Re: [Elecraft] Musings on a "K4"
In a K4 I would like to have a SDR radio that would be a lot more "definable" by the end user. I still prefer a conventional self-contained box-with-knobs for my ham rig (not a computer) but would like to have a lot more facility for customizing its operation and functions. Many of the various feature requests and software enchancements that have been requested for the K3 and will probably never be implemented could possibly be programmed by the user himself if the rig had a sophisticated macro language. Such a "kit" would be a lot of fun to tinker with! Not really interested in an SMD kit which to me would be little more than an extended exercise in soldering, with bags full of microscopic parts... 73, Drew AF2Z __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Musings on a "K4"
Sorry for the length. I've tried to put the really lengthy parts in footnotes. General Comments: I like building things and soldering[1]. I talked with Eric at a show and he had cogent things to say about support costs for SMT kits, but with my Heathkit background I think we need to give young people the experience of building with modern techniques so they can compete in inventing new devices. Touch screens can be really bad.[2] I can still use my K3 by touch at night when I haven't turned the lights on. Also think about blind hams and other handicaps. Any new-design radio should have a direct digital audio interface to computers.[3] The radio should be designed for complete remote control[4]. Reducing the maze of wires is certainly desirable. Mouse click to panadapter tune would be nice. As a K3/10 owner, I am not overly impressed with the need to have >100W in the box. I like the clean signal argument Joe presented though. Cheers - Bill, AE6JV [1] It took me 18 months to decide between the K2 and K3. I looked at it as: K2: + Real kit + Smaller + Less receive power + Less $$$ - Poorer specs - Poorer support for sound-card digital K3: + Better specs + Good sound-card digital support + The rest of the K line I finally got off the dime at RadioFest near Monterey CA after my wife (a retired Apple software QA engineer) spent 15 minutes discussing the K3 UI with an Elecraft booth attendant. When she approved the UI and was willing to pony up the $$$ for a minimal K3 I jumped on it. My show benefit was free shipping the 30 miles or so from Watsonville. [2] My iPhone frequently doesn't recognize my touch. Wetting my finger tip helps. I have really big fingers, glove size XL. I like the touch screens that can be used with a stylus because I can use my finger nail with them. As a touch typist, touch screen keyboards are awful. [3] The radio could include a general purpose computer as part of the package. Deciding on computer features makes this choice less desirable. (Ducking the Mac/Linux/Windows wars.) [4] Being able to set the radio up for remote operation becomes more important as more and more hams live with antenna restrictions or travel. , Also allowing the final amp and receiver front end to be near the antenna feed point is quite valuable at higher frequencies. --- Bill Frantz| Since the IBM Selectric, keyboards have gotten 408-356-8506 | steadily worse. Now we have touchscreen keyboards. www.pwpconsult.com | Can we make something even worse? __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Musings on a K4
Absolutely Eric. I already have a Glad leaf bag ready! - Reply message - From: "eric manning" To: Cc: Subject: [Elecraft] Musings on a K4 Date: Thu, May 23, 2013 10:07 am Rich KY6R said If I stack the KPA-500 on the bottom, KAT-500 next up and K3 and put the P3 next to that stack, then it will look like one radio - hi hi. Hey, that's what I will do. 73, Rich KY6R Also, wrap the stack in black plastic wrap. But first put in a lead ingot, so it will be as heavy as the FT-5000. And use blue-tinted wrap to cover the front panel so the display will be Yaesu Blue. :-) Eric VA7DZ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Musings on a K4
Rich KY6R said If I stack the KPA-500 on the bottom, KAT-500 next up and K3 and put the P3 next to that stack, then it will look like one radio - hi hi. Hey, that's what I will do. 73, Rich KY6R Also, wrap the stack in black plastic wrap. But first put in a lead ingot, so it will be as heavy as the FT-5000. And use blue-tinted wrap to cover the front panel so the display will be Yaesu Blue. :-) Eric VA7DZ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Musings on a "K4"
Bob how right you are my IC-9100 is just as you say, the one non-Elecraft radio I kept because they had nothing to match it. 73, Fred/N0AZZ -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bob Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 11:06 AM Cc: Elecraft Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Musings on a "K4" Personally, I'd be happy if I could upgrade my K3 to get rid of all the clutter on the back panel. Give me a single Ethernet connection that allows me rig control, audio in/out, digital modes, IQ out, remote control, etc. That would eliminate a ton of wiring. I use a Icon IC-9100 for VHF/UHF work. It is a pleasure to move that radio around. Power, Antenna, USB are the only things hooked up in the back. My K3 on the other hand has: Paddle in, Key in, audio in, audio out, rig control, cable for tuner and