Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: K3 Microphone Choices
The same could be said be said about buying a loaded K3/P3 SVGA for $5500+ instead of an IC-718 for $700 both radios? Myself I prefer a better quality of radio, mic and microHAM equipment over Signalink. I hate to have a weak link in an otherwise good station and then quality comes into the picture plastic vs. metal. That said I do have several "plastic mic's in the shack 2 Elecraft/Heil headsets and 2 Elecraft hand mic's K2/KX3. Quality is remembered long after the price is forgotten. Fred/N0AZZ -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Arthur Nienhouse Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 1:13 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: K3 Microphone Choices Five years ago I purchased a ATR-30 from J&R for $22.00 it came with a 16ft XLR 3 pin cable when I A/B tested against my Gold Line Heil the only difference was the price my advice is use the EQ save you money do not purchase the Heil. http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/1540 Regards Art ka9zap Original Message Subject:[Elecraft] K3 Microphone Choices Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 19:28:38 -0500 (CDT) From: pastor...@verizon.net To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Good evening. I have a K3 and really love it. I am looking at purchasing a new microphone pretty soon. I am currently using a Kenwood MC-60 and I get excellent reports on my modulation. But I have been reading alot about the Heil microphones and was wondering what Heil microphone would work good with my system. I basically like to operate for DX though I do chat from time to time on some nets. Any recommendations would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!!! Mark KB3Z __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 2641/6169 - Release Date: 03/13/13 - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 2641/6169 - Release Date: 03/13/13 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: K3 Microphone Choices
Never a truer statement made Fred. Gary - vk1zz Sent from my Galaxy SIII On 14/03/2013 8:52 PM, "Fred Smith" wrote: > The same could be said be said about buying a loaded K3/P3 SVGA for $5500+ > instead of an IC-718 for $700 both radios? > > Myself I prefer a better quality of radio, mic and microHAM equipment over > Signalink. I hate to have a weak link in an otherwise good station and then > quality comes into the picture plastic vs. metal. That said I do have > several "plastic mic's in the shack 2 Elecraft/Heil headsets and 2 Elecraft > hand mic's K2/KX3. > > Quality is remembered long after the price is forgotten. > > Fred/N0AZZ > > -Original Message- > From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net > [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Arthur Nienhouse > Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 1:13 AM > To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net > Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: K3 Microphone Choices > > Five years ago I purchased a ATR-30 from J&R for $22.00 it came with a 16ft > XLR 3 pin cable when I A/B tested against my Gold Line Heil the only > difference was the price my advice is use the EQ save you money do not > purchase the Heil. > http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/1540 > Regards > Art > ka9zap > > Original Message > Subject:[Elecraft] K3 Microphone Choices > Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 19:28:38 -0500 (CDT) > From: pastor...@verizon.net > To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > > > Good evening. I have a K3 and really love it. I am looking at purchasing > a > new microphone pretty soon. I am currently using a Kenwood MC-60 and I > get > excellent reports on my modulation. But I have been reading alot about the > Heil microphones and was wondering what Heil microphone would work good > with > my system. I basically like to operate for DX though I do chat from time > to > time on some nets. Any recommendations would be greatly appreciated. > Thanks!!! Mark KB3Z > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > > - > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 2641/6169 - Release Date: 03/13/13 > > - > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 2641/6169 - Release Date: 03/13/13 > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: K3 Microphone Choices
On 3/14/2013 6:52 AM, Fred Smith wrote: The same could be said be said about buying a loaded K3/P3 SVGA for $5500+ instead of an IC-718 for $700 both radios? This is a case of apples vs. oranges. There is less difference among microphones designed for voice work than there is among high end rigs. Yes, there are places for specialized microphones - if one is working from a distance (e.g., a "shotgun" mic), trying to mic a "kick" drum, or trying to duplicate the complex overtone structure of classical strings using a microphone designed for the job is essential. However, communications is one of the least demanding applications for a microphone and spending $200, $300 or even $400 is not going to provide any more performance than the $50 utility mic. In this area, one is paying for name and style not performance. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 3/14/2013 6:52 AM, Fred Smith wrote: The same could be said be said about buying a loaded K3/P3 SVGA for $5500+ instead of an IC-718 for $700 both radios? Myself I prefer a better quality of radio, mic and microHAM equipment over Signalink. I hate to have a weak link in an otherwise good station and then quality comes into the picture plastic vs. metal. That said I do have several "plastic mic's in the shack 2 Elecraft/Heil headsets and 2 Elecraft hand mic's K2/KX3. Quality is remembered long after the price is forgotten. Fred/N0AZZ -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Arthur Nienhouse Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 1:13 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: K3 Microphone Choices Five years ago I purchased a ATR-30 from J&R for $22.00 it came with a 16ft XLR 3 pin cable when I A/B tested against my Gold Line Heil the only difference was the price my advice is use the EQ save you money do not purchase the Heil. http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/1540 Regards Art ka9zap Original Message Subject:[Elecraft] K3 Microphone Choices Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 19:28:38 -0500 (CDT) From: pastor...@verizon.net To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Good evening. I have a K3 and really love it. I am looking at purchasing a new microphone pretty soon. I am currently using a Kenwood MC-60 and I get excellent reports on my modulation. But I have been reading alot about the Heil microphones and was wondering what Heil microphone would work good with my system. I basically like to operate for DX though I do chat from time to time on some nets. Any recommendations would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!!! Mark KB3Z __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 2641/6169 - Release Date: 03/13/13 - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 2641/6169 - Release Date: 03/13/13 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: K3 Microphone Choices
Joe you left out one important thing "Quality" I hate junk no matter what it is. I learned that years ago I was too poor to buy cheap it cost too much in the long run that applied to my businesses as well as personal purchases. Each to his own. Fred/N0AZZ -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Joe Subich, W4TV Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 7:49 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: K3 Microphone Choices On 3/14/2013 6:52 AM, Fred Smith wrote: > The same could be said be said about buying a loaded K3/P3 SVGA for > $5500+ instead of an IC-718 for $700 both radios? This is a case of apples vs. oranges. There is less difference among microphones designed for voice work than there is among high end rigs. Yes, there are places for specialized microphones - if one is working from a distance (e.g., a "shotgun" mic), trying to mic a "kick" drum, or trying to duplicate the complex overtone structure of classical strings using a microphone designed for the job is essential. However, communications is one of the least demanding applications for a microphone and spending $200, $300 or even $400 is not going to provide any more performance than the $50 utility mic. In this area, one is paying for name and style not performance. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 3/14/2013 6:52 AM, Fred Smith wrote: > The same could be said be said about buying a loaded K3/P3 SVGA for > $5500+ instead of an IC-718 for $700 both radios? > > Myself I prefer a better quality of radio, mic and microHAM equipment > over Signalink. I hate to have a weak link in an otherwise good > station and then quality comes into the picture plastic vs. metal. > That said I do have several "plastic mic's in the shack 2 > Elecraft/Heil headsets and 2 Elecraft hand mic's K2/KX3. > > Quality is remembered long after the price is forgotten. > > Fred/N0AZZ > > -Original Message- > From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net > [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Arthur > Nienhouse > Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 1:13 AM > To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net > Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: K3 Microphone Choices > > Five years ago I purchased a ATR-30 from J&R for $22.00 it came with a > 16ft XLR 3 pin cable when I A/B tested against my Gold Line Heil the > only difference was the price my advice is use the EQ save you money > do not purchase the Heil. > http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/1540 > Regards > Art > ka9zap > > Original Message > Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Microphone Choices > Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 19:28:38 -0500 (CDT) > From: pastor...@verizon.net > To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > > > Good evening. I have a K3 and really love it. I am looking at > purchasing a new microphone pretty soon. I am currently using a > Kenwood MC-60 and I get excellent reports on my modulation. But I > have been reading alot about the Heil microphones and was wondering > what Heil microphone would work good with my system. I basically like > to operate for DX though I do chat from time to time on some nets. Any recommendations would be greatly appreciated. > Thanks!!! Mark KB3Z > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > > - > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 2641/6169 - Release Date: > 03/13/13 > > - > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 2641/6169 - Release Date: > 03/13/13 > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > __ Elecraft mailing list H
Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: K3 Microphone Choices
Given my experience with the Heil Pro-set with HC-4/HC-5 element vs. the Yamaha CM-500, I'm not going to put Heil in the "quality" or "support" camps. If you want to compare Heil to a $5.00 "tape recorder" mic, you may have a "quality" argument. However, there are enough solid, well made professional microphones in the sub-$100 class that one does not need to spend $300 or even $200 for the Heil name. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 3/14/2013 8:59 AM, Fred Smith wrote: Joe you left out one important thing "Quality" I hate junk no matter what it is. I learned that years ago I was too poor to buy cheap it cost too much in the long run that applied to my businesses as well as personal purchases. Each to his own. Fred/N0AZZ -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Joe Subich, W4TV Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 7:49 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: K3 Microphone Choices On 3/14/2013 6:52 AM, Fred Smith wrote: The same could be said be said about buying a loaded K3/P3 SVGA for $5500+ instead of an IC-718 for $700 both radios? This is a case of apples vs. oranges. There is less difference among microphones designed for voice work than there is among high end rigs. Yes, there are places for specialized microphones - if one is working from a distance (e.g., a "shotgun" mic), trying to mic a "kick" drum, or trying to duplicate the complex overtone structure of classical strings using a microphone designed for the job is essential. However, communications is one of the least demanding applications for a microphone and spending $200, $300 or even $400 is not going to provide any more performance than the $50 utility mic. In this area, one is paying for name and style not performance. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 3/14/2013 6:52 AM, Fred Smith wrote: The same could be said be said about buying a loaded K3/P3 SVGA for $5500+ instead of an IC-718 for $700 both radios? Myself I prefer a better quality of radio, mic and microHAM equipment over Signalink. I hate to have a weak link in an otherwise good station and then quality comes into the picture plastic vs. metal. That said I do have several "plastic mic's in the shack 2 Elecraft/Heil headsets and 2 Elecraft hand mic's K2/KX3. Quality is remembered long after the price is forgotten. Fred/N0AZZ -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Arthur Nienhouse Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 1:13 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: K3 Microphone Choices Five years ago I purchased a ATR-30 from J&R for $22.00 it came with a 16ft XLR 3 pin cable when I A/B tested against my Gold Line Heil the only difference was the price my advice is use the EQ save you money do not purchase the Heil. http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/1540 Regards Art ka9zap Original Message Subject:[Elecraft] K3 Microphone Choices Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 19:28:38 -0500 (CDT) From: pastor...@verizon.net To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Good evening. I have a K3 and really love it. I am looking at purchasing a new microphone pretty soon. I am currently using a Kenwood MC-60 and I get excellent reports on my modulation. But I have been reading alot about the Heil microphones and was wondering what Heil microphone would work good with my system. I basically like to operate for DX though I do chat from time to time on some nets. Any recommendations would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!!! Mark KB3Z __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 2641/6169 - Release Date: 03/13/13 - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 2641/6169 - Release Date: 03/13/13 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html _
Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: K3 Microphone Choices
The DX Store sells the PR781 Heil microphone for $139. Plan to add that to my portfolio of microphones which include a Yamaha headset, two Heil headsets and a mini portable Heil microphone. I have been using the Yamaha and Heil portable microphone lately. Get good audio reports from both. Saw that the DX Store had the PR781 and seems to be a good price. Keith AK6ZZ Sent from my iPhone please excuse typos On Mar 14, 2013, at 6:35 AM, "Joe Subich, W4TV" wrote: > > Given my experience with the Heil Pro-set with HC-4/HC-5 element vs. > the Yamaha CM-500, I'm not going to put Heil in the "quality" or > "support" camps. > > If you want to compare Heil to a $5.00 "tape recorder" mic, you may > have a "quality" argument. However, there are enough solid, well made > professional microphones in the sub-$100 class that one does not need > to spend $300 or even $200 for the Heil name. > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > > On 3/14/2013 8:59 AM, Fred Smith wrote: >> Joe you left out one important thing "Quality" I hate junk no matter what it >> is. I learned that years ago I was too poor to buy cheap it cost too much in >> the long run that applied to my businesses as well as personal purchases. >> >> Each to his own. >> >> Fred/N0AZZ >> >> -Original Message- >> From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net >> [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Joe Subich, W4TV >> Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 7:49 AM >> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: K3 Microphone Choices >> >> >> On 3/14/2013 6:52 AM, Fred Smith wrote: >>> The same could be said be said about buying a loaded K3/P3 SVGA for >>> $5500+ instead of an IC-718 for $700 both radios? >> >> This is a case of apples vs. oranges. There is less difference among >> microphones designed for voice work than there is among high end rigs. >> Yes, there are places for specialized microphones - if one is working from a >> distance (e.g., a "shotgun" mic), trying to mic a "kick" drum, or trying to >> duplicate the complex overtone structure of classical strings using a >> microphone designed for the job is essential. >> >> However, communications is one of the least demanding applications for a >> microphone and spending $200, $300 or even $400 is not going to provide any >> more performance than the $50 utility mic. In this area, one is paying for >> name and style not performance. >> >> 73, >> >> ... Joe, W4TV >> >> >> On 3/14/2013 6:52 AM, Fred Smith wrote: >>> The same could be said be said about buying a loaded K3/P3 SVGA for >>> $5500+ instead of an IC-718 for $700 both radios? >>> >>> Myself I prefer a better quality of radio, mic and microHAM equipment >>> over Signalink. I hate to have a weak link in an otherwise good >>> station and then quality comes into the picture plastic vs. metal. >>> That said I do have several "plastic mic's in the shack 2 >>> Elecraft/Heil headsets and 2 Elecraft hand mic's K2/KX3. >>> >>> Quality is remembered long after the price is forgotten. >>> >>> Fred/N0AZZ >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net >>> [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Arthur >>> Nienhouse >>> Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 1:13 AM >>> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net >>> Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: K3 Microphone Choices >>> >>> Five years ago I purchased a ATR-30 from J&R for $22.00 it came with a >>> 16ft XLR 3 pin cable when I A/B tested against my Gold Line Heil the >>> only difference was the price my advice is use the EQ save you money >>> do not purchase the Heil. >>> http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/1540 >>> Regards >>> Art >>> ka9zap >>> >>> Original Message >>> Subject:[Elecraft] K3 Microphone Choices >>> Date:Wed, 13 Mar 2013 19:28:38 -0500 (CDT) >>> From:pastor...@verizon.net >>> To:elecraft@mailman.qth.net >>> >>> >>> >>> Good evening. I have a K3 and really love it. I am looking at >>> purchasing a new microphone pretty soon. I am currently using a >>> Kenwood MC-60 and I get excellent reports on my modulation. But I >>> have been reading alot about the Heil microphones and was wondering >>> what Heil microphone wou
Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: K3 Microphone Choices
Joe, you are overlooking one thing. >>> trying to duplicate the complex overtone structure of classical strings using a microphone designed for the job is essential. <<< There is nothing more complex in overtones than the Human Voice. Period. I wonder why Electrovoice mic, both the EV 20 and the EV 27 are known throughout the Broadcast Industry. BTW, Amateur Radio and Commercial Broadcasting has one thing in common. They are both reproducing the Human Voice through a known (irrespective of bandwidth) medium. 73 Milverton > > From: Fred Smith >To: "'Joe Subich, W4TV'" ; elecraft@mailman.qth.net >Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 7:59 AM >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: K3 Microphone Choices > >Joe you left out one important thing "Quality" I hate junk no matter what it >is. I learned that years ago I was too poor to buy cheap it cost too much in >the long run that applied to my businesses as well as personal purchases. > >Each to his own. > >Fred/N0AZZ > >-Original Message- >From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net >[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Joe Subich, W4TV >Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 7:49 AM >To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: K3 Microphone Choices > > >On 3/14/2013 6:52 AM, Fred Smith wrote: >> The same could be said be said about buying a loaded K3/P3 SVGA for >> $5500+ instead of an IC-718 for $700 both radios? > >This is a case of apples vs. oranges. There is less difference among >microphones designed for voice work than there is among high end rigs. >Yes, there are places for specialized microphones - if one is working from a >distance (e.g., a "shotgun" mic), trying to mic a "kick" drum, or trying to >duplicate the complex overtone structure of classical strings using a >microphone designed for