Re: [Elecraft] TRANSLATION: K3 Subreceiver Status Update (KRX3 option)
Dave I agree that the delay in deliver is disappointing. I have a second receiver on order too. I also am disappointed by the lack of maturity of the firmware. HOWEVER - I have a K3 (#70) and it is a joy to use. What it does, it does VERY well and I still believe that the remaining features will be implemented and operating annoyances fixed. WRT to eham reviews of the OMNI VII I'm sure the OMNI VII is a fine piece of gear. The K3, OMNI VII and Flex 5000 are all interesting, innovative products with many 5 star ratings. You might visit the Ten-Tec OMNI VII Yahoo group. I believe that you may see similar concerns about that product. I wouldn't be surprised to hear the Flex has it's own issues. I've been involved with programming and new RF product development for 35 years. The only rule that consistently applies is Hofstadter's Law: It always takes longer than you expect, even when you take into account Hofstadter's Law Bob KD8CGH KX1, K2, K3, ... ? -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/TRANSLATION%3A-K3-Subreceiver-Status-Update-%28KRX3-option%29-tp14946083p14949794.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] TRANSLATION: K3 Subreceiver Status Update (KRX3 option)
Barry N1EU wrote: Dave, I also find the K3 subrx delay a real bummer that may impact my purchase timing. But as far as your proposition that The Ten Tec Omni VII . . . may be a worthy and fully developed competitor, are you REALLY buying that? I guess worthiness (not to mention fully developed) totally depends on the context of comparison and how quickly you're apt to butt up against the radio's limitations. In tough band condx, I don't think it would be much of a comparison. In addition to performance (e.g. 10-15 dB IMDDR3), there's a difference in cost. I would configure the K3 as a competitor to Omni VII as follows: Omni VII (no ATU) - $2650 600 Hz CW filter- 99 Total $2749 K3/100 (no ATU) - $1989 (assembled) KXV3 (for RX ANT) - 79 500 Hz CW filter- 79 Total $2147 (assembled...less $240 if kitted) The Omni VII has no Sub-RX and never will. The K3 will eventually have one with roughly equivalent performance as its Main. Is the O7's scope worth another $600 (assembled K3) or $840 (kitted K3)? Not in my opinion, but 10-15 dB IMD difference would be worth it to me even if the prices were reversed! 73, Bill W4ZV -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/TRANSLATION%3A-K3-Subreceiver-Status-Update-%28KRX3-option%29-tp14946083p14949373.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] TRANSLATION: K3 Subreceiver Status Update (KRX3 option)
Barry N1EU wrote: Dave, I also find the K3 subrx delay a real bummer that may impact my purchase timing. But as far as your proposition that The Ten Tec Omni VII . . . may be a worthy and fully developed competitor, are you REALLY buying that? I guess worthiness (not to mention fully developed) totally depends on the context of comparison and how quickly you're apt to butt up against the radio's limitations. In tough band condx, I don't think it would be much of a comparison. The K3 also has a 5.0 review rating at eHam. What does that prove? Like you, I am disappointed at the amount of promised features still to be delivered. It takes the shine out of owning a new K3 just a bit. If I was going to write a review at eHam, I'd give it only a 4 just because of that. But do I regret buying it? No. And when those features eventually come, I'll still be ahead of all those who held off buying until they were ready. - Julian, G4ILO K2 s/n: 392 K3 s/n: 222 G4ILO's Shack: www.g4ilo.com Zerobeat Ham Forums: www.zerobeat.net/smf -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/TRANSLATION%3A-K3-Subreceiver-Status-Update-%28KRX3-option%29-tp14946083p14949372.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] TRANSLATION: K3 Subreceiver Status Update (KRX3 option)
Dave, I also find the K3 subrx delay a real bummer that may impact my purchase timing. But as far as your proposition that The Ten Tec Omni VII . . . may be a worthy and fully developed competitor, are you REALLY buying that? I guess worthiness (not to mention fully developed) totally depends on the context of comparison and how quickly you're apt to butt up against the radio's limitations. In tough band condx, I don't think it would be much of a comparison. 73, Barry N1EU David and Dianne on Comcast wrote: Hi Everyone, The delay of the second receiver option is to me both highly regrettable and somewhat deceptive. I, for one, based my purchase decision greatly on this option being ready for prime time which is obviously was not and apparently will not be any time soon. Production delays are forgivable and understandable but discovering that this option which is touted as a big-time feature but is really no where near ready is confidence deflating. I have been personally patient waiting for my K3 (as are many others) and occasionally publicly supportive on this list of the delays that Elecraft has been experiencing. Now we discover that a MAJOR K3 feature is no where near production ready, if even designed at this time. Come on As for me, I'm reassessing my purchase decision and may wait until the K3 project has matured. I have bought lots of transceivers over the years and this was to be the first I ever considered buying in its first year. I now wondering if I should still make that exception. The Ten Tec Omni VII has a 5.0 Review rating out of 25 reviews on Eham and may be a worthy and fully developed competitor. Very disappointed in all of this. Elecraft does a lot of great things but this one was really lame. Flame away. I could care less. My $.02 73 de N1LQ-Dave ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/TRANSLATION%3A-K3-Subreceiver-Status-Update-%28KRX3-option%29-tp14946083p14949164.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] TRANSLATION: K3 Subreceiver Status Update (KRX3 option)
