Re: [Elecraft] Would anyone like to see an all-mode VHF/UHFoffering from Elecraft?
And CW... Dave (G0DJA) - Original Message - From: Kevin G ragna...@optonline.net To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 10:36 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Would anyone like to see an all-mode VHF/UHFoffering from Elecraft? Sounds like a great idea to me, speaking for myself I enjoy making SSB contacts on the VHF UHF bands. Kevin Gallagher __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Would anyone like to see an all-mode VHF/UHFoffering from Elecraft?
Yes for CW. This would be a GREAT way to get our Techs beyond the limits of operating on the repeaters. Some years ago, I had expected the June/Sept VHF Contests to replace Field Day as the big participation event for local clubs as the new Techs would discover the many other ways to use their licenses. It didn't happen, but this might help move along greater participation on VHF/UHF. Good idea! On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 7:44 AM, Dave d...@g0dja.co.uk wrote: And CW... Dave (G0DJA) - Original Message - From: Kevin G ragna...@optonline.net To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 10:36 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Would anyone like to see an all-mode VHF/UHFoffering from Elecraft? Sounds like a great idea to me, speaking for myself I enjoy making SSB contacts on the VHF UHF bands. Kevin Gallagher __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html -- 73 de Ted Edwards, W3TB and GØPWW and thinking about operating CW: Do today what others won't, so you can do tomorrow what others can't. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Would anyone like to see an all-mode VHF/UHFoffering from Elecraft?
No, it already exists in the K3/10 with XV-144/220/432 or the K3/10 with KXV-144 for those wanting only 6 and 2. Better if Elecraft were to spend their development time on with simultaneous crossband receive and reverse VFO tracking with the K3/KRX3 for satellite operation and working on a larger, true home station, 200W K4. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 1/31/2014 8:56 AM, Ted Edwards W3TB wrote: Yes for CW. This would be a GREAT way to get our Techs beyond the limits of operating on the repeaters. Some years ago, I had expected the June/Sept VHF Contests to replace Field Day as the big participation event for local clubs as the new Techs would discover the many other ways to use their licenses. It didn't happen, but this might help move along greater participation on VHF/UHF. Good idea! On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 7:44 AM, Dave d...@g0dja.co.uk wrote: And CW... Dave (G0DJA) - Original Message - From: Kevin G ragna...@optonline.net To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 10:36 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Would anyone like to see an all-mode VHF/UHFoffering from Elecraft? Sounds like a great idea to me, speaking for myself I enjoy making SSB contacts on the VHF UHF bands. Kevin Gallagher __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Would anyone like to see an all-mode VHF/UHFoffering from Elecraft?
I have had one since it came out and does quite well in fact the IC-9100 does it all including D-Star which has an active repeater in this area. I bought mine when they first came out about 3 1/2 yrs ago there about and do have all the filters for it. 73, Fred/N0AZZ K3 Ser # 6730--KX3 # 5210--K2/100 # 6470-KAT100 P3/SVGA--KAT500--W2 Amps Elecraft KPA500 HF/6m--Alpha's 9500 HF--87A HF--Mirage B-5030-G 300+w--(2) B-5016-G's 165w 2m -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Joe Subich, W4TV Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 8:08 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Would anyone like to see an all-mode VHF/UHFoffering from Elecraft? No, it already exists in the K3/10 with XV-144/220/432 or the K3/10 with KXV-144 for those wanting only 6 and 2. Better if Elecraft were to spend their development time on with simultaneous crossband receive and reverse VFO tracking with the K3/KRX3 for satellite operation and working on a larger, true home station, 200W K4. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 1/31/2014 8:56 AM, Ted Edwards W3TB wrote: Yes for CW. This would be a GREAT way to get our Techs beyond the limits of operating on the repeaters. Some years ago, I had expected the June/Sept VHF Contests to replace Field Day as the big participation event for local clubs as the new Techs would discover the many other ways to use their licenses. It didn't happen, but this might help move along greater participation on VHF/UHF. Good idea! On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 7:44 AM, Dave d...@g0dja.co.uk wrote: And CW... Dave (G0DJA) - Original Message - From: Kevin G ragna...@optonline.net To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 10:36 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Would anyone like to see an all-mode VHF/UHFoffering from Elecraft? Sounds like a great idea to me, speaking for myself I enjoy making SSB contacts on the VHF UHF bands. Kevin Gallagher __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Would anyone like to see an all-mode VHF/UHFoffering from Elecraft?
