[Elecraft] P3 Cursors

2018-10-17 Thread Ed gilliland

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Hi Ed,

Are there magenta and green arrows toward the bottom of the spectrum display?


yes


These indicate where the cursors are relative to your current center frequency. 



Understood


If  you are in fixed tune mode, you can easily re-center your VFO A cursor by 
two consecutive long presses of the SPAN/CENTER button.


In Fixed Tune Mode, two consecutive long presses of the SPAN/CENTER button 
didn't help.  Green and Magenta arrows are still at the bottom left of the 
display   


If all else fails, a memory reset can be performed by holding down the MENU
button while powering up the P3.  Note that this will erase an function key
settings.


I did a memory reset.  The green and magenta arrows are still at the bottom 
left of the display.
I reloaded all firmware with the latest versions.  The Green and Magenta arrows 
are still at the bottom left of the display.



The P3 seems to be working with the exception of the U and BAR cursors.


Ed

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Re: [Elecraft] P3 cursors

2012-05-19 Thread Arthur Burke
Guess I don't understand what all the fuss is about. In standard mode,
there are two cursors on my P3 - one green and one sort of purplish (I have
a partial color blindness, but there is a distinct difference between the
two cursors, even for me).

Even if you're not operating in SPLIT mode, when you tune the VFO B (the
purplish marker) away from the frequency of VFO A, it stands out quite
prominently on the P3 display.

I operate mostly CW. When a split operation takes place, and I tune
somewhere into the piluep I might typically have reduced the SPAN to 20
kHz so there's 10 kHz on each side of the DX operating frequency. As I tune
the VFO B (most often it's actually the sub-receiver so I can also hear
what's going on in the pileup), you can see an obvious gap between the
two cursors.

Personally, I enjoy cruising through the pileup, trying to find who the DX
is currently working, trying to quickly discern a pattern (if any) of the
DX operator. When someone in a cluster spot writes that he worked 'em, it
is most often something like QSX 14027.5 as opposed to up 1.375.

With the sub-receiver engaged, split engaged and the difference in color
between the two cursors, I guess I fail to understand whey there would be a
huge need for anything else - at least anything else relating to the P3/K3
functionality that already exists.

I think any reasonable operator would only accidentally operate on the DX
frequency once or twice before it became a habit to engage SPLIT and then
split your xmit frequency. If a given op consistently makes the same
mistake of NOT operating split, a bunch of ugly descriptives come to mind!

Art - N4PJ



On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 9:18 PM, k7hbg @dslextreme.com k7...@dslextreme.com
 wrote:

 Good thought Stewart!

  I had been thinking of this new feature for a while now but you gave it
 wings.
 The frequency difference on the display between the cursor and the
 marker(s) or, between the markers would be a most welcome addition

 Thanks and 73. Bob K7HBG
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 cursors

2012-05-19 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV

 With the sub-receiver engaged, split engaged and the difference in
 color between the two cursors, I guess I fail to understand whey
 there would be a huge need for anything else - at least anything else
 relating to the P3/K3 functionality that already exists.

When split, RIT or XIT is engaged a third - RED transmit - cursor is
also visible.  It is inexcusable for anyone with a P3 to ever fail to
realize they are/are not split simply because the red cursor is to
very visible.  The transmit cursor is present when transmit frequency
is different from the main receiver frequency (when the K3 red delta
F LED is on) even if one turns off the VFO B cursor.

73,

... Joe, W4TV


On 5/19/2012 7:15 AM, Arthur Burke wrote:
 Guess I don't understand what all the fuss is about. In standard mode,
 there are two cursors on my P3 - one green and one sort of purplish (I have
 a partial color blindness, but there is a distinct difference between the
 two cursors, even for me).

 Even if you're not operating in SPLIT mode, when you tune the VFO B (the
 purplish marker) away from the frequency of VFO A, it stands out quite
 prominently on the P3 display.

 I operate mostly CW. When a split operation takes place, and I tune
 somewhere into the piluep I might typically have reduced the SPAN to 20
 kHz so there's 10 kHz on each side of the DX operating frequency. As I tune
 the VFO B (most often it's actually the sub-receiver so I can also hear
 what's going on in the pileup), you can see an obvious gap between the
 two cursors.

 Personally, I enjoy cruising through the pileup, trying to find who the DX
 is currently working, trying to quickly discern a pattern (if any) of the
 DX operator. When someone in a cluster spot writes that he worked 'em, it
 is most often something like QSX 14027.5 as opposed to up 1.375.

 With the sub-receiver engaged, split engaged and the difference in color
 between the two cursors, I guess I fail to understand whey there would be a
 huge need for anything else - at least anything else relating to the P3/K3
 functionality that already exists.

 I think any reasonable operator would only accidentally operate on the DX
 frequency once or twice before it became a habit to engage SPLIT and then
 split your xmit frequency. If a given op consistently makes the same
 mistake of NOT operating split, a bunch of ugly descriptives come to mind!

 Art - N4PJ



 On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 9:18 PM, k7hbg @dslextreme.comk7...@dslextreme.com
 wrote:

 Good thought Stewart!

   I had been thinking of this new feature for a while now but you gave it
 wings.
 The frequency difference on the display between the cursor and the
 marker(s) or, between the markers would be a most welcome addition

 Thanks and 73. Bob K7HBG
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 cursors

2012-05-19 Thread Arthur Burke
Thanks Joe. I hadn't noticed that. I seldom use RIT/XIT when working split,
but I played with that to demonstrate what you're saying.

