Re: [Elecraft] Why did I purchase this antenna for the KX3?
I found this antenna shootout done in 2002 by the HFPacker group I'm a member of http://hfpack.com/antennas/shootoutreport2002.html This should give someone a good idea on the performance to be expected by a portable antenna setup. Before I retired I used to run QRP portable with an 817 from hotel rooms around the country, so I have years of experience with small antennas in hotel rooms. Before I retired, and when the last solar cycle ended I switched over to remoting and never looked back. The small antenna thing was just too painful for me anymore. 73 Jeff kb2m -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of David Gilbert Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 0:45 AM To: Andrew Moore Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Why did I purchase this antenna for the KX3? I never said that Philip shouldn't enjoy what he has. But he did encourage others to buy that antenna, and that's the part to which I take exception. It simply is not comparable in performance-versus-cost-versus-portability to other options. And those manufacturers claims that you don't care about are what lots of other people base their buying decisions upon. QRP is fun ... I used to do a lot of it. Using simple gear is fun, too ... I used to do a lot of that as well. But I would never try to talk somebody into spending $130 for a poor approach to either. Dave AB7E On 11/29/2012 7:37 PM, Andrew Moore wrote: I have no idea what this Miracle Whip is or what it cost, but if Philip gained that much enjoyment from it and encouraged others, sounds like he wins. --Andrew On Nov 29, 2012, at 9:16 PM, David Gilbert xda...@cis-broadband.com wrote: I personally would not call paying $130 for a base loaded five foot whip without a counterpoise to be a minimalist approach, but to each his own. If you want to intentionally put limits on the gear it would be far cheaper (as well as more effective) to hang simply an appropriate length of #24 wire on the wall with masking tape. And I still say that the manufacturer's claims are ridiculous ... read them yourself if you don't believe me. Dave AB7E __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Why did I purchase this antenna for the KX3?
By minimalist I'm referring not to the price, but to the construction of the antenna, if it's what people say it is. I'm not saying people should run out and buy one; my point (and only point) is Philip had (and enjoyed) success with something others are quick to dismiss as junk. As Philip said, I encourage others to do the same. Not saying you have to spend $130 :) 73, --Andrew, NV1B .. On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 9:16 PM, David Gilbert xda...@cis-broadband.comwrote: I personally would not call paying $130 for a base loaded five foot whip without a counterpoise to be a minimalist approach, but to each his own. If you want to intentionally put limits on the gear it would be far cheaper (as well as more effective) to hang simply an appropriate length of #24 wire on the wall with masking tape. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Why did I purchase this antenna for the KX3?
* On 2012 30 Nov 01:13 -0600, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: The rest of the fraternity wince at seeing them spend dollars for something that can be done for pennies. Ironically, in other internet forums the same logic seems to be applied to those seeking more information about Elecraft products. While I know of no instance where Elecraft exagerates their products' performance (in fact, I would submit that Elecraft advertizing is often understated), there are those who do admonish from a misplaced higher value of frugality, IMO. 73, de Nate, N0NB -- The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true. Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://www.n0nb.us __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Why did I purchase this antenna for the KX3?
BUT, if whatever particular portable antenna you choose is sufficiently efficient for you, who am I to argue with your choice. Absolutely right..I submitted my original comment as an actual *user* of the Miracle Whip antenna who could describe my own personal experience with it, rather than speculate negatively. It is all about the Amateur Radio operator's needs, I too have a full size 80 metre dipole at home and when in the shack will use this as my main base antenna. However, I also have a 2 metre high Sandpiper HV6+3 HF vertical which I use because I live in an area with restrictions on antennas, so no huge beams for me any more since 2009. The miracle whip was purchased by me as an operational requirement for my 'Pedestrian Mobile' operation i.e. on the move whilst walking and also being discreet. I found it also was ideal for packing on holiday due to its telescopic nature and very quick to deploy even on the beach! I do also use even smaller HF aerials on my car, such as the Australian Outbacker Stealth plus at only 90cm long (3 feet) with sufficiently good enough results! Likewise my Yaesu ATAS 120 is not much longer and I work lots on that too. So come on guys I am not trying to encourage anyone to buy any particular antenna, I am just providing my findings and if you want the full detail please visit my website at http://www.qsl.net/g0isw http://www.qsl.net/g0isw where you can see lots more. The Elecraft KX-3 is a wonderful transceiver and I intend to operate it with lots of different antennas to suit the circumstances :-) -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Why-did-I-purchase-this-antenna-for-the-KX3-tp7346180p7566498.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Why did I purchase this antenna for the KX3?
