Re: [Elecraft] CW Skimmer K3
check out the SoftRock Lite II SDR receiver from Tony Parks KB9RG. You can use his 8.215 MHz SoftRock Lite II for K3 IF application that comes with the xtal for the K3'a IF. Then tap the K3's IF through a buffer amp and bandpass filter from Clifton Laboratories. Run that output into a sound card capable of at least 48khz and you have your feed for the CW Skimmer software. Links to more info: http://wb5rvz.com/sdr/ WB5RVZ's Documentation site about all Tony's SDR's http://wb5rvz.com/sdr/sr_lite_ii/ SoftRock Lite II docs http://fivedash.com/ Tony KB9YIG's site http://cliftonlaboratories.com/ Clifton Labs site http://www.cliftonlaboratories.com/z10010_bandpass_filter.htm Bandpass filter http://cliftonlaboratories.com/z1_buffer_amp.htm Z1 Buffer Amp http://www.telepostinc.com/soundcards.html sound card recommendations get out your soldering iron Gary, this can be done the old fashioned way for way less than $500 bucks did I mention it's also fun? g P.S. if you spring for a better sound card (96khz or 192khz) you might get a kick out of the NaP3 software. Using LP-Bridge you can even use them all at the same time off the one K3 Serial Port. http://www.telepostinc.com/NaP3.html On 11/28/2012 12:09 AM, Gary Smith wrote: Ah, I'd never heard of sdr-iq but I just looked for info on it and for a $500 price tag, I'm not interested. The limitation of +/- 12 KHz with an additional piece of hardware doesn't thrill me either. To just have the audio be worked with has for me no practical function so I won't bother. I've heard the K3 described as a SDR radio and thought the needed outputs would be readily available. Apples oranges I guess. That's what I needed to know thanks. Now back to DX Gary KA1J If you use an sdr-iq with the K3 CWS will decode up to 190 kHz I believe. Greg On Nov 27, 2012 9:33 PM, David Gilbert xda...@cis-broadband.com wrote: CW Skimmer is indeed a pretty cool piece of software, but it doesn't work like that. Unless you also have some sort of SDR front end, all you'll be able to get with CW Skimmer is a display of the audio passband. For a display of stations outside that passband you need an additional piece of hardware that takes the IF out from the K3 and processes it so that it can be handled by your sound card and CW Skimmer. Even then, CW Skimmer has a limitation in IF mode that restricts what you see to something like +/- 12 KHz. Even if you decide to go with something else, there's a lot of good information on the LP-Pan website. Dave AB7E On 11/27/2012 10:19 PM, Gary Smith wrote: I'm always curious to try a new software I thought CW skimmer looks interesting. I'm wondering if anyone here is using it with their K3 and if so, what did you find was the best way to connect it to the K3? I have both the internal Realtek soundcard built into the PC motherboard and I have a E-MU USB soundcard which has XLR 1/4 inputs for left right. There's optical S/PDIF inputs as well but the K3 doesn't have those outputs. Thanks, Gary KA1J -- GB 73 K5OAI Sam Morgan __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] CW Skimmer K3
I must be crazy but I had an SDR-IQ connected to the RX OUT and used the rig control in the software connected to a VCP with LP Bridge and it worked fine. On 11/28/12, KQ8M k...@kq8m.com wrote: Unfortunately no, it only decodes +/- 12kHz. In the setup you use SDR-IF not SDR-IQ so you can control the radio. The software is limited to +/- 12. The author cannot/will not expand that. 73, Tim Herrick, KQ8M Charter Member North Coast Contesters k...@kq8m.com AR-Cluster V6 kq8m.no-ip.org User Ports: 23, 7373 with local skimmer, 7374 without local skimmer Server Ports: V6 3607, V4 Active 3605, V4 Passive 3606 -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Greg Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 12:38 AM To: David Gilbert Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] CW Skimmer K3 If you use an sdr-iq with the K3 CWS will decode up to 190 kHz I believe. Greg On Nov 27, 2012 9:33 PM, David Gilbert xda...@cis-broadband.com wrote: CW Skimmer is indeed a pretty cool piece of software, but it doesn't work like that. Unless you also have some sort of SDR front end, all you'll be able to get with CW Skimmer is a display of the audio passband. For a display of stations outside that passband you need an additional piece of hardware that takes the IF out from the K3 and processes it so that it can be handled by your sound card and CW Skimmer. Even then, CW Skimmer has a limitation in IF mode that restricts what you see to something like +/- 12 KHz. Even if you decide to go with something else, there's a lot of good information on the LP-Pan website. Dave AB7E On 11/27/2012 10:19 PM, Gary Smith wrote: I'm always curious to try a new software I thought CW skimmer looks interesting. I'm wondering if anyone here is using it with their K3 and if so, what did you find was the best way to connect it to the K3? I have both the internal Realtek soundcard built into the PC motherboard and I have a E-MU USB soundcard which has XLR 1/4 inputs for left right. There's optical S/PDIF inputs as well but the K3 doesn't have those outputs. Thanks, Gary KA1J __**__**__ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/**mailman/listinfo/elecrafthttp://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.**htmhttp://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:elecr...@mailman.qth.**net Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __**__**__ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/**mailman/listinfo/elecrafthttp://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.**htmhttp://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:elecr...@mailman.qth.**net Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] CW Skimmer K3
The outputs you are looking for exist on the KX3. I don't think they exist on any other rig. Larry N8LP Gary Smith-2 wrote Ah, I'd never heard of sdr-iq but I just looked for info on it and for a $500 price tag, I'm not interested. The limitation of +/- 12 KHz with an additional piece of hardware doesn't thrill me either. To just have the audio be worked with has for me no practical function so I won't bother. I've heard the K3 described as a SDR radio and thought the needed outputs would be readily available. Apples oranges I guess. That's what I needed to know thanks. Now back to DX Gary KA1J If you use an sdr-iq with the K3 CWS will decode up to 190 kHz I believe. Greg On Nov 27, 2012 9:33 PM, David Gilbert lt; xdavid@ gt; wrote: CW Skimmer is indeed a pretty cool piece of software, but it doesn't work like that. Unless you also have some sort of SDR front end, all you'll be able to get with CW Skimmer is a display of the audio passband. For a display of stations outside that passband you need an additional piece of hardware that takes the IF out from the K3 and processes it so that it can be handled by your sound card and CW Skimmer. Even then, CW Skimmer has a limitation in IF mode that restricts what you see to something like +/- 12 KHz. Even if you decide to go with something else, there's a lot of good information on the LP-Pan website. Dave AB7E On 11/27/2012 10:19 PM, Gary Smith wrote: I'm always curious to try a new software I thought CW skimmer looks interesting. I'm wondering if anyone here is using it with their K3 and if so, what did you find was the best way to connect it to the K3? I have both the internal Realtek soundcard built into the PC motherboard and I have a E-MU USB soundcard which has XLR 1/4 inputs for left right. There's optical S/PDIF inputs as well but the K3 doesn't have those outputs. Thanks, Gary KA1J __**__**__ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/**mailman/listinfo/elecraftlt;http://mailman.q gt; th.