[Elecraft] K3S dead after attempted firmware update - fixed
Spot on Ian, ... yes it did have the recent W10 update so that could have been the problem! Cheers & 73 Ray G3XLG __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3S dead after attempted firmware update - Fixed
I am an IT guy, so I hear you. We patch, then lock down again On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 17:27 K8TE wrote: > Having worked in IT, I can tell you professional IT organizations test > patches before deploying them. > > Regarding Windows 10 Home use, you can delay patches now (a recent update). > > Finally, for a long time, you have been able to prevent Windows 10 from > updating drivers which can lead to COM port number changes: > > https://www.minitool.com/news/disable-automatic-driver-updates-win-10-009.html > . > > Windows and our computers are just like any tool or even a piece of radio > gear. it behooves us to learn how to use those tools and to stay current > with updates to them. These tools are more complex than hammers and just > as > dangerous in un-trained/educated hands. > > There is plenty of information (much of it correct) available with a quick > Google search. Before I spend a weekend or just a day contesting, I always > check for Windows Updates. If one is available, I download and install it > on ONE computer, test it, and if acceptable, do the same on my other > computers. I also check all of my antennas and the rest of my station's > systems. They are all tools of the "trade." > > 73, Bill, K8TE > > > > -- > Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ai4ns.m...@gmail.com > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3S dead after attempted firmware update - Fixed
Having worked in IT, I can tell you professional IT organizations test patches before deploying them. Regarding Windows 10 Home use, you can delay patches now (a recent update). Finally, for a long time, you have been able to prevent Windows 10 from updating drivers which can lead to COM port number changes: https://www.minitool.com/news/disable-automatic-driver-updates-win-10-009.html. Windows and our computers are just like any tool or even a piece of radio gear. it behooves us to learn how to use those tools and to stay current with updates to them. These tools are more complex than hammers and just as dangerous in un-trained/educated hands. There is plenty of information (much of it correct) available with a quick Google search. Before I spend a weekend or just a day contesting, I always check for Windows Updates. If one is available, I download and install it on ONE computer, test it, and if acceptable, do the same on my other computers. I also check all of my antennas and the rest of my station's systems. They are all tools of the "trade." 73, Bill, K8TE -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3S dead after attempted firmware update - Fixed
Actually, this is one of the worst ways Microsoft could handle updates. I work in information security for a hospital. I shudder to think what would happen if patching reset our life-saving critical clinical systems to all the default settings every month. Our infrastructure team would spend all their time putting out fires. While the impact for end-users isn't as life-or-death, it is still unreasonable to think that every time our systems get patched/updated, we have to reconfigure them. This is amplified by the fact that Microsoft no longer gives the home user any advance notice of when their system will be patched, nor way to disable automated patching. 73 de, Ian, NV4C On 6/7/20 4:21 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote: Since Microsoft does not know of every piece of software, on every Windows computer in the world, for simplicity, very often a Windows update will set values to DEFAULT values. Therefore, it is necessary for the user to set certain parameters to their preferred values after an update. I view that this is no fault of Windows, it is just the way they handle updates. Unless one is very familiar with the in-depth operation of Windows, it is wise for anyone to make notes of values, locations and they way one access certain application settings. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 6/7/2020 2:48 PM, barry halterman wrote: This is a classic case of CRE or Cosmic Ray Effect. No reason, just happens. On Sun, Jun 7, 2020, 1:51 PM Ian Kahn, NV4C wrote: Ray, By any chance did your first computer receive any updates from Microsoft recently? MS updates are well-known to completely bugger custom settings, including COM port settings. Just a thought. 73 de, Ian, NV4C On 6/7/20 10:42 AM, Ray Spreadbury via Elecraft wrote: Hi Buck What did I do to fix it? Well I left the K3S disconnected for an hour or so while I read the "trouble shooting" sections in the owners manuals. I decided to change the power supply & use a different PC & a different USB cable. To my surprise the K3S then started normally & with the new PC I was able to download a new copy of the Utility program & the latest firmware. This connected immediately to the K3S. So, what was wrong & why did it not work before? I have absolutely no idea! 73 Ray G3XLG __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to nv4c@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to kthre...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to rmcg...@blomand.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to nv4c@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3S dead after attempted firmware update - Fixed