amp, IF output, FSK input, antenna and power (10 cables). The K3 is light, highly portable, and is a performance dream. It just requires 50 pounds of cables to attach to everything! Given the modular approach of the K3, it should be possible swap out the traditional stuff and supply a digital connection as an option. By the way, I have never had a RFI issue with a Ethernet USTP network. All my computer cables/switches work just fine. Can't say the same about all the other connectors and cables. So going over to a single digital connection makes for a more robust electromagnetic compatibility situation as well. Heck, it could even be WiFi. 73, Bob, WB4SON __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2242 / Virus Database: 3162/5850 - Release Date: 05/23/13 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Musings on a "K4"
Hi I'm sure Elecraft is picking up a few interesting suggestions from this thread so I might as well throw my ideas in as well. I really like computers and a clean desk. I would like to be able to have complete control of an excellent radio such as the K3 from my computer and to be able to locate my radio out of site. In fact I would like to locate the radio at the back of the house downstairs where the antenna cables come in from outside. The radio would then NOT NEED ANY CONTROLS just control and power cable connectors. The radio could then be sold at a reduced price. The 'black box' radio would be totally functional as the present K3 and the computer control software in effect would act as a 'dumb terminal' and I am sure any number of 3rd party developers would bring out attractive versions (such as N4PY). The old Ten Tec Pegasus followed this design. For those who really like the feel of the knobs and switches of a 'real radio' a radio front like the K3/0 could be made available and could have complete control of the 'black box' located under the desk. It seems that elecraft is already a long way along this path. In addition to the K3/0 a K3/-1 might be considered (a K3/-1 being the black box). Jim, VE3CI __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Musings on a "K4"
You know what guys we really are lucky to have the K3/KX3 and what they bring to the table for us. Plus what we are seeing for add-ons that work well with the KX3 for logging, Panadapter the works and all the people working on them. 73, Fred/N0AZZ -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Edward Dickinson III Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 10:43 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Musings on a "K4" K4 = tablet program and dock..? Dick - KA5KKT How about a K4/KX4 built in a format like an iMac (computer/monitor/all-in-one) or iPad with apps that provide needed user interface, and external I/O for amps, P4, keyboard (wireless?) and such. Would be fun with an N1MM app and general logger. Internet interface for uploading to LoTW, ClubLog, etc. Rich NU6T On 5/23/2013 8:08 AM, Edward Dickinson III wrote: > How about a 8" - 10" tablet-type interface with significant touch areas that > are user selectable / programmable and other areas dedicated for pan > display, typical display readout? > > > > Dick - KA5KKT __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2242 / Virus Database: 3162/5850 - Release Date: 05/23/13 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Musings on a "K4"
Still one of the best all mode mobiles made what's your point? It's replacement has a touch screen was mine, what is your problem just cheap answers? 73, Fred/N0AZZ -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim Brown Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 9:59 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Musings on a "K4" On 5/23/2013 7:20 AM, Fred Smith wrote: > Icom 7100 has a touch screen > on it, it is the replacement for the IC-7000 I can't imagine why that would interest anyone -- the 7000 has a user interface that only the programmer's mother could love. VERY awkward to use, and it's essentially a cheapie radio with cheapie radio performance. 73, Jim K9YC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2242 / Virus Database: 3162/5850 - Release Date: 05/23/13 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Musings on a "K4"
Personally, I'd be happy if I could upgrade my K3 to get rid of all the clutter on the back panel. Give me a single Ethernet connection that allows me rig control, audio in/out, digital modes, IQ out, remote control, etc. That would eliminate a ton of wiring. I use a Icon IC-9100 for VHF/UHF work. It is a pleasure to move that radio around. Power, Antenna, USB are the only things hooked up in the back. My K3 on the other hand has: Paddle in, Key in, audio in, audio out, rig control, cable for tuner and amp, IF output, FSK input, antenna and power (10 cables). The K3 is light, highly portable, and is a performance dream. It just requires 50 pounds of cables to attach to everything! Given the modular approach of the K3, it should be possible swap out the traditional stuff and supply a digital connection as an option. By the way, I have never had a RFI issue with a Ethernet USTP network. All my computer cables/switches work just fine. Can't say the same about all the other connectors and cables. So going over to a single digital connection makes for a more robust electromagnetic compatibility situation as well. Heck, it could even be WiFi. 73, Bob, WB4SON __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Musings on a K4
