Monday, the 21st. (Must be ordered on-line) I just posted 
 this since there were $539 prices being mentioned on the reflector.

I briefly owned an AT-1000. I hated it, and sold it at a loss.  LDG was 
VERY unresponsive in addressing issues when I sent a virtually new 
product in for service.  Most of us here know what Elecraft's service is 
like.

It should be noted that the Elecraft tuner has THREE switched outputs, 
each of which remembers by band the settings for what was last 
connected.  An early product description suggested that the tuner might 
be usable for SWRs below 3:1 at up to 1 or 1.2 kW.

As to the comparison (by others) with products like MFJ (Mighty Fine 
Junk) -- you gotta be kidding.  This is not just a tuner, it is an 
ELECRAFT tuner.

73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] For those at Dayton (KAT500)

2012-05-19 Thread Dave Agsten
The LDG AT-1000ProII is on a Dayton sale at Gigaparts for $459 with free 
shipping through Monday, the 21st. (Must be ordered on-line) I just posted this 
since there were $539 prices being mentioned on the reflector.

The KAT500 at $699 is quite a bit higher. Also, shipping to the East Cost via 
Priority Mail adds another $27 to the total. ( A difference of $267 for me - 
That's a considerable difference for me)

I have not seen the official specifications for the KAT500 so it's difficult to 
compare. are any specs available somewhere? The 6 meter power handling spec was 
mentioned but I can't understand exactly why you would even use a tuner on a 6 
meter beam if it were properly adjusted. Does the KAT500 have an antenna switch 
with separate memories for each? 


I also see a few reviews of the AT-600 being used with the KPA500 without 
issue. That one is $140 less than the AT-1000ProII.

 
73,
Dave N8AG
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Re: [Elecraft] For those at Dayton (KAT500)

2012-05-19 Thread N5GE

Below...

On Sat, 19 May 2012 10:06:46 -0700 (PDT), Dave Agsten w4...@yahoo.com wrote:

The LDG AT-1000ProII is on a Dayton sale at Gigaparts for $459 with free 
shipping through Monday, the 21st. (Must be ordered on-line) I just posted 
this since there were $539 prices being mentioned on the reflector.

The KAT500 at $699 is quite a bit higher. Also, shipping to the East Cost via 
Priority Mail adds another $27 to the total. ( A difference of $267 for me - 
That's a considerable difference for me)

You might consider the size of the KAT500 before you consider another Auto
tuner.  The KAT500 has the same footprint as the K3 and KPA500 and the height is
less that 2 inches tall which will allow it to sit on top of either one.  I will
handle 10:1 SWR at 500 - 600 watts and 1200 to 1500 watts at 3:1 SWR.  It has
THREE antenna outputs that are selected on the front panel.



I have not seen the official specifications for the KAT500 so it's difficult 
to compare. are any specs available somewhere? The 6 meter power handling spec 
was mentioned but I can't understand exactly why you would even use a tuner on 
a 6 meter beam if it were properly adjusted. Does the KAT500 have an antenna 
switch with separate memories for each? 

There are some specs at  http://www.elecraft.com/news.htm

Amateur Radio Operator N5GE
ARRL Lifetime Member
QCWA Lifetime Member
[snip]

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Re: [Elecraft] For those at Dayton (KAT500)

2012-05-19 Thread Rick Bates
And it will be fully integrated into the 'K line', which means fewer
'buttons' to press, easier operations.

Rick wa6nhc  (yes my order is in too)

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Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2012 11:41 AM
To: Dave Agsten
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] For those at Dayton (KAT500)


Below...

On Sat, 19 May 2012 10:06:46 -0700 (PDT), Dave Agsten w4...@yahoo.com
wrote:

The LDG AT-1000ProII is on a Dayton sale at Gigaparts for $459 with free
shipping through Monday, the 21st. (Must be ordered on-line) I just posted
this since there were $539 prices being mentioned on the reflector.

The KAT500 at $699 is quite a bit higher. Also, shipping to the East Cost
via Priority Mail adds another $27 to the total. ( A difference of $267 for
me - That's a considerable difference for me)

You might consider the size of the KAT500 before you consider another Auto
tuner.  The KAT500 has the same footprint as the K3 and KPA500 and the
height is
less that 2 inches tall which will allow it to sit on top of either one.  I
will
handle 10:1 SWR at 500 - 600 watts and 1200 to 1500 watts at 3:1 SWR.  It
has
THREE antenna outputs that are selected on the front panel.



