Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 and K3 SWR meters disagree

2018-06-03 Thread jeff griffin
That's true. Especially when you let stuff sit for 6 months between uses. I 
need to get more of those covers

73 Jeff kb2m

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[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Clay Autery
Sent: Sunday, June 3, 2018 2:34 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 and K3 SWR meters disagree

Make and break syndrome!  

Either there was a connector that was not fully mated even though you 
thought it was (something fouling a thread making it appear snug) or 
some oxidation/schmutz on one of the mating surfaces.

I've experienced BOTH... it is maddening for sure.  That's why I now put 
covers on ALL unused connector ends for cables/jumpers not actually in 
use.  There's a reason the military "dummy cords" a connector cover to 
virtually everything.  

73,

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On 06/03/18 09:58, jeff griffin wrote:
> FIXED ! This morning I went through the RF jumper cables. I didn't find any
> issues after taking each one out and inspecting. So I went through all the
> other Elecraft supplied cables and also found no issues. So just to be sure
> I make a new set of RF jumper cables out of LMR-240. Hooked everything up
> and the problem is now fixed. I then tried the jumper cables I replaced one
> at a time and the problem didn't return. Go figure. So I put the new LMR-240
> jumpers back on and life is once again good in kb2mland...
>
> 73 Jeff kb2m
>

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Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 and K3 SWR meters disagree

2018-06-03 Thread Clay Autery

Make and break syndrome!  

Either there was a connector that was not fully mated even though you 
thought it was (something fouling a thread making it appear snug) or 
some oxidation/schmutz on one of the mating surfaces.


I've experienced BOTH... it is maddening for sure.  That's why I now put 
covers on ALL unused connector ends for cables/jumpers not actually in 
use.  There's a reason the military "dummy cords" a connector cover to 
virtually everything.  


73,

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(318) 518-1389

On 06/03/18 09:58, jeff griffin wrote:

FIXED ! This morning I went through the RF jumper cables. I didn't find any
issues after taking each one out and inspecting. So I went through all the
other Elecraft supplied cables and also found no issues. So just to be sure
I make a new set of RF jumper cables out of LMR-240. Hooked everything up
and the problem is now fixed. I then tried the jumper cables I replaced one
at a time and the problem didn't return. Go figure. So I put the new LMR-240
jumpers back on and life is once again good in kb2mland...

73 Jeff kb2m



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Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 and K3 SWR meters disagree

2018-06-03 Thread jeff griffin
The jumpers connectors were good quality, but are very old I think I built
them maybe 20 years ago. Anyway now I use better coax, and quality crimp on
connectors I use either Amphenol or the DX Engineering brand which seem to
me to be equal to the Amphenol brand. I'm not the type to pursue this
farther, I'm not going to dissect the connectors on the old jumpers, I'm
just going to throw them out. I have better things to do with my time :-)

73 Jeff kb2m


-Original Message-
From: Bob McGraw K4TAX [mailto:rmcg...@blomand.net] 
Sent: Sunday, June 3, 2018 1:52 PM
To: jeff griffin
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 and K3 SWR meters disagree

Loose or poor quality PL-259.  There are many which "look good" but are not.
Always snug PL-259 connectors on the SO-239 such they are a bit more than
finger tight. I use/have a pair of 4" Channel lock pliers on the desk. 

Bob, K4TAX


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 3, 2018, at 9:58 AM, jeff griffin  wrote:
> 
> FIXED ! This morning I went through the RF jumper cables. I didn't find
any
> issues after taking each one out and inspecting. So I went through all the
> other Elecraft supplied cables and also found no issues. So just to be
sure
> I make a new set of RF jumper cables out of LMR-240. Hooked everything up
> and the problem is now fixed. I then tried the jumper cables I replaced
one
> at a time and the problem didn't return. Go figure. So I put the new
LMR-240
> jumpers back on and life is once again good in kb2mland...
> 
> 73 Jeff kb2m
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
> [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of jeff griffin
> Sent: Saturday, June 2, 2018 11:49 AM
> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 and K3 SWR meters disagree
> 
> I recently brought my KPA/KAT500 north for the summer and hooked up to my
> trapped multiband fan dipole that I use here in NJ. I leave my K3 here for
> remote use and use the amp at my winter home in Florida to use with my
Flex
> 6500 with a Steppir Vertical antenna without the KAT500 tuner. When I got
up
> here I installed the KIO3B option. The install went well with no issues,
all
> looked good so I connected the K3, P3, KAT500, and KPA500 with the
Elecraft
> provided cable set like I do every year. 
> 
> The issue I'm having is an SWR difference between the KAT500 and the K3.
> For example if I use the K3's internal tuner I can on a chosen frequency
> achieve an SWR of 1/1. I the put the internal K3 tuner in bypass mode and
> take the KAT500 out of bypass and set to auto. I then use the xmit button
on
> the K3 to create a tune signal to be sent to the KAT500. The K3 then shows
a
> 1/1, the KAT500 about the same but the KPA500 which is in STBY mode shows
> around 3/1. What this causes to happen is the Amp will fault out if I try
to
> use any power output. If I check the antenna with a trusted SWR meter I
see
> 1.3/1 at the frequency of use. I upgraded the firmware in all the devices
in
> use, I also did a reset of the KAT's stored frequencies memory, and
checked
> both the amp and tuner with the utility programs. I'm going to call
Elecraft
> on Monday, anyone have any ideas in the meantime I can try?
> 
> 73 Jeff kb2m   
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 and K3 SWR meters disagree