Try a TS-990 plenty of weight there or a 9000MP plenty of HP but you need a 2 wheeler two too move it. The FTDX-5000MP is a good choice for home. 73, Fred/N0AZZ -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Joe Subich, W4TV Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 9:42 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Musings on a K4 I would expect the K3 to remain the premiere "on the go" radio but I still want a "real radio" for *home station operation* without the need for four or five boxes. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 5/23/2013 10:23 AM, Arie Kleingeld PA3A wrote: > Please don't put everything in one enclosure. > My loaded K3 can now easily fly along when we go on dxpedition. I > purchased the KPA500 for that same reason. Decent amount of power at > moderate weight. If it would be in one enclosure, I would have trouble > taking it with me. Low weight per item is key for me. > > 73 > Arie PA3A > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2242 / Virus Database: 3162/5850 - Release Date: 05/23/13 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Musings on a "K4"
How about a K4/KX4 built in a format like an iMac (computer/monitor/all-in-one) or iPad with apps that provide needed user interface, and external I/O for amps, P4, keyboard (wireless?) and such. Would be fun with an N1MM app and general logger. Internet interface for uploading to LoTW, ClubLog, etc. Rich NU6T On 5/23/2013 8:08 AM, Edward Dickinson III wrote: How about a 8" - 10" tablet-type interface with significant touch areas that are user selectable / programmable and other areas dedicated for pan display, typical display readout? Dick - KA5KKT --- Just for concept discussion, it would be really interesting to use a TFT LCD 5" hi-res color touch screen as part of a new front panel for the K3. Just a new front panel interface with a lot of the "knob" functions accessible as a touch menu items on the screen. Guy/N7UN __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Musings on a "K4"
How about a 8" - 10" tablet-type interface with significant touch areas that are user selectable / programmable and other areas dedicated for pan display, typical display readout? Dick - KA5KKT --- Just for concept discussion, it would be really interesting to use a TFT LCD 5" hi-res color touch screen as part of a new front panel for the K3. Just a new front panel interface with a lot of the "knob" functions accessible as a touch menu items on the screen. Guy/N7UN __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Musings on a K4
Funny, that would be my nightmare K4. I want a K4 to totally surprise me with features in a configuration that I would never have thought of. On May 23, 2013, at 4:57 AM, KY6R wrote: > I have the full K-Line and love it. However, my dream K4 would be: > > Two receivers > 400 watts > Built in panadapter > Built in antenna tuner > 160-6M > Separate RX > Choice of several filters > > Price = $5000 or less > > Basically, an FT-5000 and TS990s "killer". > > I guess it would be my K-Line in a single box. Larger than the K3 of course > . . . > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Musings-on-a-K4-tp6619854p7574060.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Musings on a "K4"
On 5/23/2013 7:20 AM, Fred Smith wrote: Icom 7100 has a touch screen on it, it is the replacement for the IC-7000 I can't imagine why that would interest anyone -- the 7000 has a user interface that only the programmer's mother could love. VERY awkward to use, and it's essentially a cheapie radio with cheapie radio performance. 73, Jim K9YC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Musings on a K4
If I stack the KPA-500 on the bottom, KAT-500 next up and K3 and put the P3 next to that stack, then it will look like one radio - hi hi. Hey, that's what I will do. 73, Rich KY6R - Reply message - From: "Fred Smith" To: , Subject: [Elecraft] Musings on a K4 Date: Thu, May 23, 2013 7:24 am Rich those were only my opinions from having a few of those features in other radios. But I do like my Elecraft K lines. 73,Fred/N0AZZ From: rhol...@comcast.net [mailto:rhol...@comcast.net] Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 8:37 AM To: Fred Smith; elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Musings on a K4 Good points. You have convinced me that my full K Line already is an FT-5000 and TS-990s "killer". 73, Rich KY6R No radios were killed in the making of this email - Reply message - From: "Fred Smith" To: "'KY6R'" , Subject: [Elecraft] Musings on a K4 Date: Thu, May 23, 2013 5:41 am I know for a fact that I wouldn't buy one and price has nothing to do with it. A 400w transceiver is worthless IMHO and any built-in Panadapter is just like the rest. The KPA500/KAT500 is a better choice and if they problems you pull it out for repair and still able to use radio same for P3/SVGA. Other than those two you have a K3 with a P3 and KPA500 a much better setup plus it runs on 12v. Sorry I can't see any advantage with those add-ons in fact they would be draw backs. I sold my FTDX-5000MP that I owned for 2 yrs and now have 2 K3's one fully loaded, a full line as you put it on that one with the KPA500 for 6m and on the main loaded one an Alpha amp just HF. The FTDX-5000MP was a very good radio in many respects a few of them better than the K3 but you see what I choose. As I tell many people as far as I know there has never been a perfect radioyet! Don't tell anyone but my KX3 has to be close to the best QRP all mode ever made 8>) The TS-990 still has no test results released yet and I personally have no use for 130+ knobs and buttons that may only be used once during setup for many. I have a few things I might wish for on a K4 but very few and all could be done with a couple of new boards and small items. Keep it "SMALL" once I got used to it it's great! 