[Elecraft] K3: Simple NR/NB feature suggestion
Hello Tim, Yes, I agree with me that it would worth a try. There are always Beta version of FW for our evaluation. This is the selling point of elecraft. TNX 73, Johnny VR2XMC 從︰ Tim Tucker ae...@worldwidedx.com 收件人︰ Elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net 傳送日期︰ 2011年05月18日 (週三) 11:11 AM 主題︰ Re: [Elecraft] K3: Simple NR/NB feature suggestion *Another suggestion is to have the main tuning knob change the left number and the VFO B knob change the right number. This way you can increment or decrement either. * That would work too. *frankly I don't think it is a good idea to make a change like you suggest, when the current system works fine. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.* I understand that not everyone would like this. That isn't the point. Clearly there are enough people that have some issue with the way the NR/NB is implemented that some discussion on other points of view can't hurt. If you could change the way it works to either method, it would satisfy either use case scenario. And BTW, I'm also an extremely experienced software developer, so I understand the implications of what I'm asking. Elecraft knows the code base; we don't, so I'll defer to their judgment on how difficult it is to implement. Tim __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3: Simple NR/NB feature suggestion
Hmmm..I would like to try this also! Gary On 18 May 2011 16:55, Johnny Siu vr2...@yahoo.com.hk wrote: Hello Tim, Yes, I agree with me that it would worth a try. There are always Beta version of FW for our evaluation. This is the selling point of elecraft. TNX 73, Johnny VR2XMC 從︰ Tim Tucker ae...@worldwidedx.com 收件人︰ Elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net 傳送日期︰ 2011年05月18日 (週三) 11:11 AM 主題︰ Re: [Elecraft] K3: Simple NR/NB feature suggestion *Another suggestion is to have the main tuning knob change the left number and the VFO B knob change the right number. This way you can increment or decrement either. * That would work too. *frankly I don't think it is a good idea to make a change like you suggest, when the current system works fine. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.* I understand that not everyone would like this. That isn't the point. Clearly there are enough people that have some issue with the way the NR/NB is implemented that some discussion on other points of view can't hurt. If you could change the way it works to either method, it would satisfy either use case scenario. And BTW, I'm also an extremely experienced software developer, so I understand the implications of what I'm asking. Elecraft knows the code base; we don't, so I'll defer to their judgment on how difficult it is to implement. Tim __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html -- VK4FD - Motorhome Mobile Elecraft Equipment K3 #679, KPA-500 #018 Living the dream!!! __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3: Simple NR/NB feature suggestion
I like Tim's suggestion and would like to try/Beta test. 73 Dave G3WGN WJ6O - 73 Dave G3WGN WJ6O -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-Simple-NR-NB-feature-suggestion-tp6375085p6377133.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] K3: Simple NR/NB feature suggestion
I've followed the various discussions on how well the NR/NB works as compared to other rigs. I've used NR functionality in many different rigs, as well as just about every after market solution. In my area, the QRM makes NR/NB absolutely a necessity. Part of makes the NR NB seem easier to use in other rigs (like Icoms) is that the setting is continually variable from least to most. The operator can tell when he's gotten too aggressive with it to suit his listening style and can easily back it down. As we all know, the K3 allows you to cycle through the various levels within an group setting and then you go through that cycle again with the next group setting (I think I said that correctly ;) ) Here's my feature suggestion - For me, it seems that I am often trying to compare the amount of NR/NB applied between the major groupings. For example, when I operate SSB (which is most of the time), I may already know that I want just a little NR based on what I hear, but I want to hear the difference between 5-1, 6-1,7-1, and 8-1. But I can't do that without cycling through them all. Also, because I have to go from 5-1 to 5-2, 5-3, etc. before I get to 6-1, my ears have lost the reference point, which was 5-1. Same thing applies with NB settings. If we could have a menu button while in DSP adjustment that would rearrange the settings so they cycled through the groups at the same level setting first, I think it would be very powerful and very awesome! For the NR, you would need to preserve the groupings that are intended for CW/digital voice. As I understand it, settings 1-1 through 4-4 are intended for CW/digital and 5-1 through 8-4 are intended for phone? Assuming my previous statement is correct, the new NR option, when activated would cycle like this: 1-1, 2-1, 3-1, 4-1, 1-2, 2-2, 3-2. 4-2, (etc), 5-1, 6-1, 7-1, 8-1, 5-2, 6-2, 7-2, 8-2, (etc.). The NB could have the same feature. It seems like it would be a fairly simple firmware feature addition without doing major changes to the actual NR/NB algorithms and also bridge the differences between an Icom like implementation and the Elecraft implementation. You should also be able to switch it easily back and forth between the two options. Does anybody else like this concept? Tim AE6LX www.worldwidedx.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3: Simple NR/NB feature suggestion
