[Elecraft] K3 vs K3S

[Johnny Siu via Elecraft]

Yes, the new KSYN3A synthesizer board is also good for SSB.  Perhaps, it should 
be the most valuable upgrade to K3.  If you don't have the funds for K3S, just 
do this upgrade, then over say 99% of the time you can't distinguish between a 
K3 Vs K3S
73
Johnny VR2XMC

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 主題︰ Re: [Elecraft] K3 vs K3S
   
What he saidand ditto for SSB.
Well worth the cost and effort.
Gary

-Original Message-
From: "K5WA" <k...@comcast.net>
Sent: ‎16/‎05/‎2016 1:50 PM
To: "elecraft@mailman.qth.net" <elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 vs K3S

Andy,
 
I don't have a YouTube video but when I put the new synth boards in my three
K3 (not K3S) rigs I found that I was able to handle close by signals better.
I'm mostly a CW contest guy so I can't say what SSB is like but a CW contest
seems to be less crowded now.  I know that is purely subjective and I have
no numbers of my own to support that but the published numbers and graphs
I've seen from others match what I am hearing.  I'm also happy that the new
synth boards help make my transmit signal cleaner as well.  I had a friend
record my signal when I was next to a "dirty" CW signal in a recent contest
and the difference is striking.  Yes, $250 USD is very expensive but I felt
it was well worth the cost.  After the CW keying issue improvement, I feel
like this synth upgrade is the most important improvement for me.
 
73,
Bob K5WA
 
>>>>Message: 2
>>>>>Date: Sat, 14 May 2016 07:13:27 +0200
>>>>>From: "Andrzej Worosz" <sp8...@interia.pl>
To: <elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 vs K3S
 
Has anyone compare rx  K3 vs  K3 with a new synth ( K3S)  by the A / B 
switch metode ?
As heard issued abt 250 usd ( KSYN3A) , what is the difference?
Where can I find a movie with such comparisons, cant find on youtube.
 
73 Andy sp8brq
 

  
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 vs K3S

[Gary]

What he saidand ditto for SSB.
Well worth the cost and effort.
Gary

-Original Message-
From: "K5WA" <k...@comcast.net>
Sent: ‎16/‎05/‎2016 1:50 PM
To: "elecraft@mailman.qth.net" <elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 vs K3S

Andy,
 
I don't have a YouTube video but when I put the new synth boards in my three
K3 (not K3S) rigs I found that I was able to handle close by signals better.
I'm mostly a CW contest guy so I can't say what SSB is like but a CW contest
seems to be less crowded now.  I know that is purely subjective and I have
no numbers of my own to support that but the published numbers and graphs
I've seen from others match what I am hearing.  I'm also happy that the new
synth boards help make my transmit signal cleaner as well.  I had a friend
record my signal when I was next to a "dirty" CW signal in a recent contest
and the difference is striking.  Yes, $250 USD is very expensive but I felt
it was well worth the cost.  After the CW keying issue improvement, I feel
like this synth upgrade is the most important improvement for me.
 
73,
Bob K5WA
 
>>>>Message: 2
>>>>>Date: Sat, 14 May 2016 07:13:27 +0200
>>>>>From: "Andrzej Worosz" <sp8...@interia.pl>
To: <elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 vs K3S
 
Has anyone compare rx  K3 vs  K3 with a new synth ( K3S)  by the A / B 
switch metode ?
As heard issued abt 250 usd ( KSYN3A) , what is the difference?
Where can I find a movie with such comparisons, cant find on youtube.
 
73 Andy sp8brq
 
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 vs K3S

[K5WA]

Andy,
 
I don't have a YouTube video but when I put the new synth boards in my three
K3 (not K3S) rigs I found that I was able to handle close by signals better.
I'm mostly a CW contest guy so I can't say what SSB is like but a CW contest
seems to be less crowded now.  I know that is purely subjective and I have
no numbers of my own to support that but the published numbers and graphs
I've seen from others match what I am hearing.  I'm also happy that the new
synth boards help make my transmit signal cleaner as well.  I had a friend
record my signal when I was next to a "dirty" CW signal in a recent contest
and the difference is striking.  Yes, $250 USD is very expensive but I felt
it was well worth the cost.  After the CW keying issue improvement, I feel
like this synth upgrade is the most important improvement for me.
 