A 200 Watt K4 !!! Now that's something that would push me over the edge into K-Land. The idea of dropping back to 100 watts with the K3 (assuming I sell my FTDX5KMP) is not too appealing. And, please, no comments about it's only 3 dB, that 3 dB does make a difference. 73, Dick, W1KSZ On 1/31/2014 7:08 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: No, it already exists in the K3/10 with XV-144/220/432 or the K3/10 with KXV-144 for those wanting only 6 and 2. Better if Elecraft were to spend their development time on with simultaneous crossband receive and reverse VFO tracking with the K3/KRX3 for satellite operation and working on a larger, true home station, 200W K4. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 1/31/2014 8:56 AM, Ted Edwards W3TB wrote: Yes for CW. This would be a GREAT way to get our Techs beyond the limits of operating on the repeaters. Some years ago, I had expected the June/Sept VHF Contests to replace Field Day as the big participation event for local clubs as the new Techs would discover the many other ways to use their licenses. It didn't happen, but this might help move along greater participation on VHF/UHF. Good idea! On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 7:44 AM, Dave d...@g0dja.co.uk wrote: And CW... Dave (G0DJA) - Original Message - From: Kevin G ragna...@optonline.net To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 10:36 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Would anyone like to see an all-mode VHF/UHFoffering from Elecraft? Sounds like a great idea to me, speaking for myself I enjoy making SSB contacts on the VHF UHF bands. Kevin Gallagher __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Would anyone like to see an all-mode VHF/UHFoffering from Elecraft?
Actually, I would like to see any of the following come out of Elecraft: 1. A 2-meter brick 100-watt amplifier to go along with the 2-meter options of the K3 and (future) KX3. 2. A new full kit smaller than the K2 but based on today's technology (maybe part of it can be SMT). I say this because the K2 is really about the same ballpark price as a KX3. I think here I am thinking of an upgraded K1 -- CW only suits me just fine. 3. Those new features of the P3 such as full P3 screen (if I want it) CW Data decode and possibly support of a keyboard for data (i.e. remove the need of a separate computer for data mode). 4. A new smaller footprint (?) 100-watt auto-tuner, maybe a slightly re-engineered version of the KAT100 with features along the lines of the KAT500. Preferably lean to lower cost if possible (~$250?). 73, phil, K7PEH __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Would anyone like to see an all-mode VHF/UHFoffering from Elecraft?
P.S. Need to add one more item as number (5) in the list below: 5. A new technology Graphene based radio, it could be called the KC12 (in honor of Carbon of course): http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn24976-first-graphene-radio-broadcast-is-a-wireless-wonder.html#.UuvGZXnKzd4 On Jan 31, 2014, at 7:44 AM, Phil Hystad phys...@mac.com wrote: Actually, I would like to see any of the following come out of Elecraft: 1. A 2-meter brick 100-watt amplifier to go along with the 2-meter options of the K3 and (future) KX3. 2. A new full kit smaller than the K2 but based on today's technology (maybe part of it can be SMT). I say this because the K2 is really about the same ballpark price as a KX3. I think here I am thinking of an upgraded K1 -- CW only suits me just fine. 3. Those new features of the P3 such as full P3 screen (if I want it) CW Data decode and possibly support of a keyboard for data (i.e. remove the need of a separate computer for data mode). 4. A new smaller footprint (?) 100-watt auto-tuner, maybe a slightly re-engineered version of the KAT100 with features along the lines of the KAT500. Preferably lean to lower cost if possible (~$250?). 73, phil, K7PEH __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Would anyone like to see an all-mode VHF/UHFoffering from Elecraft?