Didn't realize the cursor actually changes color (on VFO B/SubRX) from
purplish to red - I just knew it was quite simple to distinguish the diff
between where I was listening and where I would be transmitting!

My partial color-blindness is referred to as red-green but I have no
trouble seeing the obvious green line for the VFO A and the other color
for the VFO B.

My affliction is revealed by the test of pages with all the colored dots.
(Wechsler or something like that.) People with normal vision see numbers -
the numbers tend to stand out distinctly among all the colored dots. Those
with red-green color-blindness (surprisingly common) can eventually find
the numbers, but they don't leap off the page like they do for normal
people.

Fortunately, stand-alone, distinct colors (like the red and green of a
traffic light!) do not cause problems.

Art - N4PJ



On Sat, May 19, 2012 at 7:28 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV li...@subich.com wrote:


  With the sub-receiver engaged, split engaged and the difference in
  color between the two cursors, I guess I fail to understand whey
  there would be a huge need for anything else - at least anything else
  relating to the P3/K3 functionality that already exists.

 When split, RIT or XIT is engaged a third - RED transmit - cursor is
 also visible.  It is inexcusable for anyone with a P3 to ever fail to
 realize they are/are not split simply because the red cursor is to
 very visible.  The transmit cursor is present when transmit frequency
 is different from the main receiver frequency (when the K3 red delta
 F LED is on) even if one turns off the VFO B cursor.

 73,

... Joe, W4TV


 On 5/19/2012 7:15 AM, Arthur Burke wrote:
  Guess I don't understand what all the fuss is about. In standard mode,
  there are two cursors on my P3 - one green and one sort of purplish (I
 have
  a partial color blindness, but there is a distinct difference between the
  two cursors, even for me).
 
  Even if you're not operating in SPLIT mode, when you tune the VFO B (the
  purplish marker) away from the frequency of VFO A, it stands out quite
  prominently on the P3 display.
 
  I operate mostly CW. When a split operation takes place, and I tune
  somewhere into the piluep I might typically have reduced the SPAN to 20
  kHz so there's 10 kHz on each side of the DX operating frequency. As I
 tune
  the VFO B (most often it's actually the sub-receiver so I can also hear
  what's going on in the pileup), you can see an obvious gap between the
  two cursors.
 
  Personally, I enjoy cruising through the pileup, trying to find who the
 DX
  is currently working, trying to quickly discern a pattern (if any) of
 the
  DX operator. When someone in a cluster spot writes that he worked 'em, it
  is most often something like QSX 14027.5 as opposed to up 1.375.
 
  With the sub-receiver engaged, split engaged and the difference in color
  between the two cursors, I guess I fail to understand whey there would
 be a
  huge need for anything else - at least anything else relating to the
 P3/K3
  functionality that already exists.
 
  I think any reasonable operator would only accidentally operate on the DX
  frequency once or twice before it became a habit to engage SPLIT and then
  split your xmit frequency. If a given op consistently makes the same
  mistake of NOT operating split, a bunch of ugly descriptives come to
 mind!
 
  Art - N4PJ
 
 
 
  On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 9:18 PM, k7hbg @dslextreme.com
 k7...@dslextreme.com
  wrote:
 
  Good thought Stewart!
 
I had been thinking of this new feature for a while now but you gave
 it
  wings.
  The frequency difference on the display between the cursor and the
  marker(s) or, between the markers would be a most welcome addition
 
  Thanks and 73. Bob K7HBG
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 cursors

2012-05-19 Thread Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy
Hi Stewart,

As I am not familiar with the P3, and I do not know how many markers are 
available, but if several markers are available then your suggestion if 
followed would remove a lot of mental arithmatic during a DX pileup.  I use 
my Perseus as a panadapter, and it displays the frequency difference (and 
amplitude difference) between a signal at Marker1 and other signals marked 
by the other markers, when in delta mode.

As just one of several examples.  As do many others, I attempt to discern 
the DX station's listening pattern in a pileup before calling.  By placing 
Marker 1 on the DX's frequency and the other markers on the frequency of 
each station being worked, the listening pattern in most cases soon becomes 
clear if the marker deltas are displayed.  No mental arithmatic :-)

Coupled with Quick Split, a powerful combination, but that's another 
subject.

73,

Geoff
LX2AO


On May 19, 2012 at 07:52 +0200, Stewart G3RXQ wrote:

 With a high proportion of operating now involving 'Split' it might remove
 the mental arithmetic involved,  and help to reduce the number of Up 
 Up's

 ;-)

 73
 Stewart G3RXQ

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Re: [Elecraft] P3 cursors

2012-05-19 Thread Fred Jensen
On 5/19/2012 4:28 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:

 When split, RIT or XIT is engaged a third - RED transmit - cursor is
 also visible.  It is inexcusable for anyone with a P3 to ever fail to
 realize they are/are not split simply because the red cursor is to
 very visible.  The transmit cursor is present when transmit frequency
 is different from the main receiver frequency (when the K3 red delta
 F LED is on) even if one turns off the VFO B cursor.

A few months ago, an Elecraft customer asked Alan if a monochrome P3 
waterfall option could be included in a FW update.  To no fanfare, the 
option appeared in the menu after the next update.  It wasn't discussed 
on the this list that I know of and I suspect that almost no one knows 
it's there unless you spend a lot of time studying your P3 menu options. 
  The customer was me.

