Re: [Elecraft] Radio clocks, internet and security!
I follow those who counsel and implement "caution" with all the modern/current internet connections and digital wonders. Just because something is possible doesn't mean it's wise. I have had one - yes, one - virus infection in 34 years of being online with minimal firewall and virus protection. I attribute this to strict caution in opening, responding, and searching internet content of any and all kinds. There's a Supreme Court maxim about not taking any and all cases that I think applies here: "Resist the entering wedge." ...robert KE2WY On 10/19/2019 00:08, Walter Underwood wrote: A zillion years ago, I was maintaining some ???groupware??? for engineers at HP (Notesfiles). I was amazed to learn that some people used a different set of commands than I did. They found some bugs in those clearly superfluous commands. Despite their obviously mistaken approach to using the software, I fixed the bugs. :-) So, be open to different uses of a product. Me, I keep Pacific time on my watch and UTC on my KX3. I log my SOTA activations in UTC. I reset the KX3 clock before each activation. wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) On Oct 18, 2019, at 4:54 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: Chuck and all, How many actually use the clock in the K3, K3S, KX3 or KX2? I certainly don't. In the case of the KX3 it is used to time the charging of the internal batteries - good use. I can see a ham without a watch or cell phone to want the rig to display the time for logging, but for me, my good old Timex on my wrist tells me what time to log. The clock in my KX3 is more difficult to access than simply glancing at my wrist! I have never even set the clock in my K3 or KX3! Nor do I feel a need to do so. As far as the K4 Linux software/firmware being internet connected, I have my reservations about that. I have enough stuff connected to the internet, and someone will have to demonstrate the benefit of my ham radio being connected to the internet in addition to my computers. If connection of the K4 to the internet is to be done, I have concerns about security and personal privacy. Even Linux is subject to bad stuff from the internet - it is not entirely secure, it is just that the number of users is small compared to other OS versions and hackers just do not bother for most cases. When my refrigerator or microwave begins to listen in to my conversations, I begin to worry about the BIG Brother consequences. BTW, I do not have an Alexa or Siri device for those security reasons. I can easily use a switch on the wall to operate a light switch and it is secure. I can turn on my home theater or my computer AV application when I want to hear music or view videos. Call me old-fashioned, but I like to have control of my environment. The Internet Of Things seems to be fraught with exposures and dangers that I am not willing to accept. 73, Don W3FPR On 10/18/2019 2:03 PM, hawley, charles j jr wrote: Is a more accurate clock possible? I imagine that depends on available chips but it???s a common topic. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to wun...@wunderwood.org __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to rc...@verizon.net -- Robert G Strickland, PhD ABPH - KE2WY rc...@verizon.net.usa Syracuse, New York, USA __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Radio clocks, internet and security!
I too agree with Don 100%! I also wouldn't buy a so called "smart" TV. And I'll trust my Linux machine far more than any Windows or Mac. Even Chromebooks (they are Linux based) are more secure than Windows and Macs. And "smart phones" are too smart for their own good too. I just bought my first one earlier this year. I like the internet but don't need to be connected to it every second of the day. 73! de Tom - KB2SMS On 10/18/19 8:59 PM, Bill Johnson wrote: Don, Plus you actually get exercise when you walk to your devices rather than rely on some software that does in fact invade your privacy. I am with you on this 100%. 72 & 73, Bill K9YEQ FT’er for K2, KX1, KX3, KXPA100, KAT500, W2, etc. -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Don Wilhelm Sent: Friday, October 18, 2019 6:55 PM To: hawley, charles j jr ; Wayne Burdick Cc: Elecraft Reflector ; elecraft...@groups.io Subject: [Elecraft] Radio clocks, internet and security! Chuck and all, How many actually use the clock in the K3, K3S, KX3 or KX2? I certainly don't. In the case of the KX3 it is used to time the charging of the internal batteries - good use. I can see a ham without a watch or cell phone to want the rig to display the time for logging, but for me, my good old Timex on my wrist tells me what time to log. The clock in my KX3 is more difficult to access than simply glancing at my wrist! I have never even set the clock in my K3 or KX3! Nor do I feel a need to do so. As far as the K4 Linux software/firmware being internet connected, I have my reservations about that. I have enough stuff connected to the internet, and someone will have to demonstrate the benefit of my ham radio being connected to the internet in addition to my computers. If connection of the K4 to the internet is to be done, I have concerns about