Re: [Elecraft] K3 - Linking the VFOs for CW - SSB switching
Someone replied to a query to Elecraft posted to the list: First of all, nothing has been implemented yet. Second, let's not complicate things here. The only thing being suggested is that the K3 be capable of CW while one is operating SSB. This feature is currently found on several Yaesu and Icom rigs (don't know about Kenwood). The paddle/key would be in parallel with the microphone (so to speak). Hitting the paddle would automatically put the rig into CW mode and when key-up occurs, the rig automatically reverts back to SSB mode. No switch fiddling, button pushing, or other operator input would be required. No change in frequency would occur EXCEPT that during key-down the standard CW offset would happen. By necessity, the feature would be enabled and disabled through a menu option. If CW is not your thing, don't worry about it -- you won't need it anyway. Thankfully, although above we are told nothing has been implemented, what was just released is user selectable. To hear from somebody so 'in the know' is greatly appreciated. The root problem being addressed is some not knowing where CW ends up in relation to where the radio was tuned for SSB. If CW/CW-R placed CW in the correct place in relation to LSB/USB then the radio, when mode switched, selected the appropriate CW mode for the sideband previously selected, the root problem would be addressed without the apparently not complicated process of the radio on its own changing modes moving CW when the key line is asserted in SSB. To have requested this change, CW is not in the right place to simply switch from either LSB/USB to begin with, otherwise there would have been no need for the suggestion of how to achieve same (see subject-field of this thread) nor the request to implement functionality that goes beyond addressing the root problem. However, since that root problem merited a change, then perhaps the far greater problem of folks not being able to get to grips with where LSB/USB end up in relation to band edges will be addressed shortly. -VR2/KBrett7Graham/p. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 - Linking the VFOs for CW - SSB switching
K9ZTV wrote: The only thing being suggested is that the K3 be capable of CW while one is operating SSB. This feature is currently found on several Yaesu and My comment about the K2 referred to the use of the mode switch (on the K2 PTT and one of the key lines are physically the same, so a mode switch is essential). Where PTT and key lines are distinct, I would still see it beneficial to implement with the mode switch, even if it was also implemented as a, transmit only, feature with the key. Unfortunately, K2 firmware changes are much more costly, although it might be worth stocking up on blank parts, in case the source is ever opened. Icom rigs (don't know about Kenwood). The paddle/key would be in parallel with the microphone (so to speak). Hitting the paddle would -- David Woolley The Elecraft list is a forum for the discussion of topics related to Elecraft products and more general topics related ham radio List Guidelines http://www.elecraft.com/elecraft_list_guidelines.htm ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 - Linking the VFOs for CW - SSB switching
G4ILO wrote: If what we're discussing is the ability to change modes and keep the same signal centered in the passband then I agree it would be a nice feature - There are time when I would have found this useful on the K2 and I am having difficulty thinking of any case where the current behaviour would be an advantage. -- David Woolley The Elecraft list is a forum for the discussion of topics related to Elecraft products and more general topics related ham radio List Guidelines http://www.elecraft.com/elecraft_list_guidelines.htm ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 - Linking the VFOs for CW - SSB switching
Add my vote to this. I can't even estimate how many contacts I have missed while changing modes and retuning. - Ron K9ZTV [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree completely with Joe, having found this a convenient feature on HF when using an FT-897. K9ZTV Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: After experiencing it with the FT-2000, I find auto CW a joy to use for tuning a quiet band ... I can tune in SSB and, if I find myself in the CW band, answer a CW call without the need to frantically change modes and retune. Quite simply, if one is in LSB and taps the key, the radio should automatically shift to CW zero beat with the normal CW offset (e.g., 500 Hz, 600 Hz, etc.) - if one is in USB, the radio should shift to CW-R with the proper offset. Similarly, changing modes from LSB to CW should result in no change in received tone and changing modes from USB to CW should automatically select CW-R with no change in received tone. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] K3 - Linking the VFOs for CW - SSB switching
Me, too! I'd -really- welcome this feature. BUT, I'd like to be able to select the off-set tone. The 700 Hz suggested earlier is -way- too high! (:-)) 73! Ken Kopp - K0PP [EMAIL PROTECTED] Add my vote to this. I can't even estimate how many contacts I have missed while changing modes and retuning. - Ron K9ZTV [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree completely with Joe, having found this a convenient feature on HF when using an FT-897. K9ZTV Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: After experiencing it with the FT-2000, I find auto CW a joy to use for tuning a quiet band ... I can tune in SSB and, if I ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 - Linking the VFOs for CW - SSB switching