Ted, You really expected a VHF contest to sound like Field day on the HF bands? That tells me that you do not regularly operate VHF-ssb. I have been pleading with the FM repeater HT hams for years to explore the fun of VHF-ssb/cw/digital modes with multi types of propagation and the response is they don't have the time, the cash, the know-how, the property that allows antennas, etc. etc. There is plenty VHF multi-mode radios available plus a wide assortment of transverters, plus very economical surplus multi-modes from past years. Radio supply is not the problem. With the exception of 2m-eme using digital modes there is just not much interest by the usual VHF users and especially new hams. Satellite use has dwindled due to lack of cheap launch capability so new satellites are essentially orbiting repeaters for the most part. A radio with the capabilities you request will be in the $3000 class (If not more). A K3/10 + transverters will accomplish this if you want Elecraft equipment at less than that (I think). Or one could buy the KX3 and add the 2M module when it comes out. Then add transverters for 222, 432, 1296. In 2012, I sold my FT-847 to purchase a 222-28 and 432-28 transverter to go with my K3/10 which I already had 144-28 and 1296-28 transverters. The K3 + transverters make a way superior combo than any multi-mode VHF/UHF that I have seen. I am QRV from 600m to 3cm! 73, Ed - KL7UW PS: I worked three stations in the Jan. VHF Contest! From: Ted Edwards W3TB w3tb@gmail.com To: Dave d...@g0dja.co.uk Cc: Elecraft Reflector Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Would anyone like to see an all-mode VHF/UHFoffering from Elecraft? Message-ID: caghfmtjuqkp_3ncbyi32sude+5bhrqtqszunuj7mvc5uveu...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Yes for CW. This would be a GREAT way to get our Techs beyond the limits of operating on the repeaters. Some years ago, I had expected the June/Sept VHF Contests to replace Field Day as the big participation event for local clubs as the new Techs would discover the many other ways to use their licenses. It didn't happen, but this might help move along greater participation on VHF/UHF. Good idea! 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com Kits made by KL7UW Dubus Mag business: dubus...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Would anyone like to see an all-mode VHF/UHFoffering from Elecraft?
I've been on 50 MHz since the time when DXCC was impossible since there were not 100 countries in the world that had six meter privileges *. I even have a QSL from a pirate in Scotland (back in the 70's ??) before they got the go ahead after ch1 TV was shut down in Europe. Every propagation mode known happens at one time or another on 50 MHz. Moonbounce, E skip, Tropo, F2, Aurora, Meteor scatter, Back scatter, and good old Ground wave if you're diligent. There are many beacons all around the world below 50.1. Check there first before you say the band is dead. Two meters is right behind. About the only mode I haven't heard there is F-2. There's even E skip on 220 Mhz. There's LOTs to do above 50 MHz. That said with all the enthusiasm, I can't really see Elecraft making a dedicated VHF/UHF radio when they already have some very good transverters available. I would have to agree that effort to fill some holes on the P3 would be of more interest to me. 73, Charlie k3ICH * 140 countries confirmed on six meters, plus WAS, WAC, and 37 states confirmed with NO moonbounce on two meters from here in Virginia. - Original Message - From: Edward R Cole kl...@acsalaska.net To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 2:01 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Would anyone like to see an all-mode VHF/UHFoffering from Elecraft? Ted, You really expected a VHF contest to sound like Field day on the HF bands? That tells me that you do not regularly operate VHF-ssb. I have been pleading with the FM repeater HT hams for years to explore the fun of VHF-ssb/cw/digital modes with multi types of propagation and the response is they don't have the time, the cash, the know-how, the property that allows antennas, etc. etc. There is plenty VHF multi-mode radios available plus a wide assortment of transverters, plus very economical surplus multi-modes from past years. Radio supply is not the problem. With the exception of 2m-eme using digital modes there is just not much interest by the usual VHF users and especially new hams. Satellite use has dwindled due to lack of cheap launch capability so new satellites are essentially orbiting repeaters for the most part. A radio with the capabilities you request will be in the $3000 class (If not more). A K3/10 + transverters will accomplish this if you want Elecraft equipment at less than that (I think). Or one could buy the KX3 and add the 2M module when it comes out. Then add transverters for 222, 432, 1296. In 2012, I sold my FT-847 to purchase a 222-28 and 432-28 transverter to go with my K3/10 which I already had 144-28 and 1296-28 transverters. The K3 + transverters make a way superior combo than any multi-mode VHF/UHF that I have seen. I am QRV from 600m to 3cm! 73, Ed - KL7UW PS: I worked three stations in the Jan. VHF Contest! From: Ted Edwards W3TB w3tb@gmail.com To: Dave d...@g0dja.co.uk Cc: Elecraft Reflector Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Would anyone like to see an all-mode VHF/UHFoffering from Elecraft? Message-ID: caghfmtjuqkp_3ncbyi32sude+5bhrqtqszunuj7mvc5uveu...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Yes for CW. This would be a GREAT way to get our Techs beyond the limits of operating on the repeaters. Some years ago, I had expected the June/Sept VHF Contests to replace Field Day as the big participation event for local clubs as the new Techs would discover the many other ways to use their licenses. It didn't happen, but this might help move along greater participation on VHF/UHF. Good idea! 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com Kits made by KL7UW Dubus Mag business: dubus...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Would anyone like to see an all-mode VHF/UHFoffering from Elecraft?