I'm one of the 0.001% of the male population with no color vision [we're 
all male].  My wife explained that the waterfall background was very 
dark blue [looked black], and the weak signals were dark blue [looked 
black I guess, I couldn't see them].  They had to get to S6 or so before 
I could discern them.  In monochrome, I can see super-weak signals I 
can't hear.  I can even discern if it is CW, RTTY, or some digital mode 
in some cases.  Obviously, I miss out on quite a bit of the dazzle of 
the Tokyo-By-Night radios that light up like the Ginza.  Those 
manufacturers would have done nothing for one customer, of course.  More 
basic, I'd have never found anyone to ask.

The P3 cursors are lines for me.  In fixed-tune mode, my receive 
frequency cursor moves with the Big Knob making it really easy to find 
regardless of color.  Depending on where I have the CW BW set, it may 
also be a little fatter.  In split, my TX frequency appears as another 
line, always higher in frequency and it moves with the VFO B knob.  I've 
never heard the Up Cops sending DOWN.  It too is easy to find.  Next 
to the TX LED is a Delta-F LED that comes on if I am not transmitting on 
my receive frequency ... for any reason whatsoever.  Over on the 
display, there will be a little arrow pointing down to VFO B if I'm 
split.  There are LED's around the RIT knob that light up if it [or XIT] 
is engaged.

While I would take issue with Joe's use of inexcusable as a bit harsh, 
I can't think of many more things Elecraft could have done to tell me 
that I'm not transmitting on my receive frequency.  And they've managed 
to do it for a ham who couldn't see any difference when color TV came 
along in the 50's.  Nice going!!  I can't see the numerals on the keypad 
either, but it's not a problem, I know what a key pad looks like.

Now, if I can just figure out what the + in the lower right corner of 
the main display is telling me ...

73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the 2012 Cal QSO Party 6-7 Oct 2012
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 cursors

2012-05-19 Thread Dale Boresz
Hello Fred,

That + symbol indicates that QRQ is ON. You can turn it ON or OFF via 
the Config menu option CW QRQ

73, Dale
WA8SRA


On 5/19/2012 11:43 AM, Fred Jensen wrote:
 ...
 Now, if I can just figure out what the + in the lower right corner 
 of the main display is telling me ... 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern 
 California Contest Club - CU in the 2012 Cal QSO Party 6-7 Oct 2012 - 
 www.cqp.org 
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 cursors

2012-05-19 Thread Stewart
Hi Geoff,
I seem to have muddied the waters by bringing Split into the cursor delta 
discussion.

Leaving aside changing of cursor colour (colors) and RIT/XIT (which are 
irrelevant as
many SSB splits as they wider than those controls), my original request was for 
the P3
to show the difference in frequency between the two (2) markers.

Wish I'd not bothered...

Stewart G3RXQ


On Sat, 19 May 2012 17:07:42 +0200, Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy wrote:
 Hi Stewart,

 As I am not familiar with the P3, and I do not know how many markers are
 available, but if several markers are available then your suggestion if
 followed would remove a lot of mental arithmatic during a DX pileup.  I use
 my Perseus as a panadapter, and it displays the frequency difference (and
 amplitude difference) between a signal at Marker1 and other signals marked
 by the other markers, when in delta mode.

 As just one of several examples.  As do many others, I attempt to discern
 the DX station's listening pattern in a pileup before calling.  By placing
 Marker 1 on the DX's frequency and the other markers on the frequency of
 each station being worked, the listening pattern in most cases soon becomes
 clear if the marker deltas are displayed.  No mental arithmatic :-)

 Coupled with Quick Split, a powerful combination, but that's another
 subject.

 73,

 Geoff
 LX2AO


 On May 19, 2012 at 07:52 +0200, Stewart G3RXQ wrote:

 With a high proportion of operating now involving 'Split' it might remove
 the mental arithmetic involved,  and help to reduce the number of Up
 Up's

 ;-)

 73
 Stewart G3RXQ


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Re: [Elecraft] P3 cursors

2012-05-19 Thread Fred Jensen
On 5/19/2012 9:17 AM, Dale Boresz wrote:
 Hello Fred,

 That + symbol indicates that QRQ is ON. You can turn it ON or OFF via
 the Config menu option CW QRQ

Thank you Dale!  I vaguely recall the long list thread on CW QRQ.  I 
rarely send above 25 WPM except in contests when I have to grab the 
paddle.  I generally run N1MM/Winkey at 28-30 WPM in contests and it 
asserts PTT so I'm not QSK.  I turned the QRQ off but can't tell the 
difference.

I'll add it to the List Of Icons I Know About Now.

73,

Fred K6DGW
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- CU in the 2012 Cal QSO Party 6-7 Oct 2012
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 cursors

2012-05-19 Thread Vic K2VCO
There is never a reason to turn QRQ off. It improves the sound of the sidetone 
when QSK is 
on at any speed, although it doesn't make much difference in the transmitted 
signals below 
about 33 wpm. It is automatically off when the K3 can't support it, which is 
when you are 
in SPLIT or have RIT or XIT on.

The ability to turn it off is a vestige of the initial pre-beta implementation, 
when it 
needed to be turned off in order to use SPLIT/XIT/RIT. But Wayne made it 
automatic, so 
this is not required. It's possible that he will remove the switch.