Wouldn't the offset be whatever the CW pitch is set to? Bob NW8L On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 2:27 PM, Ken Kopp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Me, too! I'd -really- welcome this feature. BUT, I'd like to be able to select the off-set tone. The 700 Hz suggested earlier is -way- too high! (:-)) 73! Ken Kopp - K0PP [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 - Linking the VFOs for CW - SSB switching
I agree on making it selectable, or possibly have it track the CW offset sidetone that is currently configured. Yes - listening to 700 Hz would quickly send me to the bottle of Excedrine. But individual tastes do vary. :^) Ron - W2RIP Ken Kopp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Me, too! I'd -really- welcome this feature. BUT, I'd like to be able to select the off-set tone. The 700 Hz suggested earlier is -way- too high! (:-)) 73! Ken Kopp - K0PP [EMAIL PROTECTED] Add my vote to this. I can't even estimate how many contacts I have missed while changing modes and retuning. - Ron K9ZTV wrote: I agree completely with Joe, having found this a convenient feature on HF when using an FT-897. K9ZTV Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: After experiencing it with the FT-2000, I find auto CW a joy to use for tuning a quiet band ... I can tune in SSB and, if I ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 - Linking the VFOs for CW - SSB switching
Ken and All, I haven't followed this thread very closely, so now I'm a bit confused about the subject line. If I understand it right, the question is can the K3 be set up so that you can just hit the paddle and be on CW, even though you have currently selected SSB. Is that right? If so, I'm not sure why the thread subject line says Linking the VFO's I would think it would just be a matter of automatically changing the mode temporarily for transmit. I would assume that Elecraft can do this, and if they do, the offset will be whatever you set it for. Your CW sidetone is fully adjustable, and that would be the process. My FT-897 (I assume the FT-857 has it too) has this feature, and it is pretty handy at times. Via the menu you can set this feature to be active (menu #22), and you can even choose whether the offset is up, down, or automatically selected for you (menu #23). But the amount of the offset is based on whatever you have set previously for CW operation, which is what you would want. You can be talking on SSB, then just hit the paddle to send in CW. I don't think it involves more than just the VFO you have currently selected. I'm probably missing something here as far as what the original question really was. Dave W7AQK - Original Message - From: Ken Kopp [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 1:27 PM Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - Linking the VFOs for CW - SSB switching Me, too! I'd -really- welcome this feature. BUT, I'd like to be able to select the off-set tone. The 700 Hz suggested earlier is -way- too high! (:-)) 73! Ken Kopp - K0PP [EMAIL PROTECTED] Add my vote to this. I can't even estimate how many contacts I have missed while changing modes and retuning. - Ron K9ZTV [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree completely with Joe, having found this a convenient feature on HF when using an FT-897. K9ZTV Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: After experiencing it with the FT-2000, I find auto CW a joy to use for tuning a quiet band ... I can tune in SSB and, if I ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 - Linking the VFOs for CW - SSB switching
I can't explain the original subject line, either, but y'all may have missed the fact that Eric and Wayne have already implemented this feature in the firmware and it is in the final testing phase (post from Eric on 5/2 -- is that only yesterday?). Anyway, it's a reality! -- for Elecraft, anyway, and for us very shortly. Looks like my K3 and this firmware feature will arrive at about the same time -- albeit not necessarily in the same box. :-) I do sense that there are still some guys out there who are scratching their collective heads, wondering why somebody would see this feature as such a big deal. It has to do with the way CW is used in conjunction with SSB on the VHF bands. While there are nominal CW-only sub-bands on 6 and 2 meters, CW is frequently used on the SSB frequencies when signals become too weak for voice modulation to support communication. You just start sending CW on the fly, and the other guy will hear it more or less centered in his SSB receive passband. No retuning. When you stop sending (or in between code elements, if you are running QSK) you are still receiving in SSB mode -- so whether he comes back to you on SSB or CW, you will hear him either way. You want to transmit again in SSB, just grab the mike and talk. This feature was my favorite thing about the FT-897, which otherwise was a rather forgettable entry-level rig in terms of its close-in strong signal performance. Once again, the K3 is evolving into a stellar radio for both the HF and VHF/UHF worlds, where high-end performance requirements are really very different. Thanks, guys! Bill W5WVO David Yarnes wrote: Ken and All, I haven't followed this thread very closely, so now I'm a bit confused about the subject line. If I understand it right, the question is can the K3 be set up so that you can just hit the paddle and be on CW, even though you have currently selected SSB. Is that right? If so, I'm not sure why the thread subject line says Linking the VFO's I would think it would just be a matter of automatically changing the mode temporarily for transmit. I would assume that Elecraft can do this, and if they do, the offset will be whatever you set it for. Your CW sidetone is fully adjustable, and that would be the process. My FT-897 (I assume the