security and personal privacy. Even Linux is subject to bad stuff from the internet - it is not entirely secure, it is just that the number of users is small compared to other OS versions and hackers just do not bother for most cases. When my refrigerator or microwave begins to listen in to my conversations, I begin to worry about the BIG Brother consequences. BTW, I do not have an Alexa or Siri device for those security reasons. I can easily use a switch on the wall to operate a light switch and it is secure. I can turn on my home theater or my computer AV application when I want to hear music or view videos. Call me old-fashioned, but I like to have control of my environment. The Internet Of Things seems to be fraught with exposures and dangers that I am not willing to accept. 73, Don W3FPR On 10/18/2019 2:03 PM, hawley, charles j jr wrote: Is a more accurate clock possible? I imagine that depends on available chips but it’s a common topic. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k9...@live.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tomm...@hvc.rr.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Radio clocks, internet and security!
While relatively few people use Linux as a desktop environment, many servers run Linux. Breaking into servers is a big deal for the bad guys. I do generally agree with Don about the modern stuff like Siri and Alexa. I go so far as to run a email user agent which doesn't interpret HTML. Using only basic text greatly reduces the attack surface on my computer. Also, not automatically following links in the email improves privacy. 73 Bill AE6JV On 10/18/19 at 7:54 PM, donw...@embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) wrote: If connection of the K4 to the internet is to be done, I have concerns about security and personal privacy. Even Linux is subject to bad stuff from the internet - it is not entirely secure, it is just that the number of users is small compared to other OS versions and hackers just do not bother for most cases. -- Bill Frantz| There are now so many exceptions to the 408-356-8506 | Fourth Amendment that it operates only by www.pwpconsult.com | accident. - William Hugh Murray __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Radio clocks, internet and security!
I certainly use the clock on my K3S. It is UTC while the computer is local time. The computer syncs to NTP servers. The K3 Utility makes it easy to update the clock as needed. I am very careful what and how I connect things to the internet. I will never have any of those things, Alexa or Siri or the like, that one talks to that turns on lights or plays music. I've a friend that presently writes code for security matters. He says he can hack into most of the computers on line. He writes code to prevent these types of occurrences for his clients. One of which is the US Government and Military. Other projects are to assure conference rooms do not contain "bugs". SDR receivers are great for this application. And another is weapons guidance systems and related anti-jamming code. I'll take his advice and be careful what I connect to the internet. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 10/18/2019 6:54 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: Chuck and all, How many actually use the clock in the K3, K3S, KX3 or KX2? I certainly don't. In the case of the KX3 it is used to time the charging of the internal batteries - good use. I can see a ham without a watch or cell phone to want the rig to display the time for logging, but for me, my good old Timex on my wrist tells me what time to log. The clock in my KX3 is more difficult to access than simply glancing at my wrist! I have never even set the clock in my K3 or KX3! Nor do I feel a need to do so. As far as the K4 Linux software/firmware being internet connected, I have my reservations about that. I have enough stuff connected to the internet, and someone will have to demonstrate the benefit of my ham radio being connected to the internet in addition to my computers. If connection of the K4 to the internet is to be done, I have concerns about security and personal privacy. Even Linux is subject to bad stuff from the internet - it is not entirely secure, it is just that the number of users is small compared to other OS versions and hackers just do not bother for most cases. When my refrigerator or microwave begins to listen in to my conversations, I begin to worry about the BIG Brother consequences. BTW, I do not have an Alexa or Siri device for those security reasons. I can easily use a switch on the wall to operate a light switch and it is secure. I can turn on my home theater or my computer AV application when I want to hear music or view videos. Call me old-fashioned, but I like to have control of my environment. The Internet Of Things seems to be fraught with exposures and dangers that I am not willing to accept. 73, Don W3FPR On 10/18/2019 2:03 PM, hawley, charles j jr wrote: Is a more accurate clock possible? I imagine that depends on available chips but it’s a common topic. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to rmcg...@blomand.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Radio clocks, internet and security!
