Re: [Elecraft] iPad/iPhone control app
I haven't tried it on my Nook Color (running CyanogenMod 7) but it appears that Android supports SPP: http://developer.android.com/reference/android/bluetooth/BluetoothSocket.html 73, Bob N7XY On Aug 26, 2011, at 3:01 PM, David Fleming wrote: > Oliver Dröse wrote: > >> Why don't use Bluetooth? > > Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, and I hope I am, but it is my > understanding that at this point in time Apple does not support the Bluetooth > Serial Port Profile (SPP). There are hacks that apparently work, but they > require a jailbroken device. I'm not very familiar with Android, so I'm not > sure if SPP is supported there or not. > > I agree that Bluetooth SPP would be the way to go. Once it's properly > supported by iOS. Hopefully at some point it will be. > > David, W4SMT > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] iPad/iPhone control app
Thanks for the info, David. Was not aware that Apple was not supporting BT-SPP (I am using another brand smartphone) which has been around since the beginning of BT and is supported by virtually every OS and BT stack I know of (well, I didn't know about iOS obviously ;-)). 73, Olli - Original Message - From: "David Fleming" To: "Elecraft reflector" Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 12:01 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] iPad/iPhone control app Oliver Dröse wrote: > Why don't use Bluetooth? Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, and I hope I am, but it is my understanding that at this point in time Apple does not support the Bluetooth Serial Port Profile (SPP). There are hacks that apparently work, but they require a jailbroken device. I'm not very familiar with Android, so I'm not sure if SPP is supported there or not. I agree that Bluetooth SPP would be the way to go. Once it's properly supported by iOS. Hopefully at some point it will be. David, W4SMT __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html - eMail ist virenfrei. Von AVG überprüft - www.avg.de Version: 10.0.1392 / Virendatenbank: 1520/3859 - Ausgabedatum: 26.08.2011 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] iPad/iPhone control app
Oliver Dröse wrote: > Why don't use Bluetooth? Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, and I hope I am, but it is my understanding that at this point in time Apple does not support the Bluetooth Serial Port Profile (SPP). There are hacks that apparently work, but they require a jailbroken device. I'm not very familiar with Android, so I'm not sure if SPP is supported there or not. I agree that Bluetooth SPP would be the way to go. Once it's properly supported by iOS. Hopefully at some point it will be. David, W4SMT __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] iPad/iPhone control app
> I received a couple of emails asking how the app would > connect to the radio.. There are several options. WiFi/Serial > and Ethernet/Serial adapters are available that could provide > the serial communication with the rig. Why don't use Bluetooth? I developed a small BT module that connects directly to the RS-232 port of the K3 (and is available as a low cost kit from the German FUNKAMATEUR magazine). Works like a charm controlling the K3's serial interface, I use it all the time for rig control during contests, etc. > It could also be done with a helper app. I have developed a small > "serial server" that runs on a PC or Mac connected to the radio. > The iPad app connects to the helper app over the network. The > helper app simply forwards commands from the iPad app to the > radio, and forwards responses from the radio to the app. It works > well and costs nothing. Since most folks already have computers > attached to their rigs, this would be the most popular option - I expect. Why would somebody want to control the radio from an iPhone or iPad with a PC or Mac connected to the radio? If I need to rely on a PC/Mac for the radio interconnection anyway isn't it easier to use this for rig control directly then? ;-)) Bigger screen, more comfortable, etc. To my mind a control app for a PDA (no matter what OS and/or manufacturer) only makes sense if you can use it "real portable" meaning no dependencies to other hardware or a network, just a simple 1:1 connection between PDA and radio. But that's just my personal opinion. ;-)) 73, Olli - DH8BQA __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] iPad/iPhone control app
I actually have this in the works, to interface radios to HamLog on iDevices and Android. The first basic prototype is working on the breadboard. I'll mention it here when it's ready to go. 73, Nick N3WG On Aug 26, 2011, at 4:10 AM, "David Ferrington, M0XDF" wrote: > If this is to be used to control and possibly log from a KX3, then it needs > to be a direct connection between the IOS device and the KX3 - so supporting > a bluetooth serial adapter might be the way to go > 73 de M0XDF, K3 #174, P3 #108, KX3 #??? > -- > Whales have calves, Cats have kittens, Bears have cubs, > Bats have bittens, Swans have cygnets, Seals have puppies, > But guppies just have little guppies. - Ogden Nash (1902-1971) > > On 26 Aug 2011, at 03:54, David Fleming wrote: > >> On Thu, 8/25/11, Phil Hystad wrote: >> >>> As far as browsing memories idea mentioned below, one way >>> to do this is to do a full page sweep by flicking a page >>> aside and bringing up a new page. Each page is the >>> same basic interface for the KX3 but each new page is a >>> different setup with memories, modes, and so on. >> >> Now THAT is an excellent idea. Imagine flipping through any number of >> "virtual" KX3's (or K3's) like pages in a book. One for CW, one for SSB, one >> for RTTY, etc.. Each with it's own custom memories, macros, eq, agc, >> filters, etc. Wow! That would be très cool! >> >> I