FT-857 has it too) has this feature, and it is pretty handy at times. Via the menu you can set this feature to be active (menu #22), and you can even choose whether the offset is up, down, or automatically selected for you (menu #23). But the amount of the offset is based on whatever you have set previously for CW operation, which is what you would want. You can be talking on SSB, then just hit the paddle to send in CW. I don't think it involves more than just the VFO you have currently selected. I'm probably missing something here as far as what the original question really was. Dave W7AQK - Original Message - From: Ken Kopp [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 1:27 PM Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - Linking the VFOs for CW - SSB switching Me, too! I'd -really- welcome this feature. BUT, I'd like to be able to select the off-set tone. The 700 Hz suggested earlier is -way- too high! (:-)) 73! Ken Kopp - K0PP [EMAIL PROTECTED] Add my vote to this. I can't even estimate how many contacts I have missed while changing modes and retuning. - Ron K9ZTV [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree completely with Joe, having found this a convenient feature on HF when using an FT-897. K9ZTV Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: After experiencing it with the FT-2000, I find auto CW a joy to use for tuning a quiet band ... I can tune in SSB and, if I ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 - Linking the VFOs for CW - SSB switching
Yep, I did indeed miss it and I'm delighted with the news. - Ron Bill W5WVO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't explain the original subject line, either, but y'all may have missed the fact that Eric and Wayne have already implemented this feature in the firmware and it is in the final testing phase (post from Eric on 5/2 -- is that only yesterday?). Anyway, it's a reality! -- for Elecraft, anyway, and for us very shortly. Looks like my K3 and this firmware feature will arrive at about the same time -- albeit not necessarily in the same box. :-) I do sense that there are still some guys out there who are scratching their collective heads, wondering why somebody would see this feature as such a big deal. It has to do with the way CW is used in conjunction with SSB on the VHF bands. While there are nominal CW-only sub-bands on 6 and 2 meters, CW is frequently used on the SSB frequencies when signals become too weak for voice modulation to support communication. You just start sending CW on the fly, and the other guy will hear it more or less centered in his SSB receive passband. No retuning. When you stop sending (or in between code elements, if you are running QSK) you are still receiving in SSB mode -- so whether he comes back to you on SSB or CW, you will hear him either way. You want to transmit again in SSB, just grab the mike and talk. This feature was my favorite thing about the FT-897, which otherwise was a rather forgettable entry-level rig in terms of its close-in strong signal performance. Once again, the K3 is evolving into a stellar radio for both the HF and VHF/UHF worlds, where high-end performance requirements are really very different. Thanks, guys! Bill W5WVO David Yarnes wrote: Ken and All, I haven't followed this thread very closely, so now I'm a bit confused about the subject line. If I understand it right, the question is can the K3 be set up so that you can just hit the paddle and be on CW, even though you have currently selected SSB. Is that right? If so, I'm not sure why the thread subject line says Linking the VFO's I would think it would just be a matter of automatically changing the mode temporarily for transmit. I would assume that Elecraft can do this, and if they do, the offset will be whatever you set it for. Your CW sidetone is fully adjustable, and that would be the process. My FT-897 (I assume the FT-857 has it too) has this feature, and it is pretty handy at times. Via the menu you can set this feature to be active (menu #22), and you can even choose whether the offset is up, down, or automatically selected for you (menu #23). But the amount of the offset is based on whatever you have set previously for CW operation, which is what you would want. You can be talking on SSB, then just hit the paddle to send in CW. I don't think it involves more than just the VFO you have currently selected. I'm probably missing something here as far as what the original question really was. Dave W7AQK - Original Message - From: Ken Kopp To: Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 1:27 PM Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - Linking the VFOs for CW - SSB switching Me, too! I'd -really- welcome this feature. BUT, I'd like to be able to select the off-set tone. The 700 Hz suggested earlier is -way- too high! (:-)) 73! Ken Kopp - K0PP [EMAIL PROTECTED] Add my vote to this. I can't even estimate how many contacts I have missed while changing modes and retuning. - Ron K9ZTV wrote: I agree completely with Joe, having found this a convenient feature on HF when using an FT-897. K9ZTV Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: After experiencing it with the FT-2000, I find auto CW a joy to use for tuning a quiet band ... I can tune in SSB and, if I ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change
Re: [Elecraft] K3 - Linking the VFOs for CW - SSB switching
