Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] QSO of the week (and a re-learned QRP SSB tip

[Dave New, N8SBE]

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Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] QSO of the week (and a re-learned QRP SSB tip

[David Gilbert]

It works the other way as well.  There are often other weak signals in 
the pileup, either due to marginal antennas or poor propagation or being 
off the side of the pileup operator's beam.   An op signing "/QRP" makes 
it sound like he thinks he should get special treatment when in fact 
there are perfectly valid reasons why other signals might be as weak as 
his.  It has always seemed boorish to me.


I'm admittedly primarily a contester, but in my experience signing 
"/QRP" has always been considered bad practice and I've heard pileup 
operators tell callers to quit doing it or go away.  I do the same when 
running.


Dave   AB7E




On 7/2/2018 11:19 AM, ANDY DURBIN wrote:
"/QRP often, but not always, indicates a field operation, and they're 
sort of fun to work, at least for me."



And sometimes it means someone running 5 W to a 6 ele Yagi at 75 ft! 
That station has far higher ERP that I do running 100 W with my 
modest antennas.



If I was portable in UK, where had my first licence, my call was 
g3wyc/p. US operators have completely butchered and obfuscated the 
meaning of portable by verbalizing k3wyc/7 as "k3wyc portable 7". The 
/7 suffix does not mean I am portable. It just means I'm operating in 
region 7 and I'm saying so because it is required for the contest in 
which I'm operating.



If you want special attention because you are portable why not 
indicate portable rather than QRP?



73,

Andy k3wyc


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Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] QSO of the week (and a re-learned QRP SSB tip

[a45wg]

This is something that the Oman Radio Society asks all members to do for a 
month starting on "National Day" (Read 4th July) 

What a pain in the a**e !!!  for example  "a45wg/ND48"  (National-Day 48th 
Year). It is totally meaningless for 99% of all hams.

I like the /qrp if they truly are qrp

I now get down from my soap-box

73s all

Tim


> On Jul 3, 2018, at 3:49 AM, Wes Stewart  wrote:
> 
> Seem like much to do about nothing.
> 
> How about "stroke 7" or "slant 7"?
> 
> If I didn't need to get more QSLs with the call, I would use N7WS/60 this 
> year, for my sixtieth year in ham radio.
> 
> Here's what the FCC thinks about the subject:
> 
> "In addition to the special event call sign system, any amateur station, 
> including a special event station, may include with its assigned call sign 
> one or more indicators (example "W1AW/national convention"). Each indicator 
> must be separated from the assigned call sign by a slant ("/") or any 
> suitable word that denotes the slant mark ("portable," "stroke," etc.). If 
> the indicator is self-assigned, it must be included before, after, or both 
> before and after, the assigned call sign (example "KP2/W1AW/contest"). No 
> self-assigned indicator may conflict with any other indicator specified by 
> the FCC Rules (such as "AA", "AG", "AE" or "KT") or with any prefix assigned 
> to another country (such as "DL", "F", "G" or "VE")."
> 
> Wes  N7WS/60
> 
> 
> 
> On 7/2/2018 11:19 AM, ANDY DURBIN wrote:
>> "/QRP often, but not always, indicates a field operation, and they're sort 
>> of fun to work, at least for me."
>> 
>> 
>> And sometimes it means someone running 5 W to a 6 ele Yagi at 75 ft! That 
>> station has far higher ERP that I do running 100 W with my modest antennas.
>> 
>> 
>> If I was portable in UK, where had my first licence, my call was g3wyc/p. US 
>> operators have completely butchered and obfuscated the meaning of portable 
>> by verbalizing k3wyc/7 as "k3wyc portable 7". The /7 suffix does not mean I 
>> am portable. It just means I'm operating in region 7 and I'm saying so 
>> because it is required for the contest in which I'm operating.
>> 
>> 
>> If you want special attention because you are portable why not indicate 
>> portable rather than QRP?
>> 
>> 
>> 73,
>> 
>> Andy k3wyc
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Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] QSO of the week (and a re-learned QRP SSB tip