True. We don't know what his limitations are, as far as erecting a suitable antenna. And, as the saying goes, A compromise antenna is better than a cold radio. 73 de Jim - AD6CW On 11/29/2012 6:37 PM, Andrew Moore wrote: I have no idea what this Miracle Whip is or what it cost, but if Philip gained that much enjoyment from it and encouraged others, sounds like he wins. --Andrew __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Why did I purchase this antenna for the KX3?
You may be surprised with the results. My Miracle Whip antenna was used by me extensively on holiday in France with a Yaesu FT-817 and I was working all over Europe on it with 5 Watts on SSB speech. My best DX with the Miracle whip was indoors from home on 14 MHz when I worked Venezuela in South America again with 5 Watts SSB speech. Hope that encourages you to use it. 73 de Philip G0ISW http://www.qsl.net/g0isw -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Why-did-I-purchase-this-antenna-for-the-KX3-tp7346180p7566453.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Why did I purchase this antenna for the KX3?
I sincerely hope nobody takes you seriously. It may radiate something, but the manufacturer's claims for this antenna are simply ridiculous. Dave AB7E On 11/29/2012 3:07 PM, Philip G0ISW wrote: You may be surprised with the results. My Miracle Whip antenna was used by me extensively on holiday in France with a Yaesu FT-817 and I was working all over Europe on it with 5 Watts on SSB speech. My best DX with the Miracle whip was indoors from home on 14 MHz when I worked Venezuela in South America again with 5 Watts SSB speech. Hope that encourages you to use it. 73 de Philip G0ISW http://www.qsl.net/g0isw __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Why did I purchase this antenna for the KX3?
Didn't I see an allband DC to Daylight portable antenna for sale in the 60-70's. It did infact radiate, but oh my the eff numbers were that of a dummy load. You can't fool mother nature and physics. Mel --- On Thu, 11/29/12, David Gilbert xda...@cis-broadband.com wrote: From: David Gilbert xda...@cis-broadband.com Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Why did I purchase this antenna for the KX3? To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Date: Thursday, November 29, 2012, 2:25 PM I sincerely hope nobody takes you seriously. It may radiate something, but the manufacturer's claims for this antenna are simply ridiculous. Dave AB7E On 11/29/2012 3:07 PM, Philip G0ISW wrote: You may be surprised with the results. My Miracle Whip antenna was used by me extensively on holiday in France with a Yaesu FT-817 and I was working all over Europe on it with 5 Watts on SSB speech. My best DX with the Miracle whip was indoors from home on 14 MHz when I worked Venezuela in South America again with 5 Watts SSB speech. Hope that encourages you to use it. 73 de Philip G0ISW http://www.qsl.net/g0isw __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Why did I purchase this antenna for the KX3?
Actually there was a loop advertised and reviewed by QST as an antenna that works and had a very good flat SWR. Turns out it had a 50ohm resistor across the connector sealed inside. 73, Tim Herrick, KQ8M Charter Member North Coast Contesters k...@kq8m.com AR-Cluster V6 kq8m.no-ip.org User Ports: 23, 7373 with local skimmer, 7374 without local skimmer Server Ports: V6 3607, V4 Active 3605, V4 Passive 3606 -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Mel Farrer Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 5:38 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net; David Gilbert Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Why did I purchase this antenna for the KX3? Didn't I see an allband DC to Daylight portable antenna for sale in the 60-70's. It did infact radiate, but oh my the eff numbers were that of a dummy load. You can't fool mother nature and physics. Mel --- On Thu, 11/29/12, David Gilbert xda...@cis-broadband.com wrote: From: David Gilbert xda...@cis-broadband.com Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Why did I purchase this antenna for the KX3? To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Date: Thursday, November 29, 2012, 2:25 PM I sincerely hope nobody takes you seriously. It may radiate something, but the manufacturer's claims for this antenna are simply ridiculous. Dave AB7E On 11/29/2012 3:07 PM, Philip G0ISW wrote: You may be surprised with the results. My Miracle Whip antenna was used by me extensively on holiday in France with a Yaesu FT-817 and I was working all over Europe on it with 5 Watts on SSB speech. My best DX with the Miracle whip was indoors from home on 14 MHz when I worked Venezuela in South America again with 5 Watts SSB speech. Hope that encourages you to use it. 73 de Philip G0ISW http://www.qsl.net/g0isw __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Why did I purchase this antenna for the KX3?