I don't know about Auto CW or SSB I can hear the CW pileup now .. some guy hits his foot switch as he leans over to grab the spilled beverage and says oh darn or something like that, and the rest of the world knows he has (a) a K3 and (b) spilled his beer. There's a lot more that I'd rather see on the K3. 73HankK8DD G3XDY wrote: Like a few other VHF and up types I'm patiently waiting for the Auto CW capability on the K3, where it sends on CW if you press the key and on SSB if you use the Mic PTT, with a frequency offset between the two equal to the sidetone frequency. I have found a useful work around for now is to link the two VFOs with an offset equal to the sidetone pitch, with the higher frequency one set to CW REV and the lower on USB. Toggling the VFO A/B button then gives instant changeover from SSB to CW without having to retune. I hope to give this a work out in the European VHF/UHF/SHF contest this weekend. 73 John G3XDY K2 #4713 K3 #689 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/K3---Linking-the-VFOs-for-CW---SSB-switching-tp17008996p17021326.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 - Linking the VFOs for CW - SSB switching
Hi Hank Please stop belittling what VHF types want to have as facilities. It keeps happening and it is not very nice. It happened with the PTT delays and it has happened with this facility request before. Mike hank k8dd wrote: I don't know about Auto CW or SSB I can hear the CW pileup now .. some guy hits his foot switch as he leans over to grab the spilled beverage and says oh darn or something like that, and the rest of the world knows he has (a) a K3 and (b) spilled his beer. There's a lot more that I'd rather see on the K3. 73HankK8DD G3XDY wrote: Like a few other VHF and up types I'm patiently waiting for the Auto CW capability on the K3, where it sends on CW if you press the key and on SSB if you use the Mic PTT, with a frequency offset between the two equal to the sidetone frequency. I have found a useful work around for now is to link the two VFOs with an offset equal to the sidetone pitch, with the higher frequency one set to CW REV and the lower on USB. Toggling the VFO A/B button then gives instant changeover from SSB to CW without having to retune. I hope to give this a work out in the European VHF/UHF/SHF contest this weekend. 73 John G3XDY K2 #4713 K3 #689 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/K3---Linking-the-VFOs-for-CW---SSB-switching-tp17008996p17021385.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 - Linking the VFOs for CW - SSB switching
Patience please, with all the more serious problems, I cant imagine this request is too high on the list. Jim K4JAF - Original Message - From: AD6XY - Mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 10:06 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - Linking the VFOs for CW - SSB switching Hi Hank Please stop belittling what VHF types want to have as facilities. It keeps happening and it is not very nice. It happened with the PTT delays and it has happened with this facility request before. Mike hank k8dd wrote: I don't know about Auto CW or SSB I can hear the CW pileup now .. some guy hits his foot switch as he leans over to grab the spilled beverage and says oh darn or something like that, and the rest of the world knows he has (a) a K3 and (b) spilled his beer. There's a lot more that I'd rather see on the K3. 73HankK8DD G3XDY wrote: Like a few other VHF and up types I'm patiently waiting for the Auto CW capability on the K3, where it sends on CW if you press the key and on SSB if you use the Mic PTT, with a frequency offset between the two equal to the sidetone frequency. I have found a useful work around for now is to link the two VFOs with an offset equal to the sidetone pitch, with the higher frequency one set to CW REV and the lower on USB. Toggling the VFO A/B button then gives instant changeover from SSB to CW without having to retune. I hope to give this a work out in the European VHF/UHF/SHF contest this weekend. 73 John G3XDY K2 #4713 K3 #689 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/K3---Linking-the-VFOs-for-CW---SSB-switching-tp17008996p17021385.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 - Linking the VFOs for CW - SSB switching
Hank, You are correct for HF band usage - that operation should remain 'as is'. I believe the original request came from a VHF/UHF/microwave type person where the type of operation that is often used is to switch to CW when the SSB signal gets weak. As a result, such a function (if implemented) should be active only when the transverter bands are selected. There is also a VHF desire that the CW signal will be heard when the receiving end is listening in SSB mode - so the CW vs. CW-reverse selection becomes important and the CW frequency offset desired is different than that normally used on HF. 73, Don W3FPR hank k8dd wrote: I don't know about Auto CW or SSB I can hear the CW pileup now .. some guy hits his foot switch as he leans over to grab the spilled beverage and says oh darn or something like that, and the rest of the world knows he has (a) a K3 and (b) spilled his beer. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] K3 - Linking the VFOs for CW - SSB switching
Don, You are correct for HF band usage - that operation should remain 'as is'. No, it should be an option on the HF bands as well. I enjoyed having it available on HF with the FT-2000 and strongly believe others would use it once they became familiar with its advantages. 73, ... Joe, W4TV -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Don Wilhelm Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 11:18 AM To: hank k8dd Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - Linking the VFOs for CW - SSB switching Hank, You are correct for HF band usage - that operation should remain 'as is'. I believe the original request came from a VHF/UHF/microwave type person where the type of operation that is often used is to switch to CW when the SSB signal gets weak. As a result, such a function (if implemented) should be active only when the transverter bands are selected. There is also a VHF desire that the CW signal will be heard when the receiving end is listening in SSB mode - so the CW vs. CW-reverse selection becomes important and the CW frequency offset desired is different than that normally used on HF. 73, Don W3FPR hank k8dd wrote: I don't know about Auto CW or SSB I can hear the CW pileup now .. some guy hits his foot switch as he leans over to grab the spilled beverage and says oh darn or something like that, and the rest of the world knows he has (a) a K3 and (b) spilled his beer. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] K3 - Linking the VFOs for CW - SSB switching