Don, Plus you actually get exercise when you walk to your devices rather than rely on some software that does in fact invade your privacy. I am with you on this 100%. 72 & 73, Bill K9YEQ FT’er for K2, KX1, KX3, KXPA100, KAT500, W2, etc. -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Don Wilhelm Sent: Friday, October 18, 2019 6:55 PM To: hawley, charles j jr ; Wayne Burdick Cc: Elecraft Reflector ; elecraft...@groups.io Subject: [Elecraft] Radio clocks, internet and security! Chuck and all, How many actually use the clock in the K3, K3S, KX3 or KX2? I certainly don't. In the case of the KX3 it is used to time the charging of the internal batteries - good use. I can see a ham without a watch or cell phone to want the rig to display the time for logging, but for me, my good old Timex on my wrist tells me what time to log. The clock in my KX3 is more difficult to access than simply glancing at my wrist! I have never even set the clock in my K3 or KX3! Nor do I feel a need to do so. As far as the K4 Linux software/firmware being internet connected, I have my reservations about that. I have enough stuff connected to the internet, and someone will have to demonstrate the benefit of my ham radio being connected to the internet in addition to my computers. If connection of the K4 to the internet is to be done, I have concerns about security and personal privacy. Even Linux is subject to bad stuff from the internet - it is not entirely secure, it is just that the number of users is small compared to other OS versions and hackers just do not bother for most cases. When my refrigerator or microwave begins to listen in to my conversations, I begin to worry about the BIG Brother consequences. BTW, I do not have an Alexa or Siri device for those security reasons. I can easily use a switch on the wall to operate a light switch and it is secure. I can turn on my home theater or my computer AV application when I want to hear music or view videos. Call me old-fashioned, but I like to have control of my environment. The Internet Of Things seems to be fraught with exposures and dangers that I am not willing to accept. 73, Don W3FPR On 10/18/2019 2:03 PM, hawley, charles j jr wrote: > Is a more accurate clock possible? I imagine that depends on available chips > but it’s a common topic. > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k9...@live.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Radio clocks, internet and security!
You're old fashioned... Jack BMW Motorcycles Chuck KE9UW c-haw...@illinois.edu Sent from my iPad > On Oct 18, 2019, at 6:54 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > > Chuck and all, > > How many actually use the clock in the K3, K3S, KX3 or KX2? > I certainly don't. In the case of the KX3 it is used to time the charging of > the internal batteries - good use. > > I can see a ham without a watch or cell phone to want the rig to display the > time for logging, but for me, my good old Timex on my wrist tells me what > time to log. The clock in my KX3 is more difficult to access than simply > glancing at my wrist! > > I have never even set the clock in my K3 or KX3! Nor do I feel a need to do > so. > > As far as the K4 Linux software/firmware being internet connected, I have my > reservations about that. I have enough stuff connected to the internet, and > someone will have to demonstrate the benefit of my ham radio being connected > to the internet in addition to my computers. > > If connection of the K4 to the internet is to be done, I have concerns about > security and personal privacy. Even Linux is subject to bad stuff from the > internet - it is not entirely secure, it is just that the number of users is > small compared to other OS versions and hackers just do not bother for most > cases. > > When my refrigerator or microwave begins to listen in to my conversations, I > begin to worry about the BIG Brother consequences. > > BTW, I do not have an Alexa or Siri device for those security reasons. I can > easily use a switch on the wall to operate a light switch and it is secure. I > can turn on my home theater or my computer AV application when I want to hear > music or view videos. > > Call me old-fashioned, but I like to have control of my environment. The > Internet Of Things seems to be fraught with exposures and dangers that I am > not willing to accept. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > >> On 10/18/2019 2:03 PM, hawley, charles j jr wrote: >> Is a more accurate clock possible? I imagine that depends on available chips >> but it’s a common topic. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Radio clocks, internet and security!