Mel, My favorite antenna is a 10W 50 Ohm resistor. I can contact my other stations in the shack :-). Then I use my full dipoles and loop for all the other outside the shack contacts. They work extremely well. For portable I do resort to shortened antennas, the best being those non resonant with good counter-poises and last but my favorites so far: loaded whips. I have a project on the side to develop a portable whip, super lightweight, to mount directly to the KX3. Too little time, too much work. 73, Bill K9YEQ -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Mel Farrer Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 4:38 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net; David Gilbert Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Why did I purchase this antenna for the KX3? Didn't I see an allband DC to Daylight portable antenna for sale in the 60-70's. It did infact radiate, but oh my the eff numbers were that of a dummy load. You can't fool mother nature and physics. Mel --- On Thu, 11/29/12, David Gilbert xda...@cis-broadband.com wrote: From: David Gilbert xda...@cis-broadband.com Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Why did I purchase this antenna for the KX3? To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Date: Thursday, November 29, 2012, 2:25 PM I sincerely hope nobody takes you seriously. It may radiate something, but the manufacturer's claims for this antenna are simply ridiculous. Dave AB7E On 11/29/2012 3:07 PM, Philip G0ISW wrote: You may be surprised with the results. My Miracle Whip antenna was used by me extensively on holiday in France with a Yaesu FT-817 and I was working all over Europe on it with 5 Watts on SSB speech. My best DX with the Miracle whip was indoors from home on 14 MHz when I worked Venezuela in South America again with 5 Watts SSB speech. Hope that encourages you to use it. 73 de Philip G0ISW http://www.qsl.net/g0isw __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Why did I purchase this antenna for the KX3?
Good for you Philip - and I hope what they take away from this is that you can gain loads of enjoyment from seemingly minimalist setups. That's the thrill of QRP: Doing more with less, and sometimes intentionally putting limits on the gear to see just what you can do with almost nothing. For many, it amplifies the fun factor. No disrespect to QRO and bigger/better antennas... they're great too. 73, --Andrew, NV1B maineware.net .. On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 5:25 PM, David Gilbert xda...@cis-broadband.comwrote: I sincerely hope nobody takes you seriously. It may radiate something, but the manufacturer's claims for this antenna are simply ridiculous. Dave AB7E On 11/29/2012 3:07 PM, Philip G0ISW wrote: You may be surprised with the results. My Miracle Whip antenna was used by me extensively on holiday in France with a Yaesu FT-817 and I was working all over Europe on it with 5 Watts on SSB speech. My best DX with the Miracle whip was indoors from home on 14 MHz when I worked Venezuela in South America again with 5 Watts SSB speech. Hope that encourages you to use it. 73 de Philip G0ISW http://www.qsl.net/g0isw __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Why did I purchase this antenna for the KX3?
I personally would not call paying $130 for a base loaded five foot whip without a counterpoise to be a minimalist approach, but to each his own. If you want to intentionally put limits on the gear it would be far cheaper (as well as more effective) to hang simply an appropriate length of #24 wire on the wall with masking tape. And I still say that the manufacturer's claims are ridiculous ... read them yourself if you don't believe me. Dave AB7E On 11/29/2012 5:36 PM, Andrew Moore wrote: Good for you Philip - and I hope what they take away from this is that you can gain loads of enjoyment from seemingly minimalist setups. That's the thrill of QRP: Doing more with less, and sometimes intentionally putting limits on the gear to see just what you can do with almost nothing. For many, it amplifies the fun factor. No disrespect to QRO and bigger/better antennas... they're great too. 73, --Andrew, NV1B maineware.net .. On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 5:25 PM, David Gilbert xda...@cis-broadband.comwrote: I sincerely hope nobody takes you seriously. It may radiate something, but the manufacturer's claims for this antenna are simply ridiculous. Dave AB7E On 11/29/2012 3:07 PM, Philip G0ISW wrote: You may be surprised with the results. My Miracle Whip antenna was used by me extensively on holiday in France with a Yaesu FT-817 and I was working all over Europe on it with 5 Watts on SSB speech. My best DX with the Miracle whip was indoors from home on 14 MHz when I worked Venezuela in South America again with 5 Watts SSB speech. Hope that encourages you to use it. 73 de Philip G0ISW http://www.qsl.net/g0isw __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Why did I purchase this antenna for the KX3?
Philip, thanks for sharing your experience with the Miracle Whip. I currently live in an apartment and I felt really encouraged by your story. 73, Robert-KP4Y __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Why did I purchase this antenna for the KX3?