Tim, I like this idea for the same reasons you articulated so well. Regards, Al W6LX __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3: Simple NR/NB feature suggestion
Tim: Sounds like a good idea to put them in that order and then drop the F and number them 1through 32. Sometimes simple is better! Steve N4LQ - Original Message - From: Tim Tucker ae...@worldwidedx.com To: Elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 4:43 PM Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Simple NR/NB feature suggestion I've followed the various discussions on how well the NR/NB works as compared to other rigs. I've used NR functionality in many different rigs, as well as just about every after market solution. In my area, the QRM makes NR/NB absolutely a necessity. Part of makes the NR NB seem easier to use in other rigs (like Icoms) is that the setting is continually variable from least to most. The operator can tell when he's gotten too aggressive with it to suit his listening style and can easily back it down. As we all know, the K3 allows you to cycle through the various levels within an group setting and then you go through that cycle again with the next group setting (I think I said that correctly ;) ) Here's my feature suggestion - For me, it seems that I am often trying to compare the amount of NR/NB applied between the major groupings. For example, when I operate SSB (which is most of the time), I may already know that I want just a little NR based on what I hear, but I want to hear the difference between 5-1, 6-1,7-1, and 8-1. But I can't do that without cycling through them all. Also, because I have to go from 5-1 to 5-2, 5-3, etc. before I get to 6-1, my ears have lost the reference point, which was 5-1. Same thing applies with NB settings. If we could have a menu button while in DSP adjustment that would rearrange the settings so they cycled through the groups at the same level setting first, I think it would be very powerful and very awesome! For the NR, you would need to preserve the groupings that are intended for CW/digital voice. As I understand it, settings 1-1 through 4-4 are intended for CW/digital and 5-1 through 8-4 are intended for phone? Assuming my previous statement is correct, the new NR option, when activated would cycle like this: 1-1, 2-1, 3-1, 4-1, 1-2, 2-2, 3-2. 4-2, (etc), 5-1, 6-1, 7-1, 8-1, 5-2, 6-2, 7-2, 8-2, (etc.). The NB could have the same feature. It seems like it would be a fairly simple firmware feature addition without doing major changes to the actual NR/NB algorithms and also bridge the differences between an Icom like implementation and the Elecraft implementation. You should also be able to switch it easily back and forth between the two options. Does anybody else like this concept? Tim AE6LX www.worldwidedx.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3: Simple NR/NB feature suggestion
I don't. See below... On Tue, 17 May 2011 13:43:15 -0700, Tim Tucker ae...@worldwidedx.com wrote: I've followed the various discussions on how well the NR/NB works as compared to other rigs. I've used NR functionality in many different rigs, as well as just about every after market solution. In my area, the QRM makes NR/NB absolutely a necessity. Part of makes the NR NB seem easier to use in other rigs (like Icoms) is that the setting is continually variable from least to most. The operator can tell when he's gotten too aggressive with it to suit his listening style and can easily back it down. As we all know, the K3 allows you to cycle through the various levels within an group setting and then you go through that cycle again with the next group setting (I think I said that correctly ;) ) I like the groups, they kelp me know where I am in the sequence. Here's my feature suggestion - For me, it seems that I am often trying to compare the amount of NR/NB applied between the major groupings. For example, when I operate SSB (which is most of the time), I may already know that I want just a little NR based on what I hear, but I want to hear the difference between 5-1, 6-1,7-1, and 8-1. But I can't do that without cycling through them all. Also, because I have to go from 5-1 to 5-2, 5-3, etc. before I get to 6-1, my ears have lost the reference point, which was 5-1. Same thing applies with NB settings. If we could have a menu button while in DSP adjustment that would rearrange the settings so they cycled through the groups at the same level setting first, I think it would be very powerful and very awesome! For the NR, you would need to preserve the groupings that are intended for CW/digital voice. As I understand it, settings 1-1 through 4-4 are intended for CW/digital and 5-1 through 8-4 are intended for phone? Assuming my previous statement is correct, the new NR option, when activated would cycle like this: 1-1, 2-1, 3-1, 4-1, 1-2, 2-2, 3-2. 