[Elecraft] P3: Is ther a way to move macros from one P3 to another P3?

[Dave]

Hi,

I have 50 macros programmed into one P3, and want to move them to a 
different P3.


Does anyone know of a way to move the macros programmed into one P3, to 
a different P3, not by simply retyping them into the new P3?


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[Elecraft] P3 For Sale

[Don Minkoff]

I am listing this for a friend.

   P3 Panadaptor, S/N 996 in excellent physical and operating
   condition.  Does _NOT have _ SVGA or TX monitor.  Original manual
   and required cables included.  Power cable connects to D.C. output
   of K3/K3s.  I no longer have a need for this great accessory.  Price
   is $825. shipped CONUS.  Payment via Zelle or USPS money order.
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Acting Wonky

[James Bennett via Elecraft]

That’s for sure. And this is a good one to belong to. :-)

73, Jim / K7TXA

> On Sep 23, 2021, at 4:20 PM, Lou Mecseri  wrote:
> 
> A "community" is smarter than one individual. Hi.
> 
> 73, Lou KE1F
> 
> On 9/23/2021 22:11, James Bennett via Elecraft wrote:
>> Bingo! That was it Mike - thanks! With as many cables to hook up with the 
>> K-Line (I thought this was wireless radio!) that is one I missed. Hooked up 
>> a short BNC cable and now it works.
>> 
>> Thanks again!
>> 
>> 
>> Jim Bennett
>> Eagle, ID
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 23, 2021, at 3:30 PM, Michael Carter  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Jim,
>>> 
>>> At the risk of asking the obvious question, did you remember to
>>> connect the coaxial cable from the K3 IF output to the P3 input?
>>> The other data functions are handled by the RS-232 cabling,
>>> but without RF there's nothing to display.
>>> 
>>> Mike, K8CN
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Acting Wonky

[Lou Mecseri]

A "community" is smarter than one individual. Hi.

73, Lou KE1F

On 9/23/2021 22:11, James Bennett via Elecraft wrote:

Bingo! That was it Mike - thanks! With as many cables to hook up with the 
K-Line (I thought this was wireless radio!) that is one I missed. Hooked up a 
short BNC cable and now it works.

Thanks again!


Jim Bennett
Eagle, ID





On Sep 23, 2021, at 3:30 PM, Michael Carter  wrote:

Jim,

At the risk of asking the obvious question, did you remember to
connect the coaxial cable from the K3 IF output to the P3 input?
The other data functions are handled by the RS-232 cabling,
but without RF there's nothing to display.

Mike, K8CN
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Acting Wonky

[James Bennett via Elecraft]

Bingo! That was it Mike - thanks! With as many cables to hook up with the 
K-Line (I thought this was wireless radio!) that is one I missed. Hooked up a 
short BNC cable and now it works. 

Thanks again!


Jim Bennett
Eagle, ID




> On Sep 23, 2021, at 3:30 PM, Michael Carter  wrote:
> 
> Jim,
> 
> At the risk of asking the obvious question, did you remember to
> connect the coaxial cable from the K3 IF output to the P3 input?
> The other data functions are handled by the RS-232 cabling,
> but without RF there's nothing to display.
> 
> Mike, K8CN
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Acting Wonky

[Don Wilhelm]

Jim,

Check the BNC cable between the K3 IF Out and the P3.  At the P3 end, 
make sure it is connected to IF IN.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 9/23/2021 4:48 PM, James Bennett via Elecraft wrote:

Hope someone can help me out on this one. I just moved into a new home, 
relocating my station from CA to ID. Got the K3/P3/KAT500/KPA500 all hooked up. 
All was working fine at the previous QTH. Now, the P3 is not showing me any 
signals. The “signal level” is below S0. I have an IC-705 that I key up at 10 
watts into an inside dipole. It registers 60 over S9 on the K3 meter, but not a 
trace of signal showing on the P3. The frequency display on the P3 is spot-on 
with what the K3 is set to. If I turn on marker A on the P3 then tap to QSY, 
the K3 obeys and follows. That kinda tells me the cabling between the two is OK.

So, why do I not see any signal at all on the P3? Pilot error? Could be, but 
where…?



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[Elecraft] P3 Acting Wonky

[Michael Carter]

Jim,

At the risk of asking the obvious question, did you remember to
connect the coaxial cable from the K3 IF output to the P3 input?
The other data functions are handled by the RS-232 cabling,
but without RF there's nothing to display.

Mike, K8CN
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[Elecraft] P3 Acting Wonky

[James Bennett via Elecraft]

Hope someone can help me out on this one. I just moved into a new home, 
relocating my station from CA to ID. Got the K3/P3/KAT500/KPA500 all hooked up. 
All was working fine at the previous QTH. Now, the P3 is not showing me any 
signals. The “signal level” is below S0. I have an IC-705 that I key up at 10 
watts into an inside dipole. It registers 60 over S9 on the K3 meter, but not a 
trace of signal showing on the P3. The frequency display on the P3 is spot-on 
with what the K3 is set to. If I turn on marker A on the P3 then tap to QSY, 
the K3 obeys and follows. That kinda tells me the cabling between the two is 
OK. 

So, why do I not see any signal at all on the P3? Pilot error? Could be, but 
where…?


Jim Bennett
Eagle, ID



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[Elecraft] P3 price

[Chris Meagher]

Wanting to know the price of new P3 and SVGA board in US$
before they were discontinued.

thanks
Chris VK2ACD
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[Elecraft] P3 SVGA board wanted

[Tom Boucher]

Does anyone have an SVGA board for the P3 Panadapter for sale?

Thanks,
Tom G3OLB
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 frequency Display

[CUTTER DAVID via Elecraft]

According to my calculations on MIL217 connectors are the least reliable of all 
components from memory

David G3UNA

> On 10 June 2021 at 17:17 lmarion mailto:lmar...@mt.net > 
> wrote:
> 
> 
> retried FAA electronic tech, I have fixed by far more by repluging or
> reseating a card or connector on multi million dollar equipment
> than part replacement.
> 
> leroy AB7CE
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: N4ZR
> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2021 9:22 AM
> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net mailto:elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 frequency Display
> 
> I was cruising the archive yesterday on another P3 question and was
> struck by how many people reported problems that cleared up when they
> reinserted or tightened connectors
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 frequency Display

[lmarion]

retried FAA  electronic tech, I have fixed by far more by repluging or 
reseating a card or connector on multi million dollar equipment

than part replacement.

leroy AB7CE

-Original Message- 
From: N4ZR

Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2021 9:22 AM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 frequency Display

I was cruising the archive yesterday on another P3 question and was
struck by how many people reported problems that cleared up when they
reinserted or tightened connectors


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Re: [Elecraft] P3 frequency Display

[N4ZR]

I was cruising the archive yesterday on another P3 question and was 
struck by how many people reported problems that cleared up when they 
reinserted or tightened connectors


73, Pete N4ZR
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On 6/10/2021 8:30 AM, Ray Spreadbury via Elecraft wrote:

Thanks for the various ideas but still no solution to my problem.
I can only think either my Elecraft cable P3/RS232 is partially faulty – (my PC 
is however picking up the frequency info for the logging program from the PC 
RS232 socket on the P3) or there is a firmware problem in the P3 which I will 
try and update.
73
Ray G3XLG

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[Elecraft] P3 frequency Display

[Ray Spreadbury via Elecraft]

Thanks for the various ideas but still no solution to my problem. 
I can only think either my Elecraft cable P3/RS232 is partially faulty – (my PC 
is however picking up the frequency info for the logging program from the PC 
RS232 socket on the P3) or there is a firmware problem in the P3 which I will 
try and update.
73
Ray G3XLG

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[Elecraft] P3 Frequency Display

[w4sc]

1) Ref pp 19 of K3S owners manual.
2)  Make SURE the RJ45 is plugged in .  You must heat the latch “click” 
plugging this cable in, or it may not be making connection.

de Ben W4SC

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[Elecraft] P3 Frequency Display

[Ray Spreadbury via Elecraft]

The K3S is connected using the Elecraft RS232P3 cable and in the P3, the radio 
selected is the K3 and the RS232 speed is 38400 baud. 
I believe the cable is working OK as I am connecting from the P3 RS232 port to 
my PC at 38400 for CAT control in my logger.
Any other ideas please?
73 Ray G3XLG

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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Frequency Display

[Martin Sole]

That sounds like either, there is no RS232 connection cable between the 
K3(S) and the P3 or, the P3 radio configuration is not properly set. 
Check the P3 manual for radio configuration and RS232 port speed etc.


Martin, HS0ZED


On 9/6/64 19:08, Ray Spreadbury via Elecraft wrote:

My new to me P3 is not displaying the frequency but rather at the top has a 0 
in the middle and +5, and -5 at either end if the spread is set to 10 for 
example. How do I get the frequency displayed please?
73 Ray G3XLG


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[Elecraft] P3 Frequency Display

[Ray Spreadbury via Elecraft]

My new to me P3 is not displaying the frequency but rather at the top has a 0 
in the middle and +5, and -5 at either end if the spread is set to 10 for 
example. How do I get the frequency displayed please?
73 Ray G3XLG


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Re: [Elecraft] P3 freezes

[Bill Frantz]

I travel with my computer and connect it to my K3 (upgraded) 
every time I go on the air. The last time I started operating, I 
noticed that my P3 did not know the frequency the K3 was using. 
I then noticed that I hadn't plugged the USB connection between 
the K3 and the computer into the computer. I plugged it in and 
everything worked again.


I think this may have been because the K3 needs to be polled in 
order to send the frequency data. (There is a menu option to 
automatically send the frequency data. I am away from the radio 
so I can't check how it is set on my K3.) Hooking the radio to 
my computer let the logging program provide the polling.


73 Bill AE6JV

On 6/8/21 at 10:15 PM, gthorn...@thorntonmostullaw.com (George 
Thornton) wrote:


I have a more or less fully loaded K3 with the synthesizer 
upgrades.  The K3 was gone through at the factory and appears 
to be running well.


I have a P3 that also has the SVGA card and the transmit monitor add on.

On a number of occasions my P3 seems to freeze and fails to 
move with tuning as I turn the tuning knob.


