Re: [Elecraft] IF out of 2nd Receiver in K3?
I am using Rocky with my KX3 I/Q output and it works VERY well. I should also point out that the latest version 3.32 will decode CW and PSK31 signals !!! I had to use a laptop with a stereo input USB sound card ($15 from Amazon) and it gives me 96Khz of bandwidth. The reason for the laptop is that the regular PC induced a ground loop and caused artifacts on the KX3 main output to the other laptop that runs Propnet. Ron W7HD briana wrote: Guys, Before trashing this, one actually needs to use it as I have for years. I've used it with the ROCKY (free) panadapter program and SKIMMER ($75) cw decode program. You do need an SDR and available sound card to use them. ROCKY is a bare bones spectrum display. It can be sized and easily fit on your computer display along witht logging programs which don't hog the entire display. This is where a panadapter diisplay ought to be IMHO. The frequency scale is relative in KHz. It is not the rigs frequency. There are no bells and whistles like point and click. Despite these short commings it is perfectly adequate for busting pileups. You simply tune the subrx to the blip that you think the DX is working and ID it by ear.There is no concern about offsets et al.It is simplicity and works great. Only occasionally have I wished for a bit more. A bit more turns out to be SKIMMER. The next step up is SKIMMER. It has rig control and displays a true frequency scale. While you could probably use the display on phone, its main purpose is to decode all the CW signals within its 24KHz decode window. There is point and click and spotting of decoded signals. It provides a band map and also a tabulation of calls decoded that can be displayed sorted alphabetically. There also exists a program that moves the 24 KHz window around with user set dwell times. SKIMMER is excellent for contests and busting very difficult CW pileups -- if you can hear most of the calling stations. For CW contests it is in invisible second op spot generator that nicely feeds N1MM and other contest programs. These spots are high value spots in that you're actually hearing them. While none of this approaches the P3's sophistication. I have found it to be perfectly adequate. I'm not influenced by how sexy the display is or a bunch of bells and whistles. KISS is what I'm happy with. Try it, you may like it. I'm just a satisfied user I have in pecuniary interests in either program. 73 de Brian/K3KO On 1/28/2015 10:36 PM, Tom Blahovici wrote: Harry, While its a nice idea there are a couple of commands missing in the api to allow this to be done properly. If all you are interested is seeing the spectrum and doing qsys it probably is possible. But to do the job semi-correctly you would need some customized code to do so. Tom va2fsq.com On Jan 28, 2015 10:10 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote: Thank you I already have the Clifton labs Buffer amp and a softrock lite that I was got a while ago. It would be interesting if a Second P3 could be hooked up,I suspect it would have to be coded for the P3 to know what VFO it is looking at. I'll have to look into if someone already has written a NaP3 type program that supports 2 Receivers(I only played with that program briefly and found it to be nice) From: Mike Harris To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 6:36 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] IF out of 2nd Receiver in K3? See PVRC (Potomac Valley Radio Club) Newsletter June 2012. Regards, Mike VP8NO On 28/01/2015 18:20, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote: That would be nice You could run two P3s From: Doug Ellmore To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 1:39 PM Subject: [Elecraft] IF out of 2nd Receiver in K3? Is there a way to get the IF out of the optional 2nd receiver of a K3? In addition to looking at two different bands in HF, I am thinking it would be great to be able to look at both 6m and 2m for field day with one K3. Doug NA1DX na...@arrl.net www.ellmore.net/na1dx __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hlyin...@yahoo.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tom...@videotron.ca __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailma
Re: [Elecraft] IF out of 2nd Receiver in K3?