Patience please, with all the more serious problems, I cant imagine this request is too high on the list. Any rig that includes VHF capability or is designed to drive a transceiver should have the capability. It is indispensable to most serious VHF operators. After experiencing it with the FT-2000, I find auto CW a joy to use for tuning a quiet band ... I can tune in SSB and, if I find myself in the CW band, answer a CW call without the need to frantically change modes and retune. Quite simply, if one is in LSB and taps the key, the radio should automatically shift to CW zero beat with the normal CW offset (e.g., 500 Hz, 600 Hz, etc.) - if one is in USB, the radio should shift to CW-R with the proper offset. Similarly, changing modes from LSB to CW should result in no change in received tone and changing modes from USB to CW should automatically select CW-R with no change in received tone. 73, ... Joe, W4TV -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Cox Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 11:18 AM To: AD6XY - Mike; elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - Linking the VFOs for CW - SSB switching Patience please, with all the more serious problems, I cant imagine this request is too high on the list. Jim K4JAF - Original Message - From: AD6XY - Mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 10:06 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - Linking the VFOs for CW - SSB switching Hi Hank Please stop belittling what VHF types want to have as facilities. It keeps happening and it is not very nice. It happened with the PTT delays and it has happened with this facility request before. Mike hank k8dd wrote: I don't know about Auto CW or SSB I can hear the CW pileup now .. some guy hits his foot switch as he leans over to grab the spilled beverage and says oh darn or something like that, and the rest of the world knows he has (a) a K3 and (b) spilled his beer. There's a lot more that I'd rather see on the K3. 73HankK8DD G3XDY wrote: Like a few other VHF and up types I'm patiently waiting for the Auto CW capability on the K3, where it sends on CW if you press the key and on SSB if you use the Mic PTT, with a frequency offset between the two equal to the sidetone frequency. I have found a useful work around for now is to link the two VFOs with an offset equal to the sidetone pitch, with the higher frequency one set to CW REV and the lower on USB. Toggling the VFO A/B button then gives instant changeover from SSB to CW without having to retune. I hope to give this a work out in the European VHF/UHF/SHF contest this weekend. 73 John G3XDY K2 #4713 K3 #689 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/K3---Linking-the-VFOs-for-CW---SSB-switc hing-tp17008996p17021385.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 - Linking the VFOs for CW - SSB switching
I agree completely with Joe, having found this a convenient feature on HF when using an FT-897. K9ZTV Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: After experiencing it with the FT-2000, I find auto CW a joy to use for tuning a quiet band ... I can tune in SSB and, if I find myself in the CW band, answer a CW call without the need to frantically change modes and retune. Quite simply, if one is in LSB and taps the key, the radio should automatically shift to CW zero beat with the normal CW offset (e.g., 500 Hz, 600 Hz, etc.) - if one is in USB, the radio should shift to CW-R with the proper offset. Similarly, changing modes from LSB to CW should result in no change in received tone and changing modes from USB to CW should automatically select CW-R with no change in received tone. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] K3 - Linking the VFOs for CW - SSB switching
Joe Subich, W4TV-3 wrote: Patience please, with all the more serious problems, I cant imagine this request is too high on the list. Any rig that includes VHF capability or is designed to drive a transceiver should have the capability. It is indispensable to most serious VHF operators. After experiencing it with the FT-2000, I find auto CW a joy to use for tuning a quiet band ... I can tune in SSB and, if I find myself in the CW band, answer a CW call without the need to frantically change modes and retune. Quite simply, if one is in LSB and taps the key, the radio should automatically shift to CW zero beat with the normal CW offset (e.g., 500 Hz, 600 Hz, etc.) - if one is in USB, the radio should shift to CW-R with the proper offset. Similarly, changing modes from LSB to CW should result in no change in received tone and changing modes from USB to CW should automatically select CW-R with no change in received tone. If what we're discussing is the ability to change modes and keep the same signal centered in the passband then I agree it would be a nice feature - and I don't use VHF. But I often find myself tuning down to the CW area after being on data, or vice versa, and when I want to call the station and switch modes in order to do so I've lost him and have to tune around to find him again. I also agree that it's not that urgent a need, not for me, anyway. I could just remember to switch to CW before tuning down there, but that's not going to happen... - Julian, G4ILO K3 s/n: 222 K2 s/n: 392 G4ILO's Shack: www.g4ilo.com Zerobeat Ham Forums: www.zerobeat.net/smf -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/K3---Linking-the-VFOs-for-CW---SSB-switching-tp17008996p17024191.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 - Linking the VFOs for CW - SSB switching
