Re: [Elecraft] KUSB for K3
On May 7, 2007, at 7:20 AM, Thom LaCosta wrote: On Sun, 6 May 2007, Brian Lloyd wrote: But getting back to the question, insofar as the K3 is concerned, it is doing serial async RS-232. That is pretty generic. Virtually any one-USB-to-one-serial-port adaptor is going to work with your computer. I have been through 3 adpaters here that don't work with my DellI hope the KUSB does. I suspect you will find that the KUSB won't work either. I suspect you are running Windows. There you are at the mercy of each provider of the USB/serial converter to provide you with a driver that works. But as someone else said, it could be a problem with the USB port on the computer. Via made a USB 1.0 chip at one point that ended up in a lot of computers and that just didn't work right. Getting USB to work properly on those computers is a challenge and many USB devices just didn't work right as a result. So, getting USB to work depends on the following: 1. the chip(s) implementing the USB port in your computer; 2. the driver for the chip implementing the USB port in your computer; 3. the chip(s) implementing the serial-to-USB adaptor; 4. the driver provided with the serial-to-USB adaptor. If you are using a MacOS, Linux, or a flavor of UNIX you will find that there tend to be only a few generic drivers for this since the drivers are based on the chip(s) used. Windows requires a vendor- specific driver for each device. The latter means that even if you get the same hardware (serial-to-USB converter) from two different vendors (generic Taiwanese serial-to-USB adaptor), you need two different drivers for Windows but only one generic driver with MacOS, Linux, or *NIX. 73 de Brian, WB6RQN Brian Lloyd - brian HYPHEN wb6rqn AT lloyd DOT com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] KUSB for K3
On May 7, 2007, at 11:16 AM, Thom LaCosta wrote: On Mon, 7 May 2007, Brian Lloyd wrote: I suspect you will find that the KUSB won't work either. I suspect you are running Windows. Thought I had made it clear when I first posted about it. Sorry. There have been several go-rounds on this and I didn't go back and reread your original posting. I was working from memory, a shaky proposition at best. ;-) It would seem to me that Elecraft should look into providing a USB interface, since there are so many folks using windows and so many vendors no longer use USB. I think you mean that many no longer use RS-232 serial. I agree with you that RS-232 no longer makes a lot of sense. If I can't a converter to work, I'll get a card and waste a slot First thing to do is go to Dell and upgrade the drivers for your USB port/hub in your computer. After that look to see if there are new drivers for your USB-to-serial converter and load those. You may find it useful to uninstall all the USB devices (and their drivers) and then reinstall them. Sometimes that fixes problems that are resistant to other approaches. You also might consider using a bootable CD with Linux on it to see if their drivers will work properly with your hardware. With the world using USB, I am amazed that people don't include a USB interface. If Elecraft opted for having their own USB device then they would have to provide drivers for Windows, something I would not want to do if I were them as it would raise their tech-support requirement. By doing what they have done they have pushed the USB/converter/driver problem to someone else. That makes a lot of sense to me. OTOH I am strongly of the opinion that USB is still too low-level and hardware dependent. Ethernet makes a lot more sense as just about every computer made today has ethernet and supports TCP/IP networking. It would open up many more applications than would USB and certainly a lot more than RS-232. Many hams have either a cable or a DSL connection to the Internet. That implies that they have ethernet running already. 73 de Brian, WB6RQN Brian Lloyd - brian HYPHEN wb6rqn AT lloyd DOT com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] KUSB for K3