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.**htmlt;http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm gt; Post: mailto: Elecraft@ .**net lt; Elecraft@.qth gt; This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __**__**__ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/**mailman/listinfo/elecraftlt;http://mailman.qt gt; h.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.**htmlt;http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htmgt; Post: mailto: Elecraft@ .**net lt; Elecraft@.qth gt; This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto: Elecraft@.qth This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto: Elecraft@.qth This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/CW-Skimmer-K3-tp7566354p7566375.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] CW Skimmer K3
ExactlyI left out the part about the splitter. :) On 11/28/12, Pete Smith N4ZR n...@contesting.com wrote: Yep, you can do that. I have a magic-tee splitter that goes between RX OUT and RX IN, so that I can switch my QS1R in and out. 73, Pete N4ZR Check out the Reverse Beacon Network at http://reversebeacon.net, blog at reversebeacon.blogspot.com. For spots, please go to your favorite ARC V6 or VE7CC DX cluster node. On 11/28/2012 10:19 AM, Greg wrote: I must be crazy but I had an SDR-IQ connected to the RX OUT and used the rig control in the software connected to a VCP with LP Bridge and it worked fine. On 11/28/12, KQ8M k...@kq8m.com wrote: Unfortunately no, it only decodes +/- 12kHz. In the setup you use SDR-IF not SDR-IQ so you can control the radio. The software is limited to +/- 12. The author cannot/will not expand that. 73, Tim Herrick, KQ8M Charter Member North Coast Contesters k...@kq8m.com AR-Cluster V6 kq8m.no-ip.org User Ports: 23, 7373 with local skimmer, 7374 without local skimmer Server Ports: V6 3607, V4 Active 3605, V4 Passive 3606 -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Greg Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 12:38 AM To: David Gilbert Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] CW Skimmer K3 If you use an sdr-iq with the K3 CWS will decode up to 190 kHz I believe. Greg On Nov 27, 2012 9:33 PM, David Gilbert xda...@cis-broadband.com wrote: CW Skimmer is indeed a pretty cool piece of software, but it doesn't work like that. Unless you also have some sort of SDR front end, all you'll be able to get with CW Skimmer is a display of the audio passband. For a display of stations outside that passband you need an additional piece of hardware that takes the IF out from the K3 and processes it so that it can be handled by your sound card and CW Skimmer. Even then, CW Skimmer has a limitation in IF mode that restricts what you see to something like +/- 12 KHz. Even if you decide to go with something else, there's a lot of good information on the LP-Pan website. Dave AB7E On 11/27/2012 10:19 PM, Gary Smith wrote: I'm always curious to try a new software I thought CW skimmer looks interesting. I'm wondering if anyone here is using it with their K3 and if so, what did you find was the best way to connect it to the K3? I have both the internal Realtek soundcard built into the PC motherboard and I have a E-MU USB soundcard which has XLR 1/4 inputs for left right. There's optical S/PDIF inputs as well but the K3 doesn't have those outputs. Thanks, Gary KA1J __**__**__ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/**mailman/listinfo/elecrafthttp://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.**htmhttp://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:elecr...@mailman.qth.**net Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __**__**__ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/**mailman/listinfo/elecrafthttp://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.**htmhttp://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:elecr...@mailman.qth.**net Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] CW Skimmer K3
Yes. It works. Need to connect I/Q out to your E-MU and probably need isolation transformers to keep the noise out. The cable kit is an easy way to do to get there. But you probably still need to fiddle with getting audio isolation inline. At least I did. 73, Christian AK4VV On Nov 28, 2012 12:19 AM, Gary Smith g...@ka1j.com wrote: I'm always curious to try a new software I thought CW skimmer looks interesting. I'm wondering if anyone here is using it with their K3 and if so, what did you find was the best way to connect it to the K3? I have both the internal Realtek soundcard built into the PC motherboard and I have a E-MU USB soundcard which has XLR 1/4 inputs for left right. There's optical S/PDIF inputs as well but the K3 doesn't have those outputs. Thanks, Gary KA1J __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] CW Skimmer K3
Another option is to use something like an active rx antenna on the SDRIQ with a relay to disconnect during transmit. I did this with the QS1R for awhile and it was a good combination. On 11/28/12, Greg a...@cablespeed.com wrote: Yup.Works fine too. On 11/28/12, KQ8M k...@kq8m.com wrote: Your just sharing the RX antenna now not actually using the K3's IF. 73, Tim Herrick, KQ8M Charter Member North Coast Contesters k...@kq8m.com AR-Cluster V6 kq8m.no-ip.org User Ports: 23, 7373 with local skimmer, 7374 without local skimmer Server Ports: V6 3607, V4 Active 3605, V4 Passive 3606 -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Greg Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 11:33 AM To: Pete Smith N4ZR; Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] CW Skimmer K3 ExactlyI left out the part about the splitter. :) On 11/28/12, Pete Smith N4ZR n...@contesting.com wrote: Yep, you can do that. I have a magic-tee splitter that goes between RX OUT and RX IN, so that I can switch my QS1R in and out. 73, Pete N4ZR Check out the Reverse Beacon Network at http://reversebeacon.net, blog at reversebeacon.blogspot.com. For spots, please go to your favorite ARC V6 or VE7CC DX cluster node. On 11/28/2012 10:19 AM, Greg wrote: I must be crazy but I had an SDR-IQ connected to the RX OUT and used the rig control in the software connected to a VCP with LP Bridge and it worked fine. On 11/28/12, KQ8M k...@kq8m.com wrote: Unfortunately no, it only decodes +/- 12kHz. In the setup you use SDR-IF not SDR-IQ so you can control the radio. The software is limited to +/- 12. The author cannot/will not expand that. 73, Tim Herrick, KQ8M Charter Member North Coast Contesters k...