Re: [Elecraft] OT Powerline Wifi extenders
The Ubiquity product uses a little power supply which includes the injector. The connections are AC line, and ethernet in/out. So to replace the power supply you’ve got a bit more of a project. Buy them from amazon. Test for noise. Return if necessary and get something else! Much easier than re-engineering a bad design. Josh Sent from my mobile device > On Oct 22, 2019, at 1:09 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > >> On 10/22/2019 12:56 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: >> The typical source of noise with PoE is from the switching supply - >> either connected to a power injector or in some terminal device >> (e.g. Router/Modem) with the Ethernet cable acting as the antenna. >> Common mode chokes on the Ethernet cable as close to the device as >> possible should help but experimentation (and replacing the noisy >> power supply) will probably be necessary. > > If that is the ONLY source, it might be better to replace it with a linear > supply of suitable current rating. I wouldn't be certain that it is the only > source -- perhaps there's some power conversion happening at the unit (that > is, up on the pole), in which case a choke there would also be required. > > But that doesn't answer the key question I asked Bill -- is the system noisy > or not. > > 73, Jim K9YC > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] OT Powerline Wifi extenders
I ran 50’ CAT5 with POE to the propane tank where the ubiquity link radio was hung. That’s maybe 80-90’ from my 6m EME array and heard nothing. The CAT5 was due north so not a direction the array was ever pointed and I didn’t go looking for trouble! But I’m pretty quiet, on a good day with some elevation radio is at S0 with preamp on. No idea how consistent their power adapters are or if they’ve changed suppliers. 73 Josh W6XU Sent from my mobile device > On Oct 22, 2019, at 12:23 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > > On 10/22/2019 11:57 AM, Bill Steffey wrote: > Hi Bill, > > I see that these units use Poe for power. I've experienced pretty nasty noise > with products using this -- it radiates common mode from the Ethernet wiring. > Have you experienced any issues? Did you do anything to suppress noise? How > quiet is your radio environment? > > 73, Jim K9YC > > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] OT Powerline Wifi extenders
I had great luck with a pair of ubiquity bullets. They were 5.4GHz with built in directional antennas. Great range and speed. My neighbor’s DSL was out a few days so I ziptied one to a propane tank pointing at his house about 150’ away. Not much obstruction though. He said it was much faster than his DSL! Also had great success with an Engenius AP. It had 2 external antenna ports for diversity. I used the supplied vertical on one to connect near it, and a patch antenna pointed out a window to another building. Nice thing about Engenius is this ran fairly high power, 1W radio worked extremely well with the directional antenna. 73, Josh W6XU Sent from my mobile device > On Oct 22, 2019, at 11:57 AM, Bill Steffey wrote: > > to extend your connection do look at Ubiquiti products They are available > worldwide. > > > I currently employ over 20 devices over a three mile area to get Ethernet ( > broadband) to my remote location. > > Your point to point should work with 2 devices for under 100$ each in the > US... > > Ubiquiti LiteBeam AC Gen2 LBE-5AC-Gen2 IEEE 802.11ac 450 Mbit/s Wireless > BRIDGE > > AND THESE ARE VERY FAST. > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] OT Powerline Wifi extenders
some of the ubiquiti poe supplies are noisy... some not. Since I have 5 poe access points pointing in different directions, i have two third party power hubs one a 24vdc one a 48 vdc ... both carry CE markings as does the last Ubiquiti POE ps I used. I do remember back a while I did have ferrites on both sides of one early switchers. Also my HF antennas are at at least 50 feet away , with the tower 140 feet out. No broadband available for about three miles away. So much for RURAL BROADBAND. having to deal with a bit of rfi supression is a small price to pay for having broadband. On 10/22/2019 4:09 PM, Jim Brown wrote: On 10/22/2019 12:56 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: The typical source of noise with PoE is from the switching supply - either connected to a power injector or in some terminal device (e.g. Router/Modem) with the Ethernet cable acting as the antenna. Common mode chokes on the Ethernet cable as close to the device as possible should help but experimentation (and replacing the noisy power supply) will probably be necessary. If that is the ONLY source, it might be better to replace it with a linear supply of suitable current rating. I wouldn't be certain that it is the only source -- perhaps there's some power conversion happening at the unit (that is, up on the pole), in which case a choke there would also be required. But that doesn't answer the key question I asked Bill -- is the system noisy or not. 73, Jim K9YC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to n...@arrl.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] OT Powerline Wifi extenders