On Mon, 7 May 2007, Brian Lloyd wrote: I think you mean that many no longer use RS-232 serial. I agree with you that RS-232 no longer makes a lot of sense. Yes, another famous TLC typo (g). If I can't a converter to work, I'll get a card and waste a slot First thing to do is go to Dell and upgrade the drivers for your USB port/hub in your computer. The auto updates are on...the Dell Dwarfs stay up 24/7 just to update my machine. You also might consider using a bootable CD with Linux on it to see if their drivers will work properly with your hardware. You've lost me...test Linux drivers to see if there is a problem with Windows drivers or with the hardware??? With the world using USB, I am amazed that people don't include a USB interface. If Elecraft opted for having their own USB device then they would have to provide drivers for Windows, something I would not want to do if I were them as it would raise their tech-support requirement. By doing what they have done they have pushed the USB/converter/driver problem to someone else. That makes a lot of sense to me. But from a customer standpoint, it makes no sense whatsover. Putting it another wayIf I am faced with replacing an expensive computer system to interface with a $2000 plus device, I would be upset at having bought the device...and if I hadn't already purchased it, I would pass on the whole thing. OTOH I am strongly of the opinion that USB is still too low-level and hardware dependent. Ethernet makes a lot more sense as just about every computer made today has ethernet and supports TCP/IP networking. It would open up many more applications than would USB and certainly a lot more than RS-232. Many hams have either a cable or a DSL connection to the Internet. That implies that they have ethernet running already. But many hams have very old computersand so that would knock them out of the box. From my perspective Elecraft would need to have a USB interface(Not an adapter), and a serial interface. Your concept of Ethernet is interesting, but could be not only a challenge to some, but an impossibility for folks with older units. After all, I could use my old Osborne to control the K3the K3 would fit on top of the luggable. 73,Thom-k3hrn www.zerobeat.net Home of QRP Web Ring, Drakelist home page,Drake Web Ring, QRP IRC channel, Drake IRC Channel, Elecraft Owners Database www.tlchost.net/hosting/ *** Web Hosting as low as 3.49/month ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] KUSB for K3
Windows loads USB drivers based on the vendor id and product id reported by the device. Are you implying that MacOS and Linux do it differently, by saying the driver used is based on the chip? 73, Jim So, getting USB to work depends on the following: 1. the chip(s) implementing the USB port in your computer; 2. the driver for the chip implementing the USB port in your computer; 3. the chip(s) implementing the serial-to-USB adaptor; 4. the driver provided with the serial-to-USB adaptor. If you are using a MacOS, Linux, or a flavor of UNIX you will find that there tend to be only a few generic drivers for this since the drivers are based on the chip(s) used. Windows requires a vendor- specific driver for each device. The latter means that even if you get the same hardware (serial-to-USB converter) from two different vendors (generic Taiwanese serial-to-USB adaptor), you need two different drivers for Windows but only one generic driver with MacOS, Linux, or *NIX. 73 de Brian, WB6RQN Brian Lloyd - brian HYPHEN wb6rqn AT lloyd DOT com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] KUSB for K3
On Sun, 6 May 2007, Don Wilhelm wrote: Thom, I guess I should have said *WILL* know - I don't know the answer yet, but I have faith that the answer will be available. Maybe Elecraft will ship me a KUSBI am trying to find my wrap plug. I'd like someway to test the serial/usb convertor. Or...I could volunteer to be the K3Dell USB Beta tester (g). 73,Thom-k3hrn www.zerobeat.net Home of QRP Web Ring, Drakelist home page,Drake Web Ring, QRP IRC channel, Drake IRC Channel, Elecraft Owners Database www.tlchost.net/hosting/ *** Web Hosting as low as 3.49/month ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] KUSB for K3
Linux uses vendor and product id as well, but there is wildcard matching, so the driver is loaded based on the match. Linux has a more flexible architecture for USB hotplug, so it is up to the distribution or the upstream provider of the USB system to decide what driver to load, not the manufacturer of the peripheral. Also, in Windows, what is called the driver is often a driver and an application program to be autorun when the device is detected. For RS232 dongles, there is no application program, but for some device that happens to incorporate the same chip but wants to autolaunch an app, there is. For example, the Vector Network Analyzer from Mini Radio Solutions uses such a chip to provide USB