Ed and all Don't forget that the situation in Europe is somewhat different. In 6m and 2m IARU Region 1 contests there is the potential for 600 to 800 contacts in a 24 hour period. On 70cms it's around 250 QSO's for the leading groups. And in the UK we have VHF evening activity contests where almost 200 Q's can be made in 2-1/2 hours. So, point number 1 is that activity is higher and therefore the potential sale of VHF rigs is different. Point 1 leads to Point 2: This level of activity brings with it a very demanding requirement on the receiver, to provide sensitivity for the smallest of signals, and good selectivity and extreme dynamic range to cope with your near neighbours. Elecraft know how to deal with big signals. The reason I would support Elecraft going the VHF route is because the performance of the current shack in the box multimode, multiband rigs is woefully inadequate in the criteria listed in my previous paragraph. See you on the Moon again sometime .. Regards John G4ZTR -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Edward R Cole Sent: 31 January 2014 19:02 To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Would anyone like to see an all-mode VHF/UHFoffering from Elecraft? Ted, You really expected a VHF contest to sound like Field day on the HF bands? That tells me that you do not regularly operate VHF-ssb. I have been pleading with the FM repeater HT hams for years to explore the fun of VHF-ssb/cw/digital modes with multi types of propagation and the response is they don't have the time, the cash, the know-how, the property that allows antennas, etc. etc. There is plenty VHF multi-mode radios available plus a wide assortment of transverters, plus very economical surplus multi-modes from past years. Radio supply is not the problem. With the exception of 2m-eme using digital modes there is just not much interest by the usual VHF users and especially new hams. Satellite use has dwindled due to lack of cheap launch capability so new satellites are essentially orbiting repeaters for the most part. A radio with the capabilities you request will be in the $3000 class (If not more). A K3/10 + transverters will accomplish this if you want Elecraft equipment at less than that (I think). Or one could buy the KX3 and add the 2M module when it comes out. Then add transverters for 222, 432, 1296. In 2012, I sold my FT-847 to purchase a 222-28 and 432-28 transverter to go with my K3/10 which I already had 144-28 and 1296-28 transverters. The K3 + transverters make a way superior combo than any multi-mode VHF/UHF that I have seen. I am QRV from 600m to 3cm! 73, Ed - KL7UW PS: I worked three stations in the Jan. VHF Contest! From: Ted Edwards W3TB w3tb@gmail.com To: Dave d...@g0dja.co.uk Cc: Elecraft Reflector Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Would anyone like to see an all-mode VHF/UHFoffering from Elecraft? Message-ID: caghfmtjuqkp_3ncbyi32sude+5bhrqtqszunuj7mvc5uveu...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Yes for CW. This would be a GREAT way to get our Techs beyond the limits of operating on the repeaters. Some years ago, I had expected the June/Sept VHF Contests to replace Field Day as the big participation event for local clubs as the new Techs would discover the many other ways to use their licenses. It didn't happen, but this might help move along greater participation on VHF/UHF. Good idea! 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com Kits made by KL7UW Dubus Mag business: dubus...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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Hear hear! Also, if it was a modular rig, like the 736, they've got 30-40% of the work already done in the current product line. Pieces of the transverter designs + parts of the KX3 would be usable. Lenny W2BVH - Original Message - From: John Lemay j...@carltonhouse.eclipse.co.uk To: Edward R Cole kl...@acsalaska.net, Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 2:27:27 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Would anyone like to see an all-mode VHF/UHFoffering from Elecraft? Ed and all Don't forget that the situation in Europe is somewhat different. In 6m and 2m IARU Region 1 contests there is the potential for 600 to 800 contacts in a 24 hour period. On 70cms it's around 250 QSO's for the leading groups. And in the UK we have VHF evening activity contests where almost 200 Q's can be made in 2-1/2 hours. So, point number 1 is that activity is higher and therefore the potential sale of VHF rigs is different. Point 1 leads to Point 2: This level of activity brings with it a very demanding requirement on the receiver, to provide sensitivity for the smallest of signals, and good selectivity and extreme dynamic range to cope with your near neighbours. Elecraft know how to deal with big signals. The reason I would support Elecraft going the VHF