Re: [Elecraft] K3 Wiki Site

2010-08-26 Thread Thom LaCosta
Isn't it amazing,after all our hard work that was ignored and 
unthanked...now I'm supposed to give it to someone else?

The time for folks to participate was when we had it up and running.

No thanks guys.I've had my fill of the Mouth full of gimmee and 
a hand full of take that's been displayed by both
Elecraft and the K3 community.

The wiki and the forum for Elecraft users was a classic example of 
No good deed goes unpunished.

73
Thom k3hrn

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Wiki Site

2010-08-26 Thread Gary Gregory
Hmmm...seems like I am not the only one who didn't know it even existed so I
guess you can put me in with the group who didn't support the wiki.

Then again I don't use any Wiki

But I can take that without bad feelings.

Gary

On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 9:24 PM, Thom LaCosta k3...@zerobeat.net wrote:

 Isn't it amazing,after all our hard work that was ignored and
 unthanked...now I'm supposed to give it to someone else?

 The time for folks to participate was when we had it up and running.

 No thanks guys.I've had my fill of the Mouth full of gimmee and
 a hand full of take that's been displayed by both
 Elecraft and the K3 community.

 The wiki and the forum for Elecraft users was a classic example of
 No good deed goes unpunished.

 73
 Thom k3hrn

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Wiki Site

2010-08-26 Thread Ken Chandler
I used wiki site often and even put in on my iPhone.
It was great as an aide memoir I hope it keeps going.

Ken..G0ORH  k2, k3, p3

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On 26 Aug 2010, at 21:30, Gary Gregory garyvk...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hmmm...seems like I am not the only one who didn't know it even existed so I 
 guess you can put me in with the group who didn't support the wiki.
 
 Then again I don't use any Wiki
 
 But I can take that without bad feelings.
 
 Gary
 
 On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 9:24 PM, Thom LaCosta k3...@zerobeat.net wrote:
 Isn't it amazing,after all our hard work that was ignored and
 unthanked...now I'm supposed to give it to someone else?
 
 The time for folks to participate was when we had it up and running.
 
 No thanks guys.I've had my fill of the Mouth full of gimmee and
 a hand full of take that's been displayed by both
 Elecraft and the K3 community.
 
 The wiki and the forum for Elecraft users was a classic example of
 No good deed goes unpunished.
 
 73
 Thom k3hrn
 
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Wiki Site

2010-08-25 Thread David Ferrington, M0XDF
Well, I wish I'd known, since I found the site helpful from time to time, but 
as my knowledge of the K3 grew, I found less need of the Wiki. However, it was 
good to know it was there for when I might want to look at it, especially some 
of the reference material.

I completely understand why you would want to drop it Thom, but perhaps if 
you'd indicated your intention to do so, someone else would have stepped up to 
take it on?

Do you still have all the content archived away somewhere?

73 de M0XDF, K3 #174, P3 #108

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On 25 Aug 2010, at 00:22, Thom LaCosta wrote:

 At 12:30 8/22/2010, Tony Fegan VE3QF wrote:
 
 
 I e-mailed Thom K3HRN just last week and got the following reply:
 
 **
 At 01:32 8/13/2010, you wrote:
 Hi Thomas,
  Is the K3 Wiki discontinued or moved? I thought it was a 
 great site but I have been inactive for a few months.
 
 I turned it off.too much spam, and absolutely no support from
 Elecraft and/or the Elecraft users.  BTW, you are the
 first person who has emailed me about it no longer being active.
 
 When I first put the forum and the wiki online I asked for help, and 
 received it,
 
 As time went on it was painfully obvious that there was was a lack of 
 interest and support
 as indicated in my statement above.
 
 As the level of spam increased, it took more time to maintain the 
 forum and the wikiand quite frankly it
 was not worth the effort. We did not give notice, as there was no 
 support and little expressed interest
 from the outset
 
 Just as an aside, I maintain a web site, forum and mailing list for 
 R.L. Drake users.the difference in participation,
 help and gratitude is like day and night.
 
 It was an interesting experimentand like many things, it did not 
 survive in the market place.

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Wiki Site

2010-08-25 Thread Ken Chandler
I always found it very useful and it's on my iPhone as reference material when 
I'm out /p.
Perhaps you can pass it over to a volunteer Thom I'm sure a lot of people would 
host it, let's not let it die out!!!

Ken..G0ORH  

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On 25 Aug 2010, at 08:55, David Ferrington, M0XDF m0...@alphadene.co.uk 
wrote:

 Well, I wish I'd known, since I found the site helpful from time to time, but 
 as my knowledge of the K3 grew, I found less need of the Wiki. However, it 
 was good to know it was there for when I might want to look at it, especially 
 some of the reference material.
 