@kq8m.com AR-Cluster V6 kq8m.no-ip.org User Ports: 23, 7373 with local skimmer, 7374 without local skimmer Server Ports: V6 3607, V4 Active 3605, V4 Passive 3606 -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Greg Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 12:38 AM To: David Gilbert Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] CW Skimmer K3 If you use an sdr-iq with the K3 CWS will decode up to 190 kHz I believe. Greg On Nov 27, 2012 9:33 PM, David Gilbert xda...@cis-broadband.com wrote: CW Skimmer is indeed a pretty cool piece of software, but it doesn't work like that. Unless you also have some sort of SDR front end, all you'll be able to get with CW Skimmer is a display of the audio passband. For a display of stations outside that passband you need an additional piece of hardware that takes the IF out from the K3 and processes it so that it can be handled by your sound card and CW Skimmer. Even then, CW Skimmer has a limitation in IF mode that restricts what you see to something like +/- 12 KHz. Even if you decide to go with something else, there's a lot of good information on the LP-Pan website. Dave AB7E On 11/27/2012 10:19 PM, Gary Smith wrote: I'm always curious to try a new software I thought CW skimmer looks interesting. I'm wondering if anyone here is using it with their K3 and if so, what did you find was the best way to connect it to the K3? I have both the internal Realtek soundcard built into the PC motherboard and I have a E-MU USB soundcard which has XLR 1/4 inputs for left right. There's optical S/PDIF inputs as well but the K3 doesn't have those outputs. Thanks, Gary KA1J __**__**__ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/**mailman/listinfo/elecrafthttp://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.**htmhttp://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:elecr...@mailman.qth.**net Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __**__**__ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/**mailman/listinfo/elecrafthttp://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.**htmhttp://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:elecr...@mailman.qth.**net Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post
Re: [Elecraft] CW Skimmer K3
This is obviously something that should be made available as an add-on/upgrade to the K3. Gary KA1J The outputs you are looking for exist on the KX3. I don't think they exist on any other rig. Larry N8LP Gary Smith-2 wrote Ah, I'd never heard of sdr-iq but I just looked for info on it and for a $500 price tag, I'm not interested. The limitation of +/- 12 KHz with an additional piece of hardware doesn't thrill me either. To just have the audio be worked with has for me no practical function so I won't bother. I've heard the K3 described as a SDR radio and thought the needed outputs would be readily available. Apples oranges I guess. That's what I needed to know thanks. Now back to DX Gary KA1J If you use an sdr-iq with the K3 CWS will decode up to 190 kHz I believe. Greg On Nov 27, 2012 9:33 PM, David Gilbert lt; xdavid@ gt; wrote: CW Skimmer is indeed a pretty cool piece of software, but it doesn't work like that. Unless you also have some sort of SDR front end, all you'll be able to get with CW Skimmer is a display of the audio passband. For a display of stations outside that passband you need an additional piece of hardware that takes the IF out from the K3 and processes it so that it can be handled by your sound card and CW Skimmer. Even then, CW Skimmer has a limitation in IF mode that restricts what you see to something like +/- 12 KHz. Even if you decide to go with something else, there's a lot of good information on the LP-Pan website. Dave AB7E On 11/27/2012 10:19 PM, Gary Smith wrote: I'm always curious to try a new software I thought CW skimmer looks interesting. I'm wondering if anyone here is using it with their K3 and if so, what did you find was the best way to connect it to the K3? I have both the internal Realtek soundcard built into the PC motherboard and I have a E-MU USB soundcard which has XLR 1/4 inputs for left right. There's optical S/PDIF inputs as well but the K3 doesn't have those outputs. Thanks, Gary KA1J __**__** __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/**mailman/listinfo/elecraftlt;http://mai lman.q gt; th.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.**htmlt;http://mailman.qth.net/mmf aq.htm gt; Post: mailto: Elecraft@ .**net lt; Elecraft@.qth gt; This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __**__**_ _ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/**mailman/listinfo/elecraftlt;http://mail man.qt gt; h.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.**htmlt;http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq. htmgt; Post: mailto: Elecraft@ .**net lt; Elecraft@.qth gt; This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto: Elecraft@.qth This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto: Elecraft@.qth This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/CW-Skimmer-K3-tp7566354p7566375.h tml Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] CW Skimmer K3
KA1J asked if he could use his K3 and his computer sound card to run CW SKimmer, and you're telling him how he can spend between $500 (SDR-IQ) and $1000 (QS1-R) for a solution that doesn't even actually use the K3. That's like me asking if I can add a tailgate lift to my pickup and you telling me to buy a forklift. Dave AB7E On 11/28/2012 9:40 AM, Greg wrote: Another option is to use something like an active rx antenna on the SDRIQ with a relay to disconnect during transmit. I did this with the QS1R for awhile and it was a good combination. On 11/28/12, Greg a...@cablespeed.com wrote: Yup.Works fine too. On 11/28/12, KQ8M k...@kq8m.com wrote: Your just sharing the RX antenna now not actually using the K3's IF. 73, Tim Herrick, KQ8M Charter Member North Coast Contesters k...@kq8m.com On 11/28/2012 10:19 AM, Greg wrote: I must be crazy but I had an SDR-IQ connected to the RX OUT and used the rig control in the software connected to a VCP with LP Bridge and it worked fine. On 11/28/12, KQ8M k...@kq8m.com wrote: Unfortunately no, it only decodes +/- 12kHz. In the setup you use SDR-IF not SDR-IQ so you can control the radio. The software is limited to +/- 12. The author cannot/will not expand that. 73, Tim Herrick, KQ8M Charter Member North Coast Contesters k...@kq8m.com -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Greg Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 12:38 AM To: David Gilbert Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] CW Skimmer K3 If you use an sdr-iq with the K3 CWS will decode up to 190 kHz I believe. Greg __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] CW Skimmer K3
Gary, You need a KXV3A to have IF output. You them can downconvert the 8MHz IF signal to audiofrequency with a box like the LP-PAN downconverter. See http://telepostinc.com/LP-PAN.html With the EMU USB 0202 soundcard you will get a nice bandscope for the K3, but it also works with Skimmer. You might ask on the reflector if someone has a used LP-PAN for sale as a lot of people replaced their LP-PAN with the P3. I am a happy user of the LP-PAN converter. It is recommended to do the IF mod on the K3 if your K3 is older them September 2009. (http://www.elecraft.com/K3/mods/IF_Output_Buffer_Gain_Mod_Rev_A.pdf). 73 Henk PA5KT Op 28-11-2012 6:19, Gary Smith schreef: I'm always curious to try a new software I thought CW skimmer looks interesting. I'm wondering if anyone here is using it with their K3 and if so, what did you find was the best way to connect it to the K3? I have both the internal Realtek soundcard built into the PC motherboard and I have a E-MU USB soundcard which has XLR 1/4 inputs for left right. There's optical S/PDIF inputs as well but the K3 doesn't have those outputs. Thanks, Gary KA1J __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] CW Skimmer K3