I have not seen the official specifications for the KAT500 so it's
difficult to compare. are any specs available somewhere? The 6 meter power
handling spec was mentioned but I can't understand exactly why you would
even use a tuner on a 6 meter beam if it were properly adjusted. Does the
KAT500 have an antenna switch with separate memories for each? 

There are some specs at  http://www.elecraft.com/news.htm

Amateur Radio Operator N5GE
ARRL Lifetime Member
QCWA Lifetime Member
[snip]

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Re: [Elecraft] For those at Dayton (KAT500)

2012-05-19 Thread Vic K2VCO
I would expect that this would depend not only on the SWR, but on the nature of 
the 
impedance it sees. Unless someone from Elecraft told you this, I wouldn't risk 
running 
1500 watts at 3:1 SWR (if Elecraft DID tell you this, then I'm ordering one)!

On 5/19/2012 11:41 AM, N5GE wrote:
 I will
 handle 10:1 SWR at 500 - 600 watts and 1200 to 1500 watts at 3:1 SWR.

-- 
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Fresno CA
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Re: [Elecraft] For those at Dayton (KAT500)

2012-05-19 Thread Vic K2VCO
Oops, wrong again! I see that they make the claim that it will handle 1200-1500 
watts on 
the website. But I suspect you have to be very careful!

On 5/19/2012 1:32 PM, Vic K2VCO wrote:
 I would expect that this would depend not only on the SWR, but on the nature 
 of the 
 impedance it sees. Unless someone from Elecraft told you this, I wouldn't 
 risk running 
 1500 watts at 3:1 SWR (if Elecraft DID tell you this, then I'm ordering one)!

 On 5/19/2012 11:41 AM, N5GE wrote:
 I will
 handle 10:1 SWR at 500 - 600 watts and 1200 to 1500 watts at 3:1 SWR.


 -- 
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 Fresno CA
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Re: [Elecraft] For those at Dayton (KAT500)

2012-05-19 Thread Pete Smith N4ZR
You bet, Vic.  Just read the reviews of antenna tuners in QST, with 
careful attention to the amount of power absorbed in the tuner at some 
load impedance/reactance combinations, and imagine 600 watts being 
dissipated inside a 500-watt tuner.

73, Pete N4ZR
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The Reverse Beacon Network at http://reversebeacon.net, blog at 
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arcluster.reversebeacon.net, port 7000


On 5/19/2012 4:39 PM, Vic K2VCO wrote:
 Oops, wrong again! I see that they make the claim that it will handle 
 1200-1500 watts on
 the website. But I suspect you have to be very careful!

 On 5/19/2012 1:32 PM, Vic K2VCO wrote:
 I would expect that this would depend not only on the SWR, but on the nature 
 of the
 impedance it sees. Unless someone from Elecraft told you this, I wouldn't 
 risk running
 1500 watts at 3:1 SWR (if Elecraft DID tell you this, then I'm ordering one)!

 On 5/19/2012 11:41 AM, N5GE wrote:
 I will
 handle 10:1 SWR at 500 - 600 watts and 1200 to 1500 watts at 3:1 SWR.

 -- 
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 Fresno CA
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Re: [Elecraft] For those at Dayton (KAT500)

2012-05-19 Thread Ian Kahn - Ham
I plan to order my KAT500 as soon as I find new employment.  It will 
replace the old MFJ-962D I'm using currently.

--Ian

Ian Kahn, KM4IK
Roswell, GA  EM74ua
km4ik@gmail.com
K3 #281, P3 #688
HRD v5.x/6.0 Test Team


On 5/19/2012 4:53 PM, Pete Smith N4ZR wrote:
 You bet, Vic.  Just read the reviews of antenna tuners in QST, with
 careful attention to the amount of power absorbed in the tuner at some
 load impedance/reactance combinations, and imagine 600 watts being
 dissipated inside a 500-watt tuner.