73, Fred/N0AZZ K3 Ser #'s 6730/5299--KX3 # 2573--K2/100--KAT100 P3/SVGA--KPA500--KAT500--W2 -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman..qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of KY6R Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 6:58 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Musings on a K4 I have the full K-Line and love it. However, my dream K4 would be: Two receivers 400 watts Built in panadapter Built in antenna tuner 160-6M Separate RX Choice of several filters Price = $5000 or less Basically, an FT-5000 and TS990s "killer". I guess it would be my K-Line in a single box. Larger than the K3 of course .. . . -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Musings-on-a-K4-tp6619854p7574060.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 3162/6347 - Release Date: 05/22/13No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2242 / Virus Database: 3162/5850 - Release Date: 05/23/13 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Musings on a K4
I would expect the K3 to remain the premiere "on the go" radio but I still want a "real radio" for *home station operation* without the need for four or five boxes. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 5/23/2013 10:23 AM, Arie Kleingeld PA3A wrote: Please don't put everything in one enclosure. My loaded K3 can now easily fly along when we go on dxpedition. I purchased the KPA500 for that same reason. Decent amount of power at moderate weight. If it would be in one enclosure, I would have trouble taking it with me. Low weight per item is key for me. 73 Arie PA3A __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Musings on a K4
Rich those were only my opinions from having a few of those features in other radios. But I do like my Elecraft K lines. 73, Fred/N0AZZ From: rhol...@comcast.net [mailto:rhol...@comcast.net] Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 8:37 AM To: Fred Smith; elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Musings on a K4 Good points. You have convinced me that my full K Line already is an FT-5000 and TS-990s "killer". 73, Rich KY6R No radios were killed in the making of this email - Reply message - From: "Fred Smith" To: "'KY6R'" , Subject: [Elecraft] Musings on a K4 Date: Thu, May 23, 2013 5:41 am I know for a fact that I wouldn't buy one and price has nothing to do with it. A 400w transceiver is worthless IMHO and any built-in Panadapter is just like the rest. The KPA500/KAT500 is a better choice and if they problems you pull it out for repair and still able to use radio same for P3/SVGA. Other than those two you have a K3 with a P3 and KPA500 a much better setup plus it runs on 12v. Sorry I can't see any advantage with those add-ons in fact they would be draw backs. I sold my FTDX-5000MP that I owned for 2 yrs and now have 2 K3's one fully loaded, a full line as you put it on that one with the KPA500 for 6m and on the main loaded one an Alpha amp just HF. The FTDX-5000MP was a very good radio in many respects a few of them better than the K3 but you see what I choose. As I tell many people as far as I know there has never been a perfect radioyet! Don't tell anyone but my KX3 has to be close to the best QRP all mode ever made 8>) The TS-990 still has no test results released yet and I personally have no use for 130+ knobs and buttons that may only be used once during setup for many. I have a few things I might wish for on a K4 but very few and all could be done with a couple of new boards and small items. Keep it "SMALL" once I got used to it it's great! 73, Fred/N0AZZ K3 Ser #'s 6730/5299--KX3 # 2573--K2/100--KAT100 P3/SVGA--KPA500--KAT500--W2 -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of KY6R Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 6:58 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Musings on a K4 I have the full K-Line and love it. However, my dream K4 would be: Two receivers 400 watts Built in panadapter Built in antenna tuner 160-6M Separate RX Choice of several filters Price = $5000 or less Basically, an FT-5000 and TS990s "killer". I guess it would be my K-Line in a single box. Larger than the K3 of course .. . . -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Musings-on-a-K4-tp6619854p7574060.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 3162/6347 - Release Date: 05/22/13 _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2242 / Virus Database: 3162/5850 - Release Date: 05/23/13 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Musings on a K4
