Re: [Elecraft] More precise pitch options?
Why not set it to 660Hz, which is a half-octave up from A? Er, maybe this is TOO high a pitch, but at least it should be close to dead-on to a real note on the keyboard... Should be right on top of E. 73, matt W6NIA On Sun, 11 Dec 2011 12:03:37 -0500, you wrote: >This probably is of little interest to most but I would like the >ability to fine tune the pitch in closer than 10 Hz increments. I'm a >musician and have for practical purposes, perfect pitch. I have my >pitch set at 590 which is the closest approximation to the proper >pitch for "D" (which is 587.33) When I have the pitch set to 590, I >know it's almost a "D" note but it's a bit disquieting at the same >time. > >A = 440 and while I can select this, it's low a tone to be pleasing >on CW. A pure note on the scale would be such a pleasure to hear, >much more psychoacousticly pleasing. > >Actual frequencies for all the individual notes are here: >http://www.piano-tuners.org/history/pitch.html > >Any way the powers that be might also allow an entry to pitch from >the keypad, like when we use it to select Rf frequency? > >Thanks, >Gary >KA1J >__ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] More precise pitch options?
> This probably is of little interest to most but I would like the > ability to fine tune the pitch in closer than 10 Hz increments. I'm a > musician and have for practical purposes, perfect pitch. Since A has varied considerably over the centuries, what musicians call "perfect pitch" is only so in relation to the modern A440 standard and only for one set of scales. The tones are different for other scales and other time periods. It's difficult to say B 489.95 (Vienna Opera, 1834) or A# 469.34 (Wolfels, 1835) is "wrong" given the variation in "standard pitch" as reported in the article you cite. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 12/11/2011 12:03 PM, Gary Smith wrote: > This probably is of little interest to most but I would like the > ability to fine tune the pitch in closer than 10 Hz increments. I'm a > musician and have for practical purposes, perfect pitch. I have my > pitch set at 590 which is the closest approximation to the proper > pitch for "D" (which is 587.33) When I have the pitch set to 590, I > know it's almost a "D" note but it's a bit disquieting at the same > time. > > A = 440 and while I can select this, it's low a tone to be pleasing > on CW. A pure note on the scale would be such a pleasure to hear, > much more psychoacousticly pleasing. > > Actual frequencies for all the individual notes are here: > http://www.piano-tuners.org/history/pitch.html > > Any way the powers that be might also allow an entry to pitch from > the keypad, like when we use it to select Rf frequency? > > Thanks, > Gary > KA1J > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] More precise pitch options?
Hi Joe, Yes, the definition pitch has been debated for years and music has been written specifically for instruments bearing different scales however, my request is to enter the sound I have come to identify as proper with the instruments I play. After 50 years of playing music and with seven CDs under my belt, I'm probably not going to find another pitch to sound correct. A manual pitch entry would be a benefit to me, not so much for the oft varied Rx pitch but for my ears when I'm transmitting over long periods. 73, Gary KA1J > > This probably is of little interest to most but I would like the > > ability to fine tune the pitch in closer than 10 Hz increments. I'm a > > musician and have for practical purposes, perfect pitch. > > Since A has varied considerably over the centuries, what musicians call > "perfect pitch" is only so in relation to the modern A440 standard and > only for one set of scales. The tones are different for other scales > and other time periods. > > It's difficult to say B 489.95 (Vienna Opera, 1834) or A# 469.34 > (Wolfels, 1835) is "wrong" given the variation in "standard pitch" > as reported in the article you cite. > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > > On 12/11/2011 12:03 PM, Gary Smith wrote: > > This probably is of little interest to most but I would like the > > ability to fine tune the pitch in closer than 10 Hz increments. I'm a > > musician and have for practical purposes, perfect pitch. I have my > > pitch set at 590 which is the closest approximation to the proper > > pitch for "D" (which is 587.33) When I have the pitch set to 590, I > > know it's almost a "D" note but it's a bit disquieting at the same > > time. > > > > A = 440 and while I can select this, it's low a tone to be pleasing > > on CW. A pure note on the scale would be such a pleasure to hear, > > much more psychoacousticly pleasing. > > > > Actual frequencies for all the individual notes are here: > > http://www.piano-tuners.org/history/pitch.html > > > > Any way the powers that be might also allow an entry to pitch from > > the keypad, like when we use it to select Rf frequency? > > > > Thanks, > > Gary > > KA1J > > __ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] More precise pitch options?
