Re: [Elecraft] K3 KPA500 Oper/Stby Alert
*Fred, Essentially I agree but it might be better if the K3 FW was switchable for those who wish to have the confirmation message? With regards to the anomalies you mention, I thought I was seeing things but you just confirmed that it really does happen. Put me on the 'Agree' list but with the switchable option included. 73's Gary * On 1 June 2012 05:22, FredJensen k6...@foothill.net wrote: I'd like to see a K3 FW feature change. I'll back off if anyone believes it's a bad idea. CURRENT: Turning on the KPA500 scrolls a message in VFO B that I've just turned the KPA500 on. Actually, I knew that and didn't need the message. Mine is set to come up in STBY [also when I change bands]. When I go to OPER, another message scrolls in VFO B telling me that I just did that. I also knew that and didn't need the message. CHANGE: Replace both messages with one that tells me what the K3 power will be when I next tap the paddle [or talk]. I've got the two power levels for each band set, and most of the time it works. Occasionally, after adjusting the high power antenna tuner with just the K3 in TUNE [5W], going to OPER leaves the power at 5W. Once, it went to 100W which faults off the KPA500 instantly, of course. Occasionally, the K3 stays at low power when I go to STBY. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 2012 Cal QSO Party 6-7 Oct 2012 - www.cqp.org __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html -- Gary VK4FD - Motorhome Mobile Elecraft Equipment K3 #679, KPA-500 #018 KAT-500#?? Living the dream!!! __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 KPA500 Oper/Stby Alert
I really like that idea. I never quite trust the lower power setting of the K3 when the amplifier is put on-line and always manually check it to be sure it is where I hope it is. It would be *much* better for the K3 to display the new power setting instead of those unnecessary 'KPA ... ' messages just as Fred suggested. Don K7FJ snip CHANGE: Replace both messages with one that tells me what the K3 power will be when I next tap the paddle [or talk]. I've got the two power levels for each band set, and most of the time it works. Occasionally, after adjusting the high power antenna tuner with just the K3 in TUNE [5W], going to OPER leaves the power at 5W. Once, it went to 100W which faults off the KPA500 instantly, of course. Occasionally, the K3 stays at low power when I go to STBY. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 2012 Cal QSO Party 6-7 Oct 2012 - www.cqp.org __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 KPA500 Oper/Stby Alert
Fred/Gary, When you experience these power anomalies, do you see the KPA operate/bypass messages on the K3 or not? I realise that it's one of those cases where you don't know that you need to pay attention until it's too late . but then the same could be said for your proposed solution 73, ~iain / N6ML On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 1:05 PM, Gary Gregory garyvk...@gmail.com wrote: *Fred, Essentially I agree but it might be better if the K3 FW was switchable for those who wish to have the confirmation message? With regards to the anomalies you mention, I thought I was seeing things but you just confirmed that it really does happen. Put me on the 'Agree' list but with the switchable option included. 73's Gary * On 1 June 2012 05:22, FredJensen k6...@foothill.net wrote: I'd like to see a K3 FW feature change. I'll back off if anyone believes it's a bad idea. CURRENT: Turning on the KPA500 scrolls a message in VFO B that I've just turned the KPA500 on. Actually, I knew that and didn't need the message. Mine is set to come up in STBY [also when I change bands]. When I go to OPER, another message scrolls in VFO B telling me that I just did that. I also knew that and didn't need the message. CHANGE: Replace both messages with one that tells me what the K3 power will be when I next tap the paddle [or talk]. I've got the two power levels for each band set, and most of the time it works. Occasionally, after adjusting the high power antenna tuner with just the K3 in TUNE [5W], going to OPER leaves the power at 5W. Once, it went to 100W which faults off the KPA500 instantly, of course. Occasionally, the K3 stays at low power when I go to STBY. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 2012 Cal QSO Party 6-7 Oct 2012 - www.cqp.org __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html -- Gary VK4FD - Motorhome Mobile Elecraft Equipment K3 #679, KPA-500 #018 KAT-500#?? Living the dream!!! __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 KPA500 Oper/Stby Alert