That's still limited to +/- 12 KHz for use with CW Skimmer. By the way, I thought I read somewhere recently that the Softrock Lite for use with the K3 IF was no longer offered by Tony although I could be wrong, about that. If anyone knows for certain, please correct me. Dave AB7E On 11/28/2012 4:31 AM, Sam Morgan wrote: check out the SoftRock Lite II SDR receiver from Tony Parks KB9RG. You can use his 8.215 MHz SoftRock Lite II for K3 IF application that comes with the xtal for the K3'a IF. Then tap the K3's IF through a buffer amp and bandpass filter from Clifton Laboratories. Run that output into a sound card capable of at least 48khz and you have your feed for the CW Skimmer software. snip On 11/28/2012 12:09 AM, Gary Smith wrote: Ah, I'd never heard of sdr-iq but I just looked for info on it and for a $500 price tag, I'm not interested. The limitation of +/- 12 KHz with an additional piece of hardware doesn't thrill me either. To just have the audio be worked with has for me no practical function so I won't bother. I've heard the K3 described as a SDR radio and thought the needed outputs would be readily available. Apples oranges I guess. That's what I needed to know thanks. Now back to DX Gary KA1J __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] CW Skimmer K3
TelePost Inc (i.e. N8LP) provides such an add-on. It's called LP-Pan. If you're suggesting that Elecraft should provide an internal module option for this... I suppose that might be technically feasible, but I'm not sure it'd really be much of a value-add, since LP-Pan works well. BTW, from what I understand, the KX3 architecture is quite different from the K3, and it actually uses I/Q internally, so it's easy to make the I/Q signals available externally, whereas the K3 requires a converter (like LP-Pan) that takes the IF as its input. 73, ~iain / N6ML On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 9:04 AM, Gary Smith g...@ka1j.com wrote: This is obviously something that should be made available as an add-on/upgrade to the K3. Gary KA1J The outputs you are looking for exist on the KX3. I don't think they exist on any other rig. Larry N8LP Gary Smith-2 wrote Ah, I'd never heard of sdr-iq but I just looked for info on it and for a $500 price tag, I'm not interested. The limitation of +/- 12 KHz with an additional piece of hardware doesn't thrill me either. To just have the audio be worked with has for me no practical function so I won't bother. I've heard the K3 described as a SDR radio and thought the needed outputs would be readily available. Apples oranges I guess. That's what I needed to know thanks. Now back to DX Gary KA1J If you use an sdr-iq with the K3 CWS will decode up to 190 kHz I believe. Greg On Nov 27, 2012 9:33 PM, David Gilbert lt; xdavid@ gt; wrote: CW Skimmer is indeed a pretty cool piece of software, but it doesn't work like that. Unless you also have some sort of SDR front end, all you'll be able to get with CW Skimmer is a display of the audio passband. For a display of stations outside that passband you need an additional piece of hardware that takes the IF out from the K3 and processes it so that it can be handled by your sound card and CW Skimmer. Even then, CW Skimmer has a limitation in IF mode that restricts what you see to something like +/- 12 KHz. Even if you decide to go with something else, there's a lot of good information on the LP-Pan website. Dave AB7E On 11/27/2012 10:19 PM, Gary Smith wrote: I'm always curious to try a new software I thought CW skimmer looks interesting. I'm wondering if anyone here is using it with their K3 and if so, what did you find was the best way to connect it to the K3? I have both the internal Realtek soundcard built into the PC motherboard and I have a E-MU USB soundcard which has XLR 1/4 inputs for left right. There's optical S/PDIF inputs as well but the K3 doesn't have those outputs. Thanks, Gary KA1J __**__** __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/**mailman/listinfo/elecraftlt;http://mai lman.q gt; th.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.**htmlt;http://mailman.qth.net/mmf aq.htm gt; Post: mailto: Elecraft@ .**net lt; Elecraft@.qth gt; This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __**__**_ _ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/**mailman/listinfo/elecraftlt;http://mail man.qt gt; h.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.**htmlt;http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq. htmgt; Post: mailto: Elecraft@ .**net lt; Elecraft@.qth gt; This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto: Elecraft@.qth This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto: Elecraft@.qth This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/CW-Skimmer-K3-tp7566354p7566375.h tml Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] CW Skimmer K3
Gary, The K3 IF output is what can be used to run CW Skimmer or other applications. You can use LP- Pan, or a Softrock receiver (with a buffer amplifier) or you can use an SDR receiver that provides a computer connection such as SDR-IQ. The K3 filtering will not allow wideband I and Q signals to be available as output signals - yes, those signals do exist internally to the K3, but not in analog form - unlike the KX3 where the analog I and Q signals are available. The two receivers have different architecture even though they are both in the class of SDR receivers. 73, Don W3FPR On 11/28/2012 12:04 PM, Gary Smith wrote: This is obviously something that should be made available as an add-on/upgrade to the K3. Gary KA1J The outputs you are looking for exist on the KX3. I don't think they exist on any other rig. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] CW Skimmer K3