received a couple of emails asking how the app would connect to the radio. >> There are several options. WiFi/Serial and Ethernet/Serial adapters are >> available that could provide the serial communication with the rig. Either >> of these would allow the app to connect over the local network (or internet) >> without having a computer attached. The downside is the cost. These adapters >> are relatively expensive. It could also be done with a helper app. I have >> developed a small "serial server" that runs on a PC or Mac connected to the >> radio. The iPad app connects to the helper app over the network. The helper >> app simply forwards commands from the iPad app to the radio, and forwards >> responses from the radio to the app. It works well and costs nothing. Since >> most folks already have computers attached to their rigs, this would be the >> most popular option - I expect. :) A google search shows there are other >> options out there. Most appear to be "hacks" and involve >> jailbreaking the device. >> >> David, W4SMT >> __ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] iPad/iPhone control app
If this is to be used to control and possibly log from a KX3, then it needs to be a direct connection between the IOS device and the KX3 - so supporting a bluetooth serial adapter might be the way to go 73 de M0XDF, K3 #174, P3 #108, KX3 #??? -- Whales have calves, Cats have kittens, Bears have cubs, Bats have bittens, Swans have cygnets, Seals have puppies, But guppies just have little guppies. - Ogden Nash (1902-1971) On 26 Aug 2011, at 03:54, David Fleming wrote: > On Thu, 8/25/11, Phil Hystad wrote: > >> As far as browsing memories idea mentioned below, one way >> to do this is to do a full page sweep by flicking a page >> aside and bringing up a new page. Each page is the >> same basic interface for the KX3 but each new page is a >> different setup with memories, modes, and so on. > > Now THAT is an excellent idea. Imagine flipping through any number of > "virtual" KX3's (or K3's) like pages in a book. One for CW, one for SSB, one > for RTTY, etc.. Each with it's own custom memories, macros, eq, agc, filters, > etc. Wow! That would be très cool! > > I received a couple of emails asking how the app would connect to the radio. > There are several options. WiFi/Serial and Ethernet/Serial adapters are > available that could provide the serial communication with the rig. Either of > these would allow the app to connect over the local network (or internet) > without having a computer attached. The downside is the cost. These adapters > are relatively expensive. It could also be done with a helper app. I have > developed a small "serial server" that runs on a PC or Mac connected to the > radio. The iPad app connects to the helper app over the network. The helper > app simply forwards commands from the iPad app to the radio, and forwards > responses from the radio to the app. It works well and costs nothing. Since > most folks already have computers attached to their rigs, this would be the > most popular option - I expect. :) A google search shows there are other > options out there. Most appear to be "hacks" and involve > jailbreaking the device. > > David, W4SMT > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] iPad/iPhone control app
David and others... I was thinking of doing an iPad app at one time and decided that one way that would be reasonably easy is to create a server on my iMac that did all the heavy work and the interface to the K3 or KX3 or whatever. Then, the iPad to server interface is via web services to the server on your local computer that then handles all of the comms interface to the K[X]3. Now, if Apple would add a "Service Bus" to iCloud in a manner similar to the AppFabric service bus in Microsoft Azure Cloud then it would even be better. That way, you do away with all the server connection problems (firewall, routers, IP issues, and so on) by hosting your server connection in the cloud itself and not on your own computer. Your computer at home is still involved but now it is a client to the service connection point in the cloud rather then a server connection and therefore none of the big issues. It is a rather cool feature that we are making use of in our business (we are doing a Azure cloud hosted application). phil On Aug 25, 2011, at 7:54 PM, David Fleming wrote: > On Thu, 8/25/11, Phil Hystad wrote: > >> As far as browsing memories idea mentioned below, one way >> to do this is to do a full page sweep by flicking a page >> aside and bringing up a new page. Each page is the >> same basic interface for the KX3 but each new page is a >> different setup with memories, modes, and so on. > > Now THAT is an excellent idea. Imagine flipping through any number of > "virtual" KX3's (or K3's) like pages in a book. One for CW, one for SSB, one > for RTTY, etc.. Each with it's own custom memories, macros, eq, agc, filters, > etc. Wow! That would be très cool! > > I received a couple of emails asking how the app would connect to the radio. > There are several options. WiFi/Serial and Ethernet/Serial adapters are > available that could provide the serial communication with the rig. Either of > these would allow the app to connect over the local network (or internet) > without having a computer attached. The downside is the cost. These adapters > are relatively expensive. It could also be done with a helper app. I have > developed a small "serial server" that runs on a PC or Mac connected to the > radio. The iPad app connects to the helper app over the network. The helper > app simply forwards commands from the iPad app to the radio, and forwards > responses from the radio to the app. It works well and costs nothing. Since > most folks already have computers attached to their rigs, this would be the > most popular option - I expect. :) A google search shows there are other > options out there. Most appear to be "hacks" and involve > jailbreaking the device. > > David, W4SMT > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] iPad/iPhone control app