73,
Bob K5WA
 
>>>>Message: 2
>>>>>Date: Sat, 14 May 2016 07:13:27 +0200
>>>>>From: "Andrzej Worosz" <sp8...@interia.pl>
To: <elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 vs K3S
 
Has anyone compare rx  K3 vs  K3 with a new synth ( K3S)  by the A / B 
switch metode ?
As heard issued abt 250 usd ( KSYN3A) , what is the difference?
Where can I find a movie with such comparisons, cant find on youtube.
 
73 Andy sp8brq
 
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[Elecraft] K3 vs K3S

[Andrzej Worosz]

Has anyone compare rx  K3 vs  K3 with a new synth ( K3S)  by the A / B 
switch metode ?

As heard issued abt 250 usd ( KSYN3A) , what is the difference?
Where can I find a movie with such comparisons, cant find on youtube.

73 Andy sp8brq



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[Elecraft] K3 vs K3s..."to be or not to be an "s"

[Tom Fitzgerald via Elecraft]

N1LQ-Dave...this is starting to remind me of the Apple iPhone drama...about 
every 6 months a new iPhone comes out that's "better" than the previous one. 
Sorta makes you wonder why they just didn't make the damn thing that way in the 
first place, I think we all know why. I've owned all the iPhones from the very 
first one up to the recently new 6 Plus w/128gig hard drive & now the 6s Plus 
is out!  Honestly!!!??? I've had gripes about all of them, use to be size (to 
small), then camera resolution, then software bugs & the OS, etcetera etcetera 
etcetera. Getting off topic...back to the radio...I have 3 radios inline 
including a mid serial number 3,000 something K3. I paid tooo damn much for 
all of them and am quite sure I can survive without the latest & greatest 
version of the K3...the "s" line...ya just know that some day real soon there 
will be the next latest & greatest K4 or some nonsense out making the new K3s 
old news. I can think of about a hundred other things I'd rather do with the 
 than burn it on another ham radio but then again, ham radio isn't my life 
or my passion, it's just a hobby. In the end it's a personal decision you have 
to make based on many factors. Do you really need this new version or just want 
it? It sounds like you have a great radio now...take a trip to the South 
Pacific with the wife instead is my advice (at least one of you could go for 
the same money maybe :), avoid getting that feeling of wondering why you blew 
perfectly good money on something you really didn't need in the first place. I 
find that it's the "wanting" that's the real drug, after you get the new 
"thing", it's newness wears off pretty quick & then it's just the same old same 
old again. Skip this version and wait for the next one is probably good advice 
too, maybe the best advice, you know that it's already being thought about & it 
is after all...inevitable. I'm staying pat until many of the physical features 
of the radio are addressed...& they will be...eventually, the performance 
upgrades will be in that future radio too. Don't get on the merry-go-round as I 
did with all the different models of the iPhone, it's simply a waste of 
perfectly good money better spent elsewhere or even invested and or saved. Just 
my two cents! 

kd0bcf 



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Re: [Elecraft] K3 vs K3s..."to be or not to be an "s"

[George Fritkin via Elecraft]

Then again we can all live the life of poverty.  You raise excellent points, 
however we establish priorities in our life.  Thank Goodness my family can 
enjoy the good life.  (The capital "G" is not a mistake).  I have a ton of ham 
gear, and believe me there are differences.  I have a new K3S and two K3s and a 
KX3. The K3S is a masterpiece.  As an old design EE and entrepreneur Elecraft 
is a company to be admired.  As I did, these two guys are living the American 
Dream. 