On 10/22/2019 12:56 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: The typical source of noise with PoE is from the switching supply - either connected to a power injector or in some terminal device (e.g. Router/Modem) with the Ethernet cable acting as the antenna. Common mode chokes on the Ethernet cable as close to the device as possible should help but experimentation (and replacing the noisy power supply) will probably be necessary. If that is the ONLY source, it might be better to replace it with a linear supply of suitable current rating. I wouldn't be certain that it is the only source -- perhaps there's some power conversion happening at the unit (that is, up on the pole), in which case a choke there would also be required. But that doesn't answer the key question I asked Bill -- is the system noisy or not. 73, Jim K9YC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] OT Powerline Wifi extenders
On 2019-10-22 3:23 PM, Jim Brown wrote: I see that these units use Poe for power. I've experienced pretty nasty noise with products using this -- it radiates common mode from the Ethernet wiring. The typical source of noise with PoE is from the switching supply - either connected to a power injector or in some terminal device (e.g. Router/Modem) with the Ethernet cable acting as the antenna. Common mode chokes on the Ethernet cable as close to the device as possible should help but experimentation (and replacing the noisy power supply) will probably be necessary. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2019-10-22 3:23 PM, Jim Brown wrote: On 10/22/2019 11:57 AM, Bill Steffey wrote: Hi Bill, I see that these units use Poe for power. I've experienced pretty nasty noise with products using this -- it radiates common mode from the Ethernet wiring. Have you experienced any issues? Did you do anything to suppress noise? How quiet is your radio environment? 73, Jim K9YC to extend your connection do look at Ubiquiti products They are available worldwide. I currently employ over 20 devices over a three mile area to get Ethernet ( broadband) to my remote location. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to li...@subich.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] OT Powerline Wifi extenders
On 10/22/2019 11:57 AM, Bill Steffey wrote: Hi Bill, I see that these units use Poe for power. I've experienced pretty nasty noise with products using this -- it radiates common mode from the Ethernet wiring. Have you experienced any issues? Did you do anything to suppress noise? How quiet is your radio environment? 73, Jim K9YC to extend your connection do look at Ubiquiti products They are available worldwide. I currently employ over 20 devices over a three mile area to get Ethernet ( broadband) to my remote location. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] OT Powerline Wifi extenders
to extend your connection do look at Ubiquiti products They are available worldwide. I currently employ over 20 devices over a three mile area to get Ethernet ( broadband) to my remote location. Your point to point should work with 2 devices for under 100$ each in the US... Ubiquiti LiteBeam AC Gen2 LBE-5AC-Gen2 IEEE 802.11ac 450 Mbit/s Wireless BRIDGE AND THESE ARE VERY FAST. BILL On 10/22/2019 2:15 PM, Jim Brown wrote: On 10/21/2019 9:13 PM, Andy Wood wrote: I have been setting up my new shack at our remote property. We recently had a fixed wireless internet connection installed at the house but it was too far for the wifi signal to reach the shack (~200ft). Remember that the 2.4 GHz band is UHF radio, and has greater range that the higher WiFi bands. Some WiFi routers are much better than others. It's worth studying the reviews online. Antenna location matters. So does mounting the unit so that it goes through windows rather than walls, and with line of sight to remote devices. Range can also be extended by using a WiFi router that allows for an external gain antenna. I have in my stash a couple of vertical antennas that provide about 10 dB gain in the horizontal plane. 73, Jim K9YC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to n...@arrl.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] OT Powerline Wifi extenders