2018-06-03 Thread Bob McGraw K4TAX
Loose or poor quality PL-259.  There are many which "look good" but are not. 
Always snug PL-259 connectors on the SO-239 such they are a bit more than 
finger tight. I use/have a pair of 4" Channel lock pliers on the desk. 

Bob, K4TAX


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 3, 2018, at 9:58 AM, jeff griffin  wrote:
> 
> FIXED ! This morning I went through the RF jumper cables. I didn't find any
> issues after taking each one out and inspecting. So I went through all the
> other Elecraft supplied cables and also found no issues. So just to be sure
> I make a new set of RF jumper cables out of LMR-240. Hooked everything up
> and the problem is now fixed. I then tried the jumper cables I replaced one
> at a time and the problem didn't return. Go figure. So I put the new LMR-240
> jumpers back on and life is once again good in kb2mland...
> 
> 73 Jeff kb2m
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
> [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of jeff griffin
> Sent: Saturday, June 2, 2018 11:49 AM
> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 and K3 SWR meters disagree
> 
> I recently brought my KPA/KAT500 north for the summer and hooked up to my
> trapped multiband fan dipole that I use here in NJ. I leave my K3 here for
> remote use and use the amp at my winter home in Florida to use with my Flex
> 6500 with a Steppir Vertical antenna without the KAT500 tuner. When I got up
> here I installed the KIO3B option. The install went well with no issues, all
> looked good so I connected the K3, P3, KAT500, and KPA500 with the Elecraft
> provided cable set like I do every year. 
> 
> The issue I'm having is an SWR difference between the KAT500 and the K3.
> For example if I use the K3's internal tuner I can on a chosen frequency
> achieve an SWR of 1/1. I the put the internal K3 tuner in bypass mode and
> take the KAT500 out of bypass and set to auto. I then use the xmit button on
> the K3 to create a tune signal to be sent to the KAT500. The K3 then shows a
> 1/1, the KAT500 about the same but the KPA500 which is in STBY mode shows
> around 3/1. What this causes to happen is the Amp will fault out if I try to
> use any power output. If I check the antenna with a trusted SWR meter I see
> 1.3/1 at the frequency of use. I upgraded the firmware in all the devices in
> use, I also did a reset of the KAT's stored frequencies memory, and checked
> both the amp and tuner with the utility programs. I'm going to call Elecraft
> on Monday, anyone have any ideas in the meantime I can try?
> 
> 73 Jeff kb2m   
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 and K3 SWR meters disagree

2018-06-03 Thread jeff griffin
FIXED ! This morning I went through the RF jumper cables. I didn't find any
issues after taking each one out and inspecting. So I went through all the
other Elecraft supplied cables and also found no issues. So just to be sure
I make a new set of RF jumper cables out of LMR-240. Hooked everything up
and the problem is now fixed. I then tried the jumper cables I replaced one
at a time and the problem didn't return. Go figure. So I put the new LMR-240
jumpers back on and life is once again good in kb2mland...

73 Jeff kb2m
 

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[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of jeff griffin
Sent: Saturday, June 2, 2018 11:49 AM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 and K3 SWR meters disagree

 I recently brought my KPA/KAT500 north for the summer and hooked up to my
trapped multiband fan dipole that I use here in NJ. I leave my K3 here for
remote use and use the amp at my winter home in Florida to use with my Flex
6500 with a Steppir Vertical antenna without the KAT500 tuner. When I got up
here I installed the KIO3B option. The install went well with no issues, all
looked good so I connected the K3, P3, KAT500, and KPA500 with the Elecraft
provided cable set like I do every year. 
  