Hi all, I have tried to stay out of the noise on this but I felt I had to comment. I know the delay in the 2nd Receiver is frustrating but I think the fact that one of the owners of the company will mail the list to say that they are reworking because they are not happy with the result is fantastic! It would have been so easy to simply release it 'as is'. However, they have decided it is not up to the standard they were looking for. I cannot think of another company so committed to quality. I would much rather wait and get a great product. On the subject of the Omni VII, in my opinion it is not an Omni at all, it is a Jupiter. VHF first IF etc. The Omni VII was a far better radio IMHO. You may have different opinions of course :-) I am sure if the gentleman who is thinking about cancelling his K3 order were to ask, there would be plenty of people looking for his place in the queue ;-) 73 Ian -- Ian J Maude, G0VGS SysOp GB7MBC DX Cluster Member RSGB, GQRP K2 #4044 |K3 #? ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] TRANSLATION: K3 Subreceiver Status Update (KRX3
N1LQ-Dave wrote: The Ten Tec Omni VII has a 5.0 Review rating out of 25 reviews on Eham and may be a worthy and fully developed competitor. -- Dave I have an OMNI VII and am very pleased with it, I particularly like TenTec radios, I've got to really like the scope display,having had a PRO III and ORION II before. However, I don't think you will be able to compare the OMNI VII to the K3. They are different radios. The K3 looks in my opinion to be unbeatable and will become the Top radio in 2008. I'm looking forward to reading the ARRL and RSGB reviews eventually. 73 Rob G3RCE K2 #5219, Fists 12517 --- ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] TRANSLATION: K3 Subreceiver Status Update (KRX3 option)
For fun, I thought I'd provide an East Coast translation of this recent announcement from Elecraft. -- As Rodney Dangerfield would say tough crowd - tough crowd! There is probably a fair amount of truth in Steve's humorous comments, but I balance them against what the Elecraft guys have on the table today. They offer several product lines that operate at the top of the specifications charts, without a revolving door to a huge service desk, there's immediate attention to each user on any specific product issue, and at a price that undercuts the competition. I'm resigned that the highest cost of accepting Elecraft production model is time, and have planned accordingly. It's still painful, all this waiting. But with respect to the subreceiver it beats a weird alice design w/marginal isolation pushed out early. You might expect that in some of the competing manufacturing models. YMMV (your milage may vary). de wb8yqj [Elecraft] TRANSLATION: K3 Subreceiver Status Update (KRX3 option) Steve Sacco NN4X nn4x at embarqmail.com Thu Jan 17 10:58:47 EST 2008 Previous message: [Elecraft] Err TXF Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] For fun, I thought I'd provide an East Coast translation of this recent announcement from Elecraft. Enjoy! 73, Steve NN4X EL98jh Message: 38 Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 10:18:06 -0800 From: wayne burdick n6kr at elecraft.com Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Subreceiver Status Update (KRX3 option) To: Elecraft Reflector elecraft at mailman.qth.net Message-ID: 6cc130c50266a27a945ae9276b85b9d1 at elecraft.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed I wanted to give those who've ordered a K3 subreceiver a status update. First, thanks for your patience; I realize the subreceiver has been significantly delayed. (This is also pushing out the DVR. Lyle, KK7P and I are collaborating on the PCBs and firmware for both units.) TRANSLATION: We've been stringing everyone along for, what...9 months or so? We promised that very useful KRX3 option, and we're pretty sure that more than a few folks have ordered the K3 based upon the existence that option. THANKS for buying our sales puffery! Unfortunately, we can't manage to bury the truth any longer. Here's the deal: We're nowhere close to being ready on the KRX3. When we release a product, it has to meet a number of criteria. Raw performance by traditional measures is just one of these. Fortunately the subreceiver has met our expectations in this regard, with dynamic range virtually identical to that of the main. TRANSLATION: blah blah blah blah...this is filler to divert your attention...let's hope they take the bait. But there are two other requirements that we must meet: excellent mutual isolation between the main and receivers, and ease of installation. Recently, we made the difficult decision that both must be