Re: [Elecraft] Mic Noise

2019-03-17 Thread Bill Johnson
By chance is TX Gate turned on and there is background noise?

73,
Bill
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To: Buck ; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Mic Noise

Buck,

It sounds like that noise is coming from whatever computer software application 
you are using.  You mentioned N1MM.
When you unplug the USB cable, whatever software you are using loses 
communications with the radio.
When you plug it back in, that program is not attempting to re-establish 
communications.

What applications do you have active on your computer?

I again suggest you get the microphone to work first - unplug everything from 
the K3 except the microphone, the power and the antenna connection.  There may 
be something unrelated to the microphone going awry, so eliminate everything 
except the microphone.  When that works, build things back up one at a time 
until you discover the culprit.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 3/16/2019 7:13 PM, Buck wrote:
> I've tried all the combination of mics and mic bias.  The noise 
> happens even with the mic gain turned all the way down and the rig in 
> TEST mode.  It happens when N1MM is not running.  It happens using the 
> internal DVR card.  It happens with the mic disconnected and using the 
> XMIT button on the front of the radio.
> -
> Here is a clue.  If I turn on the VOX and reduce the either the RF or 
> AF gain on the receiver, I start getting the noise about once every 
> half second.  It sounds like it starts with a "ping." Sounds like 
> something is polling the radio.
>
> If I disconnect the USB cable on the back of the radio, no noise. It 
> seemed to be properly seated.  Now, if I plug the USB cable back into 
> the radio, no noise.  Have I found the culprit?  A lose USB cable?
>

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Re: [Elecraft] Mic Noise

2019-03-17 Thread Buck
The mics work.  My problem was a burst of noise when the rig went into 
transmit.


It appears re-seating the USB cable in the back of the radio has cured 
the problem.  It did not appear to be lose.  And the noise would appear 
even if I was using the VOX or PTT switch or the internal DVR.  In other 
words, not using the USB to trigger the radio.


There's one to put in the books.  I am sure I won't be the only person 
to run into this and I still can't explain it.


k4ia, Buck
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Honor Roll  8B DXCC
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On 3/17/2019 12:22 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:

Buck,

It sounds like that noise is coming from whatever computer software 
application you are using.  You mentioned N1MM.
When you unplug the USB cable, whatever software you are using loses 
communications with the radio.
When you plug it back in, that program is not attempting to re-establish 
communications.


What applications do you have active on your computer?

I again suggest you get the microphone to work first - unplug everything 
from the K3 except the microphone, the power and the antenna 
connection.  There may be something unrelated to the microphone going 
awry, so eliminate everything except the microphone.  When that works, 
build things back up one at a time until you discover the culprit.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 3/16/2019 7:13 PM, Buck wrote:
I've tried all the combination of mics and mic bias.  The noise 
happens even with the mic gain turned all the way down and the rig in 
TEST mode.  It happens when N1MM is not running.  It happens using the 
internal DVR card.  It happens with the mic disconnected and using the 
XMIT button on the front of the radio.

-
Here is a clue.  If I turn on the VOX and reduce the either the RF or 
AF gain on the receiver, I start getting the noise about once every 
half second.  It sounds like it starts with a "ping." Sounds like 
something is polling the radio.


If I disconnect the USB cable on the back of the radio, no noise. It 
seemed to be properly seated.  Now, if I plug the USB cable back into 
the radio, no noise.  Have I found the culprit?  A lose USB cable?





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Re: [Elecraft] Mic Noise

2019-03-17 Thread Bob McGraw K4TAX
By chance is MIC + LIN set to the ON mode in the MENU?   Should be OFF 
for just microphone usage.


I agree with Don.  Disconnect everything except the power cables, 
antenna coax and microphone.


73

Bob, K4TAX

On 3/17/2019 11:22 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote:

Buck,

It sounds like that noise is coming from whatever computer software 
application you are using.  You mentioned N1MM.
When you unplug the USB cable, whatever software you are using loses 
communications with the radio.
When you plug it back in, that program is not attempting to 
re-establish communications.


What applications do you have active on your computer?

I again suggest you get the microphone to work first - unplug 
everything from the K3 except the microphone, the power and the 
antenna connection.  There may be something unrelated to the 
microphone going awry, so eliminate everything except the microphone.  
When that works, build things back up one at a time until you discover 
the culprit.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 3/16/2019 7:13 PM, Buck wrote:
I've tried all the combination of mics and mic bias.  The noise 
happens even with the mic gain turned all the way down and the rig in 
TEST mode.  It happens when N1MM is not running.  It happens using 
the internal DVR card.  It happens with the mic disconnected and 
using the XMIT button on the front of the radio.