It seems to me that we are over-complicating this (hopefully soon to come) feature. All that is required is that, when in LSB or USB mode, a 700Hz tone is transmitted whenever the key is pressed. No mode switching or menu changes are required. The only caution would be to watch out for inadvertently closing the key during normal SSB operation. I am not a firmware programmer but this does not seem like a complicated task. On key closure switch to transmit mode and either QSK or VOX. Then generate a (700Hz) tone. This feature is very useful on SSB nets when copy is difficult and on CW/SSB nets. 73 Tony Fegan VE3QF G4ILO wrote: Joe Subich, W4TV-3 wrote: Patience please, with all the more serious problems, I cant imagine this request is too high on the list. Any rig that includes VHF capability or is designed to drive a transceiver should have the capability. It is indispensable to most serious VHF operators. After experiencing it with the FT-2000, I find auto CW a joy to use for tuning a quiet band ... I can tune in SSB and, if I find myself in the CW band, answer a CW call without the need to frantically change modes and retune. Quite simply, if one is in LSB and taps the key, the radio should automatically shift to CW zero beat with the normal CW offset (e.g., 500 Hz, 600 Hz, etc.) - if one is in USB, the radio should shift to CW-R with the proper offset. Similarly, changing modes from LSB to CW should result in no change in received tone and changing modes from USB to CW should automatically select CW-R with no change in received tone. If what we're discussing is the ability to change modes and keep the same signal centered in the passband then I agree it would be a nice feature - and I don't use VHF. But I often find myself tuning down to the CW area after being on data, or vice versa, and when I want to call the station and switch modes in order to do so I've lost him and have to tune around to find him again. I also agree that it's not that urgent a need, not for me, anyway. I could just remember to switch to CW before tuning down there, but that's not going to happen... - Julian, G4ILO K3 s/n: 222 K2 s/n: 392 G4ILO's Shack: www.g4ilo.com Zerobeat Ham Forums: www.zerobeat.net/smf ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 - Linking the VFOs for CW - SSB switching
As the original requestor of this feature (and of using the FT-897's functional implementation of it as the standard to be emulated), I think Tony is on the right track here. I can't think of any reason why doing it this way wouldn't work; it seems to satisfy all the requiremets, including that of leaving the receiver in SSB receive mode after using the auto CW feature unless/until intentionally switched to full CW mode by the operator. (The failure to leave the RX in SSB mode is what's wrong with the Kenwood TS-2000's implementation IMO.) Keying shape at the audio frequency end would still have to be taken into consideration, of course. Yes, this feature is primarily (albeit not solely) of interest to serious VHF+ ops -- but there are lots of us out there. :-) Bill W5WVO Tony Fegan VE3QF wrote: It seems to me that we are over-complicating this (hopefully soon to come) feature. All that is required is that, when in LSB or USB mode, a 700Hz tone is transmitted whenever the key is pressed. No mode switching or menu changes are required. The only caution would be to watch out for inadvertently closing the key during normal SSB operation. I am not a firmware programmer but this does not seem like a complicated task. On key closure switch to transmit mode and either QSK or VOX. Then generate a (700Hz) tone. This feature is very useful on SSB nets when copy is difficult and on CW/SSB nets. 73 Tony Fegan VE3QF G4ILO wrote: Joe Subich, W4TV-3 wrote: Patience please, with all the more serious problems, I cant imagine this request is too high on the list. Any rig that includes VHF capability or is designed to drive a transceiver should have the capability. It is indispensable to most serious VHF operators. After experiencing it with the FT-2000, I find auto CW a joy to use for tuning a quiet band ... I can tune in SSB and, if I find myself in the CW band, answer a CW call without the need to frantically change modes and retune. Quite simply, if one is in LSB and taps the key, the radio should automatically shift to CW zero beat with the normal CW offset (e.g., 500 Hz, 600 Hz, etc.) - if one is in USB, the radio should shift to CW-R with the proper offset. Similarly, changing modes from LSB to CW should result in no change in received tone and changing modes from USB to CW should automatically select CW-R with no change in received tone. If what we're discussing is the ability to change modes and keep the same signal centered in the passband then I agree it would be a nice feature - and I don't use VHF. But I often find myself tuning down to the CW area after being on data, or vice versa, and when I want to call the station and switch modes in order to do so I've lost him and have to tune around to find him again. I also agree that it's not that urgent a need, not for me, anyway. I could just remember to switch to CW before tuning down there, but that's not going to happen... - Julian, G4ILO K3 s/n: 222 K2 s/n: 392 G4ILO's Shack: www.g4ilo.com Zerobeat Ham Forums: www.zerobeat.net/smf ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 - Linking the VFOs for CW - SSB switching