improved. Isolation between the receivers is critical to usability. For example, if you're listening to an extremely strong signal on one receiver, none of it should leak into the other's I.F. After extensive testing, we concluded that we were close, but needed more isolation. Regarding installation: Someone with no experience should be able to install or remove the subreceiver without much difficulty. The present installation process is just a bit too complex once all other modules and their associated cables are in place; the left side, chassis stiffener, and several cables have to be removed. This has a secondary effect, which is to make it very time-consuming to change crystal filters on either receiver. We felt that we should improve this now, before all fabrications were cast in stone. TRANSLATION: Our first cut at a design, and the prototypes we've put together from that, don't work very well. We've tried and tried, but they just don't. Both isolation and installation can be improved with changes to our original KRX3 PCB layout. I'm working on this now. Once the PC board and shield designs are complete, we'll quickly build first articles and run them through all of the tests again. TRANSLATION: We're doing a major re-design. Next come the prototypes and testing. No idea when it'll be ready. I'm confident that these improvements will allow the subreceiver to live up to your expectations as well as ours. We'll post further updates as we make progress. TRANSLATION: We hope you'll latch onto this part of the spin, and not think about how we've (once again) made promises we couldn't keep, and didn't let you know until we couldn't explain it away anymore. (I know, I know -- Stop rambling and get back to work!) TRANSLATION: Let's hope the cute signoff will take the edge off of any anger that we haven't managed to nullify with the earlier part of the announcement. _._. _ _.._ nn4x at embarqmail.com
[Elecraft] TRANSLATION: K3 Subreceiver Status Update (KRX3 option)
For fun, I thought I'd provide an East Coast translation of this recent announcement from Elecraft. Enjoy! 73, Steve NN4X EL98jh Message: 38 Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 10:18:06 -0800 From: wayne burdick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Subreceiver Status Update (KRX3 option) To: Elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed I wanted to give those who've ordered a K3 subreceiver a status update. First, thanks for your patience; I realize the subreceiver has been significantly delayed. (This is also pushing out the DVR. Lyle, KK7P and I are collaborating on the PCBs and firmware for both units.) TRANSLATION: We've been stringing everyone along for, what...9 months or so? We promised that very useful KRX3 option, and we're pretty sure that more than a few folks have ordered the K3 based upon the existence that option. THANKS for buying our sales puffery! Unfortunately, we can't manage to bury the truth any longer. Here's the deal: We're nowhere close to being ready on the KRX3. When we release a product, it has to meet a number of criteria. Raw performance by traditional measures is just one of these. Fortunately the subreceiver has met our expectations in this regard, with dynamic range virtually identical to that of the main. TRANSLATION: blah blah blah blah...this is filler to divert your attention...let's hope they take the bait. But there are two other requirements that we must meet: excellent mutual isolation between the main and receivers, and ease of installation. Recently, we made the difficult decision that both must be improved. Isolation between the receivers is critical to usability. For example, if you're listening to an extremely strong signal on one receiver, none of it should leak into the other's I.F. After extensive testing, we concluded that we were close, but needed more isolation. Regarding installation: Someone with no experience should be able to install or remove the subreceiver without much difficulty. The present installation process is just a bit too complex once all other modules and their associated cables are in place; the left side, chassis stiffener, and several cables have to be removed. This has a secondary effect, which is to make it very time-consuming to change crystal filters on either receiver. We felt that we should improve this now, before all fabrications were cast in stone. TRANSLATION: Our first cut at a design, and the prototypes we've put together from that, don't work very well. We've tried and tried, but they just don't. Both isolation and installation can be improved with changes to our original KRX3 PCB layout. I'm working on this now. Once the PC board and shield designs are complete, we'll quickly build first articles and run them through all of the tests again. TRANSLATION: We're doing a major re-design. Next come the prototypes and testing. No idea when it'll be ready. I'm confident that these improvements will allow the subreceiver to live up to your expectations as well as ours. We'll post further updates as we make progress. TRANSLATION: We hope you'll latch onto this part of the spin, and not think about how we've (once again) made promises we couldn't keep, and didn't let you know until we couldn't explain it away anymore. (I know, I know -- Stop rambling and get back to work!) TRANSLATION: Let's hope the cute signoff will take the edge off of any anger that we haven't managed to nullify with the earlier part of the announcement. _._. _ _.._ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] TRANSLATION: K3 Subreceiver Status Update (KRX3 option)