the job is essential. > >However, communications is one of the least demanding applications for a >microphone and spending $200, $300 or even $400 is not going to provide any >more performance than the $50 utility mic. In this area, one is paying for >name and style not performance. > >73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > >On 3/14/2013 6:52 AM, Fred Smith wrote: >> The same could be said be said about buying a loaded K3/P3 SVGA for >> $5500+ instead of an IC-718 for $700 both radios? >> >> Myself I prefer a better quality of radio, mic and microHAM equipment >> over Signalink. I hate to have a weak link in an otherwise good >> station and then quality comes into the picture plastic vs. metal. >> That said I do have several "plastic mic's in the shack 2 >> Elecraft/Heil headsets and 2 Elecraft hand mic's K2/KX3. >> >> Quality is remembered long after the price is forgotten. >> >> Fred/N0AZZ >> >> -Original Message- >> From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net >> [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Arthur >> Nienhouse >> Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 1:13 AM >> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: K3 Microphone Choices >> >> Five years ago I purchased a ATR-30 from J&R for $22.00 it came with a >> 16ft XLR 3 pin cable when I A/B tested against my Gold Line Heil the >> only difference was the price my advice is use the EQ save you money >> do not purchase the Heil. >> http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/1540 >> Regards >> Art >> ka9zap >> >> Original Message >> Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Microphone Choices >> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 19:28:38 -0500 (CDT) >> From: pastor...@verizon.net >> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> >> >> >> Good evening. I have a K3 and really love it. I am looking at >> purchasing a new microphone pretty soon. I am currently using a >> Kenwood MC-60 and I get excellent reports on my modulation. But I >> have been reading alot about the Heil microphones and was wondering >> what Heil microphone would work good with my system. I basically like >> to operate for DX though I do chat from time to time on some nets. Any >recommendations would be greatly appreciated. >> Thanks!!! Mark KB3Z >> __ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email >> list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> >> >
Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: K3 Microphone Choices
Of course that matters for broadcast AM or FM, but ... When you cut off the frequencies at 3 KHz, you cut off almost all those overtones. If SSB is even a tiny bit mis-tuned, all the overtones are also out of tune. Cheap electret mics are quite good. Once you pay enough for decent build quality, they are all the same for communications purposes. They have limitations, but those just don't matter for communications (only 80 dB SNR, uneven high frequency response, compression with high dynamic range). wunder K6WRU On Mar 14, 2013, at 7:04 AM, tnny...@yahoo.com wrote: > Joe, you are overlooking one thing. > >>>> trying to > duplicate the complex overtone structure of classical strings using a > microphone designed for the job is essential. <<< > > There is nothing more complex in overtones than the Human Voice. Period. > > I wonder why Electrovoice mic, both the EV 20 and the EV 27 are known > throughout the Broadcast Industry. > > BTW, Amateur Radio and Commercial Broadcasting has one thing in common. > They are both reproducing the Human Voice through a known (irrespective of > bandwidth) medium. > > 73 Milverton > > > > > >> >> From: Fred Smith >> To: "'Joe Subich, W4TV'" ; elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 7:59 AM >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: K3 Microphone Choices >> >> Joe you left out one important thing "Quality" I hate junk no matter what it >> is. I learned that years ago I was too poor to buy cheap it cost too much in >> the long run that applied to my businesses as well as personal purchases. >> >> Each to his own. >> >> Fred/N0AZZ >> >> -Original Message----- >> From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net >> [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Joe Subich, W4TV >> Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 7:49 AM >> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: K3 Microphone Choices >> >> >> On 3/14/2013 6:52 AM, Fred Smith wrote: >>> The same could be said be said about buying a loaded K3/P3 SVGA for >>> $5500+ instead of an IC-718 for $700 both radios? >> >> This is a case of apples vs. oranges. There is less difference among >> microphones designed for voice work than there is among high end rigs. >> Yes, there are places for specialized microphones - if one is working from a >> distance (e.g., a "shotgun" mic), trying to mic a "kick" drum, or trying to >> duplicate the complex overtone structure of classical strings using a >> microphone designed for the job is essential. >> >> However, communications is one of the least demanding applications for a >> microphone and spending $200, $300 or even $400 is not going to provide any >> more performance than the $50 utility mic. In this area, one is paying for >> name and style not performance. >> >> 73, >> >> ... Joe, W4TV >> >> >> On 3/14/2013 6:52 AM, Fred Smith wrote: >>> The same could be said be said about buying a loaded K3/P3 SVGA for >>> $5500+ instead of an IC-718 for $700 both radios? >>> >>> Myself I prefer a better quality of radio, mic and microHAM equipment >>> over Signalink. I hate to have a weak link in an otherwise good >>> station and then quality comes into the picture plastic vs. metal. >>> That said I do have several "plastic mic's in the shack 2 >>> Elecraft/Heil headsets and 2 Elecraft hand mic's K2/KX3. >>> >>> Quality is remembered long after the price is forgotten. >>> >>> Fred/N0AZZ >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net >>> [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Arthur >>> Nienhouse >>> Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 1:13 AM >>> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net >>> Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: K3 Microphone Choices >>> >>> Five years ago I purchased a ATR-30 from J&R for $22.00 it came with a >>> 16ft XLR 3 pin cable when I A/B tested against my Gold Line Heil the >>> only difference was the price my advice is use the EQ save you money >>> do not purchase the Heil. >>> http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/1540 >>> Regards >>> Art >>> ka9zap >>> >>> Original Message >>> Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Microphone Choices >>> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 19:28:38 -0500 (CDT) >>> From: past
Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: K3 Microphone Choices
You, my friend, are the hypster's legal prey. There are many areas in life where price and quality are practically unrelated, and those who look for quality based primarily on price are either ignorant or too lazy to do the research. Even the "plastic vs metal" criteria doesn't hold up in the real world, and when dozens of people point out the incongruity of spending $150 for a Heil mic that is no better (and probably worse) than something that can be had for $50 or less, the wise would pay attention. A $20 electret computer microphone will sound and function every bit as a Heil when properly set up with the K3. "The same could be said be said about buying a loaded K3/P3 SVGA for $5500+ instead of an IC-718 for $700 both radios?" Or maybe the same could be said about spending $12,500 for an IC-7800 instead of $5,500 for a loaded K3/P3. Oh wait ... A $900 toilet seat is still just a toilet seat. Dave AB7E On 3/14/2013 3:52 AM, Fred Smith wrote: The same could be said be said about buying a loaded K3/P3 SVGA for $5500+ instead of an IC-718 for $700 both radios? Myself I prefer a better quality of radio, mic and microHAM equipment over Signalink. I hate to have a weak link in an otherwise good station and then quality comes into the picture plastic vs. metal. That said I do have several "plastic mic's in the shack 2 Elecraft/Heil headsets and 2 Elecraft hand mic's K2/KX3. Quality is remembered long after the price is forgotten. Fred/N0AZZ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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Let's end this thread now in the interest of keeping list volume under control. 73, Eric List Moderator, from time to time.. elecraft.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: K3 Microphone Choices
You buy your junk and I'll buy mine. You're a funny guy 8>) Fred/N0AZZ -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of David Gilbert Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 12:31 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: K3 Microphone Choices You, my friend, are the hypster's legal prey. There are many areas in life where price and quality are practically unrelated, and those who look for quality based primarily on price are either ignorant or too lazy to do the research. Even the "plastic vs metal" criteria doesn't hold up in the real world, and when dozens of people point out the incongruity of spending $150 for a Heil mic that is no better (and probably worse) than something that can be had for $50 or less, the wise would pay attention. A $20 electret computer microphone will sound and function every bit as a Heil when properly set up with the K3. "The same could be said be said about buying a loaded K3/P3 SVGA for $5500+ instead of an IC-718 for $700 both radios?" Or maybe the same could be said about spending $12,500 for an IC-7800 instead of $5,500 for a loaded K3/P3. Oh wait ... A $900 toilet seat is still just a toilet seat. Dave AB7E On 3/14/2013 3:52 AM, Fred Smith wrote: > The same could be said be said about buying a loaded K3/P3 SVGA for > $5500+ instead of an IC-718 for $700 both radios? > > Myself I prefer a better quality of radio, mic and microHAM equipment > over Signalink. I hate to have a weak link in an otherwise good > station and then quality comes into the picture plastic vs. metal. > That said I do have several "plastic mic's in the shack 2 > Elecraft/Heil headsets and 2 Elecraft hand mic's K2/KX3. > > Quality is remembered long after the price is forgotten. > > Fred/N0AZZ > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 2641/6169 - Release Date: 03/13/13 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
