Re: [Elecraft] K2 Tuning knob resistance too tight.

2009-08-08 Thread David Lankshear
I too was concerned when the tuning knob of my K2 #5551 was stiff, even without 
a felt washer or two.  The encoder shaft was very carefully scrutinised and no 
errant fibres were visible.

It was with reluctace I requested a replacement encoder, because I believe it's 
an expensive component, but Elecraft speedily provided one without hesitation.  
Wow!  What a difference that made!

At the time I offered to return the stiff encoder to Elecraft for examination, 
but they declined.  I still have the stiff encoder and the offer of its return 
to Elecraft still stands.

Great radio and outstanding backup.  

73 DaveL  G3TJP

K2/100 #5551
K3/100 #1122

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Re: [Elecraft] K2 Tuning knob resistance to tight

2009-08-07 Thread Tom Campie
Sam, loosen the screws in the knob, pull it away from the face a bit
and re-tighten.  The resistance is set by the felt washer behind it.
 If that doesn't fix your problem, you have something else going on
that I don't know about.

Good Luck
73
Tom
W0EA

On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 7:42 AM, Sam Morganka5...@gmail.com wrote:
 I have been mainly using HRD and PowerSDR/IF to tune my K2 the last few 
 months.
 This morning I reached over to tweak a signal and found the resistance on the
 main tuning know was really tight. I use to be able to use the edge of my 
 finger
 and almost spin the dial it was so free, but now it's so tight that is no even
 possible.

 Is there an adjustment for this, a reason it may have happened? I fear 
 something
 is in the process of breaking?
 --
 GB  73
 KA5OAI
 Sam Morgan
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Re: [Elecraft] K2 Tuning knob resistance to tight

2009-08-07 Thread Don Wilhelm
Sam,

That happens when some of the fuzz 'strings' from the felt washer gets 
caught up in the slot on the encoder shaft.
Try to get it out with the tip of a knife or a needle, and believe me, 
it is not an easy task.  Worst case, if you can't get it out, you may 
have to replace the encoder.  Use a new felt washer in any case.

73,
Don W3FPR

Sam Morgan wrote:
 I have been mainly using HRD and PowerSDR/IF to tune my K2 the last few 
 months. 
 This morning I reached over to tweak a signal and found the resistance on the 
 main tuning know was really tight. I use to be able to use the edge of my 
 finger 
 and almost spin the dial it was so free, but now it's so tight that is no 
 even 
 possible.

 Is there an adjustment for this, a reason it may have happened? I fear 
 something 
 is in the process of breaking?
   
   
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Re: [Elecraft] K2 Tuning knob resistance to tight

2009-08-07 Thread Sam Morgan
Don Wilhelm wrote:
 Sam,
 
 That happens when some of the fuzz 'strings' from the felt washer gets caught
 up in the slot on the encoder shaft. Try to get it out with the tip of a
 knife or a needle, and believe me, it is not an easy task.  Worst case, if
 you can't get it out, you may have to replace the encoder.  Use a new felt
 washer in any case.
 
Thanks Don, I had been looking at the archives for a while, and about the time
you sent your reply, I had finally figured out the correct search term to use
and found that very thing about the felt washer.

Good news is I got a few of the fuzz strings out and the tension has freed up 
'some'. Bad news is it's not back to where it use to be.

But hey it's a lot better, guess some of the fiber strings were inside where I 
couldn't get them out. Maybe they will work themselves out in the future, I 
hope.

Thanks again for the K2 reply, now I can unsubscribe again. Can't cope with the,
'All K3 All the Time' aspect of the list. Shrug, yea you're right, I'm just 
jealous cause I can't afford one, oh well, maybe they will break up the lists 
some day and I can come back to stay.
-- 
GB  73
KA5OAI
Sam Morgan
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Re: [Elecraft] K2 Tuning knob resistance to tight

2009-08-07 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
I had that problem with my K2 9 years ago, and solved it by carefully
tweezing the hairs out. Not cutting them, but finding the end of one and
then turning the encoder shaft so it unwound and came out. Quite a job but
it restored the original free-wheeling encoder action.