 I completely understand why you would want to drop it Thom, but perhaps if 
 you'd indicated your intention to do so, someone else would have stepped up 
 to take it on?
 
 Do you still have all the content archived away somewhere?
 
 73 de M0XDF, K3 #174, P3 #108
 
 -- 
 In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice,
 but in practice there is.
 
 On 25 Aug 2010, at 00:22, Thom LaCosta wrote:
 
 At 12:30 8/22/2010, Tony Fegan VE3QF wrote:
 
 
 I e-mailed Thom K3HRN just last week and got the following reply:
 
 **
 At 01:32 8/13/2010, you wrote:
 Hi Thomas,
 Is the K3 Wiki discontinued or moved? I thought it was a 
 great site but I have been inactive for a few months.
 
 I turned it off.too much spam, and absolutely no support from
 Elecraft and/or the Elecraft users.  BTW, you are the
 first person who has emailed me about it no longer being active.
 
 When I first put the forum and the wiki online I asked for help, and 
 received it,
 
 As time went on it was painfully obvious that there was was a lack of 
 interest and support
 as indicated in my statement above.
 
 As the level of spam increased, it took more time to maintain the 
 forum and the wikiand quite frankly it
 was not worth the effort. We did not give notice, as there was no 
 support and little expressed interest
 from the outset
 
 Just as an aside, I maintain a web site, forum and mailing list for 
 R.L. Drake users.the difference in participation,
 help and gratitude is like day and night.
 
 It was an interesting experimentand like many things, it did not 
 survive in the market place.
 
 -- 
 God could not be everywhere, and therefore he created mothers.
 -Jewish proverb
 
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Wiki Site

2010-08-25 Thread David Pratt
The Elecraft Owner Database is quite useful but maybe some people on 
here do not know about it.
http://zerobeat.net/qrp/elowners.html
There are thousands of records on there although it is a bit out of date 
in some places. It shows M0XDF still waiting for his KRX3, KDVR3  
KFL3B-FM, but it's accurate in that it says his XV144 with XVOVN is 
Waiting-Built ;-)

Maybe this is another case of use it or lose it.  I don't see any P3s 
listed on there.

73

David G4DMP

In a recent message, David Ferrington, M0XDF m0...@alphadene.co.uk 
wrote ...

Well, I wish I'd known, since I found the site helpful from time to 
time, but as my knowledge of the K3 grew, I found less need of the 
Wiki. However, it was good to know it was there for when I might want 
to look at it, especially some of the reference material.
[Snip]
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Wiki Site

2010-08-25 Thread David Ferrington, M0XDF
I forgot about it, have just updated it.

Would like to add the P3, but it's not a model option yet.
73 de M0XDF, K3 #174, P3 #108

Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, they will not care how 
devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived 
by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If 
there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that 
will live on in the memories of your loved ones. -Marcus Aurelius, philosopher 
and writer (121-180) 

On 25 Aug 2010, at 11:21, David Pratt wrote:

 The Elecraft Owner Database is quite useful but maybe some people on here do 
 not know about it.
 http://zerobeat.net/qrp/elowners.html
 There are thousands of records on there although it is a bit out of date in 
 some places. It shows M0XDF still waiting for his KRX3, KDVR3  KFL3B-FM, but 
 it's accurate in that it says his XV144 with XVOVN is Waiting-Built ;-)
 
 Maybe this is another case of use it or lose it.  I don't see any P3s 
 listed on there.

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Wiki Site

2010-08-25 Thread Ken Chandler
Well I never, just done a quick add in, will complete the rest asap

Ken..G0ORH  k2, k3 p3 sn249

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On 25 Aug 2010, at 11:21, David Pratt da...@g4dmp.fsnet.co.uk wrote:

 The Elecraft Owner Database is quite useful but maybe some people on 
 here do not know about it.
 http://zerobeat.net/qrp/elowners.html
 There are thousands of records on there although it is a bit out of date 
 in some places. It shows M0XDF still waiting for his KRX3, KDVR3  
 KFL3B-FM, but it's accurate in that it says his XV144 with XVOVN is 
 Waiting-Built ;-)
 
 Maybe this is another case of use it or lose it.  I don't see any P3s 
 listed on there.
 
 73
 
 David G4DMP
 
 In a recent message, David Ferrington, M0XDF m0...@alphadene.co.uk 
 wrote ...
 