We're testing this right now. I'm not sure, but it may make it into the upcoming K3 f/w release. :-) 73, Eric WA6HHQ Bill W5WVO wrote: As the original requestor of this feature (and of using the FT-897's functional implementation of it as the standard to be emulated), I think Tony is on the right track here. I can't think of any reason why doing it this way wouldn't work; it seems to satisfy all the requiremets, including that of leaving the receiver in SSB receive mode after using the auto CW feature unless/until intentionally switched to full CW mode by the operator. (The failure to leave the RX in SSB mode is what's wrong with the Kenwood TS-2000's implementation IMO.) Keying shape at the audio frequency end would still have to be taken into consideration, of course. Yes, this feature is primarily (albeit not solely) of interest to serious VHF+ ops -- but there are lots of us out there. :-) Bill W5WVO Tony Fegan VE3QF wrote: It seems to me that we are over-complicating this (hopefully soon to come) feature. All that is required is that, when in LSB or USB mode, a 700Hz tone is transmitted whenever the key is pressed. No mode switching or menu changes are required. The only caution would be to watch out for inadvertently closing the key during normal SSB operation. I am not a firmware programmer but this does not seem like a complicated task. On key closure switch to transmit mode and either QSK or VOX. Then generate a (700Hz) tone. This feature is very useful on SSB nets when copy is difficult and on CW/SSB nets. 73 Tony Fegan VE3QF G4ILO wrote: Joe Subich, W4TV-3 wrote: Patience please, with all the more serious problems, I cant imagine this request is too high on the list. Any rig that includes VHF capability or is designed to drive a transceiver should have the capability. It is indispensable to most serious VHF operators. After experiencing it with the FT-2000, I find auto CW a joy to use for tuning a quiet band ... I can tune in SSB and, if I find myself in the CW band, answer a CW call without the need to frantically change modes and retune. Quite simply, if one is in LSB and taps the key, the radio should automatically shift to CW zero beat with the normal CW offset (e.g., 500 Hz, 600 Hz, etc.) - if one is in USB, the radio should shift to CW-R with the proper offset. Similarly, changing modes from LSB to CW should result in no change in received tone and changing modes from USB to CW should automatically select CW-R with no change in received tone. If what we're discussing is the ability to change modes and keep the same signal centered in the passband then I agree it would be a nice feature - and I don't use VHF. But I often find myself tuning down to the CW area after being on data, or vice versa, and when I want to call the station and switch modes in order to do so I've lost him and have to tune around to find him again. I also agree that it's not that urgent a need, not for me, anyway. I could just remember to switch to CW before tuning down there, but that's not going to happen... - Julian, G4ILO K3 s/n: 222 K2 s/n: 392 G4ILO's Shack: www.g4ilo.com Zerobeat Ham Forums: www.zerobeat.net/smf ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 - Linking the VFOs for CW - SSB switching
One note: We are implementing this with regular CW transmit with the appropriate offset, not as a transmitted tone. 73, Eric WA6HHQ --- Bill W5WVO wrote: As the original requestor of this feature (and of using the FT-897's functional implementation of it as the standard to be emulated), I think Tony is on the right track here. I can't think of any reason why doing it this way wouldn't work; it seems to satisfy all the requiremets, including that of leaving the receiver in SSB receive mode after using the auto CW feature unless/until intentionally switched to full CW mode by the operator. (The failure to leave the RX in SSB mode is what's wrong with the Kenwood TS-2000's implementation IMO.) Keying shape at the audio frequency end would still have to be taken into consideration, of course. Yes, this feature is primarily (albeit not solely) of interest to serious VHF+ ops -- but there are lots of us out there. :-) Bill W5WVO Tony Fegan VE3QF wrote: It seems to me that we are over-complicating this (hopefully soon to come) feature. All that is required is that, when in LSB or USB mode, a 700Hz tone is transmitted whenever the key is pressed. No mode switching or menu changes are required. The only caution would be to watch out for inadvertently closing the key during normal SSB operation. I am not a firmware programmer but this does not seem like a complicated task. On key closure switch to transmit mode and either QSK or VOX. Then generate a (700Hz) tone. This feature is very useful on SSB nets when copy is difficult and on CW/SSB nets. 73 Tony Fegan VE3QF G4ILO wrote: Joe Subich, W4TV-3 wrote: Patience please, with all the more serious problems, I cant imagine this request is too high on the list. Any rig that includes VHF capability or is designed to drive a transceiver should have the capability. It is indispensable to most serious VHF operators. After experiencing it with the FT-2000, I find auto CW a joy to use for tuning a quiet band ... I can tune in SSB and, if I find myself in the CW band, answer a CW call without the need to frantically change modes and retune. Quite simply, if one is in LSB and taps the key, the radio should automatically shift to CW zero beat with the normal CW offset (e.g., 500 Hz, 600 Hz, etc.) - if one is in USB, the radio should shift to CW-R with the proper offset. Similarly, changing modes from LSB to CW should result in no change in received tone and changing modes from USB to CW should automatically select CW-R with no change in received tone. If what we're discussing is the ability to change modes and keep the same signal centered in the passband then I agree it would be a nice feature - and I don't use VHF. But I often find myself tuning down to the CW area after being on data, or vice versa, and when I want to call the station and switch modes in order to do so I've lost him and have to tune around to find him again. I also agree that it's not that urgent a need, not for me, anyway. I could just remember to switch to CW before tuning down there, but that's not going to happen... - Julian, G4ILO K3 s/n: 222 K2 s/n: 392 G4ILO's Shack: www.g4ilo.com Zerobeat Ham Forums: www.zerobeat.net/smf ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 - Linking the VFOs for CW - SSB switching