Before I call Elecraft for guidance I wonder if anyone has any suggestions.
THANKS.


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Re: [Elecraft] P3 freezes

[George Thornton]

I have a more or less fully loaded K3 with the synthesizer upgrades.  The K3 
was gone through at the factory and appears to be running well.

I have a P3 that also has the SVGA card and the transmit monitor add on.

On a number of occasions my P3 seems to freeze and fails to move with tuning as 
I turn the tuning knob.

Before I call Elecraft for guidance I wonder if anyone has any suggestions.  

THANKS.  

-Original Message-
From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net  On 
Behalf Of Bill Johnson
Sent: Monday, June 7, 2021 6:29 PM
To: w...@flashdog.us; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K4 Lore

This was conversation when I was an FT for the KTA500.  My goal was to get that 
to happen.  There are already appliances to do so.  The MFJ 998 is both an in 
shack and also a remote device as well.  I use the in shack model which I 
operate remotely.  I think that is not the profitable route for elecraft at the 
moment.  They could chew up competition, but not a good pursuit given all the 
challenges of production and parts issues.  Please, understand that I have not 
insight, nor a clue of Elecrafts inside operation.

Bill
K9YEQ

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Subject: [Elecraft] K4 Lore

What would really be great is if we could get this Elecraft tuner in a remote 
option for the K4, K3S, K3 (& maybe, those other brands, too). 
IMHO, It’s the missing Elecraft option.
73,
Jeff/wb0m


Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2021 00:46:46 -0400
From: Julia Tuttle mailto:ju...@juliatuttle.net>>

"Elecraft's ATUs are generally wider range than other manufacturers', I 
thought, and that comes at a parts cost that everyone might not want to pay. 
I'd rather have the option for a wide range one than a built-in but less 
capable one."

On Fri, Jun 4, 2021, 00:41 John Nicholson mailto:macymonk...@charter.net>> wrote:

> Yes and no; both the IC-7610 and FTdx101 models include an internal 
> tuner without an optional charge.
> 
> John K7FD
> 
>> On Jun 3, 2021, at 9:23 PM, Rick Tavan > > wrote:
>> 
>> ?Ed K1EP mentioned that the K4 ATU is a cost-extra option on all K4
> models.
>> This is as it should be. If you have an external tuner in the shack 
>> or at the antenna or a tuner integrated into an amplifier that's 
>> always in line (or in Standby with the tuner enabled) or if all your 
>> antennas are well matched, you wouldn't want to pay Elecraft for a 
>> tuner inside K4 that you wouldn't be using. OTOH if, like me, you 
>> sometimes take your K4 to the field or operate it at a shack where 
>> there is no external auto-tuner,
> then
>> the K4 ATU option is delightful. IMHO, Elecraft made some good 
>> decisions
> on
>> what to include as standard and what to "optionalize" in K4.
>> 
>> /Rick N6XI
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Re: [Elecraft] P3

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On 5/23/2021 11:23 AM, ke9uw wrote:

yes


To what?

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Re: [Elecraft] P3

[ke9uw]

yes



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Re: [Elecraft] P3

[Macy monkeys]

And how about pigs and chickens? :) You gotta' love spell check...

John K7FD

> On May 22, 2021, at 9:51 AM, Andy Reistetter  wrote:
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> Can a P3 copy cow like the PX3?
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[Elecraft] P3

[Andy Reistetter]

Can a P3 copy cow like the PX3?

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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Failure, and question

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Hi Ben,
Thank you for the information!!!  I will look to see if that cap is wrong!

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On 4/12/21 3:37 PM, w4sc wrote:

I had a similar problem.

I purchased a P3 kit in 2015, assembled, and it worked well.  The firmware as 
received, was a rev behind.  Trying to upgrade via the normal method, was 
unable to accomplish.  Trying to force an upgrade, was unsuccessful.  Had to 
return for warranty repair.  The EEPROM was corrupted.

All was OK until about 4 years ago, the P3, occasionally, would not boot up. I 
received some guidance from one of the engineers, to check a capacitor in the 
P3 power supply.  If it was a tantalum  (10 uF I believe), it was the incorrect 
value, and to change to 0.1uf (1206 sized).  After the capacitor change, no 
more powerup issues.  I believe there was a supply sequencing issue.

I am looking for the details, and when found, I will post.

Ben W4SC

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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Failure, and question

[w4sc]

I had a similar problem.

I purchased a P3 kit in 2015, assembled, and it worked well.  The firmware as 
received, was a rev behind.  Trying to upgrade via the normal method, was 
unable to accomplish.  Trying to force an upgrade, was unsuccessful.  Had to 
return for warranty repair.  The EEPROM was corrupted.

All was OK until about 4 years ago, the P3, occasionally, would not boot up. I 
received some guidance from one of the engineers, to check a capacitor in the 
P3 power supply.  If it was a tantalum  (10 uF I believe), it was the incorrect 
value, and to change to 0.1uf (1206 sized).  After the capacitor change, no 
more powerup issues.  I believe there was a supply sequencing issue. 

I am looking for the details, and when found, I will post.

Ben W4SC

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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Failure and such

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On 4/12/2021 12:19 PM, Dave Cole wrote:

In my case, I use the K3 power switch to shut down the station rig and P3.


That's I do, sort of -- I use my #1 K3's 12V accessory output to drive a 
relay that turns off everything in my station except the other radio. 
The K3s are fed with short, fat copper from a 100Ah LiFePO4 battery; 
everything else runs from a 100Ah SLA battery. That SLA's load includes 
antenna switching, P3/SVGAs, three video monitors, two LP100A power 
monitors, and LED strips that are task-lighting for the operating position.


Batteries are float charged using re-purposed Thinkpad power supplies 
with Genasun solar charge regulators.


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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Failure and such

[Dave Cole]

In my case, I use the K3 power switch to shut down the station rig and 
P3.  Thanks!


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On 4/12/21 11:55 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:

I’ve always found and was taught that one should not just dump the power on 
station shut-down. This could be the cause of many mysterious and lucid 
operation

  Likewise; on power up:
(A). Power supply on first
(B). Transceiver on next
(C). P3 on if not powered from the K3
(D). KAT500 on if not powered from the K3

Shutdown the items in reverse order. NEVER just dump the power as there is a 
Power Down Imminent (PDI) circuit which saves data and then correctly shuts 
down the systems.

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[Elecraft] P3 Failure and such

[Bob McGraw K4TAX]

I’ve always found and was taught that one should not just dump the power on 
station shut-down. This could be the cause of many mysterious and lucid 
operation 

 Likewise; on power up:
(A). Power supply on first
(B). Transceiver on next
(C). P3 on if not powered from the K3
(D). KAT500 on if not powered from the K3

Shutdown the items in reverse order. NEVER just dump the power as there is a 
Power Down Imminent (PDI) circuit which saves data and then correctly shuts 
down the systems. 

73
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Failure, and question

[Howard Saxion via Elecraft]

I do not.  The repair invoice from Elecraft only indicated a faulty I/O board 
which was replaced. 
73
Howard/WX7HS

> On Apr 12, 2021, at 09:35, Dave New  wrote:
> 
>  Do you know just what failed on the I/O board?  Was it possibly due to 
> static discharge?
> 
> I tend to leave an antenna connected, except during active weather, but 
> curious if there is something sensitive in the P3 I/O area that can fail 
> easily from a surge, like the old RS-232 circuitry in the original K3.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> -- Dave, N8SBE
> 
> Quoting Howard Saxion via Elecraft :
> 
>> I had a similar problem with my P3 with SVGA. I had to cycle through the 
>> on-off switch a few times before it would fully power up. Once powered up, 
>> everything was working and stable.  I tried reseating the ribbon cables but 
>> that had no effect.
>> 
>> I contacted Elecraft technical support and they had me try a few things but 
>> that did not solve the problem. I sent it to Elecraft and it turned out that 
>> the I/O board was faulty. The repair cost was approximately $200 for a new 
>> board and labor.
>> 
>> 73
>> Howard/WX7HS
>> 
 On Apr 12, 2021, at 06:05, Dave Cole  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Rick,
>>> 
>>> Thank you!  I appreciate the datapoint in this.  I was just looking over 
>>> the schematic and came to the same conclusion...  It looks like a backlight 
>>> problem to me as well...  I tried to find a datasheet on teh 4538 IC that 
>>> appears to control it, but alas, nope.  I got mine to come back on by power 
>>> cycling it as well...
>>> 
>>> Hopefully someone has actually fixed this, and knows which cap...
>>> 
>>> 73, and thanks,
>>> Dave (NK7Z)
>>> https://www.nk7z.net
>>> ARRL Volunteer Examiner
>>> ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
>>> ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources
>>> 
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 My P3 does the same thing.  If i keep cycling power it eventually comes
 on and works.  I suspect there is a bad capacitor in the LCD backlight
 power.  I have not actually looking into it yet.
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Failure, and question

[Dave New]

 Do you know just what failed on the I/O board?  Was it possibly due  
to static discharge?


I tend to leave an antenna connected, except during active weather,  
but curious if there is something sensitive in the P3 I/O area that  
can fail easily from a surge, like the old RS-232 circuitry in the  
original K3.


Thanks,

-- Dave, N8SBE

Quoting Howard Saxion via Elecraft :

I had a similar problem with my P3 with SVGA. I had to cycle  
through the on-off switch a few times before it would fully power  
up. Once powered up, everything was working and stable.  I tried  
reseating the ribbon cables but that had no effect.


I contacted Elecraft technical support and they had me try a few  
things but that did not solve the problem. I sent it to Elecraft and  
it turned out that the I/O board was faulty. The repair cost was  
approximately $200 for a new board and labor.


73
Howard/WX7HS


On Apr 12, 2021, at 06:05, Dave Cole  wrote:

Rick,

Thank you!  I appreciate the datapoint in this.  I was just looking  
over the schematic and came to the same conclusion...  It looks  
like a backlight problem to me as well...  I tried to find a  
datasheet on teh 4538 IC that appears to control it, but alas,  
nope.  I got mine to come back on by power cycling it as well...


Hopefully someone has actually fixed this, and knows which cap...