On 5/19/2012 10:17 AM, Fred Jensen wrote:
 On 5/19/2012 9:17 AM, Dale Boresz wrote:
 Hello Fred,

 That + symbol indicates that QRQ is ON. You can turn it ON or OFF via
 the Config menu option CW QRQ

 Thank you Dale!  I vaguely recall the long list thread on CW QRQ.  I
 rarely send above 25 WPM except in contests when I have to grab the
 paddle.  I generally run N1MM/Winkey at 28-30 WPM in contests and it
 asserts PTT so I'm not QSK.  I turned the QRQ off but can't tell the
 difference.

 I'll add it to the List Of Icons I Know About Now.

 73,

 Fred K6DGW
 - Northern California Contest Club
 - CU in the 2012 Cal QSO Party 6-7 Oct 2012
 - www.cqp.org

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Fresno CA
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 cursors

2012-05-19 Thread Pierfrancesco Caci

I vaguely remember it having another side effect on shift/width...
Ah, here it is (page 54 of the manual):

 Filter passband SHIFT/LOCUT/HICUT cannot be used when CW QRQ is in effect

Depending on your operating habits, that can be a good reason to not
enable QRQ. 

 Vic == Vic K2VCO k2vco@gmail.com writes:


Vic There is never a reason to turn QRQ off. It improves the sound of the 
sidetone when QSK is 
Vic on at any speed, although it doesn't make much difference in the 
transmitted signals below 
Vic about 33 wpm. It is automatically off when the K3 can't support it, 
which is when you are 
Vic in SPLIT or have RIT or XIT on.

Vic The ability to turn it off is a vestige of the initial pre-beta 
implementation, when it 
Vic needed to be turned off in order to use SPLIT/XIT/RIT. But Wayne made 
it automatic, so 
Vic this is not required. It's possible that he will remove the switch.


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Re: [Elecraft] P3 cursors

2012-05-19 Thread Vic K2VCO
Oops, you're right. Just tried it. Oh well, I never use those things anyway.

On 5/19/2012 12:52 PM, Pierfrancesco Caci wrote:

 I vaguely remember it having another side effect on shift/width...
 Ah, here it is (page 54 of the manual):

   Filter passband SHIFT/LOCUT/HICUT cannot be used when CW QRQ is in effect

 Depending on your operating habits, that can be a good reason to not
 enable QRQ.

 Vic == Vic K2VCOk2vco@gmail.com  writes:


  Vic  There is never a reason to turn QRQ off. It improves the sound of 
 the sidetone when QSK is
  Vic  on at any speed, although it doesn't make much difference in the 
 transmitted signals below
  Vic  about 33 wpm. It is automatically off when the K3 can't support 
 it, which is when you are
  Vic  in SPLIT or have RIT or XIT on.

  Vic  The ability to turn it off is a vestige of the initial pre-beta 
 implementation, when it
  Vic  needed to be turned off in order to use SPLIT/XIT/RIT. But Wayne 
 made it automatic, so
  Vic  this is not required. It's possible that he will remove the switch.



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Re: [Elecraft] P3 cursors

2012-05-18 Thread Stewart
Yes, the P3 markers are good for measuring the frequency difference between two
signals.

If as well that difference (delta) could be shown textually on the P3 it would 
be even better.

Can't be that difficult to do. How about it Elecraft ?

73
Stewart G3RXQ
On Thu, 17 May 2012 16:30:22 -0400, Bill Conkling wrote:
 Well, the markers are very handy for measuring the difference between two
 signals on the display.  I have also found them handy for marking the
 boundaries of a range of frequencies, like if a dx station is working 5 to
 10 UP, I can mark the range with the markers and then look for the pileup in
 the range.  Keeps me from wandering too far away and getting into other
 conversations.

 And, of course, if you set marker A to a signal up the band, and press the
 knob on the P3, it will QSY to K3 to that frequency.  Marker B does the same
 for VFO B or the SUB.

 As you get used to the P3, you'll find more and more uses for it.  I feel
 absolutely blind without it now.

 ...bill  nr4c.

 -Original Message-
 From: Ralph Parker [mailto:ve...@dccnet.com]
 Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 3:28 PM
 To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 cursors

 I'm still getting used to my new P3. The original P3 firmware had the baud
 rate bug, and when I changed to 01.16, all was well (K3 f/w 4.50).
 I then loaded K3 f/w 4.51 for better AGC - and here's the confusion:

 Under 4.50, I coulda' sworned that the P3 cursor for VFO B (violet) was
 only displayed when the SUB rcvr was on (good, avoids clutter), but now
 (4.51) it is displayed continuously. Am I mistaken? Have I pushed some
 hidden button?(it's possible) I do find it distracting.

 Incidentally, it seems that I prefer to leave the P3 in fixed-tune mode.
 In tracking mode, the VFO B cursor chases itself up and down the band.

 Unfortunately, I've given my borrowed KE7X book back to its rightful owner,
 so I have to ask you guys. (OK, OK, I'll get my own copy!)

 One other thing - what do you guys do with MKRA and MKRB?
 I can't seem to find a practical use for that feature.

 Ralph, VE7XF

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[Elecraft] P3 cursors

2012-05-18 Thread k7hbg @dslextreme.com
Good thought Stewart!