connectivity, although it is inherently a serial device. When I plug it in to Windows, it uses a generic driver I had to manually install, and it maps the device to some random COM port, using a number that changes from time to time; sometimes it is COM11, sometimes COM13. I have to find the init file for the VNA software and edit it. When I plug it in to Linux, it gets assigned the next device number, and for some reason it seems stable, so I can leave the init file set as /dev/ttyUSB1. (My K2 is on hardware RS232 port /dev/ttyS0 and my antenna controller on /dev/ttyUSB0). If the MiniRadioSolutions people had gone all out, they could have gotten a special id and written something that runs their Visual Basic program automatically, but then upgrading it would have been a constant pain for hams who want to change it or try out other versions. Still, not having to look for the COM port would have been nice, and that is mainly what the USB driver system in Windows tries to solve with its id system. The price we all pay, though, is a complete failure for generic devices such as RS232 converters. When I put an SD card from my camera into my Linux box, it notices it, finds that it has a Win32 DOS filesystem on it, finds the driver, and mounts it as a filesystem. Thw Gnome window system I run at home then notices the mounted filesystem, susses out the directory structure and guesses that is is from a camera (and not a USB memory stick for files or an MP3 player) and offers to start a photo edit/drag-and-drop tool. No manufacturer of camera or SD card was involved. (I suspect the Mac does the same thing, only in a more refined way and with prettier icons.) 73, Leigh/WA5ZNU On Mon, 7 May 2007 1:41 pm, James austin wrote: Windows loads USB drivers based on the vendor id and product id reported by the device. Are you implying that MacOS and Linux do it differently, by saying the driver used is based on the chip? 73, Jim So, getting USB to work depends on the following: 1. the chip(s) implementing the USB port in your computer; 2. the driver for the chip implementing the USB port in your computer; 3. the chip(s) implementing the serial-to-USB adaptor; 4. the driver provided with the serial-to-USB adaptor. If you are using a MacOS, Linux, or a flavor of UNIX you will find that there tend to be only a few generic drivers for this since the drivers are based on the chip(s) used. Windows requires a vendor- specific driver for each device. The latter means that even if you get the same hardware (serial-to-USB converter) from two different vendors (generic Taiwanese serial-to-USB adaptor), you need two different drivers for Windows but only one generic driver with MacOS, Linux, or *NIX. 73 de Brian, WB6RQN Brian Lloyd - brian HYPHEN wb6rqn AT lloyd DOT com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraftHelp: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] KUSB for K3
I see a KUSB option for the K3, Universal Serial Bus Adpatercan't seem to find it on the FaQ page. Does anyone know if it's an internal option, or an external adapter? I have a serial port-less computer and no luck finding adapters to give me a serial port. Thom www.baltimorehon.com/Home of the Baltimore Lexicon www.tlchost.net/hosting/ Web Hosting as low as 3.49/month ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] KUSB for K3
Hi Thom: I've seen nothing definitive on this but I'm pretty sure that this device is one that plugs the 9 pin end of the adapter into the 9 pin connector on the K3 and you use a USB cable between the adapter and your USB port on your computer. 73, Ken K3IU Thom LaCosta wrote: I see a KUSB option for the K3, Universal Serial Bus Adpatercan't seem to find it on the FaQ page. Does anyone know if it's an internal option, or an external adapter? I have a serial port-less computer and no luck finding adapters to give me a serial port. Thom www.baltimorehon.com/Home of the Baltimore Lexicon www.tlchost.net/hosting/ Web Hosting as low as 3.49/month ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] KUSB for K3
I found reference to this in FAQ under Computer Interfacing topic. 73, Ken K3IU Ken Wagner wrote: Hi Thom: I've seen nothing definitive on this but I'm pretty sure that this device is one that plugs the 9 pin end of the adapter into the 9 pin connector on the K3 and you use a USB cable between the adapter and your USB port on your computer. 73, Ken K3IU Thom LaCosta wrote: I see a KUSB option for the K3, Universal Serial Bus Adpatercan't seem to find it on the FaQ page. Does anyone know if it's an internal option, or an external adapter? I have a serial port-less computer and no luck finding adapters to give me a serial port. Thom www.baltimorehon.com/Home of the Baltimore Lexicon www.tlchost.net/hosting/ Web Hosting as low as 3.49/month ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] KUSB for K3