God bless America

73
de
George, W6GF

Sent from my iPad

> On Sep 11, 2015, at 9:23 AM, Tom Fitzgerald via Elecraft 
>  wrote:
> 
> N1LQ-Dave...this is starting to remind me of the Apple iPhone drama...about 
> every 6 months a new iPhone comes out that's "better" than the previous one. 
> Sorta makes you wonder why they just didn't make the damn thing that way in 
> the first place, I think we all know why. I've owned all the iPhones from the 
> very first one up to the recently new 6 Plus w/128gig hard drive & now the 6s 
> Plus is out!  Honestly!!!??? I've had gripes about all of them, use to be 
> size (to small), then camera resolution, then software bugs & the OS, 
> etcetera etcetera etcetera. Getting off topic...back to the radio...I have 3 
> radios inline including a mid serial number 3,000 something K3. I paid 
> tooo damn much for all of them and am quite sure I can survive without 
> the latest & greatest version of the K3...the "s" line...ya just know that 
> some day real soon there will be the next latest & greatest K4 or some 
> nonsense out making the new K3s old news. I can think of about a hundred 
> other things I'd rather do with the  than burn it on another ham radio 
> but then again, ham radio isn't my life or my passion, it's just a hobby. In 
> the end it's a personal decision you have to make based on many factors. Do 
> you really need this new version or just want it? It sounds like you have a 
> great radio now...take a trip to the South Pacific with the wife instead is 
> my advice (at least one of you could go for the same money maybe :), avoid 
> getting that feeling of wondering why you blew perfectly good money on 
> something you really didn't need in the first place. I find that it's the 
> "wanting" that's the real drug, after you get the new "thing", it's newness 
> wears off pretty quick & then it's just the same old same old again. Skip 
> this version and wait for the next one is probably good advice too, maybe the 
> best advice, you know that it's already being thought about & it is after 
> all...inevitable. I'm staying pat until many of the physical features of the 
> radio are addressed...& they will be...eventually, the performance upgrades 
> will be in that future radio too. Don't get on the merry-go-round as I did 
> with all the different models of the iPhone, it's simply a waste of perfectly 
> good money better spent elsewhere or even invested and or saved. Just my two 
> cents! 
> 
> kd0bcf 
> 
> 
> 
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> most evident and the clearest?”
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>  "The Necessity of Atheism" 1811
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 vs K3s..."to be or not to be an "s"

[Phil Wheeler]

Tom,

I'm happy Elecraft has not adopted the Apple 
iPhone business model; try adding a new board, or 
even a new battery, to your iPhone!  Of course, 
smaller scale of market does force a different 
business model.


OTOH -- Whatever you think of Apple's approach, it 
sure works for them! I wonder how long it will be 
before you buy your iPhone 6s Plus? :-)


73, Phil W7OX (still using my iPhone 5s, the newer 
ones are just larger than I like)


On 9/11/15 9:23 AM, Tom Fitzgerald via Elecraft wrote:
N1LQ-Dave...this is starting to remind me of the Apple iPhone drama...about every 6 months a new iPhone comes out that's "better" than the previous one. Sorta makes you wonder why they just didn't make the damn thing that way in the first place, I think we all know why. I've owned all the iPhones from the very first one up to the recently new 6 Plus w/128gig hard drive & now the 6s Plus is out!  Honestly!!!??? I've had gripes about all of them, use to be size (to small), then camera resolution, then software bugs & the OS, etcetera etcetera etcetera. Getting off topic...back to the radio...I have 3 radios inline including a mid serial number 3,000 something K3. I paid tooo damn much for all of them and am quite sure I can survive without the latest & greatest version of the K3...the "s" line...ya just know that some day real soon there will be the next latest & greatest K4 or some nonsense out making the new K3s old news. I can think of about a hundred other things I'd 