 Well, I wish I'd known, since I found the site helpful from time to 
 time, but as my knowledge of the K3 grew, I found less need of the 
 Wiki. However, it was good to know it was there for when I might want 
 to look at it, especially some of the reference material.
 [Snip]
 -- 
 David G4DMP
 Leeds, England, UK
 --
 
 
 
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Wiki Site

2010-08-24 Thread Thom LaCosta
At 12:30 8/22/2010, Tony Fegan VE3QF wrote:


   I e-mailed Thom K3HRN just last week and got the following reply:

**
   At 01:32 8/13/2010, you wrote:
  Hi Thomas,
  Is the K3 Wiki discontinued or moved? I thought it was a 
 great site but I have been inactive for a few months.

   I turned it off.too much spam, and absolutely no support from
Elecraft and/or the Elecraft users.  BTW, you are the
   first person who has emailed me about it no longer being active.

When I first put the forum and the wiki online I asked for help, and 
received it,

As time went on it was painfully obvious that there was was a lack of 
interest and support
as indicated in my statement above.

As the level of spam increased, it took more time to maintain the 
forum and the wikiand quite frankly it
was not worth the effort. We did not give notice, as there was no 
support and little expressed interest
from the outset

Just as an aside, I maintain a web site, forum and mailing list for 
R.L. Drake users.the difference in participation,
help and gratitude is like day and night.

It was an interesting experimentand like many things, it did not 
survive in the market place.

73,
Thom k3hrn

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Wiki Site

2010-08-24 Thread David Christ
I wonder if this list with all the helpful people and the 
participation from Elecraft affected the interest in the wiki.  The 
Drake people don't have that.

David

At 7:22 PM -0400 8/24/10, Thom LaCosta wrote:
snip

Just as an aside, I maintain a web site, forum and mailing list for
R.L. Drake users.the difference in participation,
help and gratitude is like day and night.
snip
73,
Thom k3hrn

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Wiki Site

2010-08-24 Thread Gary Gregory
That would be my guess.
73's
Gary

On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 10:14 AM, David Christ radio...@mchsi.com wrote:

 I wonder if this list with all the helpful people and the
 participation from Elecraft affected the interest in the wiki.  The
 Drake people don't have that.

 David

 At 7:22 PM -0400 8/24/10, Thom LaCosta wrote:
 snip
 
 Just as an aside, I maintain a web site, forum and mailing list for
 R.L. Drake users.the difference in participation,
 help and gratitude is like day and night.
 snip
 73,
 Thom k3hrn
 
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Wiki Site

2010-08-22 Thread Julian, G4ILO

It looks as if Thom K3HRN who runs zerobeat.net has been having a clearout.
The Zerobeat Elecraft forum has also gone, which is no great loss as it was
never used, indeed I suggested to him some time ago that he may as well kill
it.

The wiki was edited by Don Rasmussen WB8YQJ who used to post on here
regularly but hasn't posted since May 18. Possibly Don sold his K3 and was
no longer interested, but it's a shame that it was pulled without giving
anyone any notice as even if Thom no longer wished to host it, someone else
may have volunteered to take it on.

Julian, G4ILO

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Wiki Site

2010-08-22 Thread Tony Fegan VE3QF

I used to use the wiki quite a lot but have to admit not recently. 
There was some good stuff on it and I thought it had great potential. I 
don't know anything about wiki spam but I suppose it could be a time 
consuming problem.

  I e-mailed Thom K3HRN just last week and got the following reply:

**
  At 01:32 8/13/2010, you wrote:
 Hi Thomas,
 Is the K3 Wiki discontinued or moved? I thought it was a great site 
 but I have been inactive for a few months.

  I turned it off.too much spam, and absolutely no support from 
Elecraft and/or the Elecraft users.  BTW, you are the
  first person who has emailed me about it no longer being active.

  73,
  Thom k3hrn
**

73
Tony Fegan VE3QF


Julian, G4ILO wrote:
 It looks as if Thom K3HRN who runs zerobeat.net has been having a clearout.
 The Zerobeat Elecraft forum has also gone, which is no great loss as it was
 never used, indeed I suggested to him some time ago that he may as well kill
 it.
 
 Julian, G4ILO


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[Elecraft] K3 Wiki Site

2010-08-21 Thread David and Dianne on Comcast
  Does anyone know what happened to the K3 Wiki Page?

I got the following message when trying to access 
it today.
*
The requested URL /mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page 
was not found on this server.*

I hope that it has just moved as it contained a 
lot of good Elecraft Info.