There are many Serial - USB devices on the general market. (I use a Keyspan unit on my Orion, and it works nicely with Linux.) So, I wonder why Elecraft needs to offer its own unique product. (Or it could be someone else's product rebranded?) At least their price is competitive. 73 Martin AA6E Ken Wagner wrote: Hi Thom: I've seen nothing definitive on this but I'm pretty sure that this device is one that plugs the 9 pin end of the adapter into the 9 pin connector on the K3 and you use a USB cable between the adapter and your USB port on your computer. 73, Ken K3IU Thom LaCosta wrote: I see a KUSB option for the K3, Universal Serial Bus Adpatercan't seem to find it on the FaQ page. Does anyone know if it's an internal option, or an external adapter? I have a serial port-less computer and no luck finding adapters to give me a serial port. Thom www.baltimorehon.com/Home of the Baltimore Lexicon www.tlchost.net/hosting/ Web Hosting as low as 3.49/month ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] KUSB for K3
Martin, Yes, there are a lot of USB adapters on the market at a wide variety of prices, but it seems not all are equal. Review the number of questions related to 'will adapter XXX work with YYY'. With the offering by Elecraft, there can be no doubt that it will work with the Elecraft K3. Will other adapters work? Maybe, but we *DO* know the answer for the Elecraft adapter - no guessing. 73, Don W3FPR Martin AA6E wrote: There are many Serial - USB devices on the general market. (I use a Keyspan unit on my Orion, and it works nicely with Linux.) So, I wonder why Elecraft needs to offer its own unique product. (Or it could be someone else's product rebranded?) At least their price is competitive. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] KUSB for K3
On Sun, 6 May 2007, Ken Wagner wrote: I found reference to this in FAQ under Computer Interfacing topic. Thanksit's the most obvious place to look, but I relied on the web site's search engine. Thom ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] KUSB for K3
On Sun, 6 May 2007, Martin AA6E wrote: There are many Serial - USB devices on the general market. (I use a Keyspan unit on my Orion, and it works nicely with Linux.) So, I wonder why Elecraft needs to offer its own unique product. (Or it could be someone else's product rebranded?) At least their price is competitive. I have a keyspan...it looks like it works on windows...sorta, kinda, but it doesn't. But, it could be a Dell hardware issue, not a wondows issue. Hope the Elecraft one works with my systemI'd hate to have to buy an old laptop simply to have a serial port (g). Thom www.baltimorehon.com/Home of the Baltimore Lexicon www.tlchost.net/hosting/ Web Hosting as low as 3.49/month ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] KUSB for K3
On Sun, 6 May 2007, Don Wilhelm wrote: Will other adapters work? Maybe, but we *DO* know the answer for the Elecraft adapter - no guessing. Since you do knowwhat operating systems were used to test the adapter? The converters get me connfusedseems like there could be hardware issues, firmware issues, OS issuesor some nasty combination thereof. Thom www.baltimorehon.com/Home of the Baltimore Lexicon www.tlchost.net/hosting/ Web Hosting as low as 3.49/month ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] KUSB for K3
I think Elecraft are making the correct decision by supplying a Serial=USB converter which is known to work. Being involved with the software side of the things it's problems with the Serial=USB which cause the most grief. Known hardware doesn't always work - even if it has Elecraft stamped on its breast. Other factors such as an inadequate USB port come into play, however this is something which is easy to test and document: Simon Brown, HB9DRV - Original Message - From: Thom LaCosta [EMAIL PROTECTED] There are many Serial - USB devices on the general market. (I use a Keyspan unit on my Orion, and it works nicely with Linux.) So, I wonder why Elecraft needs to offer its own unique product. (Or it could be someone else's product rebranded?) At least their price is competitive. I have a keyspan...it looks like it works on windows...sorta, kinda, but it doesn't. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] KUSB for K3