I was simply mentioning optionsand a used SDR-IQ can be found for $300-$400 and you don't need the soundcard to get 192 kHz decoding and works fine with the K3 RX IN/OUT loop. If you don't like my comment to him simply turn the page Dave. 73 Greg On 11/28/12, David Gilbert xda...@cis-broadband.com wrote: KA1J asked if he could use his K3 and his computer sound card to run CW SKimmer, and you're telling him how he can spend between $500 (SDR-IQ) and $1000 (QS1-R) for a solution that doesn't even actually use the K3. That's like me asking if I can add a tailgate lift to my pickup and you telling me to buy a forklift. Dave AB7E On 11/28/2012 9:40 AM, Greg wrote: Another option is to use something like an active rx antenna on the SDRIQ with a relay to disconnect during transmit. I did this with the QS1R for awhile and it was a good combination. On 11/28/12, Greg a...@cablespeed.com wrote: Yup.Works fine too. On 11/28/12, KQ8M k...@kq8m.com wrote: Your just sharing the RX antenna now not actually using the K3's IF. 73, Tim Herrick, KQ8M Charter Member North Coast Contesters k...@kq8m.com On 11/28/2012 10:19 AM, Greg wrote: I must be crazy but I had an SDR-IQ connected to the RX OUT and used the rig control in the software connected to a VCP with LP Bridge and it worked fine. On 11/28/12, KQ8M k...@kq8m.com wrote: Unfortunately no, it only decodes +/- 12kHz. In the setup you use SDR-IF not SDR-IQ so you can control the radio. The software is limited to +/- 12. The author cannot/will not expand that. 73, Tim Herrick, KQ8M Charter Member North Coast Contesters k...@kq8m.com -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Greg Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 12:38 AM To: David Gilbert Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] CW Skimmer K3 If you use an sdr-iq with the K3 CWS will decode up to 190 kHz I believe. Greg __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] CW Skimmer K3
typo correction should say Tony Parks *KB9YIG* not Tony Parks KB9RG. On 11/28/2012 5:31 AM, Sam Morgan wrote: check out the SoftRock Lite II SDR receiver from Tony Parks KB9RG. You can use his 8.215 MHz SoftRock Lite II for K3 IF application that comes with the xtal for the K3'a IF. Then tap the K3's IF through a buffer amp and bandpass filter from Clifton Laboratories. Run that output into a sound card capable of at least 48khz and you have your feed for the CW Skimmer software. Links to more info: http://wb5rvz.com/sdr/ WB5RVZ's Documentation site about all Tony's SDR's http://wb5rvz.com/sdr/sr_lite_ii/ SoftRock Lite II docs http://fivedash.com/ Tony KB9YIG's site http://cliftonlaboratories.com/ Clifton Labs site http://www.cliftonlaboratories.com/z10010_bandpass_filter.htm Bandpass filter http://cliftonlaboratories.com/z1_buffer_amp.htm Z1 Buffer Amp http://www.telepostinc.com/soundcards.html sound card recommendations get out your soldering iron Gary, this can be done the old fashioned way for way less than $500 bucks did I mention it's also fun? g P.S. if you spring for a better sound card (96khz or 192khz) you might get a kick out of the NaP3 software. Using LP-Bridge you can even use them all at the same time off the one K3 Serial Port. http://www.telepostinc.com/NaP3.html -- GB 73 K5OAI Sam Morgan __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] CW Skimmer K3
Just to clarify, the +/- 12KHz limitation when using CW SKimmer in IF Mode is a function of the software itself imposed by the author of that application for reasons that have never been clear to me. CW Skimmer will work over wider ranges when separately used with hardware like the SDR-IQ or QS1-R, but then again the K3 isn't needed in those cases anyway. Other SDR software like NaP3 will give a full range (limited by whatever the sound card is capable of) display even when used with the K3 IF output (plus the requisite SDR hardware like the Softrock or LP-Pan or SDR-IQ or QS1-R or whatever), but of course won't have the on-screen callsign/CW decoding that CW Skimmer does. And as someone recently pointed out, you do need the KXV3A option installed in your K3 to get the IF out of the K3 in the first place. 73, Dave AB7E On 11/28/2012 10:54 AM, David Gilbert wrote: That's still limited to +/- 12 KHz for use with CW Skimmer. By the way, I thought I read somewhere recently that the Softrock Lite for use with the K3 IF was no longer offered by Tony although I could be wrong about that. If anyone knows for certain, please correct me. Dave AB7E On 11/28/2012 4:31 AM, Sam Morgan wrote: check out the SoftRock Lite II SDR receiver from Tony Parks KB9RG. You can use his 8.215 MHz SoftRock Lite II for K3 IF application that comes with the xtal for the K3'a IF. Then tap the K3's IF through a buffer amp and bandpass filter from Clifton Laboratories. Run that output into a sound card capable of at least 48khz and you have your feed for the CW Skimmer software. snip On 11/28/2012 12:09 AM, Gary Smith wrote: Ah, I'd never heard of sdr-iq but I just looked for info on it and for a $500 price tag, I'm not interested. The limitation of +/- 12 KHz with an additional piece of hardware doesn't thrill me either. To just have the audio be worked with has for me no practical function so I won't bother. I've heard the K3 described as a SDR radio and thought the needed outputs would be readily available. Apples oranges I guess. That's what I needed to know thanks. Now back to DX Gary KA1J __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] CW Skimmer K3
Brian, do you have a website. I get a couple of million other references to IBSS. I presently use Skimscanner but would like to check this one out. 73, Tim Herrick, KQ8M Charter Member North Coast Contesters k...@kq8m.com AR-Cluster V6 kq8m.no-ip.org User Ports: 23, 7373 with local skimmer, 7374 without local skimmer Server Ports: V6 3607, V4 Active 3605, V4 Passive 3606 -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Brian Alsop Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 1:48 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] CW Skimmer K3 The +/- 12 KHz limit can be overcome by a program called IBSS. It lets you define segments for each band and how long you want SKIMMER to spend listening in each segment. Author is: W3OA @ roadrunner.com (delete spaces). Used it many contest weekends. With SKIMMER on VFO B reporting spots and IBSS, you can have a robot operator scanning the band looking for new ones. I use a Softrock SDR. 73 de Brian/K3KO On 11/28/2012 18:23, David Gilbert wrote: That's good news ... the Softrock has surprisingly good performance and is certainly an inexpensive way to get involved with SDR applications. Thanks for the correction. 73, Dave AB7E On 11/28/2012 11:09 AM, Sam Morgan wrote: here is the direct link to Tony's site called five dash inc where he *IS_STILL* selling the SoftRock needed for the K3 if tap: http://tinyurl.com/br28abo snip On 11/28/2012 11:54 AM, David Gilbert wrote: That's still limited to ± 12 KHz for use with CW Skimmer. By the way, I thought I read somewhere recently that the Softrock Lite for use with the K3 IF was no longer offered by Tony although I could be wrong, about that. If anyone knows for certain, please correct me. Dave AB7E __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2629/5424 - Release Date: 11/28/12 - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2629/5424 - Release Date: 11/28/12 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] CW Skimmer K3