WA6HHQ reported: We're testing this right now. Which was later clarified to be not VE3QF's A2-approach. Would you be so kind as to confirm that what has been implemented is triggered by keying input whilst in SSB? If so, will this new feature be user selectable? If not, can it be? Switching modes on a radio is usually something that comes as a result of the operator deciding to switch modes having to do something specific to achieve that. Presumption that the keying line is only asserted when CW is to be sent is asking a bit much. Making the input for sending CW also trigger a mode change is a significant change in behavior, one that normally would not be expected of a radio - kind of like not expecting that switching on the main beam headlamps causes a car to change lanes switch gears by itself. Having CW in the right place so that there is no need to move the VFO from where tuned for a SSB signal seems to be a more reasonable solution without adding feature that causes radio to go on form of walkabout on the unsuspecting. I seem to recall switching from USB to CW in QSO on FT-726R required no retuning. I don't recall ever changing from LSB to CW in QSO when on satellite, but today in radio with CW/CW-R carrier in right place, the requested functionality could be had by the radio selecting CW/CW-R as appropriate for the SSB mode switched from. Not sure how to deal with direction of tuning - would seem a bit odd for sophisticated new radio like K3 to have what looked to be high/low-side injection change on some bands. 73, VR2/KBrett7Graham/p. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 - Linking the VFOs for CW - SSB switching
First of all, nothing has been implemented yet. Second, let's not complicate things here. The only thing being suggested is that the K3 be capable of CW while one is operating SSB. This feature is currently found on several Yaesu and Icom rigs (don't know about Kenwood). The paddle/key would be in parallel with the microphone (so to speak). Hitting the paddle would automatically put the rig into CW mode and when key-up occurs, the rig automatically reverts back to SSB mode. No switch fiddling, button pushing, or other operator input would be required. No change in frequency would occur EXCEPT that during key-down the standard CW offset would happen. By necessity, the feature would be enabled and disabled through a menu option. If CW is not your thing, don't worry about it -- you won't need it anyway. K9ZTV Someone wrote: Would you be so kind as to confirm that what has been implemented is triggered by keying input whilst in SSB? If so, will this new feature be user selectable? If not, can it be? Switching modes on a radio is usually something that comes as a result of the operator deciding to switch modes having to do something specific to achieve that. Presumption that the keying line is only asserted when CW is to be sent is asking a bit much. Making the input for sending CW also trigger a mode change is a significant change in behavior, one that normally would not be expected of a radio - kind of like not expecting that switching on the main beam headlamps causes a car to change lanes switch gears by itself. Having CW in the right place so that there is no need to move the VFO from where tuned for a SSB signal seems to be a more reasonable solution without adding feature that causes radio to go on form of walkabout on the unsuspecting. I seem to recall switching from USB to CW in QSO on FT-726R required no retuning. I don't recall ever changing from LSB to CW in QSO when on satellite, but today in radio with CW/CW-R carrier in right place, the requested functionality could be had by the radio selecting CW/CW-R as appropriate for the SSB mode switched from. Not sure how to deal with direction of tuning - would seem a bit odd for sophisticated new radio like K3 to have what looked to be high/low-side injection change on some bands. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 - Linking the VFOs for CW - SSB switching
No problem, Eric, any way to make it work! If it works like the FT-897, I'll be extremely happy. Bill W5WVO Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote: One note: We are implementing this with regular CW transmit with the appropriate offset, not as a transmitted tone. 73, Eric WA6HHQ ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] K3 - Linking the VFOs for CW - SSB switching
Like a few other VHF and up types I'm patiently waiting for the Auto CW capability on the K3, where it sends on CW if you press the key and on SSB if you use the Mic PTT, with a frequency offset between the two equal to the sidetone frequency. I have found a useful work around for now is to link the two VFOs with an offset equal to the sidetone pitch, with the higher frequency one set to CW REV and the lower on USB. Toggling the VFO A/B button then gives instant changeover from SSB to CW without having to retune. I hope to give this a work out in the European VHF/UHF/SHF contest this weekend. 73 John G3XDY K2 #4713 K3 #689 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