*smile* Garry, I feel your pain! I tend to tune stations to "exact" pitches and just get my side-tone "close enough". My K2 is presently singing a slightly sharp Bb at 470hz. The whole bleedin' world is out of tune, so I usually just suffer, but I would do a little happy dance if I could tune the side-tone more precisely :). Of course, even those of us with perfect pitch have to deal with the fact that, like Heisenberg, you can't have perfect pitch and perfect tuning at the same time. I'm always asking folks to sing individual pitches a bit higher or lower than the piano to get the chords to lock! -kb7psg On Sun, 11 Dec 2011, Gary Smith wrote: > This probably is of little interest to most but I would like the > ability to fine tune the pitch in closer than 10 Hz increments. I'm a > musician and have for practical purposes, perfect pitch. I have my > pitch set at 590 which is the closest approximation to the proper > pitch for "D" (which is 587.33) When I have the pitch set to 590, I > know it's almost a "D" note but it's a bit disquieting at the same > time. > > A = 440 and while I can select this, it's low a tone to be pleasing > on CW. A pure note on the scale would be such a pleasure to hear, > much more psychoacousticly pleasing. > > Actual frequencies for all the individual notes are here: > http://www.piano-tuners.org/history/pitch.html > > Any way the powers that be might also allow an entry to pitch from > the keypad, like when we use it to select Rf frequency? > > Thanks, > Gary > KA1J > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] More precise pitch options?
Aren't we getting just the least bit pampered and trivial? The tale of the Princess and the Pea comes to mind. I'd like an option for a leather-bound case and front panel, so I could stroke it and have the feel of leather. I miss the feel of leather. 73, Guy. On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 2:20 PM, Jessie Oberreuter < joberreu-elecr...@moselle.com> wrote: > > *smile* > > Garry, I feel your pain! I tend to tune stations to "exact" pitches > and just get my side-tone "close enough". My K2 is presently singing a > slightly sharp Bb at 470hz. The whole bleedin' world is out of tune, so I > usually just suffer, but I would do a little happy dance if I could tune > the side-tone more precisely :). > > Of course, even those of us with perfect pitch have to deal with the > fact that, like Heisenberg, you can't have perfect pitch and perfect > tuning at the same time. I'm always asking folks to sing individual > pitches a bit higher or lower than the piano to get the chords to lock! > > -kb7psg > > > On Sun, 11 Dec 2011, Gary Smith wrote: > > > This probably is of little interest to most but I would like the > > ability to fine tune the pitch in closer than 10 Hz increments. I'm a > > musician and have for practical purposes, perfect pitch. I have my > > pitch set at 590 which is the closest approximation to the proper > > pitch for "D" (which is 587.33) When I have the pitch set to 590, I > > know it's almost a "D" note but it's a bit disquieting at the same > > time. > > > > A = 440 and while I can select this, it's low a tone to be pleasing > > on CW. A pure note on the scale would be such a pleasure to hear, > > much more psychoacousticly pleasing. > > > > Actual frequencies for all the individual notes are here: > > http://www.piano-tuners.org/history/pitch.html > > > > Any way the powers that be might also allow an entry to pitch from > > the keypad, like when we use it to select Rf frequency? > > > > Thanks, > > Gary > > KA1J > > __ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] More precise pitch options?
Hi Gary, I use F# at 740.0. Maybe that's too high for you? 73, Oliver W6ODJ On Dec 11, 2011, at 9:03 AM, Gary Smith wrote: > This probably is of little interest to most but I would like the > ability to fine tune the pitch in closer than 10 Hz increments. I'm a > musician and have for practical purposes, perfect pitch. I have my > pitch set at 590 which is the closest approximation to the proper > pitch for "D" (which is 587.33) When I have the pitch set to 590, I > know it's almost a "D" note but it's a bit disquieting at the same > time. > > A = 440 and while I can select this, it's low a tone to be pleasing > on CW. A pure note on the scale would be such a pleasure to hear, > much more psychoacousticly pleasing. > > Actual frequencies for all the individual notes are here: > http://www.piano-tuners.org/history/pitch.html > > Any way the powers that be might also allow an entry to pitch from > the keypad, like when we use it to select Rf frequency? > > Thanks, > Gary > KA1J > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] More precise pitch options?