I would be interested in hearing from the Beta testers if any of them had the option in their hands for testing and a run down on the performance problems they may have seen. I plan to use my K-3 for contesting/dxing so the sub rx is an important option. (I'd like to have somewhat the same capability my MKV had with the K-3). Second question for the contest types on the list, what filters have you chosen for your K-3. You can respond direct if you like unless the info is viewed to be enough of general interest. Thanks Mike/aj9c Don Rasmussen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For fun, I thought I'd provide an East Coast translation of this recent announcement from Elecraft. -- As Rodney Dangerfield would say tough crowd - tough crowd! There is probably a fair amount of truth in Steve's humorous comments, but I balance them against what the Elecraft guys have on the table today. They offer several product lines that operate at the top of the specifications charts, without a revolving door to a huge service desk, there's immediate attention to each user on any specific product issue, and at a price that undercuts the competition. I'm resigned that the highest cost of accepting Elecraft production model is time, and have planned accordingly. It's still painful, all this waiting. But with respect to the subreceiver it beats a weird alice design w/marginal isolation pushed out early. You might expect that in some of the competing manufacturing models. YMMV (your milage may vary). de wb8yqj [Elecraft] TRANSLATION: K3 Subreceiver Status Update (KRX3 option) Steve Sacco NN4X nn4x at embarqmail.com Thu Jan 17 10:58:47 EST 2008 Previous message: [Elecraft] Err TXF Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] For fun, I thought I'd provide an East Coast translation of this recent announcement from Elecraft. Enjoy! 73, Steve NN4X EL98jh Message: 38 Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 10:18:06 -0800 From: wayne burdick n6kr at elecraft.com Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Subreceiver Status Update (KRX3 option) To: Elecraft Reflector elecraft at mailman.qth.net Message-ID: 6cc130c50266a27a945ae9276b85b9d1 at elecraft.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed I wanted to give those who've ordered a K3 subreceiver a status update. First, thanks for your patience; I realize the subreceiver has been significantly delayed. (This is also pushing out the DVR. Lyle, KK7P and I are collaborating on the PCBs and firmware for both units.) TRANSLATION: We've been stringing everyone along for, what...9 months or so? We promised that very useful KRX3 option, and we're pretty sure that more than a few folks have ordered the K3 based upon the existence that option. THANKS for buying our sales puffery! Unfortunately, we can't manage to bury the truth any longer. Here's the deal: We're nowhere close to being ready on the KRX3. When we release a product, it has to meet a number of criteria. Raw performance by traditional measures is just one of these. Fortunately the subreceiver has met our expectations in this regard, with dynamic range virtually identical to that of the main. TRANSLATION: blah blah blah blah...this is filler to divert your attention...let's hope they take the bait. But there are two other requirements that we must meet: excellent mutual isolation between the main and receivers, and ease of installation. Recently, we made the difficult decision that both must be improved. Isolation between the receivers is critical to usability. For example, if you're listening to an extremely strong signal on one receiver, none of it should leak into the other's I.F. After extensive testing, we concluded that we were close, but needed more isolation. Regarding installation: Someone with no experience should be able to install or remove the subreceiver without much difficulty. The present installation process is just a bit too complex once all other modules and their associated cables are in place; the left side, chassis stiffener, and several cables have to be removed. This has a secondary effect, which is to make it very time-consuming to change crystal filters on either receiver. We felt that we should improve this now, before all fabrications were cast in stone. TRANSLATION: Our first cut at a design, and the prototypes we've put together from that, don't work very well. We've tried and tried, but they just don't. Both isolation and installation can be improved with changes to our original KRX3 PCB layout. I'm working on this now. Once the PC board and shield designs are complete, we'll quickly build first articles and run them through all of the tests again. TRANSLATION: We're doing a major re-design
Re: [Elecraft] TRANSLATION: K3 Subreceiver Status Update (KRX3 option)