 The issue I'm having is an SWR difference between the KAT500 and the K3.
For example if I use the K3's internal tuner I can on a chosen frequency
achieve an SWR of 1/1. I the put the internal K3 tuner in bypass mode and
take the KAT500 out of bypass and set to auto. I then use the xmit button on
the K3 to create a tune signal to be sent to the KAT500. The K3 then shows a
1/1, the KAT500 about the same but the KPA500 which is in STBY mode shows
around 3/1. What this causes to happen is the Amp will fault out if I try to
use any power output. If I check the antenna with a trusted SWR meter I see
1.3/1 at the frequency of use. I upgraded the firmware in all the devices in
use, I also did a reset of the KAT's stored frequencies memory, and checked
both the amp and tuner with the utility programs. I'm going to call Elecraft
on Monday, anyone have any ideas in the meantime I can try?

73 Jeff kb2m   

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Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 and K3 SWR meters disagree

2018-06-02 Thread Grant Youngman
Have you replaced the coax cable between the KPA500 and the KAT500?  


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> On Jun 2, 2018, at 5:04 PM, jeff griffin  wrote:
> 
> Hi Jack. The swr is so different between the two that there has to be a
> problem. I've had this setup for 3 years and never experienced this
> behavior.
> 
> 73 Jedff kb2m
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Jack Brindle [mailto:jackbrin...@me.com] 
> Sent: Saturday, June 2, 2018 4:47 PM
> To: jeff griffin
> Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 and K3 SWR meters disagree
> 
> Jeff;
> 
> Do I understand that for the first test you are driving the antenna through
> the KPA500 and KAT500 (with KAT500 in bypass)? If so, it makes a lot of
> sense that you will see different SWR. The KPA and KAT are providing a
> completely different load for the K3. The better test is to feed the antenna
> directly from the K3 without the KPA and KAT in-line. I would expect you to
> see a closer match at that point, although I doubt they will ever be
> identical due to the differences in the directional couplers in the K3 vs
> the KAT500 (and KPA500 for that matter).
> 
> Jack, W6FB
> 
> 
>> On Jun 2, 2018, at 8:48 AM, jeff griffin  wrote:
>> 
>> I recently brought my KPA/KAT500 north for the summer and hooked up to my
> trapped multiband fan dipole that I use here in NJ. I leave my K3 here for
> remote use and use the amp at my winter home in Florida to use with my Flex
> 6500 with a Steppir Vertical antenna without the KAT500 tuner. When I got up
> here I installed the KIO3B option. The install went well with no issues, all
> looked good so I connected the K3, P3, KAT500, and KPA500 with the Elecraft
> provided cable set like I do every year. 
>> 
>> The issue I'm having is an SWR difference between the KAT500 and the K3.
> For example if I use the K3's internal tuner I can on a chosen frequency
> achieve an SWR of 1/1. I the put the internal K3 tuner in bypass mode and
> take the KAT500 out of bypass and set to auto. I then use the xmit button on
> the K3 to create a tune signal to be sent to the KAT500. The K3 then shows a
> 1/1, the KAT500 about the same but the KPA500 which is in STBY mode shows
> around 3/1. What this causes to happen is the Amp will fault out if I try to
> use any power output. If I check the antenna with a trusted SWR meter I see
> 1.3/1 at the frequency of use. I upgraded the firmware in all the devices in
> use, I also did a reset of the KAT's stored frequencies memory, and checked
> both the amp and tuner with the utility programs. I'm going to call Elecraft
> on Monday, anyone have any ideas in the meantime I can try?
>> 
>> 73 Jeff kb2m   
>> 
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Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 and K3 SWR meters disagree

2018-06-02 Thread jeff griffin
Hi Jack. The swr is so different between the two that there has to be a
problem. I've had this setup for 3 years and never experienced this
behavior.

73 Jedff kb2m

-Original Message-
From: Jack Brindle [mailto:jackbrin...@me.com] 
Sent: Saturday, June 2, 2018 4:47 PM
To: jeff griffin
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 and K3 SWR meters disagree

Jeff;

Do I understand that for the first test you are driving the antenna through
the KPA500 and KAT500 (with KAT500 in bypass)? If so, it makes a lot of
sense that you will see different SWR. The KPA and KAT are providing a
completely different load for the K3. The better test is to feed the antenna
directly from the K3 without the KPA and KAT in-line. I would expect you to
see a closer match at that point, although I doubt they will ever be
identical due to the differences in the directional couplers in the K3 vs
the KAT500 (and KPA500 for that matter).