No. If it's good enough for me, it's good enough for you comes to mind. 73, Gary > > > Aren't we getting just the least bit pampered and trivial? The > tale of the > > Princess and the Pea comes to mind. > > > > I'd like an option for a leather-bound case and front panel, so I could > > stroke it and have the feel of leather. I miss the feel of leather. > > > > 73, Guy. > > > > On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 2:20 PM, Jessie Oberreuter < > > joberreu-elecr...@moselle.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > *smile* > > > > > > Garry, I feel your pain! I tend to tune stations to "exact" pitches > > > and just get my side-tone "close enough". My K2 is presently singing a > > > slightly sharp Bb at 470hz. The whole bleedin' world is out of tune, so I > > > usually just suffer, but I would do a little happy dance if I could tune > > > the side-tone more precisely :). > > > > > > Of course, even those of us with perfect pitch have to deal with the > > > fact that, like Heisenberg, you can't have perfect pitch and perfect > > > tuning at the same time. I'm always asking folks to sing individual > > > pitches a bit higher or lower than the piano to get the chords to lock! > > > > > > -kb7psg > > > > > > > > > On Sun, 11 Dec 2011, Gary Smith wrote: > > > > > > > This probably is of little interest to most but I would like the > > > > ability to fine tune the pitch in closer than 10 Hz increments. I'm a > > > > musician and have for practical purposes, perfect pitch. I have my > > > > pitch set at 590 which is the closest approximation to the proper > > > > pitch for "D" (which is 587.33) When I have the pitch set to 590, I > > > > know it's almost a "D" note but it's a bit disquieting at the same > > > > time. > > > > > > > > A = 440 and while I can select this, it's low a tone to be pleasing > > > > on CW. A pure note on the scale would be such a pleasure to hear, > > > > much more psychoacousticly pleasing. > > > > > > > > Actual frequencies for all the individual notes are here: > > > > http://www.piano-tuners.org/history/pitch.html > > > > > > > > Any way the powers that be might also allow an entry to pitch from > > > > the keypad, like when we use it to select Rf frequency? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Gary > > > > KA1J > > > > __ > > > > Elecraft mailing list > > > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > > > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > > > > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > > > > > > __ > > > Elecraft mailing list > > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > > > > > > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] More precise pitch options?
> > A = 440 and while I can select this, it's low a tone to be pleasing > on CW. A pure note on the scale would be such a pleasure to hear, > much more psychoacousticly pleasing. But an instrument tuned to A440 is just one of many possible tunings. There's nothing inherently "pure" about any note on the common scale. I suppose an organ in Silberman or Mean Tone (some comma) temperaments with A up or down a step or two (pretty typical) would drive you crazy? As would many other instruments not tuned to Kammerton. Easy enough to live with -- even if you suffer from perfect pitch :-) And mean tone is soo much more pleasant (as long as you're not in a bad key. So how about making the sidetone pitch tuning really interesting -- say, Mean Tone, 5th comma or Kernberger III :-))) Grant/NQ5T __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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And then there are those of us who need to stand together singing "Happy Birthday" because we like to use the same note. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 2012 Cal QSO Party 6-7 Oct 2012 - www.cqp.org On 12/11/2011 9:03 AM, Gary Smith wrote: > This probably is of little interest to most but I would like the > ability to fine tune the pitch in closer than 10 Hz increments. I'm a > musician and have for practical purposes, perfect pitch. I have my > pitch set at 590 which is the closest approximation to the proper > pitch for "D" (which is 587.33) When I have the pitch set to 590, I > know it's almost a "D" note but it's a bit disquieting at the same > time. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] More precise pitch options?