Of course, the #24 wire taped to a wall in my apartment would be cheaper and my XYL would love it. ;-) 73, Robert-KP4Y David Gilbert xda...@cis-broadband.com wrote: I personally would not call paying $130 for a base loaded five foot whip without a counterpoise to be a minimalist approach, but to each his own. If you want to intentionally put limits on the gear it would be far cheaper (as well as more effective) to hang simply an appropriate length of #24 wire on the wall with masking tape. And I still say that the manufacturer's claims are ridiculous ... read them yourself if you don't believe me. Dave AB7E On 11/29/2012 5:36 PM, Andrew Moore wrote: Good for you Philip - and I hope what they take away from this is that you can gain loads of enjoyment from seemingly minimalist setups. That's the thrill of QRP: Doing more with less, and sometimes intentionally putting limits on the gear to see just what you can do with almost nothing. For many, it amplifies the fun factor. No disrespect to QRO and bigger/better antennas... they're great too. 73, --Andrew, NV1B maineware.net .. On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 5:25 PM, David Gilbert xda...@cis-broadband.comwrote: I sincerely hope nobody takes you seriously. It may radiate something, but the manufacturer's claims for this antenna are simply ridiculous. Dave AB7E On 11/29/2012 3:07 PM, Philip G0ISW wrote: You may be surprised with the results. My Miracle Whip antenna was used by me extensively on holiday in France with a Yaesu FT-817 and I was working all over Europe on it with 5 Watts on SSB speech. My best DX with the Miracle whip was indoors from home on 14 MHz when I worked Venezuela in South America again with 5 Watts SSB speech. Hope that encourages you to use it. 73 de Philip G0ISW http://www.qsl.net/g0isw __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Why did I purchase this antenna for the KX3?
I have no idea what this Miracle Whip is or what it cost, but if Philip gained that much enjoyment from it and encouraged others, sounds like he wins. --Andrew On Nov 29, 2012, at 9:16 PM, David Gilbert xda...@cis-broadband.com wrote: I personally would not call paying $130 for a base loaded five foot whip without a counterpoise to be a minimalist approach, but to each his own. If you want to intentionally put limits on the gear it would be far cheaper (as well as more effective) to hang simply an appropriate length of #24 wire on the wall with masking tape. And I still say that the manufacturer's claims are ridiculous ... read them yourself if you don't believe me. Dave AB7E On 11/29/2012 5:36 PM, Andrew Moore wrote: Good for you Philip - and I hope what they take away from this is that you can gain loads of enjoyment from seemingly minimalist setups. That's the thrill of QRP: Doing more with less, and sometimes intentionally putting limits on the gear to see just what you can do with almost nothing. For many, it amplifies the fun factor. No disrespect to QRO and bigger/better antennas... they're great too. 73, --Andrew, NV1B maineware.net .. On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 5:25 PM, David Gilbert xda...@cis-broadband.comwrote: I sincerely hope nobody takes you seriously. It may radiate something, but the manufacturer's claims for this antenna are simply ridiculous. Dave AB7E On 11/29/2012 3:07 PM, Philip G0ISW wrote: You may be surprised with the results. My Miracle Whip antenna was used by me extensively on holiday in France with a Yaesu FT-817 and I was working all over Europe on it with 5 Watts on SSB speech. My best DX with the Miracle whip was indoors from home on 14 MHz when I worked Venezuela in South America again with 5 Watts SSB speech. Hope that encourages you to use it. 73 de Philip G0ISW http://www.qsl.net/g0isw __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Why did I purchase this antenna for the KX3?
(what mfr claims is irrelevant to me) On Nov 29, 2012, at 9:16 PM, David Gilbert xda...@cis-broadband.com wrote: I personally would not call paying $130 for a base loaded five foot whip without a counterpoise to be a minimalist approach, but to each his own. If you want to intentionally put limits on the gear it would be far cheaper (as well as more effective) to hang simply an appropriate length of #24 wire on the wall with masking tape. And I still say that the manufacturer's claims are ridiculous ... read them yourself if you don't believe me. Dave AB7E On 11/29/2012 5:36 PM, Andrew Moore wrote: Good for you Philip - and I hope what they take away from this is that you can gain loads of enjoyment from seemingly minimalist setups. That's the thrill of QRP: Doing more with less, and sometimes intentionally putting limits on the gear to see just what you can do with almost nothing. For many, it amplifies the fun factor. No disrespect to QRO and bigger/better antennas... they're great too. 73, --Andrew, NV1B maineware.net .. On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 5:25 PM, David Gilbert xda...@cis-broadband.comwrote: I sincerely hope nobody takes you seriously. It may radiate something, but the manufacturer's claims for this antenna are simply ridiculous. Dave AB7E On 11/29/2012 3:07 PM, Philip G0ISW wrote: You may be surprised with the results. My Miracle Whip antenna was used by me extensively on holiday in France with a Yaesu FT-817 and I was working all over Europe on it with 5 Watts on SSB speech. My best DX with the Miracle whip was indoors from home on 14 MHz when I worked Venezuela in South America again with 5 Watts SSB speech. Hope that encourages you to use it. 73 de Philip G0ISW http://www.qsl.net/g0isw __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Why did I purchase this antenna for the KX3?