Thanks,

73 de N1LQ-Dave

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Wiki Site

2010-08-21 Thread Sam Morgan
On 8/21/2010 10:11 PM, David and Dianne on Comcast wrote:
Does anyone know what happened to the K3 Wiki Page?

 I got the following message when trying to access
 it today.
 *
 The requested URL /mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page
 was not found on this server.*

 I hope that it has just moved as it contained a
 lot of good Elecraft Info.

the cached version is still available here:
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:Uc89WxHkgHQJ:www.zerobeat.net/mediawiki/index.php/K3_DSP+K3_media+wiki


also there is
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K3
or is that a different one?

 Thanks,

 73 de N1LQ-Dave

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[Elecraft] K3-Wiki

2008-05-19 Thread Mike Scott
I would think it appropriate for this community to upload the K3 manuals
into some Wiki and edit them as a group, always keeping it current.

It would be better if there was a way to preserve formatting with photos
etc, so that all one would need to do is print it to have an up to date
manual. I don't know if a Wiki can do this.

Mike Scott - AE6WA
Tarzana, CA (DM04 / near LA)
K3-100 #508/ KX1  #1311



Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 13:23:53 -0700 (PDT)
From: Don Rasmussen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - New firmware
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

Since the original K3 manual was printed, many
important new setups have been added to the K3
firmware that are shown and described in separate
documents.

There is now a wiki page that contains the cumulative
options to date. Each setup option can be expanded on
by users of the K3 reflector. Have a comment to make,
or a helpful suggestion about any specific K3 CONFIG
setting?

Click on the word EDIT above the setting you can help
with, then key in your callsign and your info. 

For example, I added a comment about the AGC-F config
setting, see
http://www.zerobeat.net/mediawiki/index.php/Firmware_-_revision_1.96_documen
ted#AGC-F

Here is the main page:

http://www.zerobeat.net/mediawiki/index.php/Firmware_-_revision_1.96_documen
ted

The page is open for user edit at this time, please
give it a look, add some expertise if you have
experience with any setup and the specific results of
changing the values.

t u ..

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[Elecraft] K3 Wiki oversight?, etc...

2007-11-06 Thread Don Rasmussen
Leigh WA5ZNU wrote: In fact, I couldn't find a single
page on the site that was editable, even though I have
an account and was logged in.  Is this perhaps an
oversight? snip

Dear Leigh, 

It's agreed that a typical wiki deals with dynamic
information, it is constantly growing and changing.
There are (rather strict) authoring standards and all
kinds of people behind the scenes at the wiki to keep
the content and correct and politically safe. 

The K3 wiki does not need to be this dynamic with
respect to changes. Sure it would be more convenient,
but the existing pages are basically static so they
don't need to be changed rapidly. 

New pages -can- be added by anyone at any time. 

The inherent problem is the eHam types and the K3 wiki
sysops simply don't have the time to follow them and
clean up their mess. The view is there would be far
more prank and troll postings than actual submissions
of valuable K3 text, so it would become a daily chore
for someone to chase down bogus pages and restore old
content.

That having been said, we invite everyone on this list
to take part in the wiki. Register yourself (all you
need is a username and a password), add a page, then
submit it to any sysop listed on the main page to be
linked into one of the existing (protected) pages. You
can also copy the source from the existing page you
want to change into your new revised page, then notify
the sysops that you want a change. 

It's great to see the wiki evolving, one of the fun
parts has been placing the comments and serial numbers
from each new K3 owners and placing them as a
chronology on the serial numbers page. 

Mostly this site is to promote K3 and Elecraft (Lisa
Jones), so you won't find too much that's
controversial on those pages. !!!

In other words - tone counts. 

You will find all the information that is there to be
on topic for K3. I use the wiki as my entry point
for my browser to the elecraft digest list. Look under
related links. For K3 go to:

http://www.zerobeat.net/mediawiki/index.php/K3_Wiki_at_ZeroBeat.NET

or for the kits page:

http://www.zerobeat.net/mediawiki/index.php/KX1_K1_K2_Wiki_at_ZeroBeat.NET

That's the scoop, check it out.

[Elecraft] Rick Tavan's excellent K3 article.
Leigh L Klotz, Jr. Leigh at WA5ZNU.org 
Tue Nov 6 15:13:18 EST 2007 

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article. 
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The site already a review page at [K3 Press Reviews]
but it doesn't list this new article.  I went to add a
link to it but the, but [K3 Press Reviews] page wasn't
editable.  In fact, I couldn't find a single page on
the site that was editable, even though I have an
account and was logged in.  Is this perhaps an
oversight?