 I had been thinking of this new feature for a while now but you gave it
wings.
The frequency difference on the display between the cursor and the
marker(s) or, between the markers would be a most welcome addition

Thanks and 73. Bob K7HBG
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 cursors

2012-05-18 Thread Stewart
With a high proportion of operating now involving 'Split' it might remove
 the mental arithmetic involved,  and help to reduce the number of Up Up's 

;-)

73
Stewart G3RXQ
On Fri, 18 May 2012 18:18:49 -0700, k7hbg @dslextreme.com wrote:
 Good thought Stewart!

 I had been thinking of this new feature for a while now but you gave it
 wings.
 The frequency difference on the display between the cursor and the
 marker(s) or, between the markers would be a most welcome addition

 Thanks and 73. Bob K7HBG
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[Elecraft] P3 cursors

2012-05-17 Thread Ralph Parker
I'm still getting used to my new P3. The original P3 firmware had the baud
rate bug, and when I changed to 01.16, all was well (K3 f/w 4.50).
I then loaded K3 f/w 4.51 for better AGC - and here's the confusion:

Under 4.50, I coulda' sworned that the P3 cursor for VFO B (violet) was
only displayed when the SUB rcvr was on (good, avoids clutter), but now
(4.51) it is displayed continuously. Am I mistaken? Have I pushed some
hidden button?(it's possible) I do find it distracting.

Incidentally, it seems that I prefer to leave the P3 in fixed-tune mode.
In tracking mode, the VFO B cursor chases itself up and down the band.

Unfortunately, I've given my borrowed KE7X book back to its rightful owner,
so I have to ask you guys. (OK, OK, I'll get my own copy!)

One other thing - what do you guys do with MKRA and MKRB?
I can't seem to find a practical use for that feature.

Ralph, VE7XF

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Re: [Elecraft] P3 cursors

2012-05-17 Thread Bill Conkling
Well, the markers are very handy for measuring the difference between two
signals on the display.  I have also found them handy for marking the
boundaries of a range of frequencies, like if a dx station is working 5 to
10 UP, I can mark the range with the markers and then look for the pileup in
the range.  Keeps me from wandering too far away and getting into other
conversations.

And, of course, if you set marker A to a signal up the band, and press the
knob on the P3, it will QSY to K3 to that frequency.  Marker B does the same
for VFO B or the SUB.

As you get used to the P3, you'll find more and more uses for it.  I feel
absolutely blind without it now.

...bill  nr4c.

-Original Message-
From: Ralph Parker [mailto:ve...@dccnet.com] 
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 3:28 PM
To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 cursors

I'm still getting used to my new P3. The original P3 firmware had the baud
rate bug, and when I changed to 01.16, all was well (K3 f/w 4.50).
I then loaded K3 f/w 4.51 for better AGC - and here's the confusion:

Under 4.50, I coulda' sworned that the P3 cursor for VFO B (violet) was
only displayed when the SUB rcvr was on (good, avoids clutter), but now
(4.51) it is displayed continuously. Am I mistaken? Have I pushed some
hidden button?(it's possible) I do find it distracting.

Incidentally, it seems that I prefer to leave the P3 in fixed-tune mode.
In tracking mode, the VFO B cursor chases itself up and down the band.

Unfortunately, I've given my borrowed KE7X book back to its rightful owner,
so I have to ask you guys. (OK, OK, I'll get my own copy!)

One other thing - what do you guys do with MKRA and MKRB?
I can't seem to find a practical use for that feature.

Ralph, VE7XF

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Re: [Elecraft] P3 cursors

2012-05-17 Thread Alan Bloom
On Thu, 2012-05-17 at 19:28 +, Ralph Parker wrote:

 Under 4.50, I coulda' sworned that the P3 cursor for VFO B (violet) was
 only displayed when the SUB rcvr was on (good, avoids clutter), but now
 (4.51) it is displayed continuously. 

You can enable/disable the VFO B cursor with the VFO B menu item.

Alan N1AL


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Re: [Elecraft] P3 cursors

2012-05-17 Thread Ralph Parker
You can enable/disable the VFO B cursor with the VFO B menu item.

Yeah, but then it's either always on or always off, neither of which I want.

And tnx for the hints on MKRA and MKRB.

Ralph, VE7XF

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Re: [Elecraft] P3 cursors

2012-05-17 Thread Mike K2MK
Hi Ralph,

The violet VFO B cursor is present whether the sub RX is on or off. As
another poster commented you can turn it off with a menu change. And I
suppose you could set a FN button up to do it if you prefer.

I also prefer fixed tune and rarely use tracking mode.

I don't use the markers. When I see a signal I'm interested in I just spin
the VFO A or VFO B dial on the K3. But I could see a use if you want to tag
a station but not QSY to his frequency just yet. But then again I could spin
the VFO B dial to the frequency and then just hit A/B when I want to
actually QSY to that frequency. Hey, there's some features on the K3 I never
use as well. But it's nice to know they're there just in case.

73,
Mike K2MK


Ralph Parker wrote
 
 I'm still getting used to my new P3. The original P3 firmware had the baud
 rate bug, and when I changed to 01.16, all was well (K3 f/w 4.50).
 I then loaded K3 f/w 4.51 for better AGC - and here's the confusion:
 
 Under 4.50, I coulda' sworned that the P3 cursor for VFO B (violet) was
 only displayed when the SUB rcvr was on (good, avoids clutter), but now
 (4.51) it is displayed continuously. Am I mistaken? Have I pushed some
 hidden button?(it's possible) I do find it distracting.
 
 Incidentally, it seems that I prefer to leave the P3 in fixed-tune mode.
 In tracking mode, the VFO B cursor chases itself up and down the band.
 
 Unfortunately, I've given my borrowed KE7X book back to its rightful
 owner,
 so I have to ask you guys. (OK, OK, I'll get my own copy!)
 
 One other thing - what do you guys do with MKRA and MKRB?
 I can't seem to find a practical use for that feature.
 