Don Wilhelm wrote, regarding USB to Serial Adapters: Yes, there are a lot of USB adapters on the market at a wide variety of prices, but it seems not all are equal. Review the number of questions related to 'will adapter XXX work with YYY'. With the offering by Elecraft, there can be no doubt that it will work with the Elecraft K3. Will other adapters work? Maybe, but we *DO* know the answer for the Elecraft adapter - no guessing. I have a Tripp-Lite U-209-000-R adapter which WORKS GREAT.. BUT... it does NOT want to be peroperly detected, and drivers auto-loaded, if it's plugged into the USB port when the PC is booted up! If it's left plugged in when the PCs booted, the OS (WinXP Pro in my case) wants to re-install the drivers EVERY TIME! If I UNplug the adapter, boot the PC, and THEN plug the adapter in, WinXP finds and installed it with no complaints. I'm posting this as a word of caution to those who might be considering a Tripp-Lite adapter. I'm not certain if this is a problem unique to WinXP or not. It seems to be a problem with regard to 'order of installation' of the device drivers, with the adapter drivers not being installed in time for the adapter to have been detected... OR with them being installed too early to have been of use. 73, Tom N0SS ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] KUSB for K3
Interestingly, this this of problem is created for Windows. There are a limited number of USB/RS232 converter chip types in the world, all supportable by a small number of drivers. Each seller, though, gets to set an id in the chiop, which tells the OS what driver to load. The RS232/serial bump-in-the-cord devices could all get by with the same driver for the same chip if this number weren't changed. So, why does this number exist? Partly yo allow manufacturers of hardware to make it look like there's something special about their devices by adding features in the driver, but mainly to accomodate automatic detection of devices that directly incorporate these chips and offer some other functionality (I.e. other than the generic converters). Devices such as cameras generally have their own protocols and don't use the generic serial chips, but there are indeed some devices out there that use this ID to make a useful driver load. The price we have to pay on Windows is getting a new driver for each one, and suffering from needlessly buggy copies of the code as Tom has reported. If the K3 had its own internal chip with its own ID, there would be an opportunity to have Windows auto-launch an application (Ham Radio Deluxe? N1MM Logger?) whenever it detected the special K3 ID. There isn't much advantage to this, and it would require, because of the way Windows works, a special driver. On Linux, the RS232 coverter generic drivers work fine for the USB-Serial devices, but you don't get the automatic application launch that you can get with Windows, although it is possible to configure it for some the special devices. The problems with them come mostly in the cases where they really are closer TTL instead of RS232 and the keying circuit depends on the negative swing, or the supply isn't stiff enough to meet the signalling device needs (both problems on Windows as well). Of course, Linux suffers as well from the need to have unique driver (or more likely application) support for devices that directly incorporate these chips and offer some functionality other than just serial conversion. 73, Leigh/WA5ZNU On Sun, 6 May 2007 8:51 am, Tom Hammond wrote: Don Wilhelm wrote, regarding USB to Serial If it's left plugged in when the PCs booted, the OS (WinXP Pro in my case) wants to re-install the drivers EVERY TIME! ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] KUSB for K3
Thom, I guess I should have said *WILL* know - I don't know the answer yet, but I have faith that the answer will be available. 73, Don W3FPR Thom LaCosta wrote: On Sun, 6 May 2007, Don Wilhelm wrote: Will other adapters work? Maybe, but we *DO* know the answer for the Elecraft adapter - no guessing. Since you do knowwhat operating systems were used to test the adapter? The converters get me connfusedseems like there could be hardware issues, firmware issues, OS issuesor some nasty combination thereof. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