Thanks for all the helpful replies. I do have the KXV3A (never used it yet) in this K3, subreceiver too. I've considered the LP-Pan which looks really nice and I have the LP-100A and it's stellar so I know the LP-Pan will be as effective but can't afford to go the LP-Pan route or the P3 either. I just had read a little about the CW Skimmer and was curious as to how it would be of interest to me if I tried it, it seemed like all that was needed for it was to work was a soundcard and all would hook up readily the monitor would show the information. I didn't realize all the extra accouterments needed to make it useful; I've never seen it in operation and don't know anyone using it to go have a look see. Think I'm going back to my rock wait for some Dx to fly by for supper. Gary KA1J Just to clarify, the +/- 12KHz limitation when using CW SKimmer in IF Mode is a function of the software itself imposed by the author of that application for reasons that have never been clear to me. CW Skimmer will work over wider ranges when separately used with hardware like the SDR-IQ or QS1-R, but then again the K3 isn't needed in those cases anyway. Other SDR software like NaP3 will give a full range (limited by whatever the sound card is capable of) display even when used with the K3 IF output (plus the requisite SDR hardware like the Softrock or LP-Pan or SDR-IQ or QS1-R or whatever), but of course won't have the on-screen callsign/CW decoding that CW Skimmer does. And as someone recently pointed out, you do need the KXV3A option installed in your K3 to get the IF out of the K3 in the first place. 73, Dave AB7E On 11/28/2012 10:54 AM, David Gilbert wrote: That's still limited to +/- 12 KHz for use with CW Skimmer. By the way, I thought I read somewhere recently that the Softrock Lite for use with the K3 IF was no longer offered by Tony although I could be wrong about that. If anyone knows for certain, please correct me. Dave AB7E On 11/28/2012 4:31 AM, Sam Morgan wrote: check out the SoftRock Lite II SDR receiver from Tony Parks KB9RG. You can use his 8.215 MHz SoftRock Lite II for K3 IF application that comes with the xtal for the K3'a IF. Then tap the K3's IF through a buffer amp and bandpass filter from Clifton Laboratories. Run that output into a sound card capable of at least 48khz and you have your feed for the CW Skimmer software. snip On 11/28/2012 12:09 AM, Gary Smith wrote: Ah, I'd never heard of sdr-iq but I just looked for info on it and for a $500 price tag, I'm not interested. The limitation of +/- 12 KHz with an additional piece of hardware doesn't thrill me either. To just have the audio be worked with has for me no practical function so I won't bother. I've heard the K3 described as a SDR radio and thought the needed outputs would be readily available. Apples oranges I guess. That's what I needed to know thanks. Now back to DX Gary KA1J __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] CW Skimmer K3
Maybe he meant this: http://home.roadrunner.com/~w3oa/SkimScan/ (from Google for w3oa skimmer) 73, ~iain / N6ML On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 10:56 AM, KQ8M k...@kq8m.com wrote: Brian, do you have a website. I get a couple of million other references to IBSS. I presently use Skimscanner but would like to check this one out. 73, Tim Herrick, KQ8M Charter Member North Coast Contesters k...@kq8m.com AR-Cluster V6 kq8m.no-ip.org User Ports: 23, 7373 with local skimmer, 7374 without local skimmer Server Ports: V6 3607, V4 Active 3605, V4 Passive 3606 -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Brian Alsop Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 1:48 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] CW Skimmer K3 The +/- 12 KHz limit can be overcome by a program called IBSS. It lets you define segments for each band and how long you want SKIMMER to spend listening in each segment. Author is: W3OA @ roadrunner.com (delete spaces). Used it many contest weekends. With SKIMMER on VFO B reporting spots and IBSS, you can have a robot operator scanning the band looking for new ones. I use a Softrock SDR. 73 de Brian/K3KO On 11/28/2012 18:23, David Gilbert wrote: That's good news ... the Softrock has surprisingly good performance and is certainly an inexpensive way to get involved with SDR applications. Thanks for the correction. 73, Dave AB7E On 11/28/2012 11:09 AM, Sam Morgan wrote: here is the direct link to Tony's site called five dash inc where he *IS_STILL* selling the SoftRock needed for the K3 if tap: http://tinyurl.com/br28abo snip On 11/28/2012 11:54 AM, David Gilbert wrote: That's still limited to ± 12 KHz for use with CW Skimmer. By the way, I thought I read somewhere recently that the Softrock Lite for use with the K3 IF was no longer offered by Tony although I could be wrong, about that. If anyone knows for certain, please correct me. Dave AB7E __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2629/5424 - Release Date: 11/28/12 - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2629/5424 - Release Date: 11/28/12 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] CW Skimmer K3
That's the guy but not the program. SKIMSCAN is for jumping from band to band on a single frequency. Contact him directly to get the program. I asked him if he could mod it to scan several frequencies in a single band-- definable for each band. He came up with IBSS. 73 de Brian/K3KO On 11/28/2012 19:02, iain macdonnell - N6ML wrote: Maybe he meant this: http://home.roadrunner.com/~w3oa/SkimScan/ (from Google for w3oa skimmer) 73, ~iain / N6ML On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 10:56 AM, KQ8M k...@kq8m.com wrote: Brian, do you have a website. I get a couple of million other references to IBSS. I presently use Skimscanner but would like to check this one out. 73, Tim Herrick, KQ8M Charter Member North Coast Contesters k...@kq8m.com AR-Cluster V6 kq8m.no-ip.org User Ports: 23, 7373 with local skimmer, 7374 without local skimmer Server Ports: V6 3607, V4 Active 3605, V4 Passive 3606 -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Brian Alsop Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 1:48 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] CW Skimmer K3 The +/- 12 KHz limit can be overcome by a program called IBSS. It lets you define segments for each band and how long you want SKIMMER to spend listening in each segment. Author is: W3OA @ roadrunner.com (delete spaces). Used it many contest weekends. With SKIMMER on VFO B reporting spots and IBSS, you can have a robot operator scanning the band looking for new ones. I use a Softrock SDR. 73 de Brian/K3KO On 11/28/2012 18:23, David Gilbert wrote: That's good news ... the Softrock has surprisingly good performance and is certainly an inexpensive way to get involved with SDR applications. Thanks for the correction. 73, Dave AB7E On 11/28/2012 11:09 AM, Sam Morgan wrote: here is the direct link to Tony's site called five dash inc where he *IS_STILL* selling the SoftRock needed for the K3 if tap: http://tinyurl.com/br28abo snip On 11/28/2012 11:54 AM, David Gilbert wrote: That's still limited to ± 12 KHz for use with CW Skimmer. By the way, I thought I read somewhere recently that the Softrock Lite for use with the K3 IF was no longer offered by Tony although I could be wrong, about that. If anyone knows for certain, please correct me. Dave AB7E __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2629/5424 - Release Date: 11/28/12 - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2629/5424 - Release Date: 11/28/12 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2629/5424 - Release Date: 11/28/12 - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2629/5424 - Release Date: 11/28/12 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] CW Skimmer K3