Mike: Other than possibly Lyle, KK7P, and of course Wayne, I know NO other FTs who have seven SEEN the KRX3 yet... we're waiting just as everyone else is. For my K3 contesting, I'm using the 400 Hz CW filter, but I'll probably buy the 1.8Khz (SSB), and 1kHz (CW) filters in time. Actually, I'm kinda waiting to see what comes of the proposed 'programmable' filters which might well replace any 'extra' filters I'd want to buy. 73, Tom N0SS At 11:26 01/17/2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would be interested in hearing from the Beta testers if any of them had the option in their hands for testing and a run down on the performance problems they may have seen. I plan to use my K-3 for contesting/dxing so the sub rx is an important option. (I'd like to have somewhat the same capability my MKV had with the K-3). Second question for the contest types on the list, what filters have you chosen for your K-3. You can respond direct if you like unless the info is viewed to be enough of general interest. Thanks Mike/aj9c Don Rasmussen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For fun, I thought I'd provide an East Coast translation of this recent announcement from Elecraft. -- As Rodney Dangerfield would say tough crowd - tough crowd! There is probably a fair amount of truth in Steve's humorous comments, but I balance them against what the Elecraft guys have on the table today. They offer several product lines that operate at the top of the specifications charts, without a revolving door to a huge service desk, there's immediate attention to each user on any specific product issue, and at a price that undercuts the competition. I'm resigned that the highest cost of accepting Elecraft production model is time, and have planned accordingly. It's still painful, all this waiting. But with respect to the subreceiver it beats a weird alice design w/marginal isolation pushed out early. You might expect that in some of the competing manufacturing models. YMMV (your milage may vary). de wb8yqj [Elecraft] TRANSLATION: K3 Subreceiver Status Update (KRX3 option) Steve Sacco NN4X nn4x at embarqmail.com Thu Jan 17 10:58:47 EST 2008 Previous message: [Elecraft] Err TXF Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] For fun, I thought I'd provide an East Coast translation of this recent announcement from Elecraft. Enjoy! 73, Steve NN4X EL98jh Message: 38 Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 10:18:06 -0800 From: wayne burdick n6kr at elecraft.com Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Subreceiver Status Update (KRX3 option) To: Elecraft Reflector elecraft at mailman.qth.net Message-ID: 6cc130c50266a27a945ae9276b85b9d1 at elecraft.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed I wanted to give those who've ordered a K3 subreceiver a status update. First, thanks for your patience; I realize the subreceiver has been significantly delayed. (This is also pushing out the DVR. Lyle, KK7P and I are collaborating on the PCBs and firmware for both units.) TRANSLATION: We've been stringing everyone along for, what...9 months or so? We promised that very useful KRX3 option, and we're pretty sure that more than a few folks have ordered the K3 based upon the existence that option. THANKS for buying our sales puffery! Unfortunately, we can't manage to bury the truth any longer. Here's the deal: We're nowhere close to being ready on the KRX3. When we release a product, it has to meet a number of criteria. Raw performance by traditional measures is just one of these. Fortunately the subreceiver has met our expectations in this regard, with dynamic range virtually identical to that of the main. TRANSLATION: blah blah blah blah...this is filler to divert your attention...let's hope they take the bait. But there are two other requirements that we must meet: excellent mutual isolation between the main and receivers, and ease of installation. Recently, we made the difficult decision that both must be improved. Isolation between the receivers is critical to usability. For example, if you're listening to an extremely strong signal on one receiver, none of it should leak into the other's I.F. After extensive testing, we concluded that we were close, but needed more isolation. Regarding installation: Someone with no experience should be able to install or remove the subreceiver without much difficulty. The present installation process is just a bit too complex once all other modules and their associated cables are in place; the left side, chassis stiffener, and several cables have to be removed. This has a secondary effect, which is to make it very time-consuming to change crystal filters on either receiver. We felt that we should improve this now, before all fabrications were cast in stone. TRANSLATION
Re: [Elecraft] TRANSLATION: K3 Subreceiver Status Update (KRX3 option)
Steve Sacco NN4X wrote: For fun, I thought I'd provide an East Coast translation of this recent announcement from Elecraft. I left the East Coast 37 years ago for sunny California. I don't miss digging my car out in the morning and then getting yelled at for being late to work, or the general cynicism and impatience that characterized (and apparently still characterizes) so many of the inhabitants. Just like that big wave, the KRX3 will arrive when it does, dude. (fade out Beach Boys music...) -- 73, Vic, K2VCO Fresno CA http://www.qsl.net/k2vco ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] TRANSLATION: K3 Subreceiver Status Update (KRX3 option)