[Fred Jensen]

Which of course makes /M ["I'm on wheels"] and /MM ["I'm afloat"] 
non-compliant, all the M's belong to the UK. Attention pilots:  /AM 
["I'm aloft"] is also non-compliant since AM belongs to Spain.  /R ["I'm 
a repeater], /B ["I'm a beacon"], and /PM ["I'm walkin and talkin"] are 
too, all the R's are Russian, the B's Chinese, and PM belongs to 
Indonesia.  /P is probably compliant since the P's are split between 
multiple countries and always have a second number/letter.  No prefixes 
start with Q so /QRP is compliant.  So is /QSD ["I can't send for 
beans"].  Interesting that the SOTA folk never [almost] use /QRP or 
/.  I guess the assumption is that if you've carried your 
station up a mountain and call CQ SOTA, odds are high you're in the 
field and likely did not drag a generator along.  I don't believe anyone 
has done time in the "Gated Community for the Ethically Challenged" for 
violations of this however.


Personally, I don't care what indicators you use as long as I can find 
your call in there somewhere.


73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 7/2/2018 12:49 PM, Wes Stewart wrote:

Seem like much to do about nothing.

How about "stroke 7" or "slant 7"?

If I didn't need to get more QSLs with the call, I would use N7WS/60 
this year, for my sixtieth year in ham radio.


Here's what the FCC thinks about the subject:

"In addition to the special event call sign system, any amateur 
station, including a special event station, may include with its 
assigned call sign one or more indicators (example "W1AW/national 
convention"). Each indicator must be separated from the assigned call 
sign by a slant ("/") or any suitable word that denotes the slant mark 
("portable," "stroke," etc.). If the indicator is self-assigned, it 
must be included before, after, or both before and after, the assigned 
call sign (example "KP2/W1AW/contest"). No self-assigned indicator may 
conflict with any other indicator specified by the FCC Rules (such as 
"AA", "AG", "AE" or "KT") or with any prefix assigned to another 
country (such as "DL", "F", "G" or "VE")."


Wes  N7WS/60


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Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] QSO of the week (and a re-learned QRP SSB tip

[Wes Stewart]

Seem like much to do about nothing.

How about "stroke 7" or "slant 7"?

If I didn't need to get more QSLs with the call, I would use N7WS/60 this year, 
for my sixtieth year in ham radio.


Here's what the FCC thinks about the subject:

"In addition to the special event call sign system, any amateur station, 
including a special event station, may include with its assigned call sign one 
or more indicators (example "W1AW/national convention"). Each indicator must be 
separated from the assigned call sign by a slant ("/") or any suitable word that 
denotes the slant mark ("portable," "stroke," etc.). If the indicator is 
self-assigned, it must be included before, after, or both before and after, the 
assigned call sign (example "KP2/W1AW/contest"). No self-assigned indicator may 
conflict with any other indicator specified by the FCC Rules (such as "AA", 
"AG", "AE" or "KT") or with any prefix assigned to another country (such as 
"DL", "F", "G" or "VE")."


Wes  N7WS/60



On 7/2/2018 11:19 AM, ANDY DURBIN wrote:

"/QRP often, but not always, indicates a field operation, and they're sort of fun to 
work, at least for me."


And sometimes it means someone running 5 W to a 6 ele Yagi at 75 ft! That 
station has far higher ERP that I do running 100 W with my modest antennas.


If I was portable in UK, where had my first licence, my call was g3wyc/p. US operators 
have completely butchered and obfuscated the meaning of portable by verbalizing k3wyc/7 
as "k3wyc portable 7". The /7 suffix does not mean I am portable. It just means 
I'm operating in region 7 and I'm saying so because it is required for the contest in 
which I'm operating.


If you want special attention because you are portable why not indicate 
portable rather than QRP?