Regardless of any particular user's success or failures, please indicate the gain (or loss) with respect to an isotropic radiator (or a resonant dipole in its greatest gain forward position). I have heard claims of success with the Miracle Whip, and have seen a lot of it is a miracle that it radiates any signal at all comments - I am not moved by such claims (that also applies to many other antenna manufacturers making similar statements) - show me the antenna patterns and the reference levels with respect to either a dipole or an isotropic radiator. There are a lot of manufacturer's statements similar to this antenna has worked DXCC in less that 24 hours or something similar. I do not pay much attention to such claims, a $2 hunk of wire can be used to make those contacts too. BUT, if whatever particular portable antenna you choose is sufficiently efficient for you, who am I to argue with your choice. My portable preference is an inverted VEE supported with my 32 foot telescoping fiberglass pole - it is either a full size resonant dipole on 80 through 6 meters (band set by jumpers), or it is a 44 foot dipole that needs a tuner. I use both depending on my mood and the physical circumstances. This is not pedestrian mobile, but then PM is not of current interest to me. 73, Don W3FPR On 11/29/2012 9:37 PM, Andrew Moore wrote: I have no idea what this Miracle Whip is or what it cost, but if Philip gained that much enjoyment from it and encouraged others, sounds like he wins. --Andrew On Nov 29, 2012, at 9:16 PM, David Gilbert xda...@cis-broadband.com wrote: __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Why did I purchase this antenna for the KX3?
When I travel to my New Hampshire QTH I take a PSK-20 radio and a 20 meter dipole. I hang it between the house and a tree at about 6 meters. (If I had a KX3, I would be interested in a more wide-band antenna choice. My ever patient XYL doesn't need the KX3 budget hit after the K3 and P3 hits. hihi). I have been amazed at the DXCCs I have been able to work with that combination. The east coast really has an advantage over the west coast with many easily contacted DXCC entities. Cheers - Bill, AE6JV On 11/29/12 at 7:15 PM, w3...@embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) wrote: My portable preference is an inverted VEE supported with my 32 foot telescoping fiberglass pole - it is either a full size resonant dipole on 80 through 6 meters (band set by jumpers), or it is a 44 foot dipole that needs a tuner. I use both depending on my mood and the physical circumstances. --- Bill Frantz|The nice thing about standards| Periwinkle (408)356-8506 |is there are so many to choose| 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com |from. - Andrew Tanenbaum| Los Gatos, CA 95032 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Why did I purchase this antenna for the KX3?
I never said that Philip shouldn't enjoy what he has. But he did encourage others to buy that antenna, and that's the part to which I take exception. It simply is not comparable in performance-versus-cost-versus-portability to other options. And those manufacturers claims that you don't care about are what lots of other people base their buying decisions upon. QRP is fun ... I used to do a lot of it. Using simple gear is fun, too ... I used to do a lot of that as well. But I would never try to talk somebody into spending $130 for a poor approach to either. Dave AB7E On 11/29/2012 7:37 PM, Andrew Moore wrote: I have no idea what this Miracle Whip is or what it cost, but if Philip gained that much enjoyment from it and encouraged others, sounds like he wins. --Andrew On Nov 29, 2012, at 9:16 PM, David Gilbert xda...@cis-broadband.com wrote: I personally would not call paying $130 for a base loaded five foot whip without a counterpoise to be a minimalist approach, but to each his own. If you want to intentionally put limits on the gear it would be far cheaper (as well as more effective) to hang simply an appropriate length of #24 wire on the wall with masking tape. And I still say that the manufacturer's claims are ridiculous ... read them yourself if you don't believe me. Dave AB7E __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Why did I purchase this antenna for the KX3?