 73, Pete N4ZR
 The World Contest Station Database, updated daily at www.conteststations.com
 The Reverse Beacon Network at http://reversebeacon.net, blog at 
 reversebeacon.blogspot.com,
 spots at telnet.reversebeacon.net, port 7000 and
 arcluster.reversebeacon.net, port 7000


 On 5/19/2012 4:39 PM, Vic K2VCO wrote:
 Oops, wrong again! I see that they make the claim that it will handle 
 1200-1500 watts on
 the website. But I suspect you have to be very careful!

 On 5/19/2012 1:32 PM, Vic K2VCO wrote:
 I would expect that this would depend not only on the SWR, but on the 
 nature of the
 impedance it sees. Unless someone from Elecraft told you this, I wouldn't 
 risk running
 1500 watts at 3:1 SWR (if Elecraft DID tell you this, then I'm ordering 
 one)!

 On 5/19/2012 11:41 AM, N5GE wrote:
 I will
 handle 10:1 SWR at 500 - 600 watts and 1200 to 1500 watts at 3:1 SWR.
 -- 
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 Fresno CA
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Re: [Elecraft] For those at Dayton (KAT500)

2012-05-19 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV

On 5/19/2012 4:53 PM, Pete Smith N4ZR wrote:
  Just read the reviews of antenna tuners in QST, with
 careful attention to the amount of power absorbed in the tuner at
 some load impedance/reactance combinations, and imagine 600 watts
 being dissipated inside a 500-watt tuner.

Understand that most of the tuners evaluates in QST were T section
tuners.  The high pass T network can become pathological with some
values - particularly if the series capacitors have excessive Xc
(are too small).  The KAT-500 is an L-network tuner which generally
has much lower currents, thus less loss and less heating.

In spite of its modest height, the KAT-500 has some truly massive
inductors for a tuner rates at 600 Watts.  I'm not concerned that the
claim of 3:1 or somewhat higher for 1000 Watts is excessive and will
be seriously considering the KAT-500 as a line flattener if/when I
put the Quadras back on-line.

73,

... Joe, W4TV


On 5/19/2012 4:53 PM, Pete Smith N4ZR wrote:
 You bet, Vic.  Just read the reviews of antenna tuners in QST, with
 careful attention to the amount of power absorbed in the tuner at some
 load impedance/reactance combinations, and imagine 600 watts being
 dissipated inside a 500-watt tuner.

 73, Pete N4ZR
 The World Contest Station Database, updated daily at www.conteststations.com
 The Reverse Beacon Network at http://reversebeacon.net, blog at 
 reversebeacon.blogspot.com,
 spots at telnet.reversebeacon.net, port 7000 and
 arcluster.reversebeacon.net, port 7000


 On 5/19/2012 4:39 PM, Vic K2VCO wrote:
 Oops, wrong again! I see that they make the claim that it will handle 
 1200-1500 watts on
 the website. But I suspect you have to be very careful!

 On 5/19/2012 1:32 PM, Vic K2VCO wrote:
 I would expect that this would depend not only on the SWR, but on the 
 nature of the
 impedance it sees. Unless someone from Elecraft told you this, I wouldn't 
 risk running
 1500 watts at 3:1 SWR (if Elecraft DID tell you this, then I'm ordering 
 one)!

 On 5/19/2012 11:41 AM, N5GE wrote:
 I will
 handle 10:1 SWR at 500 - 600 watts and 1200 to 1500 watts at 3:1 SWR.

 --
 Vic, K2VCO
 Fresno CA
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[Elecraft] For those at Dayton (KAT500)

2012-05-18 Thread Fred Bennett N9TA
  The price as I was just informed when I ordered via phone was $699
assembledI don't remember the un-assembled price but I think it was in
the low $600s. A bit steep for a tuner...but I'm betting it'll be worth it!!


 

73...de...Fred  N9TA

 

 

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Re: [Elecraft] For those at Dayton (KAT500)

2012-05-18 Thread Rob May

With a street price of $300 for the MFJ-994B and $330 for the LDG AT600 Pro, 
that's a pretty steep premium to keep the station all Elecraft.
Rob
NV5E


 From: n9t...@comcast.net
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 16:00:43 -0400
 Subject: [Elecraft] For those at Dayton (KAT500)

 The price as I was just informed when I ordered via phone was $699
 assembledI don't remember the un-assembled price but I think it was in
 the low $600s. A bit steep for a tuner...but I'm betting it'll be worth it!!