Hi Everyone, The delay of the second receiver option is to me both highly regrettable and somewhat deceptive. I, for one, based my purchase decision greatly on this option being ready for prime time which is obviously was not and apparently will not be any time soon. Production delays are forgivable and understandable but discovering that this option which is touted as a big-time feature but is really no where near ready is confidence deflating. I have been personally patient waiting for my K3 (as are many others) and occasionally publicly supportive on this list of the delays that Elecraft has been experiencing. Now we discover that a MAJOR K3 feature is no where near production ready, if even designed at this time. Come on As for me, I'm reassessing my purchase decision and may wait until the K3 project has matured. I have bought lots of transceivers over the years and this was to be the first I ever considered buying in its first year. I now wondering if I should still make that exception. The Ten Tec Omni VII has a 5.0 Review rating out of 25 reviews on Eham and may be a worthy and fully developed competitor. Very disappointed in all of this. Elecraft does a lot of great things but this one was really lame. Flame away. I could care less. My $.02 73 de N1LQ-Dave ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] TRANSLATION: K3 Subreceiver Status Update (KRX3 option)
I doubt you'll get any chuckles from the majority of list readers. Probably just the opposite. I do not believe that Wayne's emails need any translation. John K8WDN K3 #157 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Sacco NN4X Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 10:59 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] TRANSLATION: K3 Subreceiver Status Update (KRX3 option) For fun, I thought I'd provide an East Coast translation of this recent announcement from Elecraft. Enjoy! 73, Steve NN4X EL98jh Message: 38 Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 10:18:06 -0800 From: wayne burdick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Subreceiver Status Update (KRX3 option) To: Elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed I wanted to give those who've ordered a K3 subreceiver a status update. First, thanks for your patience; I realize the subreceiver has been significantly delayed. (This is also pushing out the DVR. Lyle, KK7P and I are collaborating on the PCBs and firmware for both units.) TRANSLATION: We've been stringing everyone along for, what...9 months or so? We promised that very useful KRX3 option, and we're pretty sure that more than a few folks have ordered the K3 based upon the existence that option. THANKS for buying our sales puffery! Unfortunately, we can't manage to bury the truth any longer. Here's the deal: We're nowhere close to being ready on the KRX3. When we release a product, it has to meet a number of criteria. Raw performance by traditional measures is just one of these. Fortunately the subreceiver has met our expectations in this regard, with dynamic range virtually identical to that of the main. TRANSLATION: blah blah blah blah...this is filler to divert your attention...let's hope they take the bait. But there are two other requirements that we must meet: excellent mutual isolation between the main and receivers, and ease of installation. Recently, we made the difficult decision that both must be improved. Isolation between the receivers is critical to usability. For example, if you're listening to an extremely strong signal on one receiver, none of it should leak into the other's I.F. After extensive testing, we concluded that we were close, but needed more isolation. Regarding installation: Someone with no experience should be able to install or remove the subreceiver without much difficulty. The present installation process is just a bit too complex once all other modules and their associated cables are in place; the left side, chassis stiffener, and several cables have to be removed. This has a secondary effect, which is to make it very time-consuming to change crystal filters on either receiver. We felt that we should improve this now, before all fabrications were cast in stone. TRANSLATION: Our first cut at a design, and the prototypes we've put together from that, don't work very well. We've tried and tried, but they just don't. Both isolation and installation can be improved with changes to our original KRX3 PCB layout. I'm working on this now. Once the PC board and shield designs are complete, we'll quickly build first articles and run them through all of the tests again. TRANSLATION: We're doing a major re-design. Next come the prototypes and testing. No idea when it'll be ready. I'm confident that these improvements will allow the subreceiver to live up to your expectations as well as ours. We'll post further updates as we make progress. TRANSLATION: We hope you'll latch onto this part of the spin, and not think about how we've (once again) made promises we couldn't keep, and didn't let you know until we couldn't explain it away anymore. (I know, I know -- Stop rambling and get back to work!) TRANSLATION: Let's hope the cute signoff will take the edge off of any anger that we haven't managed to nullify with the earlier part of the announcement. _._. _ _.._ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