The problem is at times a 'simple' is not. And one needs just to 'get out' in any way one can. And if the whip works, then why not tell people (disclaimer don't have the whip) It is easy to say that it does perform as well as other. But when one can not anything but something like this, why not tell people/endorse about it? I live in a condo with no outside access 15+ floors up. a 'kosher ham' Robert -Original Message- From: David Gilbert xda...@cis-broadband.com Sender: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 22:44:32 To: Andrew Mooreandrew.n...@gmail.com Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Why did I purchase this antenna for the KX3? I never said that Philip shouldn't enjoy what he has. But he did encourage others to buy that antenna, and that's the part to which I take exception. It simply is not comparable in performance-versus-cost-versus-portability to other options. And those manufacturers claims that you don't care about are what lots of other people base their buying decisions upon. QRP is fun ... I used to do a lot of it. Using simple gear is fun, too ... I used to do a lot of that as well. But I would never try to talk somebody into spending $130 for a poor approach to either. Dave AB7E On 11/29/2012 7:37 PM, Andrew Moore wrote: I have no idea what this Miracle Whip is or what it cost, but if Philip gained that much enjoyment from it and encouraged others, sounds like he wins. --Andrew On Nov 29, 2012, at 9:16 PM, David Gilbert xda...@cis-broadband.com wrote: I personally would not call paying $130 for a base loaded five foot whip without a counterpoise to be a minimalist approach, but to each his own. If you want to intentionally put limits on the gear it would be far cheaper (as well as more effective) to hang simply an appropriate length of #24 wire on the wall with masking tape. And I still say that the manufacturer's claims are ridiculous ... read them yourself if you don't believe me. Dave AB7E __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Why did I purchase this antenna for the KX3?
I think that many of us wince at the snake-oil approach saying that such an antenna will do everything. (Snake oil was sold in the US far west in the 1800's as a cure for everything from gout to toothache and, since it was generally 90 proof alcohol, it usually seemed to do the job -- until after the hangover). The point is that sticking a wire into the center of the antenna connector and taping it to the wall as high as you can reach will work as well and likely much better. We have many Hams in the USA today who have no technical understanding of radio. Our licensing is mostly about operating a radio according to the FCC rules, not so much about how radio works. Such Hams are easy prey for the 'snake oil' salesmen. The rest of the fraternity wince at seeing them spend dollars for something that can be done for pennies. 73, Ron AC7AC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Why did I purchase this antenna for the KX3?
If an appropriate piece of wire taped to the wall (even in your condo) would work better for far less money, why not tell people that as well? The original post in this thread came from someone with a KX3, and if he has the tuner option I'd be very surprised if he could not load it. But please ... if you want to buy the whip, then by all means buy the whip. Dave AB7E On 11/29/2012 11:51 PM, va3...@gmail.com wrote: The problem is at times a 'simple' is not. And one needs just to 'get out' in any way one can. And if the whip works, then why not tell people (disclaimer don't have the whip) It is easy to say that it does perform as well as other. But when one can not anything but something like this, why not tell people/endorse about it? I live in a condo with no outside access 15+ floors up. a 'kosher ham' Robert __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] Why did I purchase this antenna for the KX3?
Good afternoon, I am a very new (receive only/studying for license) enthusiast caught up in the excitement here and for the loaded KX3 that I have on order. Could the group please give me some kind of idea as to whether this purchase http://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/hamantht/5046.html was a wise one for this unit given that I now see it has an antenna already attached to it (doh!).or is this 'improved'(?) antenna as good as any other (in 2012/regardless of cost) for increasing performance while still keeping the whole package compact and portable? Thanks for any help as I'll stick with the stock whip if this product isn't a good match and concentrate my funds on whatever fixed base setup you guys agree on that is still portable and most importantly the best on the market as of this year. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Why did I purchase this antenna for the KX3?
You may see an antenna connected to the KX3 in the photos but the radio does NOT come with an antenna from elecraft. You must provide that part of the system. I didn't look to see what you picked out, but if it seems like it should work, it probably will. I'm gonna wait until the radio arrives and I get to tryit out with antennas that I already have before i look further. Good luck, ...bill nr4c On Mon, 5 Mar 2012 15:01:39 -0500, John Stears wrote: Good afternoon, I am a very new (receive only/studying for license) enthusiast caught up in the excitement here and for the loaded KX3 that I have on order. Could the group please give me some kind of idea as to whether this purchase http://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/hamantht/5046.html was a wise one for this unit given that I now see it has an antenna already attached to it (doh!).or is this 'improved'(?) antenna as good as any other (in 2012/regardless of cost) for increasing performance while still keeping the whole package compact and portable? Thanks for any help as I'll stick with the stock whip if this product isn't a good match and concentrate my funds on whatever fixed base setup you guys agree on that is still portable and most importantly the best on the market as of this year. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Why did I purchase this antenna for the KX3?