73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
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ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources


On 4/12/21 5:27 AM, Rick Stanback wrote:
My P3 does the same thing.  If i keep cycling power it eventually comes
on and works.  I suspect there is a bad capacitor in the LCD backlight
power.  I have not actually looking into it yet.


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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Failure, and question

[Dave Cole]

Thanks Howard, I'll call you later today...

73, and thanks,
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On 4/12/21 7:05 AM, Howard Saxion wrote:

I had a similar problem with my P3 with SVGA. I had to cycle through the 
on-off switch a few times before it would fully power up. Once powered up, 
everything was working and stable.  I tried reseating the ribbon cables but 
that had no effect.

I contacted Elecraft technical support and they had me try a few things but 
that did not solve the problem. I sent it to Elecraft and it turned out that 
the I/O board was faulty. The repair cost was approximately $200 for a new 
board and labor.

73
Howard/WX7HS



On Apr 12, 2021, at 06:05, Dave Cole  wrote:

Rick,

Thank you!  I appreciate the datapoint in this.  I was just looking over the 
schematic and came to the same conclusion...  It looks like a backlight problem 
to me as well...  I tried to find a datasheet on teh 4538 IC that appears to 
control it, but alas, nope.  I got mine to come back on by power cycling it as 
well...

Hopefully someone has actually fixed this, and knows which cap...

73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
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ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources


On 4/12/21 5:27 AM, Rick Stanback wrote:
My P3 does the same thing.  If i keep cycling power it eventually comes
on and works.  I suspect there is a bad capacitor in the LCD backlight
power.  I have not actually looking into it yet.

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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Failure, and question

[Dave Cole]

Hi Dave New,

It does help, and thank you... Mine has come back to life as well, 
(power cycling it), and I am worried about turning it off now as well...


I will get an RSA from Elecraft and send it in...  I'll report back to 
the list what they find, and how long it took to get repaired.


If you discover the issue, please let me know if you would!  I won't be 
sending mine back tomorrow, but sooner than later.  Also, THANK YOU 
again for the information.


73, and thanks,
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On 4/12/21 6:39 AM, Dave New wrote:
  I've been experiencing intermittent failures of the internal display, 
as well as loss of at least one setting (Track/Fix).


I've been leaving the K3s/P3 powered on continuously, but recently 
started turning them off, to save some 'always on' energy while trying 
to figure out why our house is running about 1200 watts continuously.


So, when powering on the combination (the P3 is set to power on with the 
K3s power), very nearly always now, the internal display fails to come 
on, but the SVGA display always works.  Normally, cycling the power 
switch on the P3 recovers the internal display, but just yesterday, I 
had to cycle the power several times before it came up.


I'm now leaving things powered on, until I can troubleshoot what the 
issue is.  I did go as far as looking in the P3 manual to see if there 
is a coin cell battery in it, that might need replacing, but that is 
apparently not so.


I'm concerned about the loss of settings, which may point to a corrupted 
EEPROM.  Reflashing the P3 hasn't fixed this, and so far, I've not tried 
a 'factory reset' on the P3, which would lose all my settings.


Hope that helps,

-- Dave, N8SBE

Quoting Dave Cole :


Rick,
A further thought on this...  Next time your P3 fails, can you try and 
grab an image from it using the utility?  I just thought of that, mine 
will not grab an image, when it is failed, so it is probably not the 
backlight on mine.


73, and thanks,
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On 4/12/21 6:03 AM, Dave Cole wrote:

Rick,

Thank you!  I appreciate the datapoint in this.  I was just looking 
over the schematic and came to the same conclusion...  It looks like 
a backlight problem to me as well...  I tried to find a datasheet on 
teh 4538 IC that appears to control it, but alas, nope.  I got mine 
to come back on by power cycling it as well...


Hopefully someone has actually fixed this, and knows which cap...

73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
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ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

On 4/12/21 5:27 AM, Rick Stanback wrote:

My P3 does the same thing.  If i keep cycling power it eventually comes
on and works.  I suspect there is a bad capacitor in the LCD backlight
power.  I have not actually looking into it yet.


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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Failure, and question

[Howard Saxion via Elecraft]

I had a similar problem with my P3 with SVGA. I had to cycle through the 
on-off switch a few times before it would fully power up. Once powered up, 
everything was working and stable.  I tried reseating the ribbon cables but 
that had no effect. 

I contacted Elecraft technical support and they had me try a few things but 
that did not solve the problem. I sent it to Elecraft and it turned out that 
the I/O board was faulty. The repair cost was approximately $200 for a new 
board and labor.  

73
Howard/WX7HS 


> On Apr 12, 2021, at 06:05, Dave Cole  wrote:
> 
> Rick,
> 
> Thank you!  I appreciate the datapoint in this.  I was just looking over the 
> schematic and came to the same conclusion...  It looks like a backlight 
> problem to me as well...  I tried to find a datasheet on teh 4538 IC that 
> appears to control it, but alas, nope.  I got mine to come back on by power 
> cycling it as well...
> 
> Hopefully someone has actually fixed this, and knows which cap...
> 
> 73, and thanks,
> Dave (NK7Z)
> https://www.nk7z.net
> ARRL Volunteer Examiner
> ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
> ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources
> 
>> On 4/12/21 5:27 AM, Rick Stanback wrote:
>> My P3 does the same thing.  If i keep cycling power it eventually comes
>> on and works.  I suspect there is a bad capacitor in the LCD backlight
>> power.  I have not actually looking into it yet.
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Failure, and question

[Dave New]

 I've been experiencing intermittent failures of the internal  
display, as well as loss of at least one setting (Track/Fix).


I've been leaving the K3s/P3 powered on continuously, but recently  
started turning them off, to save some 'always on' energy while trying  
to figure out why our house is running about 1200 watts continuously.


So, when powering on the combination (the P3 is set to power on with  
the K3s power), very nearly always now, the internal display fails to  
come on, but the SVGA display always works.  Normally, cycling the  
power switch on the P3 recovers the internal display, but just  
yesterday, I had to cycle the power several times before it came up.


I'm now leaving things powered on, until I can troubleshoot what the  
issue is.  I did go as far as looking in the P3 manual to see if there  
is a coin cell battery in it, that might need replacing, but that is  
apparently not so.


I'm concerned about the loss of settings, which may point to a  
corrupted EEPROM.  Reflashing the P3 hasn't fixed this, and so far,  
I've not tried a 'factory reset' on the P3, which would lose all my  
settings.


Hope that helps,

-- Dave, N8SBE

Quoting Dave Cole :


Rick,
A further thought on this...  Next time your P3 fails, can you try  
and grab an image from it using the utility?  I just thought of  
that, mine will not grab an image, when it is failed, so it is  
probably not the backlight on mine.


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On 4/12/21 6:03 AM, Dave Cole wrote:

Rick,

Thank you!  I appreciate the datapoint in this.  I was just looking  
over the schematic and came to the same conclusion...  It looks  
like a backlight problem to me as well...  I tried to find a  
datasheet on teh 4538 IC that appears to control it, but alas,  
nope.  I got mine to come back on by power cycling it as well...


Hopefully someone has actually fixed this, and knows which cap...

73, and thanks,
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On 4/12/21 5:27 AM, Rick Stanback wrote:

My P3 does the same thing.  If i keep cycling power it eventually comes
on and works.  I suspect there is a bad capacitor in the LCD backlight
power.  I have not actually looking into it yet.


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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Failure, and question

[Dave Cole]

Rick,
A further thought on this...  Next time your P3 fails, can you try and 
grab an image from it using the utility?  I just thought of that, mine 
will not grab an image, when it is failed, so it is probably not the 
backlight on mine.


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On 4/12/21 6:03 AM, Dave Cole wrote:

Rick,

Thank you!  I appreciate the datapoint in this.  I was just looking over 
the schematic and came to the same conclusion...  It looks like a 
backlight problem to me as well...  I tried to find a datasheet on teh 
4538 IC that appears to control it, but alas, nope.  I got mine to come 
back on by power cycling it as well...


Hopefully someone has actually fixed this, and knows which cap...

73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
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ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

On 4/12/21 5:27 AM, Rick Stanback wrote:

My P3 does the same thing.  If i keep cycling power it eventually comes
on and works.  I suspect there is a bad capacitor in the LCD backlight
power.  I have not actually looking into it yet.


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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Failure, and question

[Dave Cole]

Rick,

Thank you!  I appreciate the datapoint in this.  I was just looking over 
the schematic and came to the same conclusion...  It looks like a 
backlight problem to me as well...  I tried to find a datasheet on teh 
4538 IC that appears to control it, but alas, nope.  I got mine to come 
back on by power cycling it as well...


Hopefully someone has actually fixed this, and knows which cap...

73, and thanks,
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On 4/12/21 5:27 AM, Rick Stanback wrote:

My P3 does the same thing.  If i keep cycling power it eventually comes
on and works.  I suspect there is a bad capacitor in the LCD backlight
power.  I have not actually looking into it yet.


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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Failure, and question

[Rick Stanback]

My P3 does the same thing.  If i keep cycling power it eventually comes
on and works.  I suspect there is a bad capacitor in the LCD backlight
power.  I have not actually looking into it yet.

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Rick Stanback
N4WCQ


On Mon, 2021-04-12 at 04:41 -0700, Dave Cole wrote:
> A bit more data:
> 
> 1.  The (3 utility can talk to it.
> 2.  If I try and capture an image, it goes through the motions, but
> no 
> image is captured.
> 3.  It accepts commands via a keyboard.
> 4.  A load from the last config file did not correct things.
> 5.  A full power off and on did not correct things.
> 
> 73, and thanks,
> Dave (NK7Z)
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> 
> On 4/12/21 4:27 AM, Dave Cole wrote:
> > Hello,
> > 
> > My P3 seems to have had a display failure.  The SVGA is working, as
> > I 
> > can control the K3 via macros fired at it via the keyboard input. 
> > It 
> > failed to light off once before, but that seemed a one off thing,
> > not it 
> > seems permanent.
> > 
> > Has anyone seen this before?  If so, what was the cause?
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Failure, and question

[Dave Cole]

A bit more data:

1.  The (3 utility can talk to it.
2.  If I try and capture an image, it goes through the motions, but no 
image is captured.