-
Here is a clue.  If I turn on the VOX and reduce the either the RF or 
AF gain on the receiver, I start getting the noise about once every 
half second.  It sounds like it starts with a "ping." Sounds like 
something is polling the radio.


If I disconnect the USB cable on the back of the radio, no noise. It 
seemed to be properly seated.  Now, if I plug the USB cable back into 
the radio, no noise.  Have I found the culprit? A lose USB cable?




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Re: [Elecraft] Mic Noise

2019-03-17 Thread Don Wilhelm

Buck,

It sounds like that noise is coming from whatever computer software 
application you are using.  You mentioned N1MM.
When you unplug the USB cable, whatever software you are using loses 
communications with the radio.
When you plug it back in, that program is not attempting to re-establish 
communications.


What applications do you have active on your computer?

I again suggest you get the microphone to work first - unplug everything 
from the K3 except the microphone, the power and the antenna 
connection.  There may be something unrelated to the microphone going 
awry, so eliminate everything except the microphone.  When that works, 
build things back up one at a time until you discover the culprit.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 3/16/2019 7:13 PM, Buck wrote:
I've tried all the combination of mics and mic bias.  The noise 
happens even with the mic gain turned all the way down and the rig in 
TEST mode.  It happens when N1MM is not running.  It happens using the 
internal DVR card.  It happens with the mic disconnected and using the 
XMIT button on the front of the radio.

-
Here is a clue.  If I turn on the VOX and reduce the either the RF or 
AF gain on the receiver, I start getting the noise about once every 
half second.  It sounds like it starts with a "ping." Sounds like 
something is polling the radio.


If I disconnect the USB cable on the back of the radio, no noise. It 
seemed to be properly seated.  Now, if I plug the USB cable back into 
the radio, no noise.  Have I found the culprit?  A lose USB cable?




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Re: [Elecraft] Mic Noise

2019-03-16 Thread Jack Brindle via Elecraft
That could be. USB and computer connections are notorious for causing problems 
if they are not shielded or connected properly. By unplugging and replugging 
the USB cable you just may have seated it properly and fixed things. Play with 
the radio for a while, on the air, and let us know if it actually did solve 
your problem.

73!
Jack, W6FB


> On Mar 16, 2019, at 4:13 PM, Buck  wrote:
> 
> I've tried all the combination of mics and mic bias.  The noise happens even 
> with the mic gain turned all the way down and the rig in TEST mode.  It 
> happens when N1MM is not running.  It happens using the internal DVR card.  
> It happens with the mic disconnected and using the XMIT button on the front 
> of the radio.
> -
> Here is a clue.  If I turn on the VOX and reduce the either the RF or AF gain 
> on the receiver, I start getting the noise about once every half second.  It 
> sounds like it starts with a "ping."  Sounds like something is polling the 
> radio.
> 
> If I disconnect the USB cable on the back of the radio, no noise.  It seemed 
> to be properly seated.  Now, if I plug the USB cable back into the radio, no 
> noise.  Have I found the culprit?  A lose USB cable?
> 
> k4ia, Buck
> K3# 101
> Honor Roll  8B DXCC
> EasyWayHamBooks.com
> 
> On 3/16/2019 4:43 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
>> Buck,
>> The Heil Goldline mic is a dynamic type, last I heard it has an HC-5 
>> element.  It should have bias off.
>> The Elecraft MH4 is an electret type and must have bias set on - use "FP.L 
>> bias"
>> It may just be that you have too much mic gain - start with a mid-range 
>> setting.  The mic preamp can shut down if it receivers too much signal.
>> Make sure there is nothing plugged into the rear mic jack - although MIC SEL 
>> should allow you to switch from one to another.
>> If you are not successful, do you have one of the computer type microphones? 
>>  If so, plug it into the rear mic jack, set MIC SEL to "RP.L bias" and see 
>> if you get any audio.
>> Have you made any changes to the Front Panel assembly where you removed the 
>> DSP board?  If so, there is one connector between the Front Panel board and 
>> DSP board that if not mated properly will cause the front panel audio to 
>> fail.
>> The TX DLY should have nothing to do with it.  The KPA500 becomes active 
>> with very little delay.
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>> On 3/16/2019 4:24 PM, Buck wrote:
>>> Thanks. I was using a Heil Goldline and also tried an Elecraft MH4 plugged 
>>> in the front.  I get the same noise on FP.L and FP.H  Bias is off.  And, I 
>>> still get the noise even when in TEST mode, so there is no RF.
>>> 
>>> I had the Tx Dly on the K3S set to 8.  I set it to 15 and the problem went 
>>> away.  Was I hitting the amp too soon?  Amp is a KPA500.
>>> 
>>> Now the problem is back, even with the Tx Dly set to 20.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> k4ia, Buck
>>> K3# 101
>>> Honor Roll  8B DXCC
>>> EasyWayHamBooks.com
>>> 
>>> On 3/16/2019 3:41 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
 Buck,
 