Jack, W6FB


> On Jun 2, 2018, at 8:48 AM, jeff griffin  wrote:
> 
> I recently brought my KPA/KAT500 north for the summer and hooked up to my
trapped multiband fan dipole that I use here in NJ. I leave my K3 here for
remote use and use the amp at my winter home in Florida to use with my Flex
6500 with a Steppir Vertical antenna without the KAT500 tuner. When I got up
here I installed the KIO3B option. The install went well with no issues, all
looked good so I connected the K3, P3, KAT500, and KPA500 with the Elecraft
provided cable set like I do every year. 
> 
> The issue I'm having is an SWR difference between the KAT500 and the K3.
For example if I use the K3's internal tuner I can on a chosen frequency
achieve an SWR of 1/1. I the put the internal K3 tuner in bypass mode and
take the KAT500 out of bypass and set to auto. I then use the xmit button on
the K3 to create a tune signal to be sent to the KAT500. The K3 then shows a
1/1, the KAT500 about the same but the KPA500 which is in STBY mode shows
around 3/1. What this causes to happen is the Amp will fault out if I try to
use any power output. If I check the antenna with a trusted SWR meter I see
1.3/1 at the frequency of use. I upgraded the firmware in all the devices in
use, I also did a reset of the KAT's stored frequencies memory, and checked
both the amp and tuner with the utility programs. I'm going to call Elecraft
on Monday, anyone have any ideas in the meantime I can try?
> 
> 73 Jeff kb2m   
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 and K3 SWR meters disagree

2018-06-02 Thread jeff griffin
Thanks for the reply Don. Tried that and didn't work, still have the SWR issue. 
Tried the amp on a resonant frequency, and it still is showing a bad SWR, but 
not bad enough to always fault.

73 Jeff kb2m

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From: Don Wilhelm [mailto:donw...@embarqmail.com] 
Sent: Saturday, June 2, 2018 1:54 PM
To: jeff griffin; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 and K3 SWR meters disagree

Jeff,

Check the coax between the KPA500 and the KAT500.  Make certain the 
connectors are tight.  Replace with a different coax if you have one.

You can always do a check on the KPA500 wattmeter by connecting a dummy 
load to the KPA500 (no tuner).

73,
Don W3FPR

On 6/2/2018 11:48 AM, jeff griffin wrote:
>   I recently brought my KPA/KAT500 north for the summer and hooked up to my 
> trapped multiband fan dipole that I use here in NJ. I leave my K3 here for 
> remote use and use the amp at my winter home in Florida to use with my Flex 
> 6500 with a Steppir Vertical antenna without the KAT500 tuner. When I got up 
> here I installed the KIO3B option. The install went well with no issues, all 
> looked good so I connected the K3, P3, KAT500, and KPA500 with the Elecraft 
> provided cable set like I do every year.
>
>   The issue I'm having is an SWR difference between the KAT500 and the K3. 
> For example if I use the K3's internal tuner I can on a chosen frequency 
> achieve an SWR of 1/1. I the put the internal K3 tuner in bypass mode and 
> take the KAT500 out of bypass and set to auto. I then use the xmit button on 
> the K3 to create a tune signal to be sent to the KAT500. The K3 then shows a 
> 1/1, the KAT500 about the same but the KPA500 which is in STBY mode shows 
> around 3/1. What this causes to happen is the Amp will fault out if I try to 
> use any power output. If I check the antenna with a trusted SWR meter I see 
> 1.3/1 at the frequency of use. I upgraded the firmware in all the devices in 
> use, I also did a reset of the KAT's stored frequencies memory, and checked 
> both the amp and tuner with the utility programs. I'm going to call Elecraft 
> on Monday, anyone have any ideas in the meantime I can try?
> 
> 73 Jeff kb2m
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 and K3 SWR meters disagree

2018-06-02 Thread Jack Brindle
Jeff;

Do I understand that for the first test you are driving the antenna through the 
KPA500 and KAT500 (with KAT500 in bypass)? If so, it makes a lot of sense that 
you will see different SWR. The KPA and KAT are providing a completely 
different load for the K3. The better test is to feed the antenna directly from 
the K3 without the KPA and KAT in-line. I would expect you to see a closer 
match at that point, although I doubt they will ever be identical due to the 
differences in the directional couplers in the K3 vs the KAT500 (and KPA500 for 
that matter).