3.  It accepts commands via a keyboard.
4.  A load from the last config file did not correct things.
5.  A full power off and on did not correct things.

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On 4/12/21 4:27 AM, Dave Cole wrote:

Hello,

My P3 seems to have had a display failure.  The SVGA is working, as I 
can control the K3 via macros fired at it via the keyboard input.  It 
failed to light off once before, but that seemed a one off thing, not it 
seems permanent.


Has anyone seen this before?  If so, what was the cause?


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[Elecraft] P3 Failur3, and question

[Dave Cole]

Hello,

My P3 seems to have had a display failure.  The SVGA is working, as I 
can control the K3 via macros fired at it via the keyboard input.  It 
failed to light off once before, but that seemed a one off thing, not it 
seems permanent.


Has anyone seen this before?  If so, what was the cause?

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[Elecraft] P3 wanted

[Lou W0FK]

Having found a K3S, I am now looking for a P3. One with "no options" is
preferred, but I will consider one with the VGA adapter. I'd really like to
find one that has the CBLP3Y KIO3B RJ45 cable. Please contact me directly at
lladerman AT earthlink DOT net with particulars and asking price. 73, Lou
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Newbie needs help.

[Alan Bloom]

If the frequency display at the top center of the P3 screen is reading 
zero, then that implies there is something wrong with the RS-232 
connection between the K3 and the P3.  Recheck the connections on page 5 
of the P3 manual:


https://ftp.elecraft.com/P3/Manuals%20Downloads/E740152%20P3%20Owner's%20man%20Rev%20H1.pdf

The two-headed cable should plug into the two RS-232 connectors on the 
P3 in the order shown.  Make sure all the connectors are well-seated.


Alan N1AL


On 3/31/2021 2:49 PM, Richard Hayman wrote:

Just picked up K3s and P3 combo. The K3s had just been returned from Elecraft 
service and seems to be working perfectly. I am replacing my old K3.

Anyway, in my rush to set everything up, I can’t figure out why I have no 
frequency display on the P3. Using USB connection to communicate to the both 
the P3 and K3s using the firmware utilities. All appears normal. So I assume 
RS-232 between the K3s and P3 is fully functional.

Gotta be something simple. Right?

73, Dick, WN3R
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Newbie needs help.

[Harlan Sherriff via Elecraft]

Try a BNC jumper from IF out on the radio to IF in on the P3

Harlan
K4HES

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> On Mar 31, 2021, at 4:52 PM, Richard Hayman  wrote:
> 
> Just picked up K3s and P3 combo. The K3s had just been returned from 
> Elecraft service and seems to be working perfectly. I am replacing my old K3.
> 
> Anyway, in my rush to set everything up, I can’t figure out why I have no 
> frequency display on the P3. Using USB connection to communicate to the both 
> the P3 and K3s using the firmware utilities. All appears normal. So I assume 
> RS-232 between the K3s and P3 is fully functional.
> 
> Gotta be something simple. Right?
> 
> 73, Dick, WN3R 
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[Elecraft] P3 Newbie needs help.

[Richard Hayman]

Just picked up K3s and P3 combo. The K3s had just been returned from Elecraft 
service and seems to be working perfectly. I am replacing my old K3.

Anyway, in my rush to set everything up, I can’t figure out why I have no 
frequency display on the P3. Using USB connection to communicate to the both 
the P3 and K3s using the firmware utilities. All appears normal. So I assume 
RS-232 between the K3s and P3 is fully functional.

Gotta be something simple. Right?

73, Dick, WN3R 
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[Elecraft] P3 not displaying correctly

[NJMike]

Let me first say that I am new to using a panadapterHowever, it has
worked fine since I got it a month ago.  But now it doesn't seem to reflect
what I am hearing on the K3S (which I got at the same time).

I am listening to an S9+ CW signal on 80m but do not see the signal on the
P3.  I believe that I have seen signals a lot weaker than this one in the
last month...

Also, I do not see any of the normal noise along the bottom of the spectrum
display on any band, except 10m.  I find this weird because, on 15m the
noise level is higher but there is no noise displayed on the P3.  But when I
switch to 10m, which is noticeable quieter, I can see the noise across the
bottom.

I have made no changes to wiring or connections.

Thanks,
Mike NJ2OM



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Re: [Elecraft] P3 span changing

[Fred Jensen]

Hi Alan,

Cool undocumented feature!  Guessed that FN5="MENU".  How do I get back 
to normal ... other than powering down?  I generally do not send P3 
commands, it seems to stay in sync with the K3 by itself, but do often 
have need to see what my program is sending to the K3, or getting back 
from the K3.  I'll paste your email into my station notebook.  And, yes, 
it's in MCU 1.60


73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 2/8/2021 4:07 PM, Alan Bloom wrote:
There is a little-known serial debug monitor in the P3 that shows the 
traffic on the two RS-232 ports.  You activate the function by 
simultaneously holding the DISPLAY/AVERAGE and FN1/FN5 buttons. The P3 
screen changes to show RS-232 traffic color-coded to show on which 
port and in which direction the traffic is going.


The data can fly by awfully fast when using a logging program. You can 
freeze the screen immediately after a band change by tapping the FN2 
key.  Tap it again to unfreeze the screen.  If you want to show more 
data you can choose a smaller font size with the MENU > Font feature.


I'm pretty sure that feature still exists in current P3 code.  I can't 
check this myself since all my ham equipment was recently lost in a fire.


Alan N1AL


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Re: [Elecraft] P3 span changing

[w4sc]

I have observed very similar occurrences.  For example changing bands, if the 
center frequency  was previously tuned to 10.000.00 MHz with a span of 20KHz, 
then changing to another band, say 20M or 40M, then back to 30M (10MHz), the 
center frequency will briefly appear in the upper left corner of the P3 
display, as well as in the center of the display.  It then corrects, with the 
proper  LH-CENTER-RH ( 9.990.00 – 10.000.00 – 10.010.00 ) displayed.  
Occasionally the display will show   ( 10.000.00 – 10.000.00 – 10.010.00 ) and 
not correct the display. Also the FILTER BAND PASS will appear on the left side 
of the display, remaining there.   All of the communication to the P3 in this 
case is from the K3S.  I have no computer or other device connected to the 
K3S/P3.  Initiating a “CENTER” command via the P3 “BUTTON” will usually correct 
the issue……

Ben W4SC

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Re: [Elecraft] P3 span changing

[Alan Bloom]

If you return to a band but at a different K3 VFO frequency, the new 
frequency may be outside the P3's span.  If that happens, the P3 will 
re-tune using an algorithm determined by the MENU > FixMode setting.


If you want to be sure the P3 frequency doesn't change you can set 
FixMode to "Static".  Then the P3 frequency range will not change even 
if the K3 VFO frequency is out of range.


It may be that some logging programs do not retain the old frequency 
upon a band change.  Even if the frequency is "wrong" only for an 
instant, that would be enough to confuse the P3 if not in "Static" mode.


It would be interesting to see what N1MM and other logging programs are 
sending to the P3/K3 on band changes.  There is a little-known serial 
debug monitor in the P3 that shows the traffic on the two RS-232 ports.  
You activate the function by simultaneously holding the DISPLAY/AVERAGE 
and FN1/FN5 buttons.  The P3 screen changes to show RS-232 traffic 
color-coded to show on which port and in which direction the traffic is 
going.


The data can fly by awfully fast when using a logging program.  You can 
freeze the screen immediately after a band change by tapping the FN2 
key.  Tap it again to unfreeze the screen.  If you want to show more 
data you can choose a smaller font size with the MENU > Font feature.


I'm pretty sure that feature still exists in current P3 code.  I can't 
check this myself since all my ham equipment was recently lost in a fire.


Alan N1AL


On 2/8/2021 4:05 PM, Jim McDonald wrote:

I use the Fixed Tune Mode too but the center frequency sometimes isn't 
remembered when returning to a previously-used band.  If it makes any 
difference, I'm usually using N1MM+ (often with Win4K3Suite) to control the 
radio.

73,  Jim N7US

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Behalf Of Fred Jensen
Sent: Monday, February 8, 2021 16:45
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 span changing

Don't understand your "follow option" question.  I run mine in Fixed Tune Mode 
which holds the span [i.e. edge frequencies] constant and the two VFO's show up as two 
vertical cursors in the spectrum display.  The cursors move as I tune, and when I go 
beyond the edge, the span shifts by the amount I've set in the menu ... I use a full 
span.  In the Tracking Mode, your receive frequency is always centered and the spectrum 
moves past it as you tune.

73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 2/8/2021 2:34 PM, Dave Cole wrote:

How does one set the follow option, I just looked through the menu of
the P3, and don't see it.

73, and thanks,
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On 2/8/21 12:39 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:

Yes, it has been discussed, and yes, that is the case.  It seems to
be most prevalent when returning to a band after moving off for a Q,
such as in NAQP's when the return is being commanded via CAT command.
In fairness to the Elecraft developers, it /*appears*/ that it is
attempting to put the frequency you are returning into the center-ish
part of the display which is not totally unreasonable.

73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 2/7/2021 12:28 PM, Jim McDonald wrote:

I know this has been asked before but I don't remember the answer.
Isn't the P3 supposed to remember the span and center frequency from
band to band?  It seems to change center frequency even if the band
hasn't changed, but that may not be the case.

73,  Jim N7US


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Re: [Elecraft] P3 span changing

[Jim McDonald]

I use the Fixed Tune Mode too but the center frequency sometimes isn't 
remembered when returning to a previously-used band.  If it makes any 
difference, I'm usually using N1MM+ (often with Win4K3Suite) to control the 
radio.

73,  Jim N7US

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Behalf Of Fred Jensen
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To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 span changing

Don't understand your "follow option" question.  I run mine in Fixed Tune Mode 
which holds the span [i.e. edge frequencies] constant and the two VFO's show up 
as two vertical cursors in the spectrum display.  The cursors move as I tune, 
and when I go beyond the edge, the span shifts by the amount I've set in the 
menu ... I use a full span.  In the Tracking Mode, your receive frequency is 
always centered and the spectrum moves past it as you tune.