 Ralph, VE7XF
 


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Re: [Elecraft] P3 cursors

2012-05-17 Thread Vic K2VCO
If you turn the VFO B menu item OFF then the VFO B cursor is not displayed, 
unless you 
turn SPLIT on. In that case you DO get the cursor.

Is that what you want?

On 5/17/2012 2:16 PM, Mike K2MK wrote:
 Hi Ralph,

 The violet VFO B cursor is present whether the sub RX is on or off. As
 another poster commented you can turn it off with a menu change. And I
 suppose you could set a FN button up to do it if you prefer.

 I also prefer fixed tune and rarely use tracking mode.

 I don't use the markers. When I see a signal I'm interested in I just spin
 the VFO A or VFO B dial on the K3. But I could see a use if you want to tag
 a station but not QSY to his frequency just yet. But then again I could spin
 the VFO B dial to the frequency and then just hit A/B when I want to
 actually QSY to that frequency. Hey, there's some features on the K3 I never
 use as well. But it's nice to know they're there just in case.

 73,
 Mike K2MK


 Ralph Parker wrote

 I'm still getting used to my new P3. The original P3 firmware had the baud
 rate bug, and when I changed to 01.16, all was well (K3 f/w 4.50).
 I then loaded K3 f/w 4.51 for better AGC - and here's the confusion:

 Under 4.50, I coulda' sworned that the P3 cursor for VFO B (violet) was
 only displayed when the SUB rcvr was on (good, avoids clutter), but now
 (4.51) it is displayed continuously. Am I mistaken? Have I pushed some
 hidden button?(it's possible) I do find it distracting.

 Incidentally, it seems that I prefer to leave the P3 in fixed-tune mode.
 In tracking mode, the VFO B cursor chases itself up and down the band.

 Unfortunately, I've given my borrowed KE7X book back to its rightful
 owner,
 so I have to ask you guys. (OK, OK, I'll get my own copy!)

 One other thing - what do you guys do with MKRA and MKRB?
 I can't seem to find a practical use for that feature.

 Ralph, VE7XF


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Re: [Elecraft] P3 cursors

2012-05-17 Thread hawley, charles j jr
Oh...how do you move cursers with out tuning? Sorry if that's a dumb question 
but I'm not near the book.


Sent from my iPad

On May 17, 2012, at 4:30 PM, Bill Conkling n...@widomaker.com wrote:

 Well, the markers are very handy for measuring the difference between two
 signals on the display.  I have also found them handy for marking the
 boundaries of a range of frequencies, like if a dx station is working 5 to
 10 UP, I can mark the range with the markers and then look for the pileup in
 the range.  Keeps me from wandering too far away and getting into other
 conversations.
 
 And, of course, if you set marker A to a signal up the band, and press the
 knob on the P3, it will QSY to K3 to that frequency.  Marker B does the same
 for VFO B or the SUB.
 
 As you get used to the P3, you'll find more and more uses for it.  I feel
 absolutely blind without it now.
 
 ...bill  nr4c.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Ralph Parker [mailto:ve...@dccnet.com] 
 Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 3:28 PM
 To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 cursors
 
 I'm still getting used to my new P3. The original P3 firmware had the baud
 rate bug, and when I changed to 01.16, all was well (K3 f/w 4.50).
 I then loaded K3 f/w 4.51 for better AGC - and here's the confusion:
 
 Under 4.50, I coulda' sworned that the P3 cursor for VFO B (violet) was
 only displayed when the SUB rcvr was on (good, avoids clutter), but now
 (4.51) it is displayed continuously. Am I mistaken? Have I pushed some
 hidden button?(it's possible) I do find it distracting.
 
 Incidentally, it seems that I prefer to leave the P3 in fixed-tune mode.
 In tracking mode, the VFO B cursor chases itself up and down the band.
 
 Unfortunately, I've given my borrowed KE7X book back to its rightful owner,
 so I have to ask you guys. (OK, OK, I'll get my own copy!)
 
 One other thing - what do you guys do with MKRA and MKRB?
 I can't seem to find a practical use for that feature.
 
 Ralph, VE7XF
 
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 cursors

2012-05-17 Thread Ralph Parker
If you turn the VFO B menu item OFF then the VFO B cursor is not displayed,
unless you turn SPLIT on. In that case you DO get the cursor.

Hmmm...  Tnx, Vic, maybe that's what I was thinking of, although I thought
I remember the B cursor being violet, not red as in 'split'.
More details that are lost in the mists of time :-)
I spent a lot of time chasing the 7O in 'split' mode, so maybe the cursor
was red after all. Perhaps Wayne or Eric will straighten me out.

Ralph, VE7XF

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Re: [Elecraft] P3 cursors

2012-05-17 Thread Bill Conkling
When you activate the markers, the knob will move them.  Let's be sure we're
talking apples and apples.  The cursor is the wide band that indicates the
bandwidth.  It is moved with the vfo a/b knob.  The markers are accessed by
taping or holding the [Marker] button on the right edge of the p3 and
adjusting them via the knob on the p3.  Once a marker is set, you can QSY to
the marker location by pressing the knob, and the cursor/radio dial will now
show the new frequency.

...bill  nr4c

-Original Message-
From: hawley, charles j jr [mailto:c-haw...@illinois.edu] 
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 5:34 PM
To: Bill Conkling
Cc: Ralph Parker; Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 cursors

Oh...how do you move cursers with out tuning? Sorry if that's a dumb
question but I'm not near the book.