The miracle-whip antenna isn't an improved antenna over much of anything. :) It will work but if you want an antenna that will work much better, make sure you get the antenna tuner and use the antenna listed in the KXAT1 manual. 26' of wire connected to the center conductor of the antenna jack with the other end thrown into a tree and 16' of wire connected to the outer conductor that is laying on the ground. That antenna will outperform the Miracle-Whip antenna almost every time - but you will need the antenna tuner to use it. I use it quite often and have never had a problem making a QSO (other than my code speed being too slow). http://www.elecraft.com/manual/E740054%20KXAT1%20man%20rev%20B.pdf This antenna is much cheaper than the Miracle-Whip antenna also! http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2036275 $7 plus tax at Radio shack for the wire and a BNC connector (which I couldn't find on a quick search of Radio Shack's site). 73 Jay W9IUF On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 3:01 PM, John Stears proudameric...@comcast.netwrote: Good afternoon, I am a very new (receive only/studying for license) enthusiast caught up in the excitement here and for the loaded KX3 that I have on order. Could the group please give me some kind of idea as to whether this purchase http://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/hamantht/5046.html was a wise one for this unit given that I now see it has an antenna already attached to it (doh!).or is this 'improved'(?) antenna as good as any other (in 2012/regardless of cost) for increasing performance while still keeping the whole package compact and portable? Thanks for any help as I'll stick with the stock whip if this product isn't a good match and concentrate my funds on whatever fixed base setup you guys agree on that is still portable and most importantly the best on the market as of this year. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Why did I purchase this antenna for the KX3?
It would be a miracle if this antenna worked on HF. Without a counterpoise, ANY antenna of that size is not much more than a dummy load when used on any HF band. Joel - N1JEO On 3/5/12, Jay Sissom jsis...@gmail.com wrote: The miracle-whip antenna isn't an improved antenna over much of anything. :) It will work but if you want an antenna that will work much better, make sure you get the antenna tuner and use the antenna listed in the KXAT1 manual. 26' of wire connected to the center conductor of the antenna jack with the other end thrown into a tree and 16' of wire connected to the outer conductor that is laying on the ground. That antenna will outperform the Miracle-Whip antenna almost every time - but you will need the antenna tuner to use it. I use it quite often and have never had a problem making a QSO (other than my code speed being too slow). http://www.elecraft.com/manual/E740054%20KXAT1%20man%20rev%20B.pdf This antenna is much cheaper than the Miracle-Whip antenna also! http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2036275 $7 plus tax at Radio shack for the wire and a BNC connector (which I couldn't find on a quick search of Radio Shack's site). 73 Jay W9IUF On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 3:01 PM, John Stears proudameric...@comcast.netwrote: Good afternoon, I am a very new (receive only/studying for license) enthusiast caught up in the excitement here and for the loaded KX3 that I have on order. Could the group please give me some kind of idea as to whether this purchase http://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/hamantht/5046.html was a wise one for this unit given that I now see it has an antenna already attached to it (doh!).or is this 'improved'(?) antenna as good as any other (in 2012/regardless of cost) for increasing performance while still keeping the whole package compact and portable? Thanks for any help as I'll stick with the stock whip if this product isn't a good match and concentrate my funds on whatever fixed base setup you guys agree on that is still portable and most importantly the best on the market as of this year. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Why did I purchase this antenna for the KX3?
On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 3:20 PM, Joel Curneal jcurn...@gmail.com wrote: It would be a miracle if this antenna worked on HF = Yeah, I would recommend this: http://www.texasantennas.com/index.php?option=com_contentview=articleid=65Itemid=83 They'll never know you're QRP. Tony KTØNY -- http://www.isb.edu/faculty/facultydir.aspx?ddlFaculty=352 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Why did I purchase this antenna for the KX3?
Could use a Pomona 1296 BNC to Binding Post connector. Allows for experimenting. Rich NU6T On 3/5/2012 1:08 PM, Jay Sissom wrote: The miracle-whip antenna isn't an improved antenna over much of anything. :) It will work but if you want an antenna that will work much better, make sure you get the antenna tuner and use the antenna listed in the KXAT1 manual. 26' of wire connected to the center conductor of the antenna jack with the other end thrown into a tree and 16' of wire connected to the outer conductor that is laying on the ground. That antenna will outperform the Miracle-Whip antenna almost every time - but you will need the antenna tuner to use it. I use it quite often and have never had a problem making a QSO (other than my code speed being too slow). http://www.elecraft.com/manual/E740054%20KXAT1%20man%20rev%20B.pdf This antenna is much cheaper than the Miracle-Whip antenna also! http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2036275 $7 plus tax at Radio shack for the wire and a BNC connector (which I couldn't find on a quick search of Radio Shack's site). 73 Jay W9IUF On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 3:01 PM, John Stearsproudameric...@comcast.netwrote: Good afternoon, I am a very new (receive only/studying for license) enthusiast caught up in the excitement here and for the loaded KX3 that I have on order. Could the group please give me some kind of idea as to whether this purchase http://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/hamantht/5046.html was a wise one for this unit given that I now see it has an antenna already attached to it (doh!).or is this 'improved'(?) antenna as good as any other (in 2012/regardless of cost) for increasing performance while still keeping the whole package compact and portable? Thanks for any help as I'll stick with the stock whip if this product isn't a good match and concentrate my funds on whatever fixed base setup you guys agree on that is still portable and most importantly the best on the market as of this year. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Why did I purchase this antenna for the KX3?