Guys, Before trashing this, one actually needs to use it as I have for years. I've used it with the ROCKY (free) panadapter program and SKIMMER ($75) cw decode program. You do need an SDR and available sound card to use them. ROCKY is a bare bones spectrum display. It can be sized and easily fit on your computer display along witht logging programs which don't hog the entire display. This is where a panadapter diisplay ought to be IMHO. The frequency scale is relative in KHz. It is not the rigs frequency. There are no bells and whistles like point and click. Despite these short commings it is perfectly adequate for busting pileups. You simply tune the subrx to the blip that you think the DX is working and ID it by ear.There is no concern about offsets et al.It is simplicity and works great. Only occasionally have I wished for a bit more. A bit more turns out to be SKIMMER. The next step up is SKIMMER. It has rig control and displays a true frequency scale. While you could probably use the display on phone, its main purpose is to decode all the CW signals within its 24KHz decode window. There is point and click and spotting of decoded signals. It provides a band map and also a tabulation of calls decoded that can be displayed sorted alphabetically. There also exists a program that moves the 24 KHz window around with user set dwell times. SKIMMER is excellent for contests and busting very difficult CW pileups -- if you can hear most of the calling stations. For CW contests it is in invisible second op spot generator that nicely feeds N1MM and other contest programs. These spots are high value spots in that you're actually hearing them. While none of this approaches the P3's sophistication. I have found it to be perfectly adequate. I'm not influenced by how sexy the display is or a bunch of bells and whistles. KISS is what I'm happy with. Try it, you may like it. I'm just a satisfied user I have in pecuniary interests in either program. 73 de Brian/K3KO On 1/28/2015 10:36 PM, Tom Blahovici wrote: Harry, While its a nice idea there are a couple of commands missing in the api to allow this to be done properly. If all you are interested is seeing the spectrum and doing qsys it probably is possible. But to do the job semi-correctly you would need some customized code to do so. Tom va2fsq.com On Jan 28, 2015 10:10 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote: Thank you I already have the Clifton labs Buffer amp and a softrock lite that I was got a while ago. It would be interesting if a Second P3 could be hooked up,I suspect it would have to be coded for the P3 to know what VFO it is looking at. I'll have to look into if someone already has written a NaP3 type program that supports 2 Receivers(I only played with that program briefly and found it to be nice) From: Mike Harris To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 6:36 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] IF out of 2nd Receiver in K3? See PVRC (Potomac Valley Radio Club) Newsletter June 2012. Regards, Mike VP8NO On 28/01/2015 18:20, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote: That would be nice You could run two P3s From: Doug Ellmore To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 1:39 PM Subject: [Elecraft] IF out of 2nd Receiver in K3? Is there a way to get the IF out of the optional 2nd receiver of a K3? In addition to looking at two different bands in HF, I am thinking it would be great to be able to look at both 6m and 2m for field day with one K3. Doug NA1DX na...@arrl.net www.ellmore.net/na1dx __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hlyin...@yahoo.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tom...@videotron.ca __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to als...@nc.rr.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2249 / Virus Database: 4257/8512 - Release Date: 01/28/15 ___
Re: [Elecraft] IF out of 2nd Receiver in K3?
Doug, Its not difficult if you do not mind soldering a disc ceramic cap to the subreceiver board and running some RG-174. I outlined how I did that on my webpage: http://www.kl7uw.com/LINRAD.htm Scroll down the page until you come to the heading: Connecting K3 Sub-Receiver IF to LP-Pan: Connection is near the noise blanker jack-J78, pin1 and W3. Just solder a .001 uF disc ceramic cap and attach other end to center conductor of the RG-174. Full instructions on my website. Use static protection while handling the open sub-receiver. 73, Ed - KL7UW -- From: Doug Ellmore To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] IF out of 2nd Receiver in K3? Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Is there a way to get the IF out of the optional 2nd receiver of a K3? In addition to looking at two different bands in HF, I am thinking it would be great to be able to look at both 6m and 2m for field day with one K3. Doug NA1DX na...@arrl.net www.ellmore.net/na1dx 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubus...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] IF out of 2nd Receiver in K3?