Sent from my iPad

On May 17, 2012, at 4:30 PM, Bill Conkling n...@widomaker.com wrote:

 Well, the markers are very handy for measuring the difference between two
 signals on the display.  I have also found them handy for marking the
 boundaries of a range of frequencies, like if a dx station is working 5 to
 10 UP, I can mark the range with the markers and then look for the pileup
in
 the range.  Keeps me from wandering too far away and getting into other
 conversations.
 
 And, of course, if you set marker A to a signal up the band, and press the
 knob on the P3, it will QSY to K3 to that frequency.  Marker B does the
same
 for VFO B or the SUB.
 
 As you get used to the P3, you'll find more and more uses for it.  I feel
 absolutely blind without it now.
 
 ...bill  nr4c.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Ralph Parker [mailto:ve...@dccnet.com] 
 Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 3:28 PM
 To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 cursors
 
 I'm still getting used to my new P3. The original P3 firmware had the baud
 rate bug, and when I changed to 01.16, all was well (K3 f/w 4.50).
 I then loaded K3 f/w 4.51 for better AGC - and here's the confusion:
 
 Under 4.50, I coulda' sworned that the P3 cursor for VFO B (violet) was
 only displayed when the SUB rcvr was on (good, avoids clutter), but now
 (4.51) it is displayed continuously. Am I mistaken? Have I pushed some
 hidden button?(it's possible) I do find it distracting.
 
 Incidentally, it seems that I prefer to leave the P3 in fixed-tune mode.
 In tracking mode, the VFO B cursor chases itself up and down the band.
 
 Unfortunately, I've given my borrowed KE7X book back to its rightful
owner,
 so I have to ask you guys. (OK, OK, I'll get my own copy!)
 
 One other thing - what do you guys do with MKRA and MKRB?
 I can't seem to find a practical use for that feature.
 
 Ralph, VE7XF
 
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[Elecraft] P3 Cursors

2011-07-08 Thread Jim Sheldon
Since loading beta version 1.08, I've noticed that the SSB cursors get narrower 
with the passband shift settings, but won't go to the left of the center line 
in USB and the same holds true for LSB.  I don't remember the U shaped cursors 
doing this before.  The CW cursors will move either side of the center line and 
not change width with the shift control.  The width of the cursor does change 
as it should with use of the width control in both CW and SSB modes.

Is this the way it's supposed to work or is it a bug that I just came across?  
I haven't seen anything reported on this before, so don't know for sure.

Jim Sheldon - W0EB
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Cursors

2011-07-08 Thread Jim Sheldon
I regressed to 1.05 and it still has the same problem.  Took it all the way 
back to 1.00 and the cursors follow the shift and width settings properly.  

Alan, you might want to look closely at where this went awry between version 
1.00 and 1.05 as it was carried over into 1.08 and since I operate more CW than 
SSB I didn't notice it until working SSB on 6 meters early this afternoon.

Jim Sheldon - W0EB

 Since loading beta version 1.08, I've noticed that the SSB cursors
 get narrower with the passband shift settings, but won't go to
 the left of the center line in USB and the same holds true for LSB.
 I don't remember the U shaped cursors doing this before.  The CW
 cursors will move either side of the center line and not change
 width with the shift control.  The width of the cursor does
 change as it should with use of the width control in both CW and
 SSB modes.

 Is this the way it's supposed to work or is it a bug that I just
 came across?  I haven't seen anything reported on this before, so
 don't know for sure.

 Jim Sheldon - W0EB
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Cursors

2011-07-08 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV

  Since loading beta version 1.08, I've noticed that the SSB cursors
  get narrower with the passband shift settings, but won't go to
  the left of the center line in USB and the same holds true for LSB.

That is the correct behavior.  Adjusting the shift will not move the
low frequency (audio) limit below the carrier (e.g. negative).  If
moving the shift toward lower audio frequencies would move the low
frequency audio cutoff below 0 Hz (into the opposite sideband), only
the high frequency cutoff will be moved.

What you are seeing as narrowing is the movement of the high limit
with the low limit frozen at 0 Hz.

 The CW cursors will move either  side of the center line and not
  change width with the shift control.

That's because the cursor represents the actual CW frequency and
moving shift will adjust the response +/- the CW pitch.  If you
expand the CW display, you will notice that the cursor will still
not shift more than pitch (e.g. 500 Hz if that is your pitch)
to the low audio frequency side of the carrier/cursor as the shift
is moved lower in audio tone.

73,

... Joe, W4TV


On 7/8/2011 3:09 PM, Jim Sheldon wrote:
 Since loading beta version 1.08, I've noticed that the SSB cursors
 get
narrower with the passband shift settings, but won't go to the left of
the center line in USB and the same holds true for LSB. I don't remember
the U shaped cursors doing this before. The CW cursors will move either
side of the center line and not change width with the shift control.
The width of the cursor does change as it should with use of the width
control in both CW and SSB modes.

 Is this the way it's supposed to work or is it a bug that I just
 came
across? I haven't seen anything reported on this before, so don't know
for sure.

 Jim Sheldon - W0EB
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Cursors

2011-07-08 Thread Alan Bloom
That was changed in 1.05.  From the release notes:

   * The displayed VFO cursors are not allowed to straddle
   the suppressed carrier frequency in SSB, CW and DATA A
   modes, to more-closely match actual K3 operation.