On 10/21/2019 9:13 PM, Andy Wood wrote: I have been setting up my new shack at our remote property. We recently had a fixed wireless internet connection installed at the house but it was too far for the wifi signal to reach the shack (~200ft). Remember that the 2.4 GHz band is UHF radio, and has greater range that the higher WiFi bands. Some WiFi routers are much better than others. It's worth studying the reviews online. Antenna location matters. So does mounting the unit so that it goes through windows rather than walls, and with line of sight to remote devices. Range can also be extended by using a WiFi router that allows for an external gain antenna. I have in my stash a couple of vertical antennas that provide about 10 dB gain in the horizontal plane. 73, Jim K9YC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] OT Powerline Wifi extenders
Hi Tim, I have been setting up my new shack at our remote property. We recently had a fixed wireless internet connection installed at the house but it was too far for the wifi signal to reach the shack (~200ft). I purchased a TP-Link 2-Port Gigabit AV2000 Passthrough Powerline Starter Kit. So far it is working great with no detectable interference, although at this time I have only tested on 20 thru 160m. The rural location is very quiet so I am pretty sure I would know if there was anything nasty being generated. BTW - we have three phase power to the house and to the shack. I have tried the shack end unit on all three phases (whilst leaving the house unit on the same outlet) and do not notice any change in the internet speed. Andy VK4KY -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] OT Powerline Wifi extenders
I've been using the TrendNet TPL-40x series of powerline wireless adapters for a number of years to get my radio computers (upstairs) on the home network and they work just fine. They're not extremely fast, but they're certainly fast enough to handle telnet spots, programmed file backups, and manual file transfers over the network. When there is activity on the powerline network, I can sometimes see a slight rise in the noise floor on some bands on my P3. Considering that the antennas are all very close to the house and that the SteppIR is something like 12 feet directly above the station, this isn't too bad. I keep most of the routine activity off the powerline path by using a TPL-430 Access Point device at the end of the house farthest from the antennas and connecting the computers via a local Wi-Fi net it creates. The master internet connection comes via the AP but intra-station things like the GHE control all run over the local Wi-Fi link. Works great for me. 73... Randy, W8FN On 10/20/2019 7:02 PM, a45wg wrote: Fellow Elecrafters, I am trying to extend the wifi based internet coverage in my property. Alas it has very thick concrete walls with lots of re-bar in them, which is good for the odd earthquake - but not so much for wifi. I am trying to avoid at all costs of drilling holes in the walls and using ethernet/Fibre/coax etc... With the effect that I havebeen looking at wifi range extending. I am familiar (and not that impressed with Wifi extenders) but I have been looking at Powerline Extenders - which looks like a clever solution - but one which sound like it should have a QRM-Health warning to all Hams written all over it. So does anyone use Powerline Wifi extenders ? If so - any issues ... Any models you would recommend (or suggest to avoid) If you would like to read more on this technology the following link should get you started ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HomePlug With this example from TP as to how they can be used https://www.tp-link.com/us/home-networking/powerline/tl-pa9020-kit/ Many thanks Tim __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] OT Powerline Wifi extenders
On 10/21/2019 11:02 AM, Dave AD6A wrote: > I worked on the Home Power standard from its inception. I Was able > to make sure that none of the ham bands were used at all. Thus > HomePower (or Powerline as it gets called) should be the perfect > solution to your problem. > Memories of the old (circa mid-1990s) plug-in telephone line extenders that we used with dial-up modems where no tel-line was available. Some used to work in the 80-meter band. I thought that those devices were obsolete by now. 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 >From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] OT Powerline Wifi extenders