route is because the performance of the current shack in the box multimode, multiband rigs is woefully inadequate in the criteria listed in my previous paragraph. See you on the Moon again sometime .. Regards John G4ZTR -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Edward R Cole Sent: 31 January 2014 19:02 To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Would anyone like to see an all-mode VHF/UHFoffering from Elecraft? Ted, You really expected a VHF contest to sound like Field day on the HF bands? That tells me that you do not regularly operate VHF-ssb. I have been pleading with the FM repeater HT hams for years to explore the fun of VHF-ssb/cw/digital modes with multi types of propagation and the response is they don't have the time, the cash, the know-how, the property that allows antennas, etc. etc. There is plenty VHF multi-mode radios available plus a wide assortment of transverters, plus very economical surplus multi-modes from past years. Radio supply is not the problem. With the exception of 2m-eme using digital modes there is just not much interest by the usual VHF users and especially new hams. Satellite use has dwindled due to lack of cheap launch capability so new satellites are essentially orbiting repeaters for the most part. A radio with the capabilities you request will be in the $3000 class (If not more). A K3/10 + transverters will accomplish this if you want Elecraft equipment at less than that (I think). Or one could buy the KX3 and add the 2M module when it comes out. Then add transverters for 222, 432, 1296. In 2012, I sold my FT-847 to purchase a 222-28 and 432-28 transverter to go with my K3/10 which I already had 144-28 and 1296-28 transverters. The K3 + transverters make a way superior combo than any multi-mode VHF/UHF that I have seen. I am QRV from 600m to 3cm! 73, Ed - KL7UW PS: I worked three stations in the Jan. VHF Contest! From: Ted Edwards W3TB w3tb@gmail.com To: Dave d...@g0dja.co.uk Cc: Elecraft Reflector Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Would anyone like to see an all-mode VHF/UHFoffering from Elecraft? Message-ID: caghfmtjuqkp_3ncbyi32sude+5bhrqtqszunuj7mvc5uveu...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Yes for CW. This would be a GREAT way to get our Techs beyond the limits of operating on the repeaters. Some years ago, I had expected the June/Sept VHF Contests to replace Field Day as the big participation event for local clubs as the new Techs would discover the many other ways to use their licenses. It didn't happen, but this might help move along greater participation on VHF/UHF. Good idea! 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com Kits made by KL7UW Dubus Mag business: dubus...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http
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Joe, I respectfully disagree with your assertion that it already exists. The functionality exists, but not in a form factor that makes it easy to use in portable situations. Many VHF/UHF contesters (myself included) operate from mountain peaks, to gain greater distance to the radio horizon. Unless you want to invest in an RV or van, it becomes a real challenge to squeeze a K3 plus a couple of transverters, plus a laptop for logging, plus antenna rotator controls, plus a couple of brick amplifiers, plus a whole bunch of coaxial cable, into a vehicle. I know, because I cram all that sort of stuff into a Jeep Cherokee for contest events. I can carry it in the Jeep, but setting up to operate inside the Jeep isn't easy. Since you can't count on benign weather atop 9,000 foot -plus peaks, setting up on a table outside the vehicle isn't a viable alternative. A K3-based successor to the Yaesu FT-736 would be far, far better. I don't know how widespread a market exists for such a rig, but one can dream. Lew Lew Phelps N6LEW Pasadena, CA DM04wd Elecraft K3-10 Yaesu FT-7800 l...@n6lew.us www.ntlew.us On Jan 31, 2014, at 6:08 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV li...@subich.com wrote: No, it already exists in the K3/10 with XV-144/220/432 or the K3/10 with KXV-144 for those wanting only 6 and 2. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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A K3-based successor to the Yaesu FT-736 would be far, far better. The FT-736R is at least half again the size three times the weight of the K3/10 with KXV-2 for approximately the same power output. One still needed external amplifiers for reasonable ( 100W) power level. There is little difference in size, weight and complexity between the K3/10 with KXV-2 plus XV-220/430 (or K3/100 with XV-144/220/430) and the FT-736R but the performance difference is night and day. If one wants it all in one box get the IC-9100, TS-2000 or even an IC-7000 or 706mkIIg. I can't think of anything more compact that the 706mkIIg or 7000 and I doubt that Elecraft can or would compete with that size/price. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 1/31/2014 3:12 PM, Lewis Phelps wrote: Joe, I respectfully disagree with your assertion that it already exists. The functionality exists, but not in a form factor that makes it easy to use in portable situations. Many VHF/UHF contesters (myself included) operate from mountain peaks, to gain greater distance to the radio horizon. Unless you want to invest in an RV or van, it becomes a real challenge to squeeze a K3 plus a couple of transverters, plus a laptop for logging, plus antenna rotator controls, plus a couple of brick amplifiers, plus a whole bunch of coaxial cable, into a vehicle. I know, because I cram all that sort of stuff into a Jeep Cherokee for contest events. I can carry it in the Jeep, but setting up to operate inside the Jeep isn't easy. Since you can't count on benign weather atop 9,000 foot -plus peaks, setting up on a table outside the vehicle isn't a viable alternative. A K3-based successor to the Yaesu FT-736 would be far, far better. I don't know how widespread a market exists for such a rig, but one can dream. Lew Lew Phelps N6LEW Pasadena, CA DM04wd Elecraft K3-10 Yaesu FT-7800 l...@n6lew.us www.ntlew.us On Jan 31, 2014, at 6:08 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV li...@subich.com wrote: No, it already exists in the K3/10 with XV-144/220/432 or the K3/10 with KXV-144 for those wanting only 6 and 2. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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more knobs more buttons,,, hundreds of buttons HAR Bob K3DJC On Fri, 31 Jan 2014 15:36:58 -0500 Joe Subich, W4TV li...@subich.com writes: A K3-based successor to the Yaesu FT-736 would be far, far better. The FT-736R is at least half again the size three times the weight of the K3/10 with KXV-2 for approximately the same power output. One still needed external amplifiers for reasonable ( 100W) power level. There is little difference in size, weight and complexity between the K3/10 with KXV-2 plus XV-220/430 (or K3/100 with XV-144/220/430) and the FT-736R but the performance difference is night and day. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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Don't forget the blocks of lead for added weigh (:-) K0PP On Jan 31, 2014 1:48 PM, riese-k3...@juno.com wrote: more knobs more buttons,,, hundreds of buttons HAR Bob K3DJC On Fri, 31 Jan 2014 15:36:58 -0500 Joe Subich, W4TV li...@subich.com writes: A K3-based successor to the Yaesu FT-736 would be far, far better. The FT-736R is at least half again the size three times the weight of the K3/10 with KXV-2 for approximately the same power output. One still needed external amplifiers for reasonable ( 100W) power level. There is little difference in size, weight and complexity between the K3/10 with KXV-2 plus XV-220/430 (or K3/100 with XV-144/220/430) and the FT-736R but the performance difference is night and day. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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One issue with the XV transverter option is that they only cover part of each of the bands, dropping the regions primarily used for FM repeater and FM simplex use. Even if someone wants the transverter primarily for non FM modes, they still might want to be able to also use the rig for FM repeater base station operations. Even the KX3 2m module recognizes this by providing coverage for the entire 2m band, plus extended range at reduced sensitivity, whereas the XV144 only covers the lower half of the band. John AC0ZG On 1/31/2014 7:08 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: No, it already exists in the K3/10 with XV-144/220/432 or the K3/10 with KXV-144 for those wanting only 6 and 2. Better if Elecraft were to spend their development time on with simultaneous crossband receive and reverse VFO tracking with the K3/KRX3 for satellite operation and working on a larger, true home station, 200W K4. 73, ... Joe, W4TV __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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Joe, problem is they are worth no more than what they cost when operating in dense Europe in VHF/UHF contests ... crap! Been there, done that. :-( If people are willing to spend $2.000 for superb DB6NT transverters I'm sure they would spend 3k as well for an integrated 2-3 bands solution the class of Elecraft. I sure would do! VHF contests DO sound like 20m in a contest overhere so you DO need the same class of equipment. 73, Olli - DH8BQA Am 31.01.2014 21:36, schrieb Joe Subich, W4TV: A K3-based successor to the Yaesu FT-736 would be far, far better. If one wants it all in one box get the IC-9100, TS-2000 or even an IC-7000 or 706mkIIg. I can't think of anything more compact that the 706mkIIg or 7000 and I doubt that Elecraft can or would compete with that size/price. 