73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 2/8/2021 2:34 PM, Dave Cole wrote:
> How does one set the follow option, I just looked through the menu of 
> the P3, and don't see it.
>
> 73, and thanks,
> Dave (NK7Z)
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>
> On 2/8/21 12:39 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:
>> Yes, it has been discussed, and yes, that is the case.  It seems to 
>> be most prevalent when returning to a band after moving off for a Q, 
>> such as in NAQP's when the return is being commanded via CAT command.  
>> In fairness to the Elecraft developers, it /*appears*/ that it is 
>> attempting to put the frequency you are returning into the center-ish 
>> part of the display which is not totally unreasonable.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
>> Sparks NV DM09dn
>> Washoe County
>>
>> On 2/7/2021 12:28 PM, Jim McDonald wrote:
>>> I know this has been asked before but I don't remember the answer. 
>>> Isn't the P3 supposed to remember the span and center frequency from 
>>> band to band?  It seems to change center frequency even if the band 
>>> hasn't changed, but that may not be the case.
>>>
>>> 73,  Jim N7US

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Re: [Elecraft] P3 span changing

[Dave Cole]

Make that after your move commands within the macros...

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On 2/8/21 2:43 PM, Mike Flowers wrote:

There are apparently some issues with the P3 firmware retaining the frequency 
and center by band.

I reported one issue where the P3 would return to an entirely different band 
than the one commanded.  The head of FW for Elecraft confirmed this is a bug 
that needs fixing.   When that will happen, if ever, is anyone's guess with the 
K4, pandemic, etc.

In macros I write to change bands and frequency, I find that I must issue P3 
commands twice to have the P3 properly centered as I want it.   I issue the 
first set of P3 commands at the beginning of the macro string, and the second 
one near the end.  This works for me, so I no longer worry about this FW bug.

- 73 and good DX de Mike, K6MKF, NCDXC Secretary


-Original Message-
From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net  On Behalf Of Dave Cole
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2021 14:34
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 span changing

How does one set the follow option, I just looked through the menu of the P3,
and don't see it.

73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
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ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

On 2/8/21 12:39 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:

Yes, it has been discussed, and yes, that is the case.  It seems to be
most prevalent when returning to a band after moving off for a Q, such
as in NAQP's when the return is being commanded via CAT command.  In
fairness to the Elecraft developers, it /*appears*/ that it is
attempting to put the frequency you are returning into the center-ish
part of the display which is not totally unreasonable.

73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 2/7/2021 12:28 PM, Jim McDonald wrote:

I know this has been asked before but I don't remember the answer.
Isn't the P3 supposed to remember the span and center frequency from
band to band?  It seems to change center frequency even if the band
hasn't changed, but that may not be the case.

73,  Jim N7US



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Re: [Elecraft] P3 span changing

[Dave Cole]

Are you adding delays after your move macros?  I had that problem, then 
added some delays, and all problems of that nature ended.


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On 2/8/21 2:43 PM, Mike Flowers wrote:

There are apparently some issues with the P3 firmware retaining the frequency 
and center by band.

I reported one issue where the P3 would return to an entirely different band 
than the one commanded.  The head of FW for Elecraft confirmed this is a bug 
that needs fixing.   When that will happen, if ever, is anyone's guess with the 
K4, pandemic, etc.

In macros I write to change bands and frequency, I find that I must issue P3 
commands twice to have the P3 properly centered as I want it.   I issue the 
first set of P3 commands at the beginning of the macro string, and the second 
one near the end.  This works for me, so I no longer worry about this FW bug.

- 73 and good DX de Mike, K6MKF, NCDXC Secretary


-Original Message-
From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net  On Behalf Of Dave Cole
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2021 14:34
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 span changing

How does one set the follow option, I just looked through the menu of the P3,
and don't see it.

73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

On 2/8/21 12:39 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:

Yes, it has been discussed, and yes, that is the case.  It seems to be
most prevalent when returning to a band after moving off for a Q, such
as in NAQP's when the return is being commanded via CAT command.  In
fairness to the Elecraft developers, it /*appears*/ that it is
attempting to put the frequency you are returning into the center-ish
part of the display which is not totally unreasonable.

73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 2/7/2021 12:28 PM, Jim McDonald wrote:

I know this has been asked before but I don't remember the answer.
Isn't the P3 supposed to remember the span and center frequency from
band to band?  It seems to change center frequency even if the band
hasn't changed, but that may not be the case.

73,  Jim N7US



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Re: [Elecraft] P3 span changing

[Dave Cole]

That answered my question, thank you!

73, and thanks,
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On 2/8/21 2:44 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:
Don't understand your "follow option" question.  I run mine in Fixed 
Tune Mode which holds the span [i.e. edge frequencies] constant and the 
two VFO's show up as two vertical cursors in the spectrum display.  The 
cursors move as I tune, and when I go beyond the edge, the span shifts 
by the amount I've set in the menu ... I use a full span.  In the 
Tracking Mode, your receive frequency is always centered and the 
spectrum moves past it as you tune.


73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 2/8/2021 2:34 PM, Dave Cole wrote:
How does one set the follow option, I just looked through the menu of 
the P3, and don't see it.


73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

On 2/8/21 12:39 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:
Yes, it has been discussed, and yes, that is the case.  It seems to 
be most prevalent when returning to a band after moving off for a Q, 
such as in NAQP's when the return is being commanded via CAT 
command.  In fairness to the Elecraft developers, it /*appears*/ that 
it is attempting to put the frequency you are returning into the 
center-ish part of the display which is not totally unreasonable.


73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 2/7/2021 12:28 PM, Jim McDonald wrote:
I know this has been asked before but I don't remember the answer. 
Isn't the P3 supposed to remember the span and center frequency from 
band to band?  It seems to change center frequency even if the band 
hasn't changed, but that may not be the case.


73,  Jim N7US


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Re: [Elecraft] P3 span changing

[Fred Jensen]

Don't understand your "follow option" question.  I run mine in Fixed 
Tune Mode which holds the span [i.e. edge frequencies] constant and the 
two VFO's show up as two vertical cursors in the spectrum display.  The 
cursors move as I tune, and when I go beyond the edge, the span shifts 
by the amount I've set in the menu ... I use a full span.  In the 
Tracking Mode, your receive frequency is always centered and the 
spectrum moves past it as you tune.


73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 2/8/2021 2:34 PM, Dave Cole wrote:
How does one set the follow option, I just looked through the menu of 
the P3, and don't see it.


73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

On 2/8/21 12:39 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:
Yes, it has been discussed, and yes, that is the case.  It seems to 
be most prevalent when returning to a band after moving off for a Q, 
such as in NAQP's when the return is being commanded via CAT 
command.  In fairness to the Elecraft developers, it /*appears*/ that 
it is attempting to put the frequency you are returning into the 
center-ish part of the display which is not totally unreasonable.


73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 2/7/2021 12:28 PM, Jim McDonald wrote:
I know this has been asked before but I don't remember the answer.  
Isn't the P3 supposed to remember the span and center frequency from 
band to band?  It seems to change center frequency even if the band 
hasn't changed, but that may not be the case.


73,  Jim N7US


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Re: [Elecraft] P3 span changing

[Mike Flowers]

There are apparently some issues with the P3 firmware retaining the frequency 
and center by band.

I reported one issue where the P3 would return to an entirely different band 
than the one commanded.  The head of FW for Elecraft confirmed this is a bug 
that needs fixing.   When that will happen, if ever, is anyone's guess with the 
K4, pandemic, etc.

In macros I write to change bands and frequency, I find that I must issue P3 
commands twice to have the P3 properly centered as I want it.   I issue the 
first set of P3 commands at the beginning of the macro string, and the second 
one near the end.  This works for me, so I no longer worry about this FW bug.

- 73 and good DX de Mike, K6MKF, NCDXC Secretary

> -Original Message-
> From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net  boun...@mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Dave Cole
> Sent: Monday, February 08, 2021 14:34
> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 span changing
> 
> How does one set the follow option, I just looked through the menu of the P3,
> and don't see it.
> 
> 73, and thanks,
> Dave (NK7Z)
> https://www.nk7z.net
> ARRL Volunteer Examiner
> ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
> ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources
> 
> On 2/8/21 12:39 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:
> > Yes, it has been discussed, and yes, that is the case.  It seems to be
> > most prevalent when returning to a band after moving off for a Q, such
> > as in NAQP's when the return is being commanded via CAT command.  In
> > fairness to the Elecraft developers, it /*appears*/ that it is
> > attempting to put the frequency you are returning into the center-ish
> > part of the display which is not totally unreasonable.
> >
> > 73,
> >
> > Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
> > Sparks NV DM09dn
> > Washoe County
> >
> > On 2/7/2021 12:28 PM, Jim McDonald wrote:
> >> I know this has been asked before but I don't remember the answer.
> >> Isn't the P3 supposed to remember the span and center frequency from
> >> band to band?  It seems to change center frequency even if the band
> >> hasn't changed, but that may not be the case.
> >>
> >> 73,  Jim N7US
> >>
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 span changing

[Dave Cole]

How does one set the follow option, I just looked through the menu of 
the P3, and don't see it.


73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

On 2/8/21 12:39 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:
Yes, it has been discussed, and yes, that is the case.  It seems to be 
most prevalent when returning to a band after moving off for a Q, such 
as in NAQP's when the return is being commanded via CAT command.  In 
fairness to the Elecraft developers, it /*appears*/ that it is 
attempting to put the frequency you are returning into the center-ish 
part of the display which is not totally unreasonable.


73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 2/7/2021 12:28 PM, Jim McDonald wrote:
I know this has been asked before but I don't remember the answer.  
Isn't the P3 supposed to remember the span and center frequency from 
band to band?  It seems to change center frequency even if the band 
hasn't changed, but that may not be the case.


73,  Jim N7US



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Re: [Elecraft] P3 span changing

[Fred Jensen]

Yes, it has been discussed, and yes, that is the case.  It seems to be 
most prevalent when returning to a band after moving off for a Q, such 
as in NAQP's when the return is being commanded via CAT command.  In 
fairness to the Elecraft developers, it /*appears*/ that it is 
attempting to put the frequency you are returning into the center-ish 
part of the display which is not totally unreasonable.