4-2, (etc), 5-1, 6-1, 7-1, 8-1, 5-2, 6-2, 7-2, 8-2, (etc.). I probably don't really understand what you are doing here, but on the surface it seems to me you are asking that the settings be grouped by number instead of a text description. The NB could have the same feature. It seems like it would be a fairly simple firmware feature addition without doing major changes to the actual NR/NB algorithms and also bridge the differences between an Icom like implementation and the Elecraft implementation. You should also be able to switch it easily back and forth between the two options. Does anybody else like this concept? Being a software developer, I can tell you that what you are asking for is not a fairly simple firmware feature addition without doing major changes and frankly I don't think it is a good idea to make a change like you suggest, when the current system works fine. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Tim AE6LX [snip] __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3: Simple NR/NB feature suggestion
Good suggestion. I like it. 73, Charlie, K4ZRJ Sent from my MacBook Pro. On May 17, 2011, at 4:43 PM, Tim Tucker wrote: I've followed the various discussions on how well the NR/NB works as compared to other rigs. I've used NR functionality in many different rigs, as well as just about every after market solution. In my area, the QRM makes NR/NB absolutely a necessity. Part of makes the NR NB seem easier to use in other rigs (like Icoms) is that the setting is continually variable from least to most. The operator can tell when he's gotten too aggressive with it to suit his listening style and can easily back it down. As we all know, the K3 allows you to cycle through the various levels within an group setting and then you go through that cycle again with the next group setting (I think I said that correctly ;) ) Here's my feature suggestion - For me, it seems that I am often trying to compare the amount of NR/NB applied between the major groupings. For example, when I operate SSB (which is most of the time), I may already know that I want just a little NR based on what I hear, but I want to hear the difference between 5-1, 6-1,7-1, and 8-1. But I can't do that without cycling through them all. Also, because I have to go from 5-1 to 5-2, 5-3, etc. before I get to 6-1, my ears have lost the reference point, which was 5-1. Same thing applies with NB settings. If we could have a menu button while in DSP adjustment that would rearrange the settings so they cycled through the groups at the same level setting first, I think it would be very powerful and very awesome! For the NR, you would need to preserve the groupings that are intended for CW/digital voice. As I understand it, settings 1-1 through 4-4 are intended for CW/digital and 5-1 through 8-4 are intended for phone? Assuming my previous statement is correct, the new NR option, when activated would cycle like this: 1-1, 2-1, 3-1, 4-1, 1-2, 2-2, 3-2. 4-2, (etc), 5-1, 6-1, 7-1, 8-1, 5-2, 6-2, 7-2, 8-2, (etc.). The NB could have the same feature. It seems like it would be a fairly simple firmware feature addition without doing major changes to the actual NR/NB algorithms and also bridge the differences between an Icom like implementation and the Elecraft implementation. You should also be able to switch it easily back and forth between the two options. Does anybody else like this concept? Tim AE6LX www.worldwidedx.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3: Simple NR/NB feature suggestion
Another suggestion is to have the main tuning knob change the left number and the VFO B knob change the right number. This way you can increment or decrement either. Frank - W4NHJ -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-Simple-NR-NB-feature-suggestion-tp6375085p6376148.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3: Simple NR/NB feature suggestion
*Another suggestion is to have the main tuning knob change the left number and the VFO B knob change the right number. This way you can increment or decrement either. * That would work too. *frankly I don't think it is a good idea to make a change like you suggest, when the current system works fine. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.* I understand that not everyone would like this. That isn't the point. Clearly there are enough people that have some issue with the way the NR/NB is implemented that some discussion on other points of view can't hurt. If you could change the way it works to either method, it would satisfy either use case scenario. And BTW, I'm also an extremely experienced software developer, so I understand the implications of what I'm asking. Elecraft knows the code base; we don't, so I'll defer to their judgment on how difficult it is to implement. Tim __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