Jack, W6FB


> On Jun 2, 2018, at 8:48 AM, jeff griffin  wrote:
> 
> I recently brought my KPA/KAT500 north for the summer and hooked up to my 
> trapped multiband fan dipole that I use here in NJ. I leave my K3 here for 
> remote use and use the amp at my winter home in Florida to use with my Flex 
> 6500 with a Steppir Vertical antenna without the KAT500 tuner. When I got up 
> here I installed the KIO3B option. The install went well with no issues, all 
> looked good so I connected the K3, P3, KAT500, and KPA500 with the Elecraft 
> provided cable set like I do every year. 
> 
> The issue I'm having is an SWR difference between the KAT500 and the K3. For 
> example if I use the K3's internal tuner I can on a chosen frequency achieve 
> an SWR of 1/1. I the put the internal K3 tuner in bypass mode and take the 
> KAT500 out of bypass and set to auto. I then use the xmit button on the K3 to 
> create a tune signal to be sent to the KAT500. The K3 then shows a 1/1, the 
> KAT500 about the same but the KPA500 which is in STBY mode shows around 3/1. 
> What this causes to happen is the Amp will fault out if I try to use any 
> power output. If I check the antenna with a trusted SWR meter I see 1.3/1 at 
> the frequency of use. I upgraded the firmware in all the devices in use, I 
> also did a reset of the KAT's stored frequencies memory, and checked both the 
> amp and tuner with the utility programs. I'm going to call Elecraft on 
> Monday, anyone have any ideas in the meantime I can try?
> 
> 73 Jeff kb2m   
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Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 and K3 SWR meters disagree

2018-06-02 Thread Don Wilhelm

Jeff,

Check the coax between the KPA500 and the KAT500.  Make certain the 
connectors are tight.  Replace with a different coax if you have one.


You can always do a check on the KPA500 wattmeter by connecting a dummy 
load to the KPA500 (no tuner).


73,
Don W3FPR

On 6/2/2018 11:48 AM, jeff griffin wrote:

  I recently brought my KPA/KAT500 north for the summer and hooked up to my 
trapped multiband fan dipole that I use here in NJ. I leave my K3 here for 
remote use and use the amp at my winter home in Florida to use with my Flex 
6500 with a Steppir Vertical antenna without the KAT500 tuner. When I got up 
here I installed the KIO3B option. The install went well with no issues, all 
looked good so I connected the K3, P3, KAT500, and KPA500 with the Elecraft 
provided cable set like I do every year.
   
  The issue I'm having is an SWR difference between the KAT500 and the K3. For example if I use the K3's internal tuner I can on a chosen frequency achieve an SWR of 1/1. I the put the internal K3 tuner in bypass mode and take the KAT500 out of bypass and set to auto. I then use the xmit button on the K3 to create a tune signal to be sent to the KAT500. The K3 then shows a 1/1, the KAT500 about the same but the KPA500 which is in STBY mode shows around 3/1. What this causes to happen is the Amp will fault out if I try to use any power output. If I check the antenna with a trusted SWR meter I see 1.3/1 at the frequency of use. I upgraded the firmware in all the devices in use, I also did a reset of the KAT's stored frequencies memory, and checked both the amp and tuner with the utility programs. I'm going to call Elecraft on Monday, anyone have any ideas in the meantime I can try?


73 Jeff kb2m

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[Elecraft] KPA500 and K3 SWR meters disagree

2018-06-02 Thread jeff griffin
 I recently brought my KPA/KAT500 north for the summer and hooked up to my 
trapped multiband fan dipole that I use here in NJ. I leave my K3 here for 
remote use and use the amp at my winter home in Florida to use with my Flex 
6500 with a Steppir Vertical antenna without the KAT500 tuner. When I got up 
here I installed the KIO3B option. The install went well with no issues, all 
looked good so I connected the K3, P3, KAT500, and KPA500 with the Elecraft 
provided cable set like I do every year. 
  
 The issue I'm having is an SWR difference between the KAT500 and the K3. For 
example if I use the K3's internal tuner I can on a chosen frequency achieve an 
SWR of 1/1. I the put the internal K3 tuner in bypass mode and take the KAT500 
out of bypass and set to auto. I then use the xmit button on the K3 to create a 
tune signal to be sent to the KAT500. The K3 then shows a 1/1, the KAT500 about 
the same but the KPA500 which is in STBY mode shows around 3/1. What this 
causes to happen is the Amp will fault out if I try to use any power output. If 
I check the antenna with a trusted SWR meter I see 1.3/1 at the frequency of 
use. I upgraded the firmware in all the devices in use, I also did a reset of 
the KAT's stored frequencies memory, and checked both the amp and tuner with 
the utility programs. I'm going to call Elecraft on Monday, anyone have any 
ideas in the meantime I can try?

73 Jeff kb2m   

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