U ... if I understand your question, yes. I've never seen a time that the OPERATE/STANDBY messages did not appear when I switch between OPER and STBY, regardless of whether I go to standby with the button or by changing bands. If it's in STBY and I change bands again, I get no message [or course]. The most prevalent anomaly is staying at 5W after using the K3 TUNE function. It's immediately apparent because I only get about 50W out of the KPA500 when I put it in OPER, and when I adjust the PWR setting, it is at 5W. It doesn't happen all the time. The second most prevalent is when I put the KPA500 in STBY and then find that the K3 power is still at 26W. Putting the KPA500 in OPER and having the K3 power stay at 100W has only happened once. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 2012 Cal QSO Party 6-7 Oct 2012 - www.cqp.org Anomaly is a term used by NASA to describe anything from a burned out panel lamp to the rocket ending up pointy-end down in the desert outside of Tucson. On 5/31/2012 9:21 PM, iain macdonnell - N6ML wrote: Fred/Gary, When you experience these power anomalies, do you see the KPA operate/bypass messages on the K3 or not? I realise that it's one of those cases where you don't know that you need to pay attention until it's too late . but then the same could be said for your proposed solution __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 KPA500 Oper/Stby Alert
*Iain, In my case, I did not notice any alert. I placed the kpa-500 in STBY and tuned the antenna first with the K3 and then when I went to OPER to check the tune, the kpa-500 worked as it should. When I transmitted the K3 had remained at 5W..it has done this several times of late. The second thing I have noticed is that sometimes and I cannot be certain why or what I have done, is that after a tune on the K3 I go to straight to OPER and keying the K3 results in a fault due to overdriving. Again it is not consistent and I am unable to repeat it on a regular basis. Having said this, it is not a 'common' occurrence here, just appears to be a random event. I have left myself a little note to make a list of what I did next time this happens with either anomalie. 73's Gary * On 1 June 2012 07:21, iain macdonnell - N6ML a...@dseven.org wrote: Fred/Gary, When you experience these power anomalies, do you see the KPA operate/bypass messages on the K3 or not? I realise that it's one of those cases where you don't know that you need to pay attention until it's too late . but then the same could be said for your proposed solution 73, ~iain / N6ML On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 1:05 PM, Gary Gregory garyvk...@gmail.com wrote: *Fred, Essentially I agree but it might be better if the K3 FW was switchable for those who wish to have the confirmation message? With regards to the anomalies you mention, I thought I was seeing things but you just confirmed that it really does happen. Put me on the 'Agree' list but with the switchable option included. 73's Gary * On 1 June 2012 05:22, FredJensen k6...@foothill.net wrote: I'd like to see a K3 FW feature change. I'll back off if anyone believes it's a bad idea. CURRENT: Turning on the KPA500 scrolls a message in VFO B that I've just turned the KPA500 on. Actually, I knew that and didn't need the message. Mine is set to come up in STBY [also when I change bands]. When I go to OPER, another message scrolls in VFO B telling me that I just did that. I also knew that and didn't need the message. CHANGE: Replace both messages with one that tells me what the K3 power will be when I next tap the paddle [or talk]. I've got the two power levels for each band set, and most of the time it works. Occasionally, after adjusting the high power antenna tuner with just the K3 in TUNE [5W], going to OPER leaves the power at 5W. Once, it went to 100W which faults off the KPA500 instantly, of course. Occasionally, the K3 stays at low power when I go to STBY. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 2012 Cal QSO Party 6-7 Oct 2012 - www.cqp.org __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html -- Gary VK4FD - Motorhome Mobile Elecraft Equipment K3 #679, KPA-500 #018 KAT-500#?? Living the dream!!! __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html -- Gary VK4FD - Motorhome Mobile Elecraft Equipment K3 #679, KPA-500 #018 KAT-500#?? Living the dream!!! __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 KPA500 Oper/Stby Alert
The change gets my vote. Good idea. 73 to all Geoff G3UCK -Original Message- From: FredJensen Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 8:22 PM CHANGE: Replace both messages with one that tells me what the K3 power will be when I next tap the paddle [or talk]. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 KPA500 Oper/Stby Alert