rather do with the  than burn it on another ham radio but then again, ham radio isn't my life or my 
passion, it's just a hobby. In the end it's a personal decision you have to make based on many factors. Do you 
really need this new version or just want it? It sounds like you have a great radio now...take a trip to the 
South Pacific with the wife instead is my advice (at least one of you could go for the same money maybe :), 
avoid getting that feeling of wondering why you blew perfectly good money on something you really didn't need 
in the first place. I find that it's the "wanting" that's the real drug, after you get the new 
"thing", it's newness wears off pretty quick & then it's just the same old same old again. Skip 
this version and wait for the next one is probably good advice too, maybe the best advice, you know that it's 
already being thought about & it is after all...inevitable. I'm staying pat until many of the physical 
features of the radio are addressed...& the
y will be...eventually, the performance upgrades will be in that future radio 
too. Don't get on the merry-go-round as I did with all the different models of 
the iPhone, it's simply a waste of perfectly good money better spent elsewhere 
or even invested and or saved. Just my two cents!


kd0bcf


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 vs K3s..."to be or not to be an "s"

[Gary]

Way to go Don.

Smart phones are a sneaky way for manufacturers to show us elder intellectuals 
how much of a hipster we could be.

All the above is very much tongue in cheek for those who have 
sensibilities:-)

Freedom of choice is almost the last thing left that is free in VK

Gary 

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Sent: ‎12/‎09/‎2015 8:15 AM
To: "elecraft@mailman.qth.net" <elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 vs K3s..."to be or not to be an "s"

It will be a long time before I buy an iPhone 'anything'.
I spend most of my time at home, and we live in a 'shielded box' (stucco 
with wire mesh) where I cannot get a connection - although some spots do 
provide 1 bar.  Yes, we are in a rural area.
As a result I do not own a Smartphone.  I do have a cellphone, but it is 
of the 'archaic' flip-phone type.  The XYL just an hour ago was in 
another building and wanted to talk with me, so she dialed my cellphone 
- I was in the basement at my workbench, and my phone did not even 
ring.  My phone is useful when I am away from home, but it does not 
provide the capability of the Smartphones.  But do I really need that?  
I have computer communications at home where I spend most of my time, 
and all the 'whizbangs' of Smartphones are useless to me unless I travel 
away from home.

I know that is not true for everyone, but that is the best I can do 
unless we get a cell tower with a sufficiently strong signal to 
penetrate my shielded house.

Just my personal situation - and is not valid for everyone.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 9/11/2015 5:31 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote:
>
> OTOH -- Whatever you think of Apple's approach, it sure works for 
> them! I wonder how long it will be before you buy your iPhone 6s Plus? 
> :-)
>

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 vs K3s..."to be or not to be an "s"

[Don Wilhelm]

It will be a long time before I buy an iPhone 'anything'.
I spend most of my time at home, and we live in a 'shielded box' (stucco 
with wire mesh) where I cannot get a connection - although some spots do 
provide 1 bar.  Yes, we are in a rural area.
As a result I do not own a Smartphone.  I do have a cellphone, but it is 
of the 'archaic' flip-phone type.  The XYL just an hour ago was in 
another building and wanted to talk with me, so she dialed my cellphone 
- I was in the basement at my workbench, and my phone did not even 
ring.  My phone is useful when I am away from home, but it does not 
provide the capability of the Smartphones.  But do I really need that?  
I have computer communications at home where I spend most of my time, 
and all the 'whizbangs' of Smartphones are useless to me unless I travel 
away from home.


I know that is not true for everyone, but that is the best I can do 
unless we get a cell tower with a sufficiently strong signal to 
penetrate my shielded house.


Just my personal situation - and is not valid for everyone.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 9/11/2015 5:31 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote:


OTOH -- Whatever you think of Apple's approach, it sure works for 
them! I wonder how long it will be before you buy your iPhone 6s Plus? 
:-)




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Re: [Elecraft] K3 vs K3s..."to be or not to be an "s"

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

Most carriers will provide a "pico-cell" at no charge.