John, IMX any product that uses Miracle in its name isn't, Hi!, especially when transmitting. You can get away with a much reduced antenna when only receiving more easily than if you want to transmit. The efficiency of any antenna drops as it is made shorter than 1/2 wavelength (130' on 80 meters, 66' on 40 meters, 33' on 20 meters, etc.) An antenna only 1/4 wavelength long can be pretty nearly as efficient if you pay close attention to minimizing losses in the ground system if end fed. Below that the efficiency literally plummets. The drop in efficiency is not linear but accelerates as the antenna is made shorter. In large measure that is due to the resistive losses in the antenna and matching network conductors. We know how to avoid those losses. Use a super-conductor for the radiator and in the matching network. Unfortunately, I don't know where to buy room-temperature superconductors. Until we can, we're stuck with those losses. We're not talking about the resistance your DMM might show. RF flows over the surface of a conductor, not through it. Currents flow only in the very outer layers of atoms in a conductor so the resistance at RF is far greater than your DMM indicates. We can minimize those losses by plating all the conductors with silver or gold. But that costs money and only partly helps. Even so, it's what high-quality RF circuits use. Another critical point is in the sliding contacts used in switches, variable capacitors and telescoping antennas. Under the best of conditions they are lossy. Sometimes we must put up with them, but we're paying a big penalty in efficiency. The issue with the Miracle Whip is that it does not address any of the loss issues very well. It uses a telescoping whip and inexpensive components in the matching network. And then there's the height above ground and distance from surrounding objects. The closer you are to the ground or other objects the more RF current is induced in them. That RF is simply lost. You'll hear Hams referring to it sarcastically as warming the worms Hi! Sometimes we simply must accept the losses to get the portability we need, but there is no magic solution, no new technology, no newly discovered principles, that will help. It rather sounds like one can't get out of their own back yard with a tiny antenna, but it happens every day. Under the right conditions even a few thousandths of a watt (milliwatts) getting radiated can be heard over a long distance. But a larger antenna, at least up to one at least 1/2 wavelength long and well clear of the ground and other objects, will do much, much better every time. Good luck getting your license! It's a fun hobby. 73, Ron AC7AC -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of John Stears Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 12:02 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Why did I purchase this antenna for the KX3? Good afternoon, I am a very new (receive only/studying for license) enthusiast caught up in the excitement here and for the loaded KX3 that I have on order. Could the group please give me some kind of idea as to whether this purchase http://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/hamantht/5046.html was a wise one for this unit given that I now see it has an antenna already attached to it (doh!).or is this 'improved'(?) antenna as good as any other (in 2012/regardless of cost) for increasing performance while still keeping the whole package compact and portable? Thanks for any help as I'll stick with the stock whip if this product isn't a good match and concentrate my funds on whatever fixed base setup you guys agree on that is still portable and most importantly the best on the market as of this year. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Why did I purchase this antenna for the KX3?
Hi Ron AC7AC has it right. Portable operation always presents a compromise. For portable use I have found the Par End Fed half wave multiband 40-20-10 meter dipole to be excellent. In November on 10 meters and 4 watts on a KX1 I have been able to make contacts into Eastern Europe. It is also an excellent NVIS antenna on 40m. Another antenna that does well in the high bands in terms of versatility is the Buddipole with the long whips 9.5 ft each which makes it easier to tune. The short verticals even with radials is just a little bit better than a dummy load which radiates. The closer your antenna is to a full size half wave dipole the better. You will also do well to deploy it at half wave elevation if you can unless working NVIS for close work on the low bands. Ariel NY4G Good afternoon, I am a very new (receive only/studying for license) enthusiast caught up in the excitement here and for the loaded KX3 that I have on order. Could the group please give me some kind of idea as to whether this purchase http://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/hamantht/5046.html was a wise one for this unit given that I now see it has an antenna already attached to it (doh!).or is this 'improved'(?) antenna as good as any other (in 2012/regardless of cost) for increasing performance while still keeping the whole package compact and portable? Thanks for any help as I'll stick with the stock whip if this product isn't a good match and concentrate my funds on whatever fixed base setup you guys agree on that is still portable and most importantly the best on the market as of this year. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