Interesting. I asked because failure of the message being displayed might suggest a flaky AUXBUS connection, where failure of the correct action being taken (following the message being displayed) suggests a K3 firmware bug. 73, ~iain / N6ML On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 2:40 PM, FredJensen k6...@foothill.net wrote: U ... if I understand your question, yes. I've never seen a time that the OPERATE/STANDBY messages did not appear when I switch between OPER and STBY, regardless of whether I go to standby with the button or by changing bands. If it's in STBY and I change bands again, I get no message [or course]. The most prevalent anomaly is staying at 5W after using the K3 TUNE function. It's immediately apparent because I only get about 50W out of the KPA500 when I put it in OPER, and when I adjust the PWR setting, it is at 5W. It doesn't happen all the time. The second most prevalent is when I put the KPA500 in STBY and then find that the K3 power is still at 26W. Putting the KPA500 in OPER and having the K3 power stay at 100W has only happened once. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 2012 Cal QSO Party 6-7 Oct 2012 - www.cqp.org Anomaly is a term used by NASA to describe anything from a burned out panel lamp to the rocket ending up pointy-end down in the desert outside of Tucson. On 5/31/2012 9:21 PM, iain macdonnell - N6ML wrote: Fred/Gary, When you experience these power anomalies, do you see the KPA operate/bypass messages on the K3 or not? I realise that it's one of those cases where you don't know that you need to pay attention until it's too late . but then the same could be said for your proposed solution __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 KPA500 Oper/Stby Alert
If we are voting, then I vote to leave it as is. I do not have a problem with the wrong power selection. I turn on the K3 before turning on the KPA500 turn off the KPA500 last during power down. I do like verifying the KPA500 status from the K3. I have not used the K3 tune function after installing the KPA500. If there is a FW issue when going to/from Tune mode, then document the issue as completely as possible with Elecraft service. They have fixed such issues in the past; usually very quickly. George AI4VZ -- From: Geoffrey Downs geoffre...@madasafish.com The change gets my vote. Good idea. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 KPA500 Oper/Stby Alert
*I agree. I will try and stay focused next time I see this happen. Like Fred stated, it does not happen often, but enough to cause you to think just before you slap your foreheadDOH! Gary * On 1 June 2012 08:05, iain macdonnell - N6ML a...@dseven.org wrote: Interesting. I asked because failure of the message being displayed might suggest a flaky AUXBUS connection, where failure of the correct action being taken (following the message being displayed) suggests a K3 firmware bug. 73, ~iain / N6ML On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 2:40 PM, FredJensen k6...@foothill.net wrote: U ... if I understand your question, yes. I've never seen a time that the OPERATE/STANDBY messages did not appear when I switch between OPER and STBY, regardless of whether I go to standby with the button or by changing bands. If it's in STBY and I change bands again, I get no message [or course]. The most prevalent anomaly is staying at 5W after using the K3 TUNE function. It's immediately apparent because I only get about 50W out of the KPA500 when I put it in OPER, and when I adjust the PWR setting, it is at 5W. It doesn't happen all the time. The second most prevalent is when I put the KPA500 in STBY and then find that the K3 power is still at 26W. Putting the KPA500 in OPER and having the K3 power stay at 100W has only happened once. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 2012 Cal QSO Party 6-7 Oct 2012 - www.cqp.org Anomaly is a term used by NASA to describe anything from a burned out panel lamp to the rocket ending up pointy-end down in the desert outside of Tucson. On 5/31/2012 9:21 PM, iain macdonnell - N6ML wrote: Fred/Gary, When you experience these power anomalies, do you see the KPA operate/bypass messages on the K3 or not? I realise that it's one of those cases where you don't know that you need to pay attention until it's too late . but then the same could be said for your proposed solution __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html -- Gary VK4FD - Motorhome Mobile Elecraft Equipment K3 #679, KPA-500 #018 KAT-500#?? Living the dream!!! __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 KPA500 Oper/Stby Alert