There are also boosters that put an antenna outside, and another inside.

I haven't needed either.

I haven't had a wired phone for years.  I haven't had a "dumb" phone for 
years either.


73 -- Lynn

On 9/11/2015 5:56 PM, Kenneth Christiansen wrote:

My son showed me a personal cell phone relay that uses your internet connection 
and hooks into the cell phone network.


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 vs K3s..."to be or not to be an "s"

[Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft]

Let's drop the OT apple iPhone portion of this thread as its drifting a little 
far afield.

73,
Eric 
moderator etc. (at the ARRL Sw show selling lots of SP3s :-)
elecraft.com
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> On Sep 11, 2015, at 6:17 PM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT 
>  wrote:
> 
> Most carriers will provide a "pico-cell" at no charge.
> 
> There are also boosters that put an antenna outside, and another inside.
> 
> I haven't needed either.
> 
> I haven't had a wired phone for years.  I haven't had a "dumb" phone for 
> years either.
> 
> 73 -- Lynn
> 
>> On 9/11/2015 5:56 PM, Kenneth Christiansen wrote:
>> My son showed me a personal cell phone relay that uses your internet 
>> connection and hooks into the cell phone network.
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 vs K3s..."to be or not to be an "s"

[Kenneth Christiansen]

Hi Don and the group

This is not telling you to get a smart phone but this idea may help with 
communication between you and your wife. 

My son showed me a personal cell phone relay that uses your internet connection 
and hooks into the cell phone network. He works for a small company and they 
had trouble getting normal cell phone service for the people in the building. 
This worked out well for them. 

My XYL and I only have flip phones. One day when it was 30 below zero it was 
nice to call my XYL for help when I ran into a problem walking 2 miles to my 
volunteer job.

We get good service here.

73

Ken W0CZ   w0cz at i29 dot net

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> On Sep 11, 2015, at 5:14 PM, Don Wilhelm  wrote:
> 
> It will be a long time before I buy an iPhone 'anything'.
> I spend most of my time at home, and we live in a 'shielded box' (stucco with 
> wire mesh) where I cannot get a connection - although some spots do provide 1 
> bar.  Yes, we are in a rural area.
> As a result I do not own a Smartphone.  I do have a cellphone, but it is of 
> the 'archaic' flip-phone type.  The XYL just an hour ago was in another 
> building and wanted to talk with me, so she dialed my cellphone - I was in 
> the basement at my workbench, and my phone did not even ring.  My phone is 
> useful when I am away from home, but it does not provide the capability of 
> the Smartphones.  But do I really need that?  I have computer communications 
> at home where I spend most of my time, and all the 'whizbangs' of Smartphones 
> are useless to me unless I travel away from home.
> 
> I know that is not true for everyone, but that is the best I can do unless we 
> get a cell tower with a sufficiently strong signal to penetrate my shielded 
> house.
> 
> Just my personal situation - and is not valid for everyone.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
>> On 9/11/2015 5:31 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote:
>> 
>> OTOH -- Whatever you think of Apple's approach, it sure works for them! I 
>> wonder how long it will be before you buy your iPhone 6s Plus? :-)
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 vs K3s..."to be or not to be an "s"

[Phil Wheeler]

Or maybe two tin cans and some string? :-)

Phil W7OX

On 9/11/15 5:56 PM, Kenneth Christiansen wrote:

Hi Don and the group

This is not telling you to get a smart phone but this idea may help with 
communication between you and your wife.

My son showed me a personal cell phone relay that uses your internet connection 
and hooks into the cell phone network. He works for a small company and they 
had trouble getting normal cell phone service for the people in the building. 
This worked out well for them.

My XYL and I only have flip phones. One day when it was 30 below zero it was 
nice to call my XYL for help when I ran into a problem walking 2 miles to my 
volunteer job.

We get good service here.

73

Ken W0CZ   w0cz at i29 dot net


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