Alan It's a feature not a bug N1AL


On Fri, 2011-07-08 at 14:09 -0500, Jim Sheldon wrote:
 Since loading beta version 1.08, I've noticed that the SSB cursors get 
 narrower with the passband shift settings, but won't go to the left of the 
 center line in USB and the same holds true for LSB.  I don't remember the U 
 shaped cursors doing this before.  The CW cursors will move either side of 
 the center line and not change width with the shift control.  The width of 
 the cursor does change as it should with use of the width control in both 
 CW and SSB modes.
 
 Is this the way it's supposed to work or is it a bug that I just came across? 
  I haven't seen anything reported on this before, so don't know for sure.
 
 Jim Sheldon - W0EB
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 cursors won't go up more then 200 MHz

2010-09-16 Thread Wolf E. Rose
hi Jim,

sorry I've been not clear enough to explain my problem.

It is the CENTER frequency I'm talking about not the SPAN.

For example: receiving frequency is at 432.418 MHz (German beacon) and  
P3 has been switched on together with K3. P3 displays the same center  
frequency as the K3 dial shows. Now you tap 'Marker A' an switch it  
on. Displayed on P3's screen is 'Marker A 432418'. As soon as you dial  
the P3 select the P3's display shows 'Marker A 20'. You only can  
now dial to a frequency BELOW 20, there's no chance dialing mor  
than 20.

If you now try qsying via P3 selct (tap to QSY) the K3 won't follow.  
It is fixed to K3's frequency.

Sorry about being not clear enough, but my English is too poor to make  
the explanation clearer. Hope you understand my problem anyway ;-).

Thanks for answering es 73
Wolf DK1IP


Am 16.09.2010 um 14:21:01 schrieb Jim Cox:

 The span of the P3 is 200 khz.  You state 200 mhz so not sure if  
 span is what your questioning.

 Jim K4JAF


 - Original Message - From: Wolf E. Rose wolf.e.r...@freenet.de 
 
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 12:47 AM
 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 cursors won't go up more then 200 MHz


 hi folks,

 just preparing everything for the IARU-region 1 UHF/SHF-contest
 (10/2-3).

 While testing I was not able to set the P3's cursors beyond 200 MHz.
 Anybody show me the right way to exceed this frequency limit please.
 I'm sure this must be a software bug between operator's ears.
 Everything else (K3/10 #1935, Kuhne TR432H transverter) working
 together fine since years. Only the brandnew P3 #323 won't
 follow ... ;-(

 73
 Wolf DK1IP
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 cursors won't go up more then 200 MHz

2010-09-16 Thread Alan Bloom
Hi Wolf,

Thanks for the detailed explanation.  I've found the bug and it will be
fixed in the next firmware revision.  It turns out that the Center
Frequency adjustment also was not working properly above 200 MHz.

 Sorry about being not clear enough, but my English is too poor to make  
 the explanation clearer. Hope you understand my problem anyway ;-).

Danke sehr fur schreiben auf englisch.  Mein deutsch ist nicht sehr gut!

Alan N1AL


On Thu, 2010-09-16 at 18:26 +0200, Wolf E. Rose wrote:
 hi Jim,
 
 sorry I've been not clear enough to explain my problem.
 
 It is the CENTER frequency I'm talking about not the SPAN.
 
 For example: receiving frequency is at 432.418 MHz (German beacon) and  
 P3 has been switched on together with K3. P3 displays the same center  
 frequency as the K3 dial shows. Now you tap 'Marker A' an switch it  
 on. Displayed on P3's screen is 'Marker A 432418'. As soon as you dial  
 the P3 select the P3's display shows 'Marker A 20'. You only can  
 now dial to a frequency BELOW 20, there's no chance dialing mor  
 than 20.
 
 If you now try qsying via P3 selct (tap to QSY) the K3 won't follow.  
 It is fixed to K3's frequency.
 
 Sorry about being not clear enough, but my English is too poor to make  
 the explanation clearer. Hope you understand my problem anyway ;-).
 
 Thanks for answering es 73
 Wolf DK1IP
 
 
 Am 16.09.2010 um 14:21:01 schrieb Jim Cox:
 
  The span of the P3 is 200 khz.  You state 200 mhz so not sure if  
  span is what your questioning.
 
  Jim K4JAF
 
 
  - Original Message - From: Wolf E. Rose wolf.e.r...@freenet.de 
  
  To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
  Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 12:47 AM
  Subject: [Elecraft] P3 cursors won't go up more then 200 MHz
 
 
  hi folks,
 
  just preparing everything for the IARU-region 1 UHF/SHF-contest
  (10/2-3).
 
  While testing I was not able to set the P3's cursors beyond 200 MHz.
  Anybody show me the right way to exceed this frequency limit please.
  I'm sure this must be a software bug between operator's ears.
  Everything else (K3/10 #1935, Kuhne TR432H transverter) working
  together fine since years. Only the brandnew P3 #323 won't
  follow ... ;-(
 
  73
  Wolf DK1IP
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[Elecraft] P3 cursors won't go up more then 200 MHz

2010-09-15 Thread Wolf E. Rose
hi folks,

just preparing everything for the IARU-region 1 UHF/SHF-contest  
(10/2-3).

While testing I was not able to set the P3's cursors beyond 200 MHz.  
Anybody show me the right way to exceed this frequency limit please.  
I'm sure this must be a software bug between operator's ears.  
Everything else (K3/10 #1935, Kuhne TR432H transverter) working  
together fine since years. Only the brandnew P3 #323 won't  
follow ... ;-(

73
Wolf DK1IP
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