73,

Andy k3wyc


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Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] QSO of the week (and a re-learned QRP SSB tip

[Ronnie Hull]

It’s always the fault of the U.S. Amateurs

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 2, 2018, at 1:19 PM, ANDY DURBIN  wrote:
> 
> "/QRP often, but not always, indicates a field operation, and they're sort of 
> fun to work, at least for me."
> 
> 
> And sometimes it means someone running 5 W to a 6 ele Yagi at 75 ft! That 
> station has far higher ERP that I do running 100 W with my modest antennas.
> 
> 
> If I was portable in UK, where had my first licence, my call was g3wyc/p. US 
> operators have completely butchered and obfuscated the meaning of portable by 
> verbalizing k3wyc/7 as "k3wyc portable 7". The /7 suffix does not mean I am 
> portable. It just means I'm operating in region 7 and I'm saying so because 
> it is required for the contest in which I'm operating.
> 
> 
> If you want special attention because you are portable why not indicate 
> portable rather than QRP?
> 
> 
> 73,
> 
> Andy k3wyc
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Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] QSO of the week (and a re-learned QRP SSB tip

[Fred Jensen]

Yes, one never knows for sure until one makes contact and asks.  If 
precision matters, K3WYC/QRP/SIXEL/75FT is compliant with 47CFR97 and 
would cover all those bases. [:-)


73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 7/2/2018 11:19 AM, ANDY DURBIN wrote:

"/QRP often, but not always, indicates a field operation, and they're sort of fun to 
work, at least for me."


And sometimes it means someone running 5 W to a 6 ele Yagi at 75 ft! That 
station has far higher ERP that I do running 100 W with my modest antennas.


If I was portable in UK, where had my first licence, my call was g3wyc/p. US operators 
have completely butchered and obfuscated the meaning of portable by verbalizing k3wyc/7 
as "k3wyc portable 7". The /7 suffix does not mean I am portable. It just means 
I'm operating in region 7 and I'm saying so because it is required for the contest in 
which I'm operating.


If you want special attention because you are portable why not indicate 
portable rather than QRP?


73,

Andy k3wyc
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Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] QSO of the week (and a re-learned QRP SSB tip)

[Fred Jensen]

/QRP often, but not always, indicates a field operation, and they're 
sort of fun to work, at least for me. Having survived trying to move to 
AM in the mid 50's as a teenager and finding out the OT's did not like 
the invasion they said we were creating ["End of Ham Radio As We Know 
It"], I retreated to CW with a huge lesson in tolerance.  A FD CW op did 
send "Please copy," the Q was a struggle for him/ her, I asked for the 
name and I think I got Pat.  I went really slow, he/she said "QSL," I 
hope they enjoyed it.  I was QRP with my K2 and HOA-Stealth WOOF antenna 
[Wire On Organic Fence] since my K3 is in the shop. Learning is a slow, 
continuous process.


73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 7/1/2018 6:44 PM, Jim Brown wrote:

On 7/1/2018 6:29 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
I have found that signing "QRP" is more effective on SSB than it is 
on CW.  But it depends on the attitude of the listener at the other 
end. Some are encouraged by QRP, but others are turned off by it. 


I find it a "lidism," the equivalent of "please copy." I run QRP a 
lot, both during contests and chasing DX, but I will never respond to 
a station adding /QRP to his/her call.


73, Jim K9YC

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Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] QSO of the week (and a re-learned QRP SSB tip)

[Tony Estep]

Well, when I started working QRP I decided never to sign /qrp, but at least
once I wished that I had.

Martti, OH2BH, was on 20 phone and there was a gigantic pile. Finally he
started working by call areas, and when he came to the Zeroes, I finally
got my call through. So far, so good -- but he couldn't quite get my call
right. There were dozens of guys standing by, and Martti stuck with me over
and over, many many tries, until he finally got it. I was too stubborn to
explain that I was running 5 watts, but I could just feel all the guys
wondering why the weak guy was making everyone miserable. I guess that most
QRP ops have a similar story.