Please don't put everything in one enclosure. My loaded K3 can now easily fly along when we go on dxpedition. I purchased the KPA500 for that same reason. Decent amount of power at moderate weight. If it would be in one enclosure, I would have trouble taking it with me. Low weight per item is key for me. 73 Arie PA3A __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Musings on a "K4"
Guy I have one of the new Alpha 4040 auto tuners on order and it has one of the touch screens on it with a lot that it controls. I do mean a lot of different things including a smith chart display. I am holding my opinion on this touch screen till I finally receive it. My Smartphone's have had them for a long time your right about the prices I would think. As most of you know the new soon to be released Icom 7100 has a touch screen on it, it is the replacement for the IC-7000 and I'm going to have one if they are ever released. 73, Fred/N0AZZ -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Guy Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 8:54 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Musings on a "K4" "The TS-990 still has no test results released yet and I personally have no use for 130+ knobs and buttons that may only be used once during setup for many." Just for concept discussion, it would be really interesting to use a TFT LCD 5" hi-res color touch screen as part of a new front panel for the K3. Just a new front panel interface with a lot of the "knob" functions accessible as a touch menu items on the screen. Because of the hi-volume use of this technology in the cellphone industry, prices should be low, and software development libraries mature. This would then open up a significant advance in the GUI and features available in the radio, like maybe a limited bandscope. I have no idea if this is code-compatible with the existing K3? But nonetheless fun to dream about. Guy/N7UN -- Guy/N7UN http://www.n7un.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2242 / Virus Database: 3162/5850 - Release Date: 05/23/13 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Musings on a K4
In spite of what others say, I generally agree with the list. Although I think 400W may be "over the top" - 150 to 200W output with a 48V PA power supply would be extremely useful for those who do not use external power amplifiers and would provide much better transmit IMD numbers (cleaner signals). In addition to the built-in P3, I would include an SVGA output (P3SVGA), separate "TERMINAL" (DB9) I/O, and USB accessory jacks (support for keyboard, mouse, and "Shuttle Pro" as a remove VFO and macro device). I would also include - "band stacking" registers with true single button per band band selection; selectable optimized preamps for 6m and 10/12m; operation to 400 KHz (for the 490 KHz allocation when it becomes available); place the "notch" *inside* the AGC; make the noise reduction more effective; review/eliminate some of the dual function (tap/hold) switches - particularly operation of "SUB" and AFX/DATA MD; wideband (100 KHz) I/Q input and output for external software support. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 5/23/2013 7:57 AM, KY6R wrote: I have the full K-Line and love it. However, my dream K4 would be: Two receivers 400 watts Built in panadapter Built in antenna tuner 160-6M Separate RX Choice of several filters Price = $5000 or less Basically, an FT-5000 and TS990s "killer". I guess it would be my K-Line in a single box. Larger than the K3 of course . . . -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Musings-on-a-K4-tp6619854p7574060.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Musings on a K4
Good points. You have convinced me that my full K Line already is an FT-5000 and TS-990s "killer". 73, Rich KY6R No radios were killed in the making of this email - Reply message - From: "Fred Smith" To: "'KY6R'" , Subject: [Elecraft] Musings on a K4 Date: Thu, May 23, 2013 5:41 am I know for a fact that I wouldn't buy one and price has nothing to do with it. A 400w transceiver is worthless IMHO and any built-in Panadapter is just like the rest. The KPA500/KAT500 is a better choice and if they problems you pull it out for repair and still able to use radio same for P3/SVGA. Other than those two you have a K3 with a P3 and KPA500 a much better setup plus it runs on 12v. Sorry I can't see any advantage with those add-ons in fact they would be draw backs. I sold my FTDX-5000MP that I owned for 2 yrs and now have 2 K3's one fully loaded, a full line as you put it on that one with the KPA500 for 6m and on the main loaded one an Alpha amp just HF. The FTDX-5000MP was a very good radio in many respects a few of them better than the K3 but you see what I choose. As I tell many people as far as I know there has never been a perfect radioyet! Don't tell anyone but my KX3 has to be close to the best QRP all mode ever made 8>) The TS-990 still has no test results released yet and I personally have no use for 130+ knobs and buttons that may only be used once during setup for many. I have a few things I might wish for on a K4 but very few and all could be done with a couple of new boards and small items. Keep it "SMALL" once I got used to it it's great! 73, Fred/N0AZZ K3 Ser #'s 6730/5299--KX3 # 2573--K2/100--KAT100 P3/SVGA--KPA500--KAT500--W2 -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of KY6R Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 6:58 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Musings on a K4 I have the full K-Line and love it. However, my dream K4 would be: Two receivers 400 watts Built in panadapter Built in antenna tuner 160-6M Separate RX Choice of several filters Price = $5000 or less Basically, an FT-5000 and TS990s "killer". I guess it would be my K-Line in a single box. Larger than the K3 of course .. . . -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Musings-on-a-K4-tp6619854p7574060.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 3162/6347 - Release Date: 05/22/13 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Musings on a K4