Hi Tim, I worked on the Home Power standard from its inception. I Was able to make sure that none of the ham bands were used at all. Thus HomePower (or Powerline as it gets called) should be the perfect solution to your problem. Cheers, Dave Fifield AD6A Sent from my iPhone XS (Max) > On Oct 20, 2019, at 5:04 PM, a45wg wrote: > Fellow Elecrafters, I am trying to extend the wifi based internet coverage in my property. Alas it has very thick concrete walls with lots of re-bar in them, which is good for the odd earthquake - but not so much for wifi. I am trying to avoid at all costs of drilling holes in the walls and using ethernet/Fibre/coax etc... With the effect that I havebeen looking at wifi range extending. I am familiar (and not that impressed with Wifi extenders) but I have been looking at Powerline Extenders - which looks like a clever solution - but one which sound like it should have a QRM-Health warning to all Hams written all over it. So does anyone use Powerline Wifi extenders ? If so - any issues ... Any models you would recommend (or suggest to avoid) If you would like to read more on this technology the following link should get you started ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HomePlug With this example from TP as to how they can be used https://www.tp-link.com/us/home-networking/powerline/tl-pa9020-kit/ Many thanks Tim __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to d...@ad6a.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] OT Powerline Wifi extenders
We're mixing what the power companies tried to do sending IP over the existing power lines to homes, and what the OP is talking about where you plug a box into an outlet in one room, plug a box into an outlet in another room and it all happens inside the house. What he wants is room-to-room in his home, not 50 miles down the power poles. Buy the adapters from a reputable source with a good return policy. They do work, but they very well could raise the RF noise floor. 73 -- Lynn On 10/20/2019 5:36 PM, Ian Kahn wrote: Tim, Glad to help! Remember this was several years ago. Maybe things have improved. Do your homework before coming to a conclusion. I just remember all the hub-bub from a few years ago, when Internet-over-power line first came up. 73 de, Ian, NV4C On Sun, Oct 20, 2019, 8:32 PM T Seed wrote: Ian that’s exactly what I feared/expected … Thanks for the confirmation Tim On 21 Oct 2019, at 08:27, Ian Kahn wrote: I advise using caution with any Internet-over-power line solutions. Several years ago there were companies that tried implementing Internet-over-power line solutions, especially in Texas. Hams fought them tooth and nail (and won) because these solutions caused so much RFI they left ham radio useless. Just my two cents' worth. Good luck finding a solution to your challenge. 73 de, Ian, NV4C On Sun, Oct 20, 2019, 8:04 PM a45wg wrote: Fellow Elecrafters, I am trying to extend the wifi based internet coverage in my property. Alas it has very thick concrete walls with lots of re-bar in them, which is good for the odd earthquake - but not so much for wifi. I am trying to avoid at all costs of drilling holes in the walls and using ethernet/Fibre/coax etc... With the effect that I havebeen looking at wifi range extending. I am familiar (and not that impressed with Wifi extenders) but I have been looking at Powerline Extenders - which looks like a clever solution - but one which sound like it should have a QRM-Health warning to all Hams written all over it. So does anyone use Powerline Wifi extenders ? If so - any issues ... Any models you would recommend (or suggest to avoid) If you would like to read more on this technology the following link should get you started ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HomePlug With this example from TP as to how they can be used https://www.tp-link.com/us/home-networking/powerline/tl-pa9020-kit/ Many thanks Tim __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to nv4c@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to a4...@sy-edm.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to kx...@coldrockshotbrooms.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] OT Powerline Wifi extenders
I used them briefly a few years ago for similar reasons, mainly old solid walls. As Rick said they were slow! The other big thing I found (bear in mind it was few years ago) was the fact that they only worked satisfactorily if on the same circuit. i.e. if the signal went through the consumer unit the RCCBs attenuated it. I stopped using the adapters and went for a wired solution using WAPs. There are some manufacturers that make some WAPS with higher power output which may go through the walls OK. Another solution I looked at was TP-Link devices that have the directional antennas and fit them in the roof spaces pointing downwards through the timber ceilings etc. 73 Andrew G8BYB __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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I have a similar situation. I have a pair of powerline extenders, and I was unable to detect QRM from them on 40-10m. My antenna is not that far from the building, either. But from time to time, I lose my connection and have to disconnect and reconnect to get it back. Sometimes it can be quite annoying! It does not seem to happen only when I transmit, so I don't think it is picking up my signal. They are Zyxels. 