73, ... Joe, W4TV __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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I've looked at the existing offerings that partially address my proposal. The IC-9100 has these drawbacks: --- no 222 MHz option --- the base transceiver is ~ $3,000 and the 1.2 GHz module lists for ~ $700 --- redundant coverage of the HF bands - I have plenty of HF transceivers, not the least of which is a K3/100 and KX3/KXPA100/ATU I'd would love to see an a la carte option for the VHF/UHF bands, similar to the FT-736R, but allowing any combination of 6m modules on up. In my case, I'd want 222/902/1.2 GHz Maybe it isn't viable to produce. There must be a reason that Yaesu hasn't updated the FT-736R. I was hoping to hear some comment from Wayne or Eric on this issue. When there was a considerable number of requests for a 2m/70cm module for the KX3, they were very transparent in saying that it wouldn't happen, primarily because of size constraints. I realize that, in a competitive environment, it's wise not to show one's hand concerning future development. At the same time, it seems that if the JA manufacturers had this idea and thought that it was feasible, it would be on the market by now. So I see an unfilled niche waiting to be exploited. 73 de Jim - AD6CW __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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Jim, I bought my FT-847 in the first few months after it was introduced in1998 and used it on satellite and eme for ten+ years. I agonized for two years after getting K3 whether to sell. I needed funds to buy two transverters so selling the FT-847 provided funds. But I lost the 440-450 FM band and satellite crossband operation. I think that many new techs do not get the elmering after getting a license like was done 40-50 years ago when I was starting out. Also many new hams are entering for the emcomm role of ham radio and do not have the normal hobbly interest in radio, itself. I'm sure many give up within a year when they find more interesting stuff in their smart phone apps. I chose to switch to the K3 exactly because of its superior performance on CW. The low-noise DDS VFO and being transverter ready with the KVX3, helped. This is the old standard of excellence for weak-signal work so I went back to a good HF radio + transverters and am very pleased with the result. The FT-847 was OK on SSB/FM on VHF/UHF but not particularly good for HF. Its big attraction was having everything under one hood. I have an idea for Elecraft which might come halfway to having a single do-it-all radio: Make an enclosure to match the K3 that will take four transverters in slide-in slots, like was done with the FT-736R, only in a box separate from the K3. Each transverter would retain its own output antenna connection but have a common 28-MHz input switch selectable. Also incorporate a sequencer board for controlling accessories for four bands. Two coax to the K3 and two control lines (One to ACC and one from KEYOUT). Provide 12v distribution to the K3 so one 12v power cable would be needed. One could chose four transverters of 50, 144, 222, 432, 1296 MHz bands or install one and add others later. Edge connector interface to the transverter except for RF output which could remain a BNC (or N as option). Taking the two package station portable or mobile would be fairly easy. A similar concept could be used with the KX3, or make the 4-band transverter unit universal so it could be used with any 28-MHz SSB radio. 73, Ed - KL7UW At 10:45 AM 1/31/2014, you wrote: Hi Ed, I've stubbornly held onto my FT-847 because of the higher power on 2m and 432 MHz. To get 222 capability, I purchased the Elecraft transverter kit, but haven't had time to assemble it yet. I thought I'd begin right after I order a 222 MHz Yagi from M2. It's astounding that more Technician-class licensees don't make better use of the tremendous spectrum and many modes available to them. I have to wonder how many get their license, get tired of working the repeaters, and never bother to renew - especially that first big wave of no-coders. About 10 years ago, the XYL, herself a Technician, set up a 6m/2m demonstration station at Field Day. It attracted a lot of attention, and at least one Tech upgraded to Extra, back when we still had the code element to pass. But most, as far as I know, didn't follow through. Other than having everything all in one package, do you feel that the K3 + transverters is superior to using the FT-847 with transverters? It's nice to know that it will support 9 transverters! BTW, I do have the transverter interface for my K3. 73 de Jim - AD6CW 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com Kits made by KL7UW Dubus Mag business: dubus...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