or just enter IBSS instead of SkinScan http://home.roadrunner.com/~w3oa/IBSS/ On 11/28/2012 1:15 PM, Brian Alsop wrote: That's the guy but not the program. SKIMSCAN is for jumping from band to band on a single frequency. Contact him directly to get the program. I asked him if he could mod it to scan several frequencies in a single band-- definable for each band. He came up with IBSS. 73 de Brian/K3KO -- GB 73 K5OAI Sam Morgan __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] CW Skimmer K3
Argh. Showed up in my KX3 folder. Sorry. Disregard. On Nov 28, 2012 11:37 AM, Christian AK4VV ak...@kuhtz.com wrote: Yes. It works. Need to connect I/Q out to your E-MU and probably need isolation transformers to keep the noise out. The cable kit is an easy way to do to get there. But you probably still need to fiddle with getting audio isolation inline. At least I did. 73, Christian AK4VV On Nov 28, 2012 12:19 AM, Gary Smith g...@ka1j.com wrote: I'm always curious to try a new software I thought CW skimmer looks interesting. I'm wondering if anyone here is using it with their K3 and if so, what did you find was the best way to connect it to the K3? I have both the internal Realtek soundcard built into the PC motherboard and I have a E-MU USB soundcard which has XLR 1/4 inputs for left right. There's optical S/PDIF inputs as well but the K3 doesn't have those outputs. Thanks, Gary KA1J __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] CW Skimmer K3
Good point ... and if you want to carry that idea a bit further you can actually accomplish a similar thing without any SDR hardware at all. Just use CW Skimmer in audio mode (K3 Line Out to sound card input) with the K3 passband opened up to whatever your widest filter is, and then use a macro application like AutoHotKey to step CW Skimmer up in increments of approximately that bandwidth. The downside, of course, is that it can take a while to step through an entire band. CW Skimmer decodes plenty fast enough, but you need to delay at each jump long enough to reasonably expect a callsign to be sent. Either that or you just step through more quickly and let the bandmap gradually fill up as CW Skimmer happens to stumble on each callsign. 73, Dave AB7E On 11/28/2012 11:47 AM, Brian Alsop wrote: The +/- 12 KHz limit can be overcome by a program called IBSS. It lets you define segments for each band and how long you want SKIMMER to spend listening in each segment. Author is: W3OA @ roadrunner.com (delete spaces). Used it many contest weekends. With SKIMMER on VFO B reporting spots and IBSS, you can have a robot operator scanning the band looking for new ones. I use a Softrock SDR. 73 de Brian/K3KO On 11/28/2012 18:23, David Gilbert wrote: That's good news ... the Softrock has surprisingly good performance and is certainly an inexpensive way to get involved with SDR applications. Thanks for the correction. 73, Dave AB7E On 11/28/2012 11:09 AM, Sam Morgan wrote: here is the direct link to Tony's site called five dash inc where he *IS_STILL* selling the SoftRock needed for the K3 if tap: http://tinyurl.com/br28abo snip On 11/28/2012 11:54 AM, David Gilbert wrote: That's still limited to ± 12 KHz for use with CW Skimmer. By the way, I thought I read somewhere recently that the Softrock Lite for use with the K3 IF was no longer offered by Tony although I could be wrong, about that. If anyone knows for certain, please correct me. Dave AB7E __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2629/5424 - Release Date: 11/28/12 - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2629/5424 - Release Date: 11/28/12 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] CW Skimmer K3
For what it may be worth, I have indeed found CW Skimmer to be useful even when only used in audio mode (K3 Line Out fed directly to the input of the sound card). It won't give you much of a spectrum display since it will be limited to however wide your K3 passband filter is, but it will do other potentially useful things. a. It will decode callsigns and text of whatever falls within your listening passband. You ear/brain may only lock onto one caller but CW Skimmer will often catch more than that. Work one station and then immediately call the next, assuming you are operating assisted. b. The resolution of the waterfall display in CW Skimmer is superlative, and it scrolls from right to left (meaning we can read it normally from left to right). I have sometimes used CW Skimmer (audio only) in Blind Mode (meaning it does not display callsigns or text) purely for the visual representation of the Morse Code I'm receiving. With a reasonably high resolution monitor I can get about 12 seconds of CW banner running across my screen. I narrow the CW Skimmer window vertically to just a stripe that I can squeeze between the various N1MM logger windows, and if I miss something that has been sent to me I can quickly glance up and usually see what it was. It takes some mental retraining to add visual decoding to the reception process, but I read the dots and dashes as dits and dahs so that helps. My CW recognition isn't too bad on its own so I don't often have to use this technique, but like many I often confuse S with H or H with 5, and it is very quick to simply glance up and count dots for verification. It has saved me several times from having to ask for a repeat. I even wrote some AutoHotKey scripts to pause/unpause the CW Skimmer waterfall for those times when I knew I missed something but couldn't immediately glance up to check it. c. You see how bad the clicks are on some hams' signals (assuming you aren't overdriving your sound card and producing them internally). They look as bad as they sound. Whether any of that is worth the price of the program to you is another matter, but I found that it was for me. 73, Dave AB7E On 11/28/2012 12:00 PM, Gary Smith wrote: Thanks for all the helpful replies. I do have the KXV3A (never used it yet) in this K3, subreceiver too. I've considered the LP-Pan which looks really nice and I have the LP-100A and it's stellar so I know the LP-Pan will be as effective but can't afford to go the LP-Pan route or the P3 either. I just had read a little about the CW Skimmer and was curious as to how it would be of interest to me if I tried it, it seemed like all that was needed for it was to work was a soundcard and all would hook up readily the monitor would show the information. I didn't realize all the extra accouterments needed to make it useful; I've never seen it in operation and don't know anyone using it to go have a look see. Think I'm going back to my rock wait for some Dx to fly by for supper. Gary KA1J Just to clarify, the +/- 12KHz limitation when using CW SKimmer in IF Mode is a function of the software itself imposed by the author of that application for reasons that have never been clear to me. CW Skimmer will work over wider ranges when separately used with hardware like the SDR-IQ or QS1-R, but then again the K3 isn't needed in those cases anyway. Other SDR software like NaP3 will give a full range (limited by whatever the sound card is capable of) display even when used with the K3 IF output (plus the requisite SDR hardware like the Softrock or LP-Pan or SDR-IQ or QS1-R or whatever), but of course won't have the on-screen callsign/CW decoding that CW Skimmer does. And as someone recently pointed out, you do need the KXV3A option installed in your K3 to get the IF out of the K3 in the first place. 73, Dave AB7E __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] CW Skimmer K3