73, Victor, 4X6GP Rehovot, Israel Formerly K2VCO CWops no. 5 http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ On 21-Oct-2019 02:02, a45wg wrote: Fellow Elecrafters, I am trying to extend the wifi based internet coverage in my property. Alas it has very thick concrete walls with lots of re-bar in them, which is good for the odd earthquake - but not so much for wifi. I am trying to avoid at all costs of drilling holes in the walls and using ethernet/Fibre/coax etc... With the effect that I havebeen looking at wifi range extending. I am familiar (and not that impressed with Wifi extenders) but I have been looking at Powerline Extenders - which looks like a clever solution - but one which sound like it should have a QRM-Health warning to all Hams written all over it. So does anyone use Powerline Wifi extenders ? If so - any issues ... Any models you would recommend (or suggest to avoid) If you would like to read more on this technology the following link should get you started ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HomePlug With this example from TP as to how they can be used https://www.tp-link.com/us/home-networking/powerline/tl-pa9020-kit/ Many thanks Tim __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] OT Powerline Wifi extenders
Look at the data rates too, the last time I looked, it ... was ... vry slow Then remember that your signal will be impacting the power lines to some extent. I use gain antennas where I can, not further than 50' away, which works through extenders (repeaters). You might want to look at mesh networking ($$$) as an option. I run live video through my WiFi repeaters and if you're careful how you set them up (listen only on 5 gHz, transmit only on 2.4 gHz to the main router; no SSID broadcast, etc) you can optimize bandwidth, IF the device(s) can talk on 5 gHz or plug into the extender directly. I have 'Hardy board' siding, partly concrete; high loss. Rick NHC On 10/20/2019 5:36 PM, Ian Kahn wrote: Tim, Glad to help! Remember this was several years ago. Maybe things have improved. Do your homework before coming to a conclusion. I just remember all the hub-bub from a few years ago, when Internet-over-power line first came up. 73 de, Ian, NV4C On Sun, Oct 20, 2019, 8:32 PM T Seed wrote: Ian that’s exactly what I feared/expected … Thanks for the confirmation Tim On 21 Oct 2019, at 08:27, Ian Kahn wrote: I advise using caution with any Internet-over-power line solutions. Several years ago there were companies that tried implementing Internet-over-power line solutions, especially in Texas. Hams fought them tooth and nail (and won) because these solutions caused so much RFI they left ham radio useless. Just my two cents' worth. Good luck finding a solution to your challenge. 73 de, Ian, NV4C On Sun, Oct 20, 2019, 8:04 PM a45wg wrote: Fellow Elecrafters, I am trying to extend the wifi based internet coverage in my property. Alas it has very thick concrete walls with lots of re-bar in them, which is good for the odd earthquake - but not so much for wifi. I am trying to avoid at all costs of drilling holes in the walls and using ethernet/Fibre/coax etc... With the effect that I havebeen looking at wifi range extending. I am familiar (and not that impressed with Wifi extenders) but I have been looking at Powerline Extenders - which looks like a clever solution - but one which sound like it should have a QRM-Health warning to all Hams written all over it. So does anyone use Powerline Wifi extenders ? If so - any issues ... Any models you would recommend (or suggest to avoid) If you would like to read more on this technology the following link should get you started ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HomePlug With this example from TP as to how they can be used https://www.tp-link.com/us/home-networking/powerline/tl-pa9020-kit/ Many thanks Tim __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to nv4c@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to a4...@sy-edm.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to wa6...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] OT Powerline Wifi extenders