The reality is I put out a simple request and there's always going to be a select bunch of people who think it shows their prowess to come up with a smarmy smart ass reply to a request if they don't see any value in it for themselves. If there's something that can easily be done I'm hoping Eric or Wayne will be able to do this and for those others who just gotta make a genius remark about it, just email me directly; but you won't get the same press cred as on the reflector... Gary KA1J __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] More precise pitch options?
I've seen what a difference in pitch can do. I used to be the "code guy" in our ARRL VE group. Several applicants would flunk the Novice code test because they said the ARRL standard pitch was not the same as what they used when they were learning the code. Sounded like a lame excuse to me, but I'd tweak the tone and they'd pass with no problem. Don NA6Z K3 #5495 > > From: Gary Smith >To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net >Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2011 3:55 PM >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] More precise pitch options? > >The reality is I put out a simple request and there's always going to >be a select bunch of people who think it shows their prowess to come >up with a smarmy smart ass reply to a request if they don't see any >value in it for themselves. > >[snip - drp] > >Gary >KA1J > > > >__ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] More precise pitch options?
Don Putnick wrote: >I've seen what a difference in pitch can do. I used to be the "code >guy" in our ARRL VE group. Several applicants would flunk the Novice >code test because they said the ARRL standard pitch was not the same as >what they used when they were learning the code. Sounded like a lame >excuse to me, but I'd tweak the tone and they'd pass with no problem. > All credit to you, Don, for understanding that someone else could have a problem, even though you don't have that particular problem yourself. This so-called Elecraft "community" needs a whole lot more of that kind of understanding. -- 73 from Ian GM3SEK http://www.ifwtech.co.uk/g3sek __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] More precise pitch options?
Ian, Yeppir! 73' Gary VK4FD - Motorhome Mobile Elecraft Equipment K3 #679, KPA-500 #018 Living the dream!!! - Original Message - From: Ian White GM3SEK To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 5:30 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] More precise pitch options? Don Putnick wrote: >I've seen what a difference in pitch can do. I used to be the "code >guy" in our ARRL VE group. Several applicants would flunk the Novice >code test because they said the ARRL standard pitch was not the same as >what they used when they were learning the code. Sounded like a lame >excuse to me, but I'd tweak the tone and they'd pass with no problem. > All credit to you, Don, for understanding that someone else could have a problem, even though you don't have that particular problem yourself. This so-called Elecraft "community" needs a whole lot more of that kind of understanding. -- 73 from Ian GM3SEK http://www.ifwtech.co.uk/g3sek __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] More precise pitch options?
Not a lame excuse. When I took the General Class test in Houston in early 1961, the room was full of all types.old guys mostly and a few of us youngsters (I was 17). The examiners ran the tape for the Extras and most passed with ease. Then , it was our time. The tape starts and many of us look at each other saying, "What's that, including me!" The pitch was so low, obviously not what many of us were use to. The examiners stopped the tape, scanned a few papers and then cranked up the pitch. The test was rerun and all of us were much happier. I think only a few flunked and had to wait a month to try again. The rest of us were happy and went on to the written test! Pitch did matter in this case of about 50 people taking the test. Roger W5RDW Murphy, Texas -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/More-precise-pitch-options-tp7083957p7086286.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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I find this interesting. When I am struggling to copy a weak station I very the RIT to get a tone that I copy better. At age 71 with 82% hearing loss I guess I am tuning to the best tone I have left. I do not use my hearing aids with headphones. I don't copy SSB very well so am thankful that I have favored CW for 58 years. I think with volume too high when I was younger is a big part of my hearing loss. I remember Mom & Dad yelling for me to turn the volume down. Even with headphones they could hear it. To late now. 73 George/W2BPI __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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Perhaps the lesson should be that, when learning the code, you should use different pitches and not become solely dependent on a single pitch. Real world operation typically has stations on slightly varying frequencies. One would make a horrible net control or traffic handler if everyone had to be at one perfect frequency. In the old days (LOL), we used surplus aircraft beacon filters for add on selectivity. They were fixed at 1030 Hz. I hated the pitch of that thing, but it did help sometimes. My current rig (TS-440) uses 800 Hz which I find high. (My new K3 is enroute.) Ken WA8JXM On Dec 12, 2011, at 9:34 AM, W5RDW wrote: > Not a lame excuse. When I took the General Class test in Houston in early > 1961, the room was full of all types.old guys mostly and a few of us > youngsters (I was 17). The examiners ran the tape for the Extras and most > passed with ease. Then , it was our time. The tape starts and many of us > look at each other saying, "What's that, including me!" The pitch was so > low, obviously not what many of us were use to. The examiners stopped the > tape, scanned a few papers and then cranked up the pitch. The test was rerun > and all of us were much happier. I think only a few flunked and had to wait > a month to try again. The rest of us were happy and went on to the written > test! Pitch did matter in this case of about 50 people taking the test. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] More precise pitch options?