 Which transceiver and which microphone?
 If the K3, are you using the front panel mic jack or the jack in the back?
 How do you have MIC SEL set?
 
 73,
 Don W3FPR
 
 On 3/16/2019 2:57 PM, Buck wrote:
> I never use a microphone so here I am today trying to run voice in the Va 
> QSO party.
> 
> When I key the mic, I get a burst of noise that lasts maybe a half 
> second.  It does this even if I have the rig in "test" mode ie. no 
> transmit.  So, I don't think it is RF.
> 
>>> 
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Re: [Elecraft] Mic Noise

2019-03-16 Thread Don Wilhelm

Buck,

I would suggest that you not worry about the noise burst until you can 
get a good response out of the mic.
If you do not have a computer mic handy, borrow one and plug it into the 
rear panel mic jack.  See if you can obtain a response on the ALC meter 
with that microphone.  All computer type microphones need bias.  Buy one 
if you must - they can be had for just a few dollars (less than what the 
frustration is costing you).


If the rear mic jack works, then your problem may be the DSP board to 
Front Panel connector mating that I mentioned.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 3/16/2019 7:13 PM, Buck wrote:
I've tried all the combination of mics and mic bias.  The noise 
happens even with the mic gain turned all the way down and the rig in 
TEST mode.  It happens when N1MM is not running.  It happens using the 
internal DVR card.  It happens with the mic disconnected and using the 
XMIT button on the front of the radio.

-
Here is a clue.  If I turn on the VOX and reduce the either the RF or 
AF gain on the receiver, I start getting the noise about once every 
half second.  It sounds like it starts with a "ping." Sounds like 
something is polling the radio.


If I disconnect the USB cable on the back of the radio, no noise. It 
seemed to be properly seated.  Now, if I plug the USB cable back into 
the radio, no noise.  Have I found the culprit?  A lose USB cable?




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Re: [Elecraft] Mic Noise

2019-03-16 Thread Buck
I've tried all the combination of mics and mic bias.  The noise happens 
even with the mic gain turned all the way down and the rig in TEST mode. 
 It happens when N1MM is not running.  It happens using the internal 
DVR card.  It happens with the mic disconnected and using the XMIT 
button on the front of the radio.

-
Here is a clue.  If I turn on the VOX and reduce the either the RF or AF 
gain on the receiver, I start getting the noise about once every half 
second.  It sounds like it starts with a "ping."  Sounds like something 
is polling the radio.


If I disconnect the USB cable on the back of the radio, no noise.  It 
seemed to be properly seated.  Now, if I plug the USB cable back into 
the radio, no noise.  Have I found the culprit?  A lose USB cable?


k4ia, Buck
K3# 101
Honor Roll  8B DXCC
EasyWayHamBooks.com

On 3/16/2019 4:43 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:

Buck,

The Heil Goldline mic is a dynamic type, last I heard it has an HC-5 
element.  It should have bias off.
The Elecraft MH4 is an electret type and must have bias set on - use 
"FP.L bias"


It may just be that you have too much mic gain - start with a mid-range 
setting.  The mic preamp can shut down if it receivers too much signal.


Make sure there is nothing plugged into the rear mic jack - although MIC 
SEL should allow you to switch from one to another.


If you are not successful, do you have one of the computer type 
microphones?  If so, plug it into the rear mic jack, set MIC SEL to 
"RP.L bias" and see if you get any audio.


Have you made any changes to the Front Panel assembly where you removed 
the DSP board?  If so, there is one connector between the Front Panel 
board and DSP board that if not mated properly will cause the front 
panel audio to fail.