73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 2/7/2021 12:28 PM, Jim McDonald wrote:

I know this has been asked before but I don't remember the answer.  Isn't the 
P3 supposed to remember the span and center frequency from band to band?  It 
seems to change center frequency even if the band hasn't changed, but that may 
not be the case.

73,  Jim N7US



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[Elecraft] P3 span changing

[Jim McDonald]

I know this has been asked before but I don't remember the answer.  Isn't the 
P3 supposed to remember the span and center frequency from band to band?  It 
seems to change center frequency even if the band hasn't changed, but that may 
not be the case.

73,  Jim N7US

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[Elecraft] P3

[Greg]

Anyone have a P3 available to sell?  Prefer with SVGA option.

Trying to get back on the air after a long medical break.

Tnx
Greg
AB7R
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[Elecraft] P3 dynamic Ref Level ?

[John Oppenheimer]

Is there a P3 ability for Ref Lev settings for receive antenna versus
antenna 1? Trying to evaluate SNR difference between transmit and
receive antennas. Receive antenna has about 35dB lower gain than
transmit antenna. 80M band.

John KN5L
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[Elecraft] P3 SVGA Option module

[Robert A. Hughes]

Looking for a P3 SVGA option module. 

Contact me if you have one for sale.

W7SNR
Bob Hughes
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[Elecraft] P3 Issue Resolved

[Ken Widelitz]

Firmly wiggling the cables (for the 3rd time) resolved the problem.
Something is probably loose inside. Thanks to those who responded for the
suggestions.

73, Ken, K6LA / VY2TT
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Issue

[gt-i]

You could first check if you get stable connection using the
PX3-utility. If that does not work, it could be an unstable power supply
issue (0,5A ~12V required).

Otherwise I suppose there is a loose connection inside of the P3. You
could check the cable from the main board to the display. The manual has
a section about replacing the display with useful pictures (fig 25&26).

73 Gernot DF5RF

Am 11.01.2021 um 23:46 schrieb Ken Widelitz:

P3 stopped working. When turned on, the entire screen flashes from red to
green to blue to blank to grey to checkerboard to grey and then cycles
through those screens again, etc. I have done a reinitialization by holding
down the Label key while turning on the power. Nothing changes.

73, Ken, K6LA / VY2TT
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Issue

[Tom Doligalski via Elecraft]

Could the P3 be in DispTest mode?

Select Menu, the rotate the knob to ;this setting. Needs to be Off for normal 
use.

Tom W4KX

From: Ken Widelitz
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2021 5:48 PM
To: Elecraft Support; Elecraft Reflector
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Issue

P3 stopped working. When turned on, the entire screen flashes from red to
green to blue to blank to grey to checkerboard to grey and then cycles
through those screens again, etc. I have done a reinitialization by holding
down the Label key while turning on the power. Nothing changes.

73, Ken, K6LA / VY2TT
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[Elecraft] P3 Issue

[Ken Widelitz]

P3 stopped working. When turned on, the entire screen flashes from red to
green to blue to blank to grey to checkerboard to grey and then cycles
through those screens again, etc. I have done a reinitialization by holding
down the Label key while turning on the power. Nothing changes.

73, Ken, K6LA / VY2TT
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Panadapter Cable Connections

[Ken K6MR]

Do not use a Y cable.  I could go into the whole technical description, but 
don’t.

I’m assuming here a normal non-USB K3.  What you should do is connect the P3 
normally to the K3 through the XCVR port on the P3, and then connect the 
Microham device to the PC port on the P3.

Ken K6MR

From: MICHAEL SMITH<mailto:baldeagle...@comcast.net>
Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 12:29
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net<mailto:elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Panadapter Cable Connections

Gentlemen:

I recently purchased a P3 and connected it to my K3.  The installation shares 
the RS232 connection with a Microham USB interface III for digital operation.  
I used a Y cable to connect both of these units simultaneously.

I find I cannot run both at the same time.  If I do, the P3 does not display 
the frequency at the top of the screen, and does not display the band-pass of 
the VFO A.  Each unit will run separately with full function.

Has anyone else experienced this interaction?  Were you able to adjust the 
connection to allow full function of both units?  How did you do it?

73, Mike Smith
K0CCM
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Panadapter Cable Connections

[Joe Subich, W4TV]

On 2021-01-04 4:07 PM, Rick NK7I wrote:
> While I don't have the Microham, the Y should be first in the series
> (listen only port to the Microham);

*NO!!!*  The microHAM USB III is, in part, a USB to Serial converter.
It provides the CAT connection to the transceiver and should be treated
as a computer serial port.  The RS232 connection should *NEVER* be
attached to a "listen only" port on a "Y" cable.

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


On 2021-01-04 4:07 PM, Rick NK7I wrote:
While I don't have the Microham, the Y should be first in the series 
(listen only port to the Microham); to the P3, then the cable from the 
P3 to the K3 so they can 'chat'.  (That is the same as I do for my 
SteppIR controller.)


HNY,
Rick NK7I


On 1/4/2021 12:28 PM, MICHAEL SMITH wrote:

Gentlemen:

I recently purchased a P3 and connected it to my K3.  The installation 
shares the RS232 connection with a Microham USB interface III for 
digital operation.  I used a Y cable to connect both of these units 
simultaneously.


I find I cannot run both at the same time.  If I do, the P3 does not 
display the frequency at the top of the screen, and does not display 
the band-pass of the VFO A.  Each unit will run separately with full 
function.


Has anyone else experienced this interaction?  Were you able to adjust 
the connection to allow full function of both units?  How did you do it?


73, Mike Smith
K0CCM



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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Panadapter Cable Connections

[Rick NK7I]

My bad, I didn't think it through enough.  Joe is right.

Rick NK7I


On 1/4/2021 1:10 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:


I recently purchased a P3 and connected it to my K3.  The 
installation shares the RS232 connection with a Microham USB 
interface III for digital operation.  I used a Y cable to connect 
both of these units simultaneously.

That is the *WRONG WAY* to connect a K3, P3 and Computer.

Connect the RS-232 plug from microHAM USB III to the "PC" jack
on the P3.  Connect the XCVR jack on the P3 to the RS232 jack
on the K3.  Set the K3 RS232 RATE to 38,400 and set the CAT
Rate in your logging software to 38,400 as well.

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


On 2021-01-04 3:28 PM, MICHAEL SMITH wrote:

Gentlemen:

I recently purchased a P3 and connected it to my K3.  The 
installation shares the RS232 connection with a Microham USB 
interface III for digital operation.  I used a Y cable to connect 
both of these units simultaneously.


I find I cannot run both at the same time.  If I do, the P3 does not 
display the frequency at the top of the screen, and does not display 
the band-pass of the VFO A.  Each unit will run separately with full 
function.


Has anyone else experienced this interaction?  Were you able to 
adjust the connection to allow full function of both units?  How did 
you do it?


73, Mike Smith
K0CCM


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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Panadapter Cable Connections

[Joe Subich, W4TV]

I recently purchased a P3 and connected it to my K3.  The 
installation shares the RS232 connection with a Microham USB 
interface III for digital operation.  I used a Y cable to connect 
both of these units simultaneously.

That is the *WRONG WAY* to connect a K3, P3 and Computer.

Connect the RS-232 plug from microHAM USB III to the "PC" jack
on the P3.  Connect the XCVR jack on the P3 to the RS232 jack
on the K3.  Set the K3 RS232 RATE to 38,400 and set the CAT
Rate in your logging software to 38,400 as well.

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


On 2021-01-04 3:28 PM, MICHAEL SMITH wrote:

Gentlemen:

I recently purchased a P3 and connected it to my K3.  The installation shares 
the RS232 connection with a Microham USB interface III for digital operation.  
I used a Y cable to connect both of these units simultaneously.

I find I cannot run both at the same time.  If I do, the P3 does not display 
the frequency at the top of the screen, and does not display the band-pass of 
the VFO A.  Each unit will run separately with full function.

Has anyone else experienced this interaction?  Were you able to adjust the 
connection to allow full function of both units?  How did you do it?

73, Mike Smith
K0CCM


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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Panadapter Cable Connections

[Rick NK7I]

While I don't have the Microham, the Y should be first in the series 
(listen only port to the Microham); to the P3, then the cable from the 
P3 to the K3 so they can 'chat'.  (That is the same as I do for my 
SteppIR controller.)


HNY,
Rick NK7I


On 1/4/2021 12:28 PM, MICHAEL SMITH wrote:

Gentlemen:

I recently purchased a P3 and connected it to my K3.  The installation shares 
the RS232 connection with a Microham USB interface III for digital operation.  
I used a Y cable to connect both of these units simultaneously.

I find I cannot run both at the same time.  If I do, the P3 does not display 
the frequency at the top of the screen, and does not display the band-pass of 
the VFO A.  Each unit will run separately with full function.

Has anyone else experienced this interaction?  Were you able to adjust the 
connection to allow full function of both units?  How did you do it?

73, Mike Smith
K0CCM
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[Elecraft] P3 Panadapter Cable Connections

[MICHAEL SMITH]

Gentlemen:

I recently purchased a P3 and connected it to my K3.  The installation shares 
the RS232 connection with a Microham USB interface III for digital operation.  
I used a Y cable to connect both of these units simultaneously.

I find I cannot run both at the same time.  If I do, the P3 does not display 
the frequency at the top of the screen, and does not display the band-pass of 
the VFO A.  Each unit will run separately with full function.

Has anyone else experienced this interaction?  Were you able to adjust the 
connection to allow full function of both units?  How did you do it?

73, Mike Smith
K0CCM
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 question

[Douglas Zwiebel]

Thanks Alan and all of the others who replied privately!  Great response in
no time flat.

de Doug KR2Q

On Fri, Dec 18, 2020 at 11:51 PM Alan Bloom  wrote:

> 480 x 272
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> On 12/18/2020 6:56 PM, Douglas Zwiebel wrote:
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 question

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480 x 272

On 12/18/2020 6:56 PM, Douglas Zwiebel wrote:

Anyone know what the screen resolution is?

Thanks
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[Elecraft] P3 question

[Douglas Zwiebel]

Anyone know what the screen resolution is?