Tim, Glad to help! Remember this was several years ago. Maybe things have improved. Do your homework before coming to a conclusion. I just remember all the hub-bub from a few years ago, when Internet-over-power line first came up. 73 de, Ian, NV4C On Sun, Oct 20, 2019, 8:32 PM T Seed wrote: > Ian > that’s exactly what I feared/expected … Thanks for the confirmation > > Tim > > On 21 Oct 2019, at 08:27, Ian Kahn wrote: > > I advise using caution with any Internet-over-power line solutions. Several > years ago there were companies that tried implementing Internet-over-power > line solutions, especially in Texas. Hams fought them tooth and nail (and > won) because these solutions caused so much RFI they left ham radio > useless. > > Just my two cents' worth. Good luck finding a solution to your challenge. > > 73 de, > > Ian, NV4C > > On Sun, Oct 20, 2019, 8:04 PM a45wg wrote: > > Fellow Elecrafters, >I am trying to extend the > wifi based internet coverage in my property. Alas it has very thick > concrete walls with lots of re-bar in them, which is good for the odd > earthquake - but not so much for wifi. > >I am trying to avoid at all costs of drilling holes in the walls > and using ethernet/Fibre/coax etc... With the effect that I havebeen > looking at wifi range extending. > >I am familiar (and not that impressed with Wifi extenders) but I > have been looking at Powerline Extenders - which looks like a clever > solution - but one which sound like it should have a QRM-Health warning to > all Hams written all over it. > >So does anyone use Powerline Wifi extenders ? >If so - any issues ... >Any models you would recommend (or suggest to avoid) > > If you would like to read more on this technology the following link > should get you started ... > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HomePlug > > With this example from TP as to how they can be used > > https://www.tp-link.com/us/home-networking/powerline/tl-pa9020-kit/ > > Many thanks > >Tim > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nv4c@gmail.com > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to a4...@sy-edm.com > > > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] OT Powerline Wifi extenders
I advise using caution with any Internet-over-power line solutions. Several years ago there were companies that tried implementing Internet-over-power line solutions, especially in Texas. Hams fought them tooth and nail (and won) because these solutions caused so much RFI they left ham radio useless. Just my two cents' worth. Good luck finding a solution to your challenge. 73 de, Ian, NV4C On Sun, Oct 20, 2019, 8:04 PM a45wg wrote: > Fellow Elecrafters, > I am trying to extend the > wifi based internet coverage in my property. Alas it has very thick > concrete walls with lots of re-bar in them, which is good for the odd > earthquake - but not so much for wifi. > > I am trying to avoid at all costs of drilling holes in the walls > and using ethernet/Fibre/coax etc... With the effect that I havebeen > looking at wifi range extending. > > I am familiar (and not that impressed with Wifi extenders) but I > have been looking at Powerline Extenders - which looks like a clever > solution - but one which sound like it should have a QRM-Health warning to > all Hams written all over it. > > So does anyone use Powerline Wifi extenders ? > If so - any issues ... > Any models you would recommend (or suggest to avoid) > > If you would like to read more on this technology the following link > should get you started ... > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HomePlug > > With this example from TP as to how they can be used > > https://www.tp-link.com/us/home-networking/powerline/tl-pa9020-kit/ > > Many thanks > > Tim > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nv4c@gmail.com > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Elecraft] OT Powerline Wifi extenders
Fellow Elecrafters, I am trying to extend the wifi based internet coverage in my property. Alas it has very thick concrete walls with lots of re-bar in them, which is good for the odd earthquake - but not so much for wifi. I am trying to avoid at all costs of drilling holes in the walls and using ethernet/Fibre/coax etc... With the effect that I havebeen looking at wifi range extending. I am familiar (and not that impressed with Wifi extenders) but I have been looking at Powerline Extenders - which looks like a clever solution - but one which sound like it should have a QRM-Health warning to all Hams written all over it. So does anyone use Powerline Wifi extenders ? If so - any issues ... Any models you would recommend (or suggest to avoid) If you would like to read more on this technology the following link should get you started ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HomePlug With this example from TP as to how they can be used https://www.tp-link.com/us/home-networking/powerline/tl-pa9020-kit/ Many thanks Tim __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