*The ability to be able to control what is displayed is one of the great features of the K3. This 'feature' for want of a better word would allow each operator to 'see' and 'confirm' what is happening if it was 'user selectable'. Before those who bemoan too much menu activity, please remember this would be a rarely used menu item that could only be accessed within the 'Config' menu for example. The one thing I think I can recall is that i do not remember seeing this issue with the Tune function prior to FW 4.51. I am not at all certain of this but I think this has only been a very recent occurrence? regards, Gary * On 1 June 2012 08:29, G Danner gdan...@windstream.net wrote: If we are voting, then I vote to leave it as is. I do not have a problem with the wrong power selection. I turn on the K3 before turning on the KPA500 turn off the KPA500 last during power down. I do like verifying the KPA500 status from the K3. I have not used the K3 tune function after installing the KPA500. If there is a FW issue when going to/from Tune mode, then document the issue as completely as possible with Elecraft service. They have fixed such issues in the past; usually very quickly. George AI4VZ -- From: Geoffrey Downs geoffre...@madasafish.com The change gets my vote. Good idea. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html -- Gary VK4FD - Motorhome Mobile Elecraft Equipment K3 #679, KPA-500 #018 KAT-500#?? Living the dream!!! __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 KPA500 Oper/Stby Alert
The most prevalent anomaly is staying at 5W after using the K3 TUNE function. It's immediately apparent because I only get about 50W out of the KPA500 when I put it in OPER, and when I adjust the PWR setting, it is at 5W. It doesn't happen all the time. The second most prevalent is when I put the KPA500 in STBY and then find that the K3 power is still at 26W. Putting the KPA500 in OPER and having the K3 power stay at 100W has only happened once.: I've never seen any of these problems - at least not since my early field testing. I use the TUNE feature of the K3 all the time as I have a remote autotuner (MFJ-998RT). Then I put the KPA on line. The K3 power always adjusts correctly depending on the KPA500 status. I think someone else suggested a flaky AUXBUS connection. That might be something to look at. Phil - AD5X __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 KPA500 Oper/Stby Alert
The amp will fault out if the radio puts out too much power. Unless you mess with the knobs while amp is in operate mode the power out is not going to magically change. Mike W0MU W0MU-1 CC Cluster w0mu.net:23 or w0mu-1.dnsdynamic.com Http://www.w0mu.com On 5/31/2012 2:08 PM, donehrl...@q.com wrote: I really like that idea. I never quite trust the lower power setting of the K3 when the amplifier is put on-line and always manually check it to be sure it is where I hope it is. It would be *much* better for the K3 to display the new power setting instead of those unnecessary 'KPA ... ' messages just as Fred suggested. Don K7FJ snip CHANGE: Replace both messages with one that tells me what the K3 power will be when I next tap the paddle [or talk]. I've got the two power levels for each band set, and most of the time it works. Occasionally, after adjusting the high power antenna tuner with just the K3 in TUNE [5W], going to OPER leaves the power at 5W. Once, it went to 100W which faults off the KPA500 instantly, of course. Occasionally, the K3 stays at low power when I go to STBY. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 2012 Cal QSO Party 6-7 Oct 2012 - www.cqp.org __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 KPA500 Oper/Stby Alert
On 5/31/2012 10:59 PM, Gary Gregory wrote: *The ability to be able to control what is displayed is one of the great features of the K3. This 'feature' for want of a better word would allow each operator to 'see' and 'confirm' what is happening if it was 'user selectable'. Gary has a very good point. Making it selectable shouldn't be all that hard [he who used to cringe when one of his users said that and he had to make it happen :-) ] Not everyone may like my suggestion. I suggest this would be a try it both ways, decide, and you probably wouldn't touch it again. The one thing I think I can recall is that i do not remember seeing this issue with the Tune function prior to FW 4.51. I am not at all certain of this but I think this has only been a very recent occurrence? I'm not real prompt in FW upgrades if it doesn't do something I care about. I was last on production v.4R48 before v.4R51, and it was doing it then too. Honestly, I *think* but don't *know* that it was doing it before I got the KPA500. I made a couple DX contacts and was then surprised I did it at 5W and not 100. I will get behind the rig, where one wonders why they call this wireless, find the right cable and re-seat it a couple of times. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 2012 Cal QSO Party 6-7 Oct 2012 - www.cqp.org __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 KPA500 Oper/Stby Alert
Please folks leave it alone, there are enough menu items to fiddle with as it is. My K3 is set for power per band into the KPA500, I also operate QRP CW at the 5 Watt level and I do not have a problem with the way the operate/standby works. 73 Dave, G4AON __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