A zillion years ago, I was maintaining some “groupware” for engineers at HP (Notesfiles). I was amazed to learn that some people used a different set of commands than I did. They found some bugs in those clearly superfluous commands. Despite their obviously mistaken approach to using the software, I fixed the bugs. :-) So, be open to different uses of a product. Me, I keep Pacific time on my watch and UTC on my KX3. I log my SOTA activations in UTC. I reset the KX3 clock before each activation. wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Oct 18, 2019, at 4:54 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > > Chuck and all, > > How many actually use the clock in the K3, K3S, KX3 or KX2? > I certainly don't. In the case of the KX3 it is used to time the charging of > the internal batteries - good use. > > I can see a ham without a watch or cell phone to want the rig to display the > time for logging, but for me, my good old Timex on my wrist tells me what > time to log. The clock in my KX3 is more difficult to access than simply > glancing at my wrist! > > I have never even set the clock in my K3 or KX3! Nor do I feel a need to do > so. > > As far as the K4 Linux software/firmware being internet connected, I have my > reservations about that. I have enough stuff connected to the internet, and > someone will have to demonstrate the benefit of my ham radio being connected > to the internet in addition to my computers. > > If connection of the K4 to the internet is to be done, I have concerns about > security and personal privacy. Even Linux is subject to bad stuff from the > internet - it is not entirely secure, it is just that the number of users is > small compared to other OS versions and hackers just do not bother for most > cases. > > When my refrigerator or microwave begins to listen in to my conversations, I > begin to worry about the BIG Brother consequences. > > BTW, I do not have an Alexa or Siri device for those security reasons. I can > easily use a switch on the wall to operate a light switch and it is secure. I > can turn on my home theater or my computer AV application when I want to hear > music or view videos. > > Call me old-fashioned, but I like to have control of my environment. The > Internet Of Things seems to be fraught with exposures and dangers that I am > not willing to accept. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 10/18/2019 2:03 PM, hawley, charles j jr wrote: >> Is a more accurate clock possible? I imagine that depends on available chips >> but it’s a common topic. > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wun...@wunderwood.org __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Elecraft] Radio clocks, internet and security!
Chuck and all, How many actually use the clock in the K3, K3S, KX3 or KX2? I certainly don't. In the case of the KX3 it is used to time the charging of the internal batteries - good use. I can see a ham without a watch or cell phone to want the rig to display the time for logging, but for me, my good old Timex on my wrist tells me what time to log. The clock in my KX3 is more difficult to access than simply glancing at my wrist! I have never even set the clock in my K3 or KX3! Nor do I feel a need to do so. As far as the K4 Linux software/firmware being internet connected, I have my reservations about that. I have enough stuff connected to the internet, and someone will have to demonstrate the benefit of my ham radio being connected to the internet in addition to my computers. If connection of the K4 to the internet is to be done, I have concerns about security and personal privacy. Even Linux is subject to bad stuff from the internet - it is not entirely secure, it is just that the number of users is small compared to other OS versions and hackers just do not bother for most cases. When my refrigerator or microwave begins to listen in to my conversations, I begin to worry about the BIG Brother consequences. BTW, I do not have an Alexa or Siri device for those security reasons. I can easily use a switch on the wall to operate a light switch and it is secure. I can turn on my home theater or my computer AV application when I want to hear music or view videos. Call me old-fashioned, but I like to have control of my environment. The Internet Of Things seems to be fraught with exposures and dangers that I am not willing to accept. 73, Don W3FPR On 10/18/2019 2:03 PM, hawley, charles j jr wrote: Is a more accurate clock possible? I imagine that depends on available chips but it’s a common topic. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