 73...de...Fred N9TA





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Re: [Elecraft] For those at Dayton (KAT500)

2012-05-18 Thread Rick Johnson
The AT-1000ProII is $539 at HROpretty close and I bet the KAT500 will be 
very comparable.
My order was #3 btw...

73,
Rick W3BI

-Original Message- 
From: Rob May
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 4:17 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] For those at Dayton (KAT500)


With a street price of $300 for the MFJ-994B and $330 for the LDG AT600 Pro, 
that's a pretty steep premium to keep the station all Elecraft.
Rob
NV5E


 From: n9t...@comcast.net
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 16:00:43 -0400
 Subject: [Elecraft] For those at Dayton (KAT500)

 The price as I was just informed when I ordered via phone was $699
 assembledI don't remember the un-assembled price but I think it was in
 the low $600s. A bit steep for a tuner...but I'm betting it'll be worth 
 it!!




 73...de...Fred N9TA





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Re: [Elecraft] For those at Dayton (KAT500)

2012-05-18 Thread W0MU Mike Fatchett
I agree the price is a bit higher than I would have liked to have seen.  
I am sure it will work far better than the MFJ and I don't think either 
will handle the full output on 6m which the KAT500 will do or so I was 
told.  I smoked my LDG the other day on 6m because I forgot they are 
only rated for half power on 6m.

Mike W0MU

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Http://www.w0mu.com


On 5/18/2012 2:17 PM, Rob May wrote:
 With a street price of $300 for the MFJ-994B and $330 for the LDG AT600 Pro, 
 that's a pretty steep premium to keep the station all Elecraft.
 Rob
 NV5E

 
 From: n9t...@comcast.net
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 16:00:43 -0400
 Subject: [Elecraft] For those at Dayton (KAT500)

 The price as I was just informed when I ordered via phone was $699
 assembledI don't remember the un-assembled price but I think it was in
 the low $600s. A bit steep for a tuner...but I'm betting it'll be worth it!!




 73...de...Fred N9TA





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Re: [Elecraft] For those at Dayton (KAT500) and about tuner cost

2012-05-18 Thread Bill K9YEQ
Based on the Elecraft tuner performance from all of theirs I have used in
the equipment I have owned, it is well worth paying more for the KAT 500.  I
have all the MFJ auto tuners and have had issues.  I currently own an
MFJ-998 which recently updated the firmware, but it has lots of room for
improvement.  I have had LDG, all are gone.

My parents (they have passed) taught me many years ago:  generally speaking,
you get what you pay for .  This was during the onslaught of big box cheap
crap.  This  is not about sticking with Elecraft, it is about quality,
customer service, design and upgradability.  

I have a THP HL-2.5KFx, it is quality, quality, quality.  It is very well
designed, etc.  If I was looking for a lower powered amp, I would go hands
down with the Elecraft Amp.  The Elecraft stuff is well designed.  My THP,
and I am only referring to the HL-2.5KFx, will stay in my shack.  I am not
interested in any of their other amps as they are not nearly the same in
design.   

73,
Bill
K9YEQ


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[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of W0MU Mike Fatchett
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 3:28 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] For those at Dayton (KAT500)

I agree the price is a bit higher than I would have liked to have seen.  
I am sure it will work far better than the MFJ and I don't think either will
handle the full output on 6m which the KAT500 will do or so I was told.  I
smoked my LDG the other day on 6m because I forgot they are only rated for
half power on 6m.

Mike W0MU

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Re: [Elecraft] For those at Dayton (KAT500)

2012-05-18 Thread Bob
I've never owned a MFJ tuner capable of handling its rated power for
anything over a 1.5 SWR (and then you get into arguments about PEP vs CW vs
Continuous Carrier).  They all burn out with even a slight mismatch.  Since
I'm not trying to tune a dummy load, I'll go with something that can handle
500 watts full carrier into a bad mismatch.  That's the reason I bought a
manual Palstar tuner for use with my KPA500 -- and it has served me well,
but is a manual tuner.

I have faith that Elecraft will meet the performance criteria.  I have zero
faith, based on long bitter experience, that MFJ can.

73, Bob, WB4SON
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