The TX DLY should have nothing to do with it.  The KPA500 becomes active 
with very little delay.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 3/16/2019 4:24 PM, Buck wrote:
Thanks. I was using a Heil Goldline and also tried an Elecraft MH4 
plugged in the front.  I get the same noise on FP.L and FP.H  Bias is 
off.  And, I still get the noise even when in TEST mode, so there is 
no RF.


I had the Tx Dly on the K3S set to 8.  I set it to 15 and the problem 
went away.  Was I hitting the amp too soon?  Amp is a KPA500.


Now the problem is back, even with the Tx Dly set to 20.


k4ia, Buck
K3# 101
Honor Roll  8B DXCC
EasyWayHamBooks.com

On 3/16/2019 3:41 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:

Buck,

Which transceiver and which microphone?
If the K3, are you using the front panel mic jack or the jack in the 
back?

How do you have MIC SEL set?

73,
Don W3FPR

On 3/16/2019 2:57 PM, Buck wrote:
I never use a microphone so here I am today trying to run voice in 
the Va QSO party.


When I key the mic, I get a burst of noise that lasts maybe a half 
second.  It does this even if I have the rig in "test" mode ie. no 
transmit.  So, I don't think it is RF.







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Re: [Elecraft] Mic Noise

2019-03-16 Thread Nr4c
I’ve had CM500 (bias) plunged into rear mic jack and various Heil dynamic mics 
(no bias) plunged into front panel ever since I’ve owned my K3 and K3S with no 
issue. 

This guy has some other issue. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Mar 16, 2019, at 5:55 PM, Bill Frantz  wrote:
> 
> I've kept my MH2 plugged into the front panel and the CM500 plugged into the 
> back for years, and used the MIC SEL to switch between them. It has always 
> worked well.
> 
> Note that both mics require bias. Heil sells both electret and dynamic 
> elements, so refer to the documentation, or web site, or people who have the 
> same mic element working.
> 
> 73 Bill AE^JV
> 
>> On 3/16/19 at 1:43 PM, donw...@embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) wrote:
>> 
>> Make sure there is nothing plugged into the rear mic jack - although MIC SEL 
>> should allow you to switch from one to another.
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] Mic Noise

2019-03-16 Thread Bill Frantz
I've kept my MH2 plugged into the front panel and the CM500 
plugged into the back for years, and used the MIC SEL to switch 
between them. It has always worked well.


Note that both mics require bias. Heil sells both electret and 
dynamic elements, so refer to the documentation, or web site, or 
people who have the same mic element working.


73 Bill AE^JV

On 3/16/19 at 1:43 PM, donw...@embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) wrote:

Make sure there is nothing plugged into the rear mic jack - 
although MIC SEL should allow you to switch from one to another.


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Re: [Elecraft] Mic Noise

2019-03-16 Thread Don Wilhelm

Buck,

The Heil Goldline mic is a dynamic type, last I heard it has an HC-5 
element.  It should have bias off.
The Elecraft MH4 is an electret type and must have bias set on - use 
"FP.L bias"


It may just be that you have too much mic gain - start with a mid-range 
setting.  The mic preamp can shut down if it receivers too much signal.


Make sure there is nothing plugged into the rear mic jack - although MIC 
SEL should allow you to switch from one to another.


If you are not successful, do you have one of the computer type 
microphones?  If so, plug it into the rear mic jack, set MIC SEL to 
"RP.L bias" and see if you get any audio.


Have you made any changes to the Front Panel assembly where you removed 
the DSP board?  If so, there is one connector between the Front Panel 
board and DSP board that if not mated properly will cause the front 
panel audio to fail.


The TX DLY should have nothing to do with it.  The KPA500 becomes active 
with very little delay.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 3/16/2019 4:24 PM, Buck wrote:
Thanks. I was using a Heil Goldline and also tried an Elecraft MH4 
plugged in the front.  I get the same noise on FP.L and FP.H  Bias is 
off.  And, I still get the noise even when in TEST mode, so there is 
no RF.


I had the Tx Dly on the K3S set to 8.  I set it to 15 and the problem 
went away.  Was I hitting the amp too soon?  Amp is a KPA500.


Now the problem is back, even with the Tx Dly set to 20.


k4ia, Buck
K3# 101
Honor Roll  8B DXCC
EasyWayHamBooks.com

On 3/16/2019 3:41 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:

Buck,

Which transceiver and which microphone?
If the K3, are you using the front panel mic jack or the jack in the 
back?