Thanks
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[Elecraft] P3/K3 for sale

[Bernie Capron]

I am selling my Elecraft K3 Factory built 160 - 6 meter Rig, P3 Panadaptor
and Signalink USB.

The K3 has the 100 watt amp, KAT3A-F internal antenna tuner, upgraded
K3SYN3-F upgraded, KDVR3-F Digital Voice Recorder, 5 Filters: KFL3A - 6K
6KHZ, KFL3A - 2.8 KHZ, KFL3A - 2.1 KHZ, KFL3C - 400HZ, KFL3C - 250HZ.
Factory installed KDVR3 Digital Voice Recorder, KBPF3A-F General Coverage
Receiver.

The Elecraft P3 - F factory built pan-adaptor has the SVGA video card.

Radio and Pan adapter are in excellent shape and all the cables for the P3
and Signalink are included (except the USB, those are generic). Original
manuals are also included.

I would consider selling the P3 separately if there is interest, but I
would only sell the radio and P3 together, let me know if that is your
interest.

Asking $2900 shipped via Paypal, check (must clear first) or cash. I am
willing to meet someone within a few hours of the Saratoga-Lake George
region of NY.

Contact Bernie N1NDN at bcap...@arrl.net or call 518-222-3429
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[Elecraft] P3 question

[Thaire Bryant]

Got it!  RS232 cable not seated fully.  Thanks to all who replied.

73
Thaire. W2APF
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 question

[Thaire Bryant]

Thanks to all.  I rechecked each connection and after really pushing in on the 
RS 232 connection to the K3s the screen popped!  What a great group, I had 
checked all before but apparently didn’t push hard enough on this one!

73,
Thaire. W2APF

> On Nov 23, 2020, at 18:50, Nr4c  wrote:
> 
> Make sure all connectors are firmly seated. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> ...nr4c. bill
> 
> 
>> On Nov 23, 2020, at 6:05 PM, Thaire Bryant  wrote:
>> 
>> I just finished rewiring and rearranging my operating position (K3s, 
>> KPA1500 and P3) along with my station computer.  On reassembling I found 
>> that all was good except for the P3, I lost the signal display and the 
>> waterfall.  I have no problem connecting to the three utilities and all show 
>> up to date firmware. The P3 shows the center frequency (VFO A) and displays 
>> PEP and SWR.  I have rechecked all connections and all appear to be correct. 
>>  Any ideas?  I can not find any help in troubleshooting areas of manual or 
>> Fred Cary book.
>> 
>> Thanks & 73
>> Thaire. W2APF
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 question

[George Danner]

Thaire,
Seems that you are not getting the K3 IF output into the P3.
1st - Make sure the BNC cable is on the 2nd from top not the top connector
on the P3(Don't ask how I know).
2nd - BNC connectors can sometimes be fussy. I had an intermittent on the
output of the K3. I used a pick and "tightened" the female by bending the
center female. This was several years ago after moving into a new house
with a new Ham Shack.

73
George  AI4VZ

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> Make sure all connectors are firmly seated.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> > On Nov 23, 2020, at 6:05 PM, Thaire Bryant 
> wrote:
> >
> > I just finished rewiring and rearranging my operating position (K3s,
> KPA1500 and P3) along with my station computer.  On reassembling I found
> that all was good except for the P3, I lost the signal display and the
> waterfall.  I have no problem connecting to the three utilities and all
> show up to date firmware. The P3 shows the center frequency (VFO A) and
> displays PEP and SWR.  I have rechecked all connections and all appear to
> be correct.  Any ideas?  I can not find any help in troubleshooting areas
> of manual or Fred Cary book.
> >
> > Thanks & 73
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 question

[Nr4c]

Make sure all connectors are firmly seated. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Nov 23, 2020, at 6:05 PM, Thaire Bryant  wrote:
> 
> I just finished rewiring and rearranging my operating position (K3s, KPA1500 
> and P3) along with my station computer.  On reassembling I found that all was 
> good except for the P3, I lost the signal display and the waterfall.  I have 
> no problem connecting to the three utilities and all show up to date 
> firmware. The P3 shows the center frequency (VFO A) and displays PEP and SWR. 
>  I have rechecked all connections and all appear to be correct.  Any ideas?  
> I can not find any help in troubleshooting areas of manual or Fred Cary book.
> 
> Thanks & 73
> Thaire. W2APF
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[Elecraft] P3 question

[Thaire Bryant]

I just finished rewiring and rearranging my operating position (K3s, KPA1500 
and P3) along with my station computer.  On reassembling I found that all was 
good except for the P3, I lost the signal display and the waterfall.  I have no 
problem connecting to the three utilities and all show up to date firmware. The 
P3 shows the center frequency (VFO A) and displays PEP and SWR.  I have 
rechecked all connections and all appear to be correct.  Any ideas?  I can not 
find any help in troubleshooting areas of manual or Fred Cary book.

Thanks & 73
Thaire. W2APF
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Transmit Display Failure

[w1ie]

Carl, Chuck and Alan,,

Carl, your suggestions are good and logical ones for attempting to fix the 
PTT_KEY parameter problem , but in this case, this was a problem that was 
designed to be so by 
Elecraft. Here is Elecraft's solution to my problem:

" From your description of the issue, it sounds like you have USB.SAFE enabled 
for PTT-KEY.  This is a feature to prevent accidental transmissions when a 
computer toggles DTR and RTS lines during a reboot.  When USB.SAFE is enabled, 
it will keep PTT-KEY set to OFF-OFF until the radio receives valid serial 
commands over the serial connection.  It can be confusing, since the setting 
will show as OFF-OFF until it receives those commands.  You can toggle USB.SAFE 
off and on by tapping 1 on the keypad while viewing the PTT-KEY menu."

This was from Rob in support.

Chuck and Alan, as long as you don't tap the #1 key on the keypad while looking 
at the PTT-KEY parameter, this will not happen to you. Interestingly enough, 
the display will show UNSAFE and SAFE when in this condition and tapping the #! 
Will toggle the condition. I also think you have to have the KIOB module 
installed too. It sounds like it is USB specific and KIOA modules will not be 
affected (Ithink). 

Best regards

Jerry, W1IE


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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Transmit Display Failure

[Alan Bloom]

My first thought is there might be an intermittent RS-232 connection 
between the K3 and the P3.  That would prevent the P3 receiving the TX 
and RX commands from the K3 so that the P3 gets hung up in TX or RX 
mode.  If you can lay your hands on a spare RS-232 cable, I would try it 
to see if that fixes the problem.


If the RS-232 connection is confirmed OK and the problem still occurs, then:

Have you tried cycling power without restoring the config file?  If it 
really does require the config file restoration to restore proper 
operation then it must be some setting that is accidentally getting 
changed.  That can sometimes be caused by some computer software sending 
commands to the P3 via RS-232.  Try running the K3/P3 with no RS-232 
connection to the computer and see if you still see the problem.


If the problem occurs with no connection between the K3/P3 and the 
computer and you can confirm that it does require a config restore to 
get back to normal operation, then it sounds like the EEPROM in the P3 
must be going bad.  I have never heard of that happening, but I guess 
it's possible.


Alan N1AL


On 11/18/2020 12:19 PM, hawley, charles j jr wrote:

I have a reoccurring issue with the P3 display of the transmit cw display. 
Occasionally, the P3 doesn't display the TX waveform ( I have never noticed if 
this happening on SSB...probably not since I have never had to fix it). The fix 
is loading a config file stored when the problem was not happening.
I have tried to store a config file when it was happening just to see and then 
restore using that file. What happens then is the P3 display locked up with a 
dit and could not be unlocked.
After this test, I had to turn off the K3s and unpower the P3, restore power 
and turn the K3s on, and restore with a copy of the config which was taken when 
the display was showing transmit cw.
I'm thinking stray RF somehow causing this but never happened on SSB...and I 
have no clue what is getting flipped in the rig or P3 to have this happen.
Since I can restore the config and fix it, I guess I'm mostly curious why it's 
happening, any ideas?

Chuck Hawley
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[Elecraft] P3 Transmit Display Failure

[hawley, charles j jr]

I have a reoccurring issue with the P3 display of the transmit cw display. 
Occasionally, the P3 doesn't display the TX waveform ( I have never noticed if 
this happening on SSB...probably not since I have never had to fix it). The fix 
is loading a config file stored when the problem was not happening.
I have tried to store a config file when it was happening just to see and then 
restore using that file. What happens then is the P3 display locked up with a 
dit and could not be unlocked.
After this test, I had to turn off the K3s and unpower the P3, restore power 
and turn the K3s on, and restore with a copy of the config which was taken when 
the display was showing transmit cw.
I'm thinking stray RF somehow causing this but never happened on SSB...and I 
have no clue what is getting flipped in the rig or P3 to have this happen.
Since I can restore the config and fix it, I guess I'm mostly curious why it's 
happening, any ideas?

Chuck Hawley
 c-haw...@illinois.edu

 Amateur Radio, KE9UW
 aka Jack, BMW Motorcycles
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[Elecraft] P3 Display freeze - siloatr

[gt-i]

Hi everybody,

just to let you know:

while preparing my gear for WWDX I noticed that the P3 started to freeze 
the display for about 1 second, than continues to work for 2-3 seconds, 
then freezes, and so on. Very annoying to look at.


I disconnected all cables and traced it down to the 
RS232-to-PC-Connection. The logging programm polls the K3 (looped thru 
the P3) at 500mseconds, as all the time before.


I investigated further and realized I had an RS232-groundbreaker, a 10€ 
part, switched in between.

Removed it, now works again like before!

Another cheap part that lasted for less than 3 years goes into the trash 
can.