73 (or I guess I'm spozed to say 72),
Tony KT0NY
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Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] QSO of the week (and a re-learned QRP SSB tip)

[Fred Jensen]

Well, you're close Grant, probably close enough.  The Strawberry Full 
Moon in June was on 28 June at 0453 UTC.  The Buck Full Moon will occur 
on 27 July at 2021 UTC.  I have no idea were these names, other than 
"Full Moon,," come from.  If the Sturgeon Full Moon comes with a fish, I 
think I'll pour a stiff Scotch and go inside.


73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 7/1/2018 6:56 PM, Grant Youngman wrote:

If I did’t know better I’d swear there’s a full moon hovering over the list 
tonight, in several threads ….

Grant NQ5T
K3 #2091, KX3 #8342



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Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] QSO of the week (and a re-learned QRP SSB tip)

[Wayne Burdick]

To each his own. Apparently there’s some compassion for the little guys out 
there ;)

Wayne
N6KR


> On Jul 1, 2018, at 6:44 PM, Jim Brown  wrote:
> 
> On 7/1/2018 6:29 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
>> I have found that signing "QRP" is more effective on SSB than it is on CW.  
>> But it depends on the attitude of the listener at the other end. Some are 
>> encouraged by QRP, but others are turned off by it. 
> 
> I find it a "lidism," the equivalent of "please copy." I run QRP a lot, both 
> during contests and chasing DX, but I will never respond to a station adding 
> /QRP to his/her call.
> 
> 73, Jim K9YC



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Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] QSO of the week (and a re-learned QRP SSB tip)

[Grant Youngman]

If I did’t know better I’d swear there’s a full moon hovering over the list 
tonight, in several threads ….

Grant NQ5T
K3 #2091, KX3 #8342

>> 
>> 
> 
> I find it a "lidism," the equivalent of "please copy." 
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Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] QSO of the week (and a re-learned QRP SSB tip)

[Jim Brown]

On 7/1/2018 6:29 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
I have found that signing "QRP" is more effective on SSB than it is on 
CW.  But it depends on the attitude of the listener at the other end. 
Some are encouraged by QRP, but others are turned off by it. 


I find it a "lidism," the equivalent of "please copy." I run QRP a lot, 
both during contests and chasing DX, but I will never respond to a 
station adding /QRP to his/her call.


73, Jim K9YC

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Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] QSO of the week (and a re-learned QRP SSB tip)

[Don Wilhelm]

Wayne and all,

I have found that signing "QRP" is more effective on SSB than it is on 
CW.  But it depends on the attitude of the listener at the other end. 
Some are encouraged by QRP, but others are turned off by it.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/1/2018 8:27 PM, Wayne Burdick n...@elecraft.com [KX3] wrote:
Gorgeous day here in Northern Cal, so off I went on a mountain bike trip 
to the bay, with the KX2 and a home-brew multi-band whip in my sling 
pack. I found a log to sit on, in the shade (a luxury at the beach), 
then deployed the station. Within a few seconds I heard K2K in New 
Hampshire calling CQ on 20 m SSB as part of the "13-Colonies” operating 
event. Called him with 10 watts, and since there were many stations 
calling, I added “QRP” at the end. Broke the pileup on one call. With a 
4-foot whip :)


“QRP” sounds quite distinctive on the air, often drawing the attention 
of good operators. Timing is key: if you have several stations calling, 
they’ll all try to get their call in at the same time, pretty quickly, 
leaving a nice gap right at the end where that magic word can drop in. 
Give it a try next time you’re operating with low power or compromise 
antennas.


I’m more of a CW guy, but this reminded me how much SSB can be when the 
bands are open. Also worked a number of VE stations as part of the 
concurrent RAC contest.


I took a photo of the rig, antenna, and a supporting 2-legged “bipod" 
that I’ll be happy to share if anyone is interested. Just contact me 
off-list.


73,
Wayne
N6KR

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