How do you have MIC SEL set?

73,
Don W3FPR

On 3/16/2019 2:57 PM, Buck wrote:
I never use a microphone so here I am today trying to run voice in 
the Va QSO party.


When I key the mic, I get a burst of noise that lasts maybe a half 
second.  It does this even if I have the rig in "test" mode ie. no 
transmit.  So, I don't think it is RF.






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Re: [Elecraft] Mic Noise

2019-03-16 Thread Grant Youngman
Not sure about the Heil, but the MH4 requires Bias to be ON.


Grant NQ5T
K3 #2091 KX3 #8342

> On Mar 16, 2019, at 4:24 PM, Buck  wrote:
> 
> Thanks.  I was using a Heil Goldline and also tried an Elecraft MH4 plugged 
> in the front.  I get the same noise on FP.L and FP.H  Bias is off.  And, I 
> still get the noise even when in TEST mode, so there is no RF.
> 
> I had the Tx Dly on the K3S set to 8.  I set it to 15 and the problem went 
> away.  Was I hitting the amp too soon?  Amp is a KPA500.
> 
> Now the problem is back, even with the Tx Dly set to 20.
> 
> 

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Re: [Elecraft] Mic Noise

2019-03-16 Thread Buck
Thanks.  I was using a Heil Goldline and also tried an Elecraft MH4 
plugged in the front.  I get the same noise on FP.L and FP.H  Bias is 
off.  And, I still get the noise even when in TEST mode, so there is no 
RF.


I had the Tx Dly on the K3S set to 8.  I set it to 15 and the problem 
went away.  Was I hitting the amp too soon?  Amp is a KPA500.


Now the problem is back, even with the Tx Dly set to 20.


k4ia, Buck
K3# 101
Honor Roll  8B DXCC
EasyWayHamBooks.com

On 3/16/2019 3:41 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:

Buck,

Which transceiver and which microphone?
If the K3, are you using the front panel mic jack or the jack in the back?
How do you have MIC SEL set?

73,
Don W3FPR

On 3/16/2019 2:57 PM, Buck wrote:
I never use a microphone so here I am today trying to run voice in the 
Va QSO party.


When I key the mic, I get a burst of noise that lasts maybe a half 
second.  It does this even if I have the rig in "test" mode ie. no 
transmit.  So, I don't think it is RF.



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Re: [Elecraft] Mic Noise

2019-03-16 Thread Bob McGraw K4TAX
Is this a dynamic mike with the bias turned on?   If so, turn the bias 
off.   I trust this is a mike connected to the MIC input on the front of 
the radio.  If you are using the front mike input and something is 
connected to the rear MIC input, unplug what ever is connected to the 
rear input.


Good luck in the VA QSO party.   There's lots of activity.

73

Bob, K4TAX


On 3/16/2019 1:57 PM, Buck wrote:
I never use a microphone so here I am today trying to run voice in the 
Va QSO party.


When I key the mic, I get a burst of noise that lasts maybe a half 
second.  It does this even if I have the rig in "test" mode ie. no 
transmit.  So, I don't think it is RF.


I have tried adjusting the mic gain and changing mics - no luck. It 
does the same thing using VOX except the noise cycles about every half 
second.


Anyone have an idea?


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Re: [Elecraft] Mic Noise

2019-03-16 Thread Don Wilhelm

Buck,

Which transceiver and which microphone?
If the K3, are you using the front panel mic jack or the jack in the back?
How do you have MIC SEL set?

73,
Don W3FPR

On 3/16/2019 2:57 PM, Buck wrote:
I never use a microphone so here I am today trying to run voice in the 
Va QSO party.


When I key the mic, I get a burst of noise that lasts maybe a half 
second.  It does this even if I have the rig in "test" mode ie. no 
transmit.  So, I don't think it is RF.



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[Elecraft] Mic Noise

2019-03-16 Thread Buck
I never use a microphone so here I am today trying to run voice in the 
Va QSO party.


When I key the mic, I get a burst of noise that lasts maybe a half 
second.  It does this even if I have the rig in "test" mode ie. no 
transmit.  So, I don't think it is RF.


I have tried adjusting the mic gain and changing mics - no luck.  It 
does the same thing using VOX except the noise cycles about every half 
second.


Anyone have an idea?
--
k4ia, Buck
K3# 101
Honor Roll  8B DXCC
EasyWayHamBooks.com
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