73 Gernot DF5RF / DG3T


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[Elecraft] P3 Sold

[Doug Eaton via Elecraft]

Good day, the P3 that I offered for sale yesterday has been sold.  73, Doug N7QS
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[Elecraft] P3 For Sale price reduced

[Doug Eaton via Elecraft]

For Sale: P3 panadapter serial number 42XX.
Factory built, excellent condition.
No nicks, scrapes or scratches.
Original owner, non-smoking home.
$450.00 plus shipping.
Pictures on request.
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[Elecraft] P3 F/S

[Doug Eaton via Elecraft]

For Sale:  P3 Panadapter.  Factory built; in excellent condition; original 
owner; non-smoking home.  Serial #42XX.  Includes all original accessories 
including Owner's Manual and all cables that came with the P3.
Will ship to all 50 states and all Canadian provinces.  $495.00 plus shipping. 
PayPal or US Postal money order OK.
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 info

[Bob Wilson, N6TV]

I recommend checking the P3 Manual for the correct hookup.  You can either
use the optional CBLP3Y cable (a separate purchase) or the RJ-45 to DE9-F
adapter cable that is supplied with every K3S.  If using the latter, you
have to change CONFIG:RS232 to 38400 (not USB), and the USB cable can
only be used for the USB Audio CODEC, not rig control, and you use the same
serial cable you were using before, with the K3.  Otherwise, you need to
use the CBL3P3Y to make everything work with one USB cable (CONFIG:RS232
USB).

73,
Bob, N6TV


On Thu, Oct 8, 2020 at 12:14 PM Alan Bloom  wrote:

> I believe that means that there is no RS-232 connection between the K3S
> and P3.  Check the K3S manual for the correct hookup.
>
> Alan N1AL
>
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> On 10/8/2020 11:37 AM, Thaire Bryant wrote:
> > I have just noticed that after replacing my K3 with a K3S my P3 no longer
> > shows the center frequency of VFO A (7.234, 14.234, etc,).
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 info

[Alan Bloom]

I believe that means that there is no RS-232 connection between the K3S 
and P3.  Check the K3S manual for the correct hookup.


Alan N1AL


On 10/8/2020 11:37 AM, Thaire Bryant wrote:

I have just noticed that after replacing my K3 with a K3S my P3 no longer
shows the center frequency of VFO A (7.234, 14.234, etc,).

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[Elecraft] P3 info

[Thaire Bryant]

I have just noticed that after replacing my K3 with a K3S my P3 no longer
shows the center frequency of VFO A (7.234, 14.234, etc,).  I cannot find
any info in the manual or the Fred Katy book.  Could I have miss-cabled or
changed a menu option inadvertently.  All other functions are normal.

 

Thanks in advance for any info,

73

Thaire  W2APF  

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[Elecraft] P3 REF LVL 160m Setting

[Jim McCook]

K3 owners know that the P3 doesn't memorize the REF LVL setting on 160m 
like it does on the other bands, unless the K3 is returned to 160m 
before powering off.  Does anyone know if there was ever a fix for this 
annoying problem?  73, Jim W6YA

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Re: [Elecraft] [P3] P3 CENTER frequency

[Jim McDonald]

I like the operation of the “Full Span” selection, but it seems after a band 
change the center frequency of a 20 kHz span has changed.  Instead of having 
14080 – 14100, I’d see 14075 – 14095.

Jim N7US

From: w4sc 
Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2020 20:24
To: Jim McDonald ; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] [P3] P3 CENTER frequency

From Alan N1AL:


The P3 does remember center frequency per band.  However, if you tune the

K3 VFO A to a frequency outside the old P3 display range, then the P3

center frequency is changed according to the rules specified by the

"FixMode" menu setting.  If you want the center frequency never to change

no matter what frequency the K3 is set to, then set MENU:FixMode to

"Static".



Alan N1AL


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[Elecraft] [P3] P3 CENTER frequency

[w4sc]

>From Alan N1AL:

The P3 does remember center frequency per band.  However, if you tune the
K3 VFO A to a frequency outside the old P3 display range, then the P3
center frequency is changed according to the rules specified by the
"FixMode" menu setting.  If you want the center frequency never to change
no matter what frequency the K3 is set to, then set MENU:FixMode to
"Static".

Alan N1AL


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[Elecraft] [P3] P3 CENTER frequency

[Jim McDonald]

I think I recall seeing a solution to the P3's losing the center frequency 
using fixed tune mode when changing bands.  It's very frustrating to have to 
recenter the display after coming back to a band, especially in a contest when 
it wastes time.

Is there a fix?

Jim N7US

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[Elecraft] [P3] REF LVL changes - normal behavior?

[Michael Gillen via Elecraft]

Hey guys, I am seeing this behavior on my P3 and am wondering if this is how 
it's supposed to work or or there is something wrong.

I set the REF LVL so I am just above the noise floor and then randomly a few 
minutes later either the floor goes way down or way up. In other words, I 
adjust the waterfall to show normal then randomly it will show nothing at all 
except the strongest peaks as if I adjusted the REF LVL way up or it shows a 
lot of noise as if I adjusted the REF LVL way down. So I have to keep an eye on 
it and constantly adjust the REF LVL. Its been doing this for the past 6 months 
or so it didn’t always do this.

The P3 is connected to my K3s which is having no problems. ATT is on, pre-amp 
off, AGC is fast.

Cheers!
Michael
KK6RWK

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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Utility Help Please

[Gary J Ferdinand]

Hank, you probably already did this but if not, uninstall the P3 utility.  
Reboot Windows 10.  Reinstall the P3 utility from the Elecraft site.  Pray.  
Try again.  



73/Gary W2CS



> On Aug 9, 2020, at 11:16 PM, George Thornton 
>  wrote:
> 
> When something strange like this happens another step to try is to refresh 
> the firmware in the radio.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net 
> <mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net>  <mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net>> On Behalf Of Hank Garretson
> Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2020 8:10 PM
> To: Nr4c mailto:n...@widomaker.com>>
> Cc: Elecraft Reflector  <mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net>>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 Utility Help Please
> 
> Thanks Bill. Always a good suggestion, but didn't help.
> 
> Port, Firmware, Command Tester, and Capture Image tabs all work as expected.
> 
> Configuration tab has Save P3 Configuration and Restore P3 Configuration 
> grayed out.
> 
> 73,
> 
> Hank, W6SX
> 
> On Sun, Aug 9, 2020 at 7:16 PM Nr4c  wrote:
> 
>> Might try re-booting your computer.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> ...nr4c. bill
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 9, 2020, at 6:57 PM, Hank Garretson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Windows 10.
>>> 
>>> P3 Utility Ref 1.16.3.15
>>> 
>>> Connects to my P3 just fine.
>>> 
>>> When I click on Configuration Tab, both Save and Restore options are
>> grayed
>>> out.
>>> 
>>> Help please. What am I doing wrong.
>>> 
>>> Ham, Cope Exuberantly,
>>> 
>>> Hank, W6SX
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Utility Help Please

[George Thornton]

When something strange like this happens another step to try is to refresh the 
firmware in the radio.

-Original Message-
From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net  On 
Behalf Of Hank Garretson
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2020 8:10 PM
To: Nr4c 
Cc: Elecraft Reflector 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 Utility Help Please

Thanks Bill. Always a good suggestion, but didn't help.

Port, Firmware, Command Tester, and Capture Image tabs all work as expected.

Configuration tab has Save P3 Configuration and Restore P3 Configuration grayed 
out.

73,

Hank, W6SX

On Sun, Aug 9, 2020 at 7:16 PM Nr4c  wrote:

> Might try re-booting your computer.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> ...nr4c. bill
>
>
> > On Aug 9, 2020, at 6:57 PM, Hank Garretson  wrote:
> >
> > Windows 10.
> >
> > P3 Utility Ref 1.16.3.15
> >
> > Connects to my P3 just fine.
> >
> > When I click on Configuration Tab, both Save and Restore options are
> grayed
> > out.
> >
> > Help please. What am I doing wrong.
> >
> > Ham, Cope Exuberantly,
> >
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Utility Help Please

[Hank Garretson]

Thanks Bill. Always a good suggestion, but didn't help.

Port, Firmware, Command Tester, and Capture Image tabs all work as
expected.

Configuration tab has Save P3 Configuration and Restore P3 Configuration
grayed out.

73,

Hank, W6SX

On Sun, Aug 9, 2020 at 7:16 PM Nr4c  wrote:

> Might try re-booting your computer.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> ...nr4c. bill
>
>
> > On Aug 9, 2020, at 6:57 PM, Hank Garretson  wrote:
> >
> > Windows 10.
> >
> > P3 Utility Ref 1.16.3.15
> >
> > Connects to my P3 just fine.
> >
> > When I click on Configuration Tab, both Save and Restore options are
> grayed
> > out.
> >
> > Help please. What am I doing wrong.
> >
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Utility Help Please

[Nr4c]

Might try re-booting your computer. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Aug 9, 2020, at 6:57 PM, Hank Garretson  wrote:
> 
> Windows 10.
> 
> P3 Utility Ref 1.16.3.15
> 
> Connects to my P3 just fine.
> 
> When I click on Configuration Tab, both Save and Restore options are grayed
> out.
> 
> Help please. What am I doing wrong.
> 
> Ham, Cope Exuberantly,
> 
> Hank, W6SX
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Utility Help Please

[Hank Garretson]

Have done that. It tells me I am connected.

No other programs are using the port.

Configuration: K3 >> P3 >> Port 10.

On Sun, Aug 9, 2020 at 4:10 PM Dick Dievendorff  wrote:

> Click "Test communications" on the Port tab to verify the P3 connection.
> The config buttons are disabled if the P3 Utility doesn't think it's
> connected to a P3.
>
> 73 de Dick, K6KR
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net 
> On
> Behalf Of Hank Garretson
> Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2020 15:55
> To: Elecraft Reflector 
> Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Utility Help Please
>
> Windows 10.
>
> P3 Utility Ref 1.16.3.15
>
> Connects to my P3 just fine.
>
> When I click on Configuration Tab, both Save and Restore options are grayed
> out.
>
> Help please. What am I doing wrong.
>
> Ham, Cope Exuberantly,
>
> Hank, W6SX
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Utility Help Please

[Dick Dievendorff]

Click "Test communications" on the Port tab to verify the P3 connection.
The config buttons are disabled if the P3 Utility doesn't think it's
connected to a P3.

73 de Dick, K6KR



-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Hank Garretson
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2020 15:55
To: Elecraft Reflector 
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Utility Help Please

Windows 10.

P3 Utility Ref 1.16.3.15

Connects to my P3 just fine.

When I click on Configuration Tab, both Save and Restore options are grayed
out.

Help please. What am I doing wrong.

Ham, Cope Exuberantly,

Hank, W6SX
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