Harry, While its a nice idea there are a couple of commands missing in the api to allow this to be done properly. If all you are interested is seeing the spectrum and doing qsys it probably is possible. But to do the job semi-correctly you would need some customized code to do so. Tom va2fsq.com On Jan 28, 2015 10:10 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote: > > Thank you > I already have the Clifton labs Buffer amp and a softrock lite that I was got > a while ago. > It would be interesting if a Second P3 could be hooked up,I suspect it would > have to be coded for the P3 to know what VFO it is looking at. > I'll have to look into if someone already has written a NaP3 type program > that supports 2 Receivers(I only played with that program briefly and found > it to be nice) > > From: Mike Harris > To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 6:36 PM > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] IF out of 2nd Receiver in K3? > > See PVRC (Potomac Valley Radio Club) Newsletter June 2012. > > Regards, > > Mike VP8NO > > On 28/01/2015 18:20, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote: > > That would be nice > > You could run two P3s > > > > > > > > From: Doug Ellmore > > To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 1:39 PM > > Subject: [Elecraft] IF out of 2nd Receiver in K3? > > > > Is there a way to get the IF out of the optional 2nd receiver of a K3? > > > > In addition to looking at two different bands in HF, I am thinking it would > > be great to be able to look at both 6m and 2m for field day with one K3. > > > > > > Doug NA1DX > > na...@arrl.net > > www.ellmore.net/na1dx > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to hlyin...@yahoo.com > > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to tom...@videotron.ca __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] IF out of 2nd Receiver in K3?
Thank you I already have the Clifton labs Buffer amp and a softrock lite that I was got a while ago. It would be interesting if a Second P3 could be hooked up,I suspect it would have to be coded for the P3 to know what VFO it is looking at. I'll have to look into if someone already has written a NaP3 type program that supports 2 Receivers(I only played with that program briefly and found it to be nice) From: Mike Harris To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 6:36 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] IF out of 2nd Receiver in K3? See PVRC (Potomac Valley Radio Club) Newsletter June 2012. Regards, Mike VP8NO On 28/01/2015 18:20, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote: > That would be nice > You could run two P3s > > > > From: Doug Ellmore > To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 1:39 PM > Subject: [Elecraft] IF out of 2nd Receiver in K3? > > Is there a way to get the IF out of the optional 2nd receiver of a K3? > > In addition to looking at two different bands in HF, I am thinking it would > be great to be able to look at both 6m and 2m for field day with one K3. > > > Doug NA1DX > na...@arrl.net > www.ellmore.net/na1dx __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hlyin...@yahoo.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] IF out of 2nd Receiver in K3?
Hi That assumes one is using a p3. A software panadapter would work fine except that there would no way to get the if shift from the sub since that command doesn't exist. It could still be done but it would be a bit of a hack. Tom va2fsq.com On Jan 28, 2015 8:20 PM, Alan wrote: > > Right, the P3 would work only in tracking mode (no fixed-tune mode) and > the sub receiver frequency and receiver bandwidth would not display on > the P3. Also, click-to-QSY would not work and the reference level would > not be correct. But you can still change the span, offset the center > frequency, change the reference level and scale, turn on the waterfall > and averaging, adjust the markers (reading relative frequency) and use > most of the other features. > > Alan N1AL > > > > On 01/28/2015 04:57 PM, David Gilbert wrote: > > > > As best I remember, though, the P3 talks only to the main receiver ... > > right? I believe that anyone wanting to display the sub-receiver > > would have to use a different panadapter scheme if they want > > handshaking capability such as frequency information, point/click QSY, > > etc. > > > > The N2QT modification described in the June 12 PVRC newsletter (easily > > found via Google search) describes how to do this in better detail > > than the reference below. > > > > Dave AB7E > > > > > > > > On 1/28/2015 4:43 PM, Alan wrote: > >> There is no official Elecraft modification to access the sub-receiver > >> IF output, but they do have some information on the web site about > >> others have done it: > >> > >> http://www.elecraft.com/K3/K3FAQ.htm#sub%20rx%20if > >> > >> Alan N1AL > >> > >> > >> On 01/28/2015 10:39 AM, Doug Ellmore wrote: > >>> Is there a way to get the IF out of the optional 2nd receiver of a K3? > >>> > >>> In addition to looking at two different bands in HF, I am thinking > >>> it would > >>> be great to be able to look at both 6m and 2m for field day with one > >>> K3. > >>> > >> > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to tom...@videotron.ca __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] IF out of 2nd Receiver in K3?
