Re: [Elecraft] K3 Microhpone
Fern Rivard wrote: You must be kidding as real serious hams DO NOT use heil mics. They are overpriced and have lousy audio. One gets much nice transmit audio using good quality dynamic microphone rather than those cheap elecret cartridges. I used to think Heil mics were overpriced but at the moment, here in Europe, the prices compare quite favourably with mics from the main radio manufacturers like Yaesu and Kenwood. I always liked the bright Heil sound. I have always liked the audio from Icom rigs, as well, which I believe normally use electret mics. I think ham radio is becoming like other endeavours and becoming subject to fashion regardless of whether it is practical. There appears to be a fashion now to transmit broadcast FM quality. Personally I think ham radio is mostly about trying to communicate under often less than ideal conditions and audio with some treble emphasis does that better, regardless of whether or not it sounds natural. - Julian, G4ILO http://www.g4ilo.com/ G4ILO's Shack http://www.ham-directory.com/ Ham Directory -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/K3-Microhpone-tp681857p682498.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Microhpone
The Kenwood MC-90 are a very good desktop microphone who fits directly on the K3 connector without resoldering. It has a wider frequency range than the Heil HC4 or HC5 and gives you a broader range of sound possibilities. The MC-90 is a 250 ohm dynamic microphone without any amplification, only a 2 step low-cut switch on the bottom of the base. It is the best all-round desktop microphone I have tried, suitable for both full-sounding ragchew and DX. Link: http://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/mics/1870.html Frequency response: http://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/mics/1870grap.html Heil HC4 and HC5 freq-response: http://www.heilsound.com/amateur/products/gm/frequency_response.jpg Sound-file: http://www.heilsound.com/amateur/products/hm10dual/hm10.mp3 As you see the Heil elements (especially the HC4) has almost no audio-response below 400-500Hz and will sound very narrow. On the MC-90 you can set lowcut to position V2 and have a similar sound. There are 2 replaceble microphone heads, use the one without holes in the side for a bit more treble response. Microphone connector: http://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/mics/1870plug.jpg Since the MC-90 has no connection on pin 5 or pin 6 (+8V) it can be safely used on the K3. Best regards LA4AMA Roar --- Julian, G4ILO wrote: I used to think Heil mics were overpriced but at the moment, here in Europe, the prices compare quite favourably with mics from the main radio manufacturers like Yaesu and Kenwood. I always liked the bright Heil sound. I have always liked the audio from Icom rigs, as well, which I believe normally use electret mics. I think ham radio is becoming like other endeavours and becoming subject to fashion regardless of whether it is practical. There appears to be a fashion now to transmit broadcast FM quality. Personally I think ham radio is mostly about trying to communicate under often less than ideal conditions and audio with some treble emphasis does that better, regardless of whether or not it sounds natural. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/K3-Microhpone-tp681857p682557.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] K3 Microhpone
At 11:23 PM 8/8/2008, Charles Harpole wrote: Real serious hams use Heil headphone/mic set. What I believe, my opinion after selling microphones since 1981, for Sennheiser ..then AKG then Shure Brothers is different. Our firm was their exclusive agent in Illinois Wisconson, so we sold tens of thousands,,, ( if you count the SM58). Many real serious appliance operators do not know how to wire up a microphone, much less grab an electret element and assemble their own microphone. Which is not to say there is something wrong with being an appliance operator; but not all real serious hams use heil products. MANY Real serious audio hams use AKG Sennheiser and some of the Shure product line, from companies that have engineers and anechoic chambers . ( and actually manufacture the mic element, not just the case) Some of heils product graphs were marked as being made in an anabolic chamber. You best look up that one. Even the magazine articles. Bob had done a great job awakening the ham community to difference a mic can make. The rising hi end frequency responsehowever is something Al Gore invented and licensed it to Shure Bros in the 50s for their # 444 and other communication paging microphones. I use a mini 414b handheld for my K3 which you can drive a truck over has one of those million-cycle switches...and has fantastic audiofor SSB. too bad it was discontinued years ago many hamfests have a larger similiar 'paging' product, and they sell for 5$ at the hamfests, marked Johnson, RCA, or areoflex..or some other American radio company who bought them from Shure. http://www.shure.com/ProAudio/Products/WiredMicrophones/us_pro_514B_content LOUD CLEAR go rip out an electret element from a discarded telephone and surprise yourself ranting off bill ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] K3 Microhpone
On Sat, 09 Aug 2008 10:51:05 -0500, Bill NY9H wrote: The rising hi end frequency responsehowever is something Al Gore invented and licensed it to Shure Bros in the 50s for their # 444 and other communication paging microphones. My good friend Bill is kidding here, of course, but he knows what he's talking about. To understand mics and audio for ham radio, check out my tutorial, which shows the real reason for the rising hi end response in a 444 (which is what they did with the SM58 as well, and for a similar reason). http://audiosystemsgroup.com/RFI-Ham.pdf and the Power Point for my presentation to ham clubs http://audiosystemsgroup.com/HamInterfacing.pdf If I lived outside the US and wanted to buy a good mic for ham radio, it would be an ElectroVoice RE11 or RE16. These are pro mics, so they don't have PTT switches, but they sound great on good ham rigs. The tutorials show how to wire them and how to use them. In general, good quality dynamic mics last forever unless they are badly mistreated, so it's pretty safe to buy them used. The discontinued Shure SM53 and SM54, aand AKG D202, D222, and D224 are equivalent to the RE11 and RE16. Of these, only the RE16 is still a current product. 73, Jim Brown K9YC ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Microhpone