This is why I transitioned from Windows to Linux Mint several months ago. 73 -- Lynn On 6/7/20 1:44 PM, Grant Youngman wrote: That would be a terrible way to handle updates. If a user has set specific parameters to meet their needs, Windows should simply leave them alone — unless they no longer exist in the updated version, or their effect/context has changed. If macOS reset everything to defaults every time there was new version, Apple would find my several Macs in front of the nearest Apple Store, “kitted out” with a sledge hammer .. :-) Grant NQ5T On Jun 7, 2020, at 4:21 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote: Since Microsoft does not know of every piece of software, on every Windows computer in the world, for simplicity, very often a Windows update will set values to DEFAULT values. Therefore, it is necessary for the user to set certain parameters to their preferred values after an update.I view that this is no fault of Windows, it is just the way they handle updates.Unless one is very familiar with the in-depth operation of Windows, it is wise for anyone to make notes of values, locations and they way one access certain application settings. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 6/7/2020 2:48 PM, barry halterman wrote: This is a classic case of CRE or Cosmic Ray Effect. No reason, just happens. On Sun, Jun 7, 2020, 1:51 PM Ian Kahn, NV4C wrote: Ray, By any chance did your first computer receive any updates from Microsoft recently? MS updates are well-known to completely bugger custom settings, including COM port settings. Just a thought. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to kx...@coldrockshotbrooms.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3S dead after attempted firmware update - Fixed
Agree. Macs don’t have this problem. John WA1EAZ > On Jun 7, 2020, at 4:44 PM, Grant Youngman wrote: > > That would be a terrible way to handle updates. If a user has set specific > parameters to meet their needs, Windows should simply leave them alone — > unless they no longer exist in the updated version, or their effect/context > has changed. If macOS reset everything to defaults every time there was new > version, Apple would find my several Macs in front of the nearest Apple > Store, “kitted out” with a sledge hammer .. :-) > > Grant NQ5T > >> On Jun 7, 2020, at 4:21 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote: >> >> Since Microsoft does not know of every piece of software, on every Windows >> computer in the world, for simplicity, very often a Windows update will set >> values to DEFAULT values. Therefore, it is necessary for the user to set >> certain parameters to their preferred values after an update.I view that >> this is no fault of Windows, it is just the way they handle updates. >> Unless one is very familiar with the in-depth operation of Windows, it is >> wise for anyone to make notes of values, locations and they way one access >> certain application settings. >> >> 73 >> >> Bob, K4TAX >> >> On 6/7/2020 2:48 PM, barry halterman wrote: >>> This is a classic case of CRE or Cosmic Ray Effect. No reason, just happens. >>> >>> On Sun, Jun 7, 2020, 1:51 PM Ian Kahn, NV4C wrote: >>> Ray, By any chance did your first computer receive any updates from Microsoft recently? MS updates are well-known to completely bugger custom settings, including COM port settings. Just a thought. > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jstengrev...@comcast.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3S dead after attempted firmware update - Fixed
That would be a terrible way to handle updates. If a user has set specific parameters to meet their needs, Windows should simply leave them alone — unless they no longer exist in the updated version, or their effect/context has changed. If macOS reset everything to defaults every time there was new version, Apple would find my several Macs in front of the nearest Apple Store, “kitted out” with a sledge hammer .. :-) Grant NQ5T > On Jun 7, 2020, at 4:21 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote: > > Since Microsoft does not know of every piece of software, on every Windows > computer in the world, for simplicity, very often a Windows update will set > values to DEFAULT values. Therefore, it is necessary for the user to set > certain parameters to their preferred values after an update.I view that > this is no fault of Windows, it is just the way they handle updates. > Unless one is very familiar with the in-depth operation of Windows, it is > wise for anyone to make notes of values, locations and they way one access > certain application settings. > > 73 > > Bob, K4TAX > > On 6/7/2020 2:48 PM, barry halterman wrote: >> This is a classic case of CRE or Cosmic Ray Effect. No reason, just happens. >> >> On Sun, Jun 7, 2020, 1:51 PM Ian Kahn, NV4C wrote: >> >>> Ray, >>> >>> By any chance did your first computer receive any updates from Microsoft >>> recently? MS updates are well-known to completely bugger custom >>> settings, including COM port settings. >>> >>> Just a thought. >>> __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3S dead after attempted firmware update - Fixed