Ken, The problem with that is that if people are "encouraged" to do something that they are uncomfortable with, or causes them discomfort, they are less inclined to follow through with it. Matthew Pitts N8OHU Sent from my Wireless Device -Original Message- From: Ken Sender: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 12:48:27 To: W5RDW Cc: Subject: Re: [Elecraft] More precise pitch options? Perhaps the lesson should be that, when learning the code, you should use different pitches and not become solely dependent on a single pitch. Real world operation typically has stations on slightly varying frequencies. One would make a horrible net control or traffic handler if everyone had to be at one perfect frequency. In the old days (LOL), we used surplus aircraft beacon filters for add on selectivity. They were fixed at 1030 Hz. I hated the pitch of that thing, but it did help sometimes. My current rig (TS-440) uses 800 Hz which I find high. (My new K3 is enroute.) Ken WA8JXM On Dec 12, 2011, at 9:34 AM, W5RDW wrote: > Not a lame excuse. When I took the General Class test in Houston in early > 1961, the room was full of all types.old guys mostly and a few of us > youngsters (I was 17). The examiners ran the tape for the Extras and most > passed with ease. Then , it was our time. The tape starts and many of us > look at each other saying, "What's that, including me!" The pitch was so > low, obviously not what many of us were use to. The examiners stopped the > tape, scanned a few papers and then cranked up the pitch. The test was rerun > and all of us were much happier. I think only a few flunked and had to wait > a month to try again. The rest of us were happy and went on to the written > test! Pitch did matter in this case of about 50 people taking the test. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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Someone who is dependent on a narrow range of CW pitch would have a horrible time in a pile up or running stations during a contest. A good way to get used to a variety of pitch frequencies is to try Morse Runner in a simulated WPX contest and crank up the activity level to at least 3 and open the filter frequency to at least 500 Hz. You will hear callers both above and below the center frequency you chose. Rob K6RB __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] More precise pitch options?
I'm not saying that people have to be forced to do something uncomfortable, but rather to vary the tone instead of one single pitch as a better learning experience. After all, real world CW is quite different from the perfect learning environment. If they require a perfect environment to learn with, they probably won't enjoy the real world of HF operating, so they won't follow through with that either. Ken WA8JXM On Dec 12, 2011, at 12:58 PM, Matthew Pitts wrote: > Ken, > > The problem with that is that if people are "encouraged" to do something that > they are uncomfortable with, or causes them discomfort, they are less > inclined to follow through with it. > > Matthew Pitts > N8OHU > > Sent from my Wireless Device > > -Original Message- > From: Ken > Sender: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net > Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 12:48:27 > To: W5RDW > Cc: > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] More precise pitch options? > > Perhaps the lesson should be that, when learning the code, you should use > different pitches and not become solely dependent on a single pitch. Real > world operation typically has stations on slightly varying frequencies. One > would make a horrible net control or traffic handler if everyone had to be at > one perfect frequency. > > In the old days (LOL), we used surplus aircraft beacon filters for add on > selectivity. They were fixed at 1030 Hz. I hated the pitch of that thing, > but it did help sometimes. My current rig (TS-440) uses 800 Hz which I find > high. (My new K3 is enroute.) > > Ken WA8JXM > > > On Dec 12, 2011, at 9:34 AM, W5RDW wrote: > >> Not a lame excuse. When I took the General Class test in Houston in early >> 1961, the room was full of all types.old guys mostly and a few of us >> youngsters (I was 17). The examiners ran the tape for the Extras and most >> passed with ease. Then , it was our time. The tape starts and many of us >> look at each other saying, "What's that, including me!" The pitch was so >> low, obviously not what many of us were use to. The examiners stopped the >> tape, scanned a few papers and then cranked up the pitch. The test was rerun >> and all of us were much happier. I think only a few flunked and had to wait >> a month to try again. The rest of us were happy and went on to the written >> test! Pitch did matter in this case of about 50 people taking the test. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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I've gotten more than a few off list comments on this and every one has been a good read. I put the idea out and apparently it resonated (pun intended) with many on the list. If you want to see just how connected you are to perfect pitch, how well you can identify random sequences in notes and how good your ability to discern rhythm then check out this web page and click on the "Music Tests". You will need Java to run the tests. Fwiw, according to the "adaptive pitch" test & using my Bose QC15 headsets at 61 YO I can reliably discriminate to .23 Hz. I don't have perfect pitch but it is pretty close. As to the K3, I love the diversity mode on the low bands. Gary KA1J __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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Ah rats, I forgot to list the website... http://jakemandell.com/ Click on "Music Tests"... I have the memory of a sieve... Gary KA1J > I've gotten more than a few off list comments on this and every one > has been a good read. I put the idea out and apparently it resonated > (pun intended) with many on the list. > > If you want to see just how connected you are to perfect pitch, how > well you can identify random sequences in notes and how good your > ability to discern rhythm then check out this web page and click on > the "Music Tests". You will need Java to run the tests. Fwiw, > according to the "adaptive pitch" test & using my Bose QC15 headsets > at 61 YO I can reliably discriminate to .23 Hz. I don't have perfect > pitch but it is pretty close. > > As to the K3, I love the diversity mode on the low bands. > > Gary > KA1J > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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I scored average, which disappointed me a little. However, I would NOT say you have a memory like a sieve if you could remember the long sequence of notes in a lot of those 36 sample audio clips. Thanks for bringing this one up, Gary. Amateur scientists like me love this sort of stuff :) Best to you and yours, Gary. Gary, VE1RGB -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Gary Smith Sent: December 14, 2011 12:26 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] More precise pitch options? Ah rats, I forgot to list the website... http://jakemandell.com/ Click on "Music Tests"... I have the memory of a sieve... Gary KA1J > I've gotten more than a few off list comments on this and every one > has been a good read. I put the idea out and apparently it resonated > (pun intended) with many on the list. > > If you want to see just how connected you are to perfect pitch, how > well you can identify random sequences in notes and how good your > ability to discern rhythm then check out this web page and click on > the "Music Tests". You will need Java to run the tests. Fwiw, > according to the "adaptive pitch" test & using my Bose QC15 headsets > at 61 YO I can reliably discriminate to .23 Hz. I don't have perfect > pitch but it is pretty close. > > As to the K3, I love the diversity mode on the low bands. > > Gary > KA1J > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] More precise pitch options?
Oops, sri. Personal. Gary, VE1RGB -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of gary bartlett Sent: December 15, 2011 12:40 PM To: g...@ka1j.com; elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] More precise pitch options? I scored average, which disappointed me a little. However, I would NOT say you have a memory like a sieve if you could remember the long sequence of notes in a lot of those 36 sample audio clips. Thanks for bringing this one up, Gary. Amateur scientists like me love this sort of stuff :) Best to you and yours, Gary. Gary, VE1RGB -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Gary Smith Sent: December 14, 2011 12:26 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] More precise pitch options? Ah rats, I forgot to list the website... http://jakemandell.com/ Click on "Music Tests"... I have the memory of a sieve... Gary KA1J > I've gotten more than a few off list comments on this and every one > has been a good read. I put the idea out and apparently it resonated > (pun intended) with many on the list. > > If you want to see just how connected you are to perfect pitch, how > well you can identify random sequences in notes and how good your > ability to discern rhythm then check out this web page and click on > the "Music Tests". You will need Java to run the tests. Fwiw, > according to the "adaptive pitch" test & using my Bose QC15 headsets > at 61 YO I can reliably discriminate to .23 Hz. I don't have perfect > pitch but it is pretty close. > > As to the K3, I love the diversity mode on the low bands. > > Gary > KA1J > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