Right, the P3 would work only in tracking mode (no fixed-tune mode) and the sub receiver frequency and receiver bandwidth would not display on the P3. Also, click-to-QSY would not work and the reference level would not be correct. But you can still change the span, offset the center frequency, change the reference level and scale, turn on the waterfall and averaging, adjust the markers (reading relative frequency) and use most of the other features. Alan N1AL On 01/28/2015 04:57 PM, David Gilbert wrote: As best I remember, though, the P3 talks only to the main receiver ... right? I believe that anyone wanting to display the sub-receiver would have to use a different panadapter scheme if they want handshaking capability such as frequency information, point/click QSY, etc. The N2QT modification described in the June 12 PVRC newsletter (easily found via Google search) describes how to do this in better detail than the reference below. Dave AB7E On 1/28/2015 4:43 PM, Alan wrote: There is no official Elecraft modification to access the sub-receiver IF output, but they do have some information on the web site about others have done it: http://www.elecraft.com/K3/K3FAQ.htm#sub%20rx%20if Alan N1AL On 01/28/2015 10:39 AM, Doug Ellmore wrote: Is there a way to get the IF out of the optional 2nd receiver of a K3? In addition to looking at two different bands in HF, I am thinking it would be great to be able to look at both 6m and 2m for field day with one K3. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] IF out of 2nd Receiver in K3?
As best I remember, though, the P3 talks only to the main receiver ... right? I believe that anyone wanting to display the sub-receiver would have to use a different panadapter scheme if they want handshaking capability such as frequency information, point/click QSY, etc. The N2QT modification described in the June 12 PVRC newsletter (easily found via Google search) describes how to do this in better detail than the reference below. Dave AB7E On 1/28/2015 4:43 PM, Alan wrote: There is no official Elecraft modification to access the sub-receiver IF output, but they do have some information on the web site about others have done it: http://www.elecraft.com/K3/K3FAQ.htm#sub%20rx%20if Alan N1AL On 01/28/2015 10:39 AM, Doug Ellmore wrote: Is there a way to get the IF out of the optional 2nd receiver of a K3? In addition to looking at two different bands in HF, I am thinking it would be great to be able to look at both 6m and 2m for field day with one K3. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to xda...@cis-broadband.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] IF out of 2nd Receiver in K3?
There is no official Elecraft modification to access the sub-receiver IF output, but they do have some information on the web site about others have done it: http://www.elecraft.com/K3/K3FAQ.htm#sub%20rx%20if Alan N1AL On 01/28/2015 10:39 AM, Doug Ellmore wrote: Is there a way to get the IF out of the optional 2nd receiver of a K3? In addition to looking at two different bands in HF, I am thinking it would be great to be able to look at both 6m and 2m for field day with one K3. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] IF out of 2nd Receiver in K3?
See PVRC (Potomac Valley Radio Club) Newsletter June 2012. Regards, Mike VP8NO On 28/01/2015 18:20, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote: That would be nice You could run two P3s From: Doug Ellmore To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 1:39 PM Subject: [Elecraft] IF out of 2nd Receiver in K3? Is there a way to get the IF out of the optional 2nd receiver of a K3? In addition to looking at two different bands in HF, I am thinking it would be great to be able to look at both 6m and 2m for field day with one K3. Doug NA1DX na...@arrl.net www.ellmore.net/na1dx __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] IF out of 2nd Receiver in K3?
That would be nice You could run two P3s From: Doug Ellmore To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 1:39 PM Subject: [Elecraft] IF out of 2nd Receiver in K3? Is there a way to get the IF out of the optional 2nd receiver of a K3? In addition to looking at two different bands in HF, I am thinking it would be great to be able to look at both 6m and 2m for field day with one K3. Doug NA1DX na...@arrl.net www.ellmore.net/na1dx __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hlyin...@yahoo.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Elecraft] IF out of 2nd Receiver in K3?
Is there a way to get the IF out of the optional 2nd receiver of a K3? In addition to looking at two different bands in HF, I am thinking it would be great to be able to look at both 6m and 2m for field day with one K3. Doug NA1DX na...@arrl.net www.ellmore.net/na1dx __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