CW Skimmer is indeed a pretty cool piece of software, but it doesn't work like that. Unless you also have some sort of SDR front end, all you'll be able to get with CW Skimmer is a display of the audio passband. For a display of stations outside that passband you need an additional piece of hardware that takes the IF out from the K3 and processes it so that it can be handled by your sound card and CW Skimmer. Even then, CW Skimmer has a limitation in IF mode that restricts what you see to something like +/- 12 KHz. Even if you decide to go with something else, there's a lot of good information on the LP-Pan website. Dave AB7E On 11/27/2012 10:19 PM, Gary Smith wrote: I'm always curious to try a new software I thought CW skimmer looks interesting. I'm wondering if anyone here is using it with their K3 and if so, what did you find was the best way to connect it to the K3? I have both the internal Realtek soundcard built into the PC motherboard and I have a E-MU USB soundcard which has XLR 1/4 inputs for left right. There's optical S/PDIF inputs as well but the K3 doesn't have those outputs. Thanks, Gary KA1J __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] CW Skimmer K3
If you use an sdr-iq with the K3 CWS will decode up to 190 kHz I believe. Greg On Nov 27, 2012 9:33 PM, David Gilbert xda...@cis-broadband.com wrote: CW Skimmer is indeed a pretty cool piece of software, but it doesn't work like that. Unless you also have some sort of SDR front end, all you'll be able to get with CW Skimmer is a display of the audio passband. For a display of stations outside that passband you need an additional piece of hardware that takes the IF out from the K3 and processes it so that it can be handled by your sound card and CW Skimmer. Even then, CW Skimmer has a limitation in IF mode that restricts what you see to something like +/- 12 KHz. Even if you decide to go with something else, there's a lot of good information on the LP-Pan website. Dave AB7E On 11/27/2012 10:19 PM, Gary Smith wrote: I'm always curious to try a new software I thought CW skimmer looks interesting. I'm wondering if anyone here is using it with their K3 and if so, what did you find was the best way to connect it to the K3? I have both the internal Realtek soundcard built into the PC motherboard and I have a E-MU USB soundcard which has XLR 1/4 inputs for left right. There's optical S/PDIF inputs as well but the K3 doesn't have those outputs. Thanks, Gary KA1J __**__**__ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/**mailman/listinfo/elecrafthttp://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.**htmhttp://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:elecr...@mailman.qth.**net Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __**__**__ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/**mailman/listinfo/elecrafthttp://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.**htmhttp://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:elecr...@mailman.qth.**net Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] CW Skimmer K3
Ah, I'd never heard of sdr-iq but I just looked for info on it and for a $500 price tag, I'm not interested. The limitation of +/- 12 KHz with an additional piece of hardware doesn't thrill me either. To just have the audio be worked with has for me no practical function so I won't bother. I've heard the K3 described as a SDR radio and thought the needed outputs would be readily available. Apples oranges I guess. That's what I needed to know thanks. Now back to DX Gary KA1J If you use an sdr-iq with the K3 CWS will decode up to 190 kHz I believe. Greg On Nov 27, 2012 9:33 PM, David Gilbert xda...@cis-broadband.com wrote: CW Skimmer is indeed a pretty cool piece of software, but it doesn't work like that. Unless you also have some sort of SDR front end, all you'll be able to get with CW Skimmer is a display of the audio passband. For a display of stations outside that passband you need an additional piece of hardware that takes the IF out from the K3 and processes it so that it can be handled by your sound card and CW Skimmer. Even then, CW Skimmer has a limitation in IF mode that restricts what you see to something like +/- 12 KHz. Even if you decide to go with something else, there's a lot of good information on the LP-Pan website. Dave AB7E On 11/27/2012 10:19 PM, Gary Smith wrote: I'm always curious to try a new software I thought CW skimmer looks interesting. I'm wondering if anyone here is using it with their K3 and if so, what did you find was the best way to connect it to the K3? I have both the internal Realtek soundcard built into the PC motherboard and I have a E-MU USB soundcard which has XLR 1/4 inputs for left right. There's optical S/PDIF inputs as well but the K3 doesn't have those outputs. Thanks, Gary KA1J __**__**__ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/**mailman/listinfo/elecrafthttp://mailman.q th.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.**htmhttp://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:elecr...@mailman.qth.**net Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __**__**__ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/**mailman/listinfo/elecrafthttp://mailman.qt h.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.**htmhttp://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:elecr...@mailman.qth.**net Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] CW Skimmer K3
Yes ... but then it isn't operating in IF Mode. The difference is explained in the CW Skimmer documentation. Plus, an SDR-IQ costs in the vicinity of $500 so it isn't at all like simply connecting the K3 to a soundcard. Dave AB7E On 11/27/2012 10:38 PM, Greg wrote: If you use an sdr-iq with the K3 CWS will decode up to 190 kHz I believe. Greg On Nov 27, 2012 9:33 PM, David Gilbert xda...@cis-broadband.com mailto:xda...@cis-broadband.com wrote: CW Skimmer is indeed a pretty cool piece of software, but it doesn't work like that. Unless you also have some sort of SDR front end, all you'll be able to get with CW Skimmer is a display of the audio passband. For a display of stations outside that passband you need an additional piece of hardware that takes the IF out from the K3 and processes it so that it can be handled by your sound card and CW Skimmer. Even then, CW Skimmer has a limitation in IF mode that restricts what you see to something like +/- 12 KHz. Even if you decide to go with something else, there's a lot of good information on the LP-Pan website. Dave AB7E On 11/27/2012 10:19 PM, Gary Smith wrote: I'm always curious to try a new software I thought CW skimmer looks interesting. I'm wondering if anyone here is using it with their K3 and if so, what did you find was the best way to connect it to the K3? I have both the internal Realtek soundcard built into the PC motherboard and I have a E-MU USB soundcard which has XLR 1/4 inputs for left right. There's optical S/PDIF inputs as well but the K3 doesn't have those outputs. Thanks, Gary KA1J __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