On Thu, 8/25/11, Phil Hystad wrote: > As far as browsing memories idea mentioned below, one way > to do this is to do a full page sweep by flicking a page > aside and bringing up a new page. Each page is the > same basic interface for the KX3 but each new page is a > different setup with memories, modes, and so on. Now THAT is an excellent idea. Imagine flipping through any number of "virtual" KX3's (or K3's) like pages in a book. One for CW, one for SSB, one for RTTY, etc.. Each with it's own custom memories, macros, eq, agc, filters, etc. Wow! That would be très cool! I received a couple of emails asking how the app would connect to the radio. There are several options. WiFi/Serial and Ethernet/Serial adapters are available that could provide the serial communication with the rig. Either of these would allow the app to connect over the local network (or internet) without having a computer attached. The downside is the cost. These adapters are relatively expensive. It could also be done with a helper app. I have developed a small "serial server" that runs on a PC or Mac connected to the radio. The iPad app connects to the helper app over the network. The helper app simply forwards commands from the iPad app to the radio, and forwards responses from the radio to the app. It works well and costs nothing. Since most folks already have computers attached to their rigs, this would be the most popular option - I expect. :) A google search shows there are other options out there. Most appear to be "hacks" and involve jailbreaking the device. David, W4SMT __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] iPad/iPhone control app (was KX3 Approx Cost/User Downloads/Dev)
Yep, thanks Phil...I should clarify, at least for David's sake, that when I said "some equivalent of knob turning" I did not mean that literally...I meant some appropriate means of sweeping along a band like we would do if we were turning a knob. An appropriate gesture in the iOS gesture universe is perfectly fine (and what I really had in mind). ;-) Also, this seems to be diverging from the original thread, so I've taken the liberty to change the subject so those not interested can skip it if they want to. (And finally as a quick, seriously OT comment for those who use MACs, I just picked up a new MacBook Air with Lion...WOW what a little screamer! It just about runs circles around my 3 Year old top-of-the-line iMac which is no slouch in it's own right. Holy smokes!) 73 & Aloha, Dave AH6TD On Aug 25, 2011, at 3:42 PM, Phil Hystad wrote: > Adding on to the discussion... > > For an iPad app I hope there are no knobs! iPad is all about touch gestures. > Touch finger sweeps for tuning should work great. I can see one use of a > knob if it has one of those little finger depressions on it and you can then > use touch to "spin" the knob around. > > Shift and width adjustments can be done using the pinch motion touch gesture. > Of course, all other buttons and and switches are touch as well. > > As far as browsing memories idea mentioned below, one way to do this is to do > a full page sweep by flicking a page aside and bringing up a new page. Each > page is the same basic interface for the KX3 but each new page is a different > setup with memories, modes, and so on. > > Unfortunately, there are still a number of ipad apps that are still in the > old mouse & keyboard mode of interaction. The ipad is best used with touch > of course so as much of the touch gesture world that is possible should be > used where it fits. As far as going over board though -- I think Lion went a > little overboard with its touch gestures. Very powerful but so many that I > can't remember them all. Especially when the gesture is two-figured sweeps > versus 3-finger sweeps. Can't remember which is which most of the time. > Finally though on Lion I am used to the new way of scrolling -- I have been > retrained to scroll the page instead of scrolling the scroll bar -- for you > non Lion people, the movement is in opposite directions. > > 73, phil, K7PEH > Two iMacs, Two Mac Book Pro laptops, Two iPhones, one iPad (xyl doesn't want > one). > > > On Aug 25, 2011, at 6:14 PM, David Herring wrote: > >> I can see using such an app. >> >> The things that I would want to see initially in such a program would be: >> >> Tuning, both by some equivalent of knob turning and by direct entry >> AF & RF gain adjustments >> shift & width adjustments >> mode switching >> antenna switching & ATU control >> Memory access and maybe even memory management. No dig intended on other >> memory managers here, I just think it would be nice for the app to be a >> "one-stop" affair. Would like to browse the memories in order to select >> what I want to tune to, and then if I see something wrong, would like to >> edit it in the moment. >> >> As you can see, my needs in such a thing are basic. Anything beyond what >> I've listed here would be great, but not at the expense of these 6 core >> things. Do these core things *really* well, and you'll have a winner, IMHO. >> >> 73 & Aloha, >> Dave AH6TD >> >> >> On Aug 25, 2011, at 11:03 AM, David Fleming wrote: >> >>> --- Wayne wrote: >>> I'm picturing control via smart phones, netbooks, and iPads. >>> >>> I've done some preliminary design work on a K3 remote control app for iOS >>> (iPhone/iPad). I'm curious if there is much demand for such an app? And if >>> so, what features/functionality would be most desirable? >>> >>> David, W4SMT >>> >>> >>> __ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> >> __ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