Then I soaked the inside edge of that felt washer with superglue so it
wouldn't shed any more hairs into the mechanism. That made a hard
'fuzz-less' ring on the inside edge of the washer where it touches the
encoder shaft and bearing. No trouble since. 

Back then others reported great success replacing the felt washer with a
leather washer cut from an old belt or other scrap leather piece. No fuzz
and they said it provided great friction control.

Ron AC7AC



-Original Message-
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Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 6:29 AM
To: Sam Morgan
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K2 Tuning knob resistance to tight

Sam,

That happens when some of the fuzz 'strings' from the felt washer gets 
caught up in the slot on the encoder shaft.
Try to get it out with the tip of a knife or a needle, and believe me, 
it is not an easy task.  Worst case, if you can't get it out, you may 
have to replace the encoder.  Use a new felt washer in any case.

73,
Don W3FPR

Sam Morgan wrote:
 I have been mainly using HRD and PowerSDR/IF to tune my K2 the last few
months. 
 This morning I reached over to tweak a signal and found the resistance on
the 
 main tuning know was really tight. I use to be able to use the edge of my
finger 
 and almost spin the dial it was so free, but now it's so tight that is no
even 
 possible.

 Is there an adjustment for this, a reason it may have happened? I fear
something 
 is in the process of breaking?
   
   
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Re: [Elecraft] K2 Tuning knob resistance to tight

2009-08-07 Thread Gary Hinson
 Back then others reported great success replacing the felt 
 washer with a
 leather washer cut from an old belt or other scrap leather 
 piece. No fuzz
 and they said it provided great friction control.

Since the K3 uses similar felt washers for both VFOs, is it worth us
making this change now, even before we get the fuzzies, Ron?

73
Gary  ZL2iFB 

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Re: [Elecraft] K2 Tuning knob resistance to tight

2009-08-07 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
Good question, Gary. Back in 2000 when my K2's encoder froze up I thought
Uh, oh! This is going to be a big issue! but apparently very few K2 owners
had any trouble at all. I was one of the few to report the issue. This
report by Sam is the first comment I can recall seeing in years. I'm sure
that's why it's never become an action item for Elecraft. 

I have the stock felt washers in my K3 and have had no problems so far.
Since I help with the documentation, I try to keep my K3 absolutely
Elecraft stock so I'm experiencing exactly what everyone else with an out
of the box K3 experiences. I have not doctored the K3's felt washers in any
way. 

In off-line correspondence with Sam, I pointed out that that I did not cut
the threads I found stuck in the bearing,  but reasoned that if they were
pulled in by turning the knob, they would come out the same way. I gripped
the end of each thread with tweezers and turned the knob while pulling
gently. Each one slowly came out when I turned the shaft in the proper
direction. It was a bit tedious, but I ended up with a free-wheeling encoder
again. 

I'd recommend the same if anyone has the same problem.

If your encoder is jammed and you can't get the threads out, drop a line to
k3supp...@elecraft.com. After all, you have a world-class year-long
warranty! 

Ron AC7AC

-Original Message-

Since the K3 uses similar felt washers for both VFOs, is it worth us
making this change now, even before we get the fuzzies, Ron?

73
Gary  ZL2iFB 

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Re: [Elecraft] K2 Tuning knob resistance to tight

2009-08-07 Thread Don Wilhelm
Gary,

I have had the knob off many K2s, and only a few have a problem with the 
felt washer.  It seems if the felt washer is positioned around the nut 
on the shaft, it stays there, but if it falls down when the knob is 
placed on the shaft, then it may become a problem, or if the knob is 
positioned quite loose, it will be a problem.

The best technique to use when putting on the felt washer and the knob 
is to position the radio on its rear panel, position the felt washer and 
drop the knob onto the shaft and tighten the setscrews.  It seems that 
the weight of the knob itself provides enough tension on the felt washer 
to produce a very nice feel with the proper amount of drag for my tastes.

73,
Don W3FPR

Gary Hinson wrote:
 Back then others reported great success replacing the felt 
 washer with a
 leather washer cut from an old belt or other scrap leather 
 piece. No fuzz
 and they said it provided great friction control.
 

 Since the K3 uses similar felt washers for both VFOs, is it worth us
 making this change now, even before we get the fuzzies, Ron?

 73
 Gary  ZL2iFB 
   

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