- Original Message - From: Gary Gregory [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 5:58 PM Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Microhpone Hello Again, I agree with an earlier post from Steve. I will sit under my favourite Gum tree in the back yard, under my nice 80M full wave loop and silently pray that the gods at Aptos are reading these posts closely and that somewhere in the dark of the night in Aptos an idea will be born to design, build and market the perfect microphone for those of us who have a distinctly Non Professional Radio Announcer Voice so we can be all happy little campers. Maybe they will. After all, they came up with one of the better paddles for CW with the Hexkey . I guess they could spend some time on the phone ops! (tongue out of cheek) 73HankK8DD ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Microhpone
Hi Gary: Look no further as I've found that the Shure 444D is the ideal base microphone for the K3 except for the fact that it does not have the UP/DOWN keys feature. Now if you want a very nice sound dynamic hand microphone with the UP?DOWN keys feature, I can help you out with this as I have stock on those. They are originally made for a commercial land mobile radio but the resultant transmit is equivalent to that of the Shure 444D desk mic and that is without even having to use the 8 band transmit audio equilizer. 73 from Fern VE7GZ - Original Message - From: Gary Gregory [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 3:58 PM Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Microhpone Hello Again, I agree with an earlier post from Steve. I will sit under my favourite Gum tree in the back yard, under my nice 80M full wave loop and silently pray that the gods at Aptos are reading these posts closely and that somewhere in the dark of the night in Aptos an idea will be born to design, build and market the perfect microphone for those of us who have a distinctly Non Professional Radio Announcer Voice so we can be all happy little campers. The K3 is now without a doubt the best TCVR on the market, we just need to have a really good tailor made mic...oh..and while I am adding to the wish list..can we have some knobs and buttons as well as a Locking PTT Bar/Button on this (hopefully) perfect new base mic...Please..¿ OK, I will climb off my soapbox and journey down into the bomb shelter..after I turn on my incoming missile deflector:-) 73's Gary K3/100 #679 Stokers...we get ya goin' ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 270.5.10/1586 - Release Date: 8/1/2008 6:59 PM ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] K3 Microhpone
Real serious hams use Heil headphone/mic set. Ideally have the 5 and the 4 elements switchable as in one model Heil sells. All other discussions of other choices are just for fun. 73 Charles Harpole [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Microhpone
Charles: You must be kidding as real serious hams DO NOT use heil mics. They are overpriced and have lousy audio. One gets much nice transmit audio using good quality dynamic microphone rather than those cheap elecret cartridges. - Original Message - From: Charles Harpole [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 10:23 PM Subject: RE: [Elecraft] K3 Microhpone Real serious hams use Heil headphone/mic set. Ideally have the 5 and the 4 elements switchable as in one model Heil sells. All other discussions of other choices are just for fun. 73 Charles Harpole ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Microhpone
Fern, My posting on Mics got some strange responses mate. I use an old Turner+2 (34 years old) and it gets perfect audio reports all the time. I was following the posts on Mics so I thought maybe a Super Mic was a way for Elecraft to increase sales. Just imagine mate: weight...4 Kilos (Heavy is good, if you throw it it won't go too far) Switches on the base for:...1. ESSB On/Off 2. EQ ON/OFF (Flat or programmed) 3. Knob for Mic gain 4. Knob for compression 5. Locking PTT Button/Bar GFVD display with ON Air illuminated when mic is activated Firmware upgradable so we can change the element sensitivity I am absolutely positive that I have missed some options we could have in a Super Mic, perhaps the ability to change our voices so we sound like our favorite celebrities?...Just think we could all end sounding like Donald Duck, Bart Simpson?...scary stuff eh? Anyway, not sure if my tongue in cheek post was well received or not, but I was chuckling when I sent it out. Cheers mate, keep posting, I get a huge kick out of reading the reflector, plus, I am learning a lot from all you guys. Cheers, Gary K3/100 #679 Stokers...we get ya goin' 2008/8/9 Fern Rivard [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Gary: Look no further as I've found that the Shure 444D is the ideal base microphone for the K3 except for the fact that it does not have the UP/DOWN keys feature. Now if you want a very nice sound dynamic hand microphone with the UP?DOWN keys feature, I can help you out with this as I have stock on those. They are originally made for a commercial land mobile radio but the resultant transmit is equivalent to that of the Shure 444D desk mic and that is without even having to use the 8 band transmit audio equilizer. 73 from Fern VE7GZ - Original Message - From: Gary Gregory [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 3:58 PM Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Microhpone Hello Again, I agree with an earlier post from Steve. I will sit under my favourite Gum tree in the back yard, under my nice 80M full wave loop and silently pray that the gods at Aptos are reading these posts closely and that somewhere in the dark of the night in Aptos an idea will be born to design, build and market the perfect microphone for those of us who have a distinctly Non Professional Radio Announcer Voice so we can be all happy little campers. The K3 is now without a doubt the best TCVR on the market, we just need to have a really good tailor made mic...oh..and while I am adding to the wish list..can we have some knobs and buttons as well as a Locking PTT Bar/Button on this (hopefully) perfect new base mic...Please..¿ OK, I will climb off my soapbox and journey down into the bomb shelter..after I turn on my incoming missile deflector:-) 73's Gary K3/100 #679 Stokers...we get ya goin' ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 270.5.10/1586 - Release Date: 8/1/2008 6:59 PM ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