Since Microsoft does not know of every piece of software, on every Windows computer in the world, for simplicity, very often a Windows update will set values to DEFAULT values. Therefore, it is necessary for the user to set certain parameters to their preferred values after an update. I view that this is no fault of Windows, it is just the way they handle updates. Unless one is very familiar with the in-depth operation of Windows, it is wise for anyone to make notes of values, locations and they way one access certain application settings. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 6/7/2020 2:48 PM, barry halterman wrote: This is a classic case of CRE or Cosmic Ray Effect. No reason, just happens. On Sun, Jun 7, 2020, 1:51 PM Ian Kahn, NV4C wrote: Ray, By any chance did your first computer receive any updates from Microsoft recently? MS updates are well-known to completely bugger custom settings, including COM port settings. Just a thought. 73 de, Ian, NV4C On 6/7/20 10:42 AM, Ray Spreadbury via Elecraft wrote: Hi Buck What did I do to fix it? Well I left the K3S disconnected for an hour or so while I read the "trouble shooting" sections in the owners manuals. I decided to change the power supply & use a different PC & a different USB cable. To my surprise the K3S then started normally & with the new PC I was able to download a new copy of the Utility program & the latest firmware. This connected immediately to the K3S. So, what was wrong & why did it not work before? I have absolutely no idea! 73 Ray G3XLG __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to nv4c@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to kthre...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to rmcg...@blomand.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3S dead after attempted firmware update - Fixed
This is a classic case of CRE or Cosmic Ray Effect. No reason, just happens. On Sun, Jun 7, 2020, 1:51 PM Ian Kahn, NV4C wrote: > Ray, > > By any chance did your first computer receive any updates from Microsoft > recently? MS updates are well-known to completely bugger custom > settings, including COM port settings. > > Just a thought. > > 73 de, > > Ian, NV4C > > > On 6/7/20 10:42 AM, Ray Spreadbury via Elecraft wrote: > > Hi Buck > > > > What did I do to fix it? > > > > Well I left the K3S disconnected for an hour or so while I read the > "trouble > > shooting" sections in the owners manuals. I decided to change the power > > supply & use a different PC & a different USB cable. > > > > To my surprise the K3S then started normally & with the new PC I was > able to > > download a new copy of the Utility program & the latest firmware. This > > connected immediately to the K3S. > > > > So, what was wrong & why did it not work before? > > > > I have absolutely no idea! > > > > 73 Ray G3XLG > > > > __ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to nv4c@gmail.com > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kthre...@gmail.com > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3S dead after attempted firmware update - Fixed
Ray, By any chance did your first computer receive any updates from Microsoft recently? MS updates are well-known to completely bugger custom settings, including COM port settings. Just a thought. 73 de, Ian, NV4C On 6/7/20 10:42 AM, Ray Spreadbury via Elecraft wrote: Hi Buck What did I do to fix it? Well I left the K3S disconnected for an hour or so while I read the "trouble shooting" sections in the owners manuals. I decided to change the power supply & use a different PC & a different USB cable. To my surprise the K3S then started normally & with the new PC I was able to download a new copy of the Utility program & the latest firmware. This connected immediately to the K3S. So, what was wrong & why did it not work before? I have absolutely no idea! 73 Ray G3XLG __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to nv4c@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Elecraft] K3S dead after attempted firmware update - Fixed
Hi Buck What did I do to fix it? Well I left the K3S disconnected for an hour or so while I read the "trouble shooting" sections in the owners manuals. I decided to change the power supply & use a different PC & a different USB cable. To my surprise the K3S then started normally & with the new PC I was able to download a new copy of the Utility program & the latest firmware. This connected immediately to the K3S. So, what was wrong & why did it not work before? I have absolutely no idea! 73 Ray G3XLG __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3S dead after attempted firmware update -FIXED
Please tell us what you did so everyone can learn from your experience k4ia, Buck K3s# 11497 Honor Roll 8B DXCC EasyWayHamBooks.com On 6/6/2020 12:19 PM, Ray Spreadbury via Elecraft wrote: Thanks to Paul GM0BKC who put me on the right track. Radio now fine & Firmware update completed Ray G3XLG __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to radiok...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Elecraft] K3S dead after attempted firmware update -FIXED
Thanks to Paul GM0BKC who put me on the right track. Radio now fine & Firmware update completed Ray G3XLG __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