Leigh/WA5ZNU
http://www.zerobeat.net/mediawiki/index.php/NCJ_Reviews:_The_Elecraft_K3_-_First_Impressions


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Wiki

2007-10-17 Thread David Ferrington, M0XDF
Yes, and Twiki (if not Wiki) provide security controls for who can view/edit
etc, so the owner of a topic can nominate who can edit - which is great for
'official' articles etc.
Peer pressure is a wonderful thing and used for a limited site like this,
would most likely work quite well enough.

But, lets not start a huge long debate on this reflector - the idea has been
put forward, maybe Elecraft will wish to follow it up.


On 17/10/07 01:42, lyle johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent:

 One of the problem with the Wiki is that anyone can post to it and anyone
 can change the posts of others...
 
 Not necessarily.  The HPSDR wiki and AMSAT's Eaglepedia are two examples of
 ham-related wikis lwhich imit access for posting/editing, but provide
 unlimited access for viewing.
 
 73,
 
 Lyle KK7P
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[Elecraft] K3 Wiki

2007-10-16 Thread Don Rasmussen
One day I'd like to see a K3 wiki.

Contributer experts could weigh in on individual
topics such as:

* DSP/AGC - suggested settings based on band, mode,
signal strength. 
* Diversity receive - how to best use the subreceiver.
N1EU stuff. 
* Noise Blanking - settings based on the noise source.

* Transverter topics - how to hook up a Down East
Microwave device, etc. 
* Bandscope and SoftRock - how to keep noise off both
ends of the connection. New bandscope solutions.
* Interfacing hardware from other manufacturers - Band
Pass filters, Noise cancellers, digital. 
* RS232 Control and programs. 
* Contest configurations, software and hardware. 
* ESSB - and wide standard mode SSB, AM. 
* Binaural effects.
* Many other topics that could be addressed starting
from an introductory level up to advanced and specific
cases.

I'm not offering to host this but do see the value of
having a common, user maintained K3 resource outside
of the Elecraft list and outside of the
www.elecraft.com K3 FAQ.
Having one place to reference first, before going
through megabytes of archives looking for that needle
in a haystack would be a real time saver and might
even take some K3 traffic off the reflector. 


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Wiki

2007-10-16 Thread David Ferrington, M0XDF
YES - forget forums - run it all on Twiki - we run my entire team in Twiki,
and although that team only consists of 6 of us, we service ~ 500 people.



On 16/10/07 23:50, Don Rasmussen [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent:

 One day I'd like to see a K3 wiki.
 
 Contributer experts could weigh in on individual
 topics such as:
 
 * DSP/AGC - suggested settings based on band, mode,
 signal strength. 
 * Diversity receive - how to best use the subreceiver.
 N1EU stuff. 
 * Noise Blanking - settings based on the noise source.
 
 * Transverter topics - how to hook up a Down East
 Microwave device, etc.
 * Bandscope and SoftRock - how to keep noise off both
 ends of the connection. New bandscope solutions.
 * Interfacing hardware from other manufacturers - Band
 Pass filters, Noise cancellers, digital.
 * RS232 Control and programs.
 * Contest configurations, software and hardware.
 * ESSB - and wide standard mode SSB, AM.
 * Binaural effects.
 * Many other topics that could be addressed starting
 from an introductory level up to advanced and specific
 cases.
 
 I'm not offering to host this but do see the value of
 having a common, user maintained K3 resource outside
 of the Elecraft list and outside of the
 www.elecraft.com K3 FAQ.
 Having one place to reference first, before going
 through megabytes of archives looking for that needle
 in a haystack would be a real time saver and might
 even take some K3 traffic off the reflector.
 
 
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Wiki

2007-10-16 Thread Thom LaCosta

On Tue, 16 Oct 2007, Don Rasmussen wrote:


One day I'd like to see a K3 wiki.



InterestingJulian and I started a forum to cover such discussions...lots of 
folks have signed up, few have posted.


I'm hesitant to start a Wiki, based on the lack of support for a web based 
froum.


One of the problem with the Wiki is that anyone can post to it and anyone can 
change th posts of others...and so who would stand up and volunteer to ride herd

to insure that all the information posted was correct.

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Wiki

2007-10-16 Thread lyle johnson
One of the problem with the Wiki is that anyone can post to it and anyone 
can change the posts of others...


Not necessarily.  The HPSDR wiki and AMSAT's Eaglepedia are two examples of 
ham-related wikis lwhich imit access for posting/editing, but provide 
unlimited access for viewing.


73,

Lyle KK7P
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