Hi All, KY6R is entitled to dream as we all do.For me though any rig with more than 100 Watts output is problematic. I want to be able to drive an amplifier without danger of instantly frying its grids or input circuit. Most casual operations here are at 65 Watts without an amplifier. The modular construction of the K line is one of its strong points. One can purchase a basic K3 for a modest cost and then develop the station to suit pocket and needs. I believe this has been a feature for Elecraft. I even now accept the smaller size and light weight K3 as preferable. It seems our favourite radio will be around for a long time to come and somehow Elecraft will continue to improve this fine piece of engineering. Thank you for this. In the meantime we all dream and this drives progress. Now to become accustomed to a KX3 driving an Alex Loop while visiting in W land. 73 Doug EI2CN -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Fred Smith Sent: 23 May 2013 13:42 To: 'KY6R'; elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Musings on a K4 I know for a fact that I wouldn't buy one and price has nothing to do with it. A 400w transceiver is worthless IMHO and any built-in Panadapter is just like the rest. The KPA500/KAT500 is a better choice and if they problems you pull it out for repair and still able to use radio same for P3/SVGA. Other than those two you have a K3 with a P3 and KPA500 a much better setup plus it runs on 12v. Sorry I can't see any advantage with those add-ons in fact they would be draw backs. I sold my FTDX-5000MP that I owned for 2 yrs and now have 2 K3's one fully loaded, a full line as you put it on that one with the KPA500 for 6m and on the main loaded one an Alpha amp just HF. The FTDX-5000MP was a very good radio in many respects a few of them better than the K3 but you see what I choose. As I tell many people as far as I know there has never been a perfect radioyet! Don't tell anyone but my KX3 has to be close to the best QRP all mode ever made 8>) The TS-990 still has no test results released yet and I personally have no use for 130+ knobs and buttons that may only be used once during setup for many. I have a few things I might wish for on a K4 but very few and all could be done with a couple of new boards and small items. Keep it "SMALL" once I got used to it it's great! 73, Fred/N0AZZ K3 Ser #'s 6730/5299--KX3 # 2573--K2/100--KAT100 P3/SVGA--KPA500--KAT500--W2 -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of KY6R Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 6:58 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Musings on a K4 I have the full K-Line and love it. However, my dream K4 would be: Two receivers 400 watts Built in panadapter Built in antenna tuner 160-6M Separate RX Choice of several filters Price = $5000 or less Basically, an FT-5000 and TS990s "killer". I guess it would be my K-Line in a single box. Larger than the K3 of course . . . -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Musings-on-a-K4-tp6619854p7574060.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 3162/6347 - Release Date: 05/22/13 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Musings on a K4
I know for a fact that I wouldn't buy one and price has nothing to do with it. A 400w transceiver is worthless IMHO and any built-in Panadapter is just like the rest. The KPA500/KAT500 is a better choice and if they problems you pull it out for repair and still able to use radio same for P3/SVGA. Other than those two you have a K3 with a P3 and KPA500 a much better setup plus it runs on 12v. Sorry I can't see any advantage with those add-ons in fact they would be draw backs. I sold my FTDX-5000MP that I owned for 2 yrs and now have 2 K3's one fully loaded, a full line as you put it on that one with the KPA500 for 6m and on the main loaded one an Alpha amp just HF. The FTDX-5000MP was a very good radio in many respects a few of them better than the K3 but you see what I choose. As I tell many people as far as I know there has never been a perfect radioyet! Don't tell anyone but my KX3 has to be close to the best QRP all mode ever made 8>) The TS-990 still has no test results released yet and I personally have no use for 130+ knobs and buttons that may only be used once during setup for many. I have a few things I might wish for on a K4 but very few and all could be done with a couple of new boards and small items. Keep it "SMALL" once I got used to it it's great! 73, Fred/N0AZZ K3 Ser #'s 6730/5299--KX3 # 2573--K2/100--KAT100 P3/SVGA--KPA500--KAT500--W2 -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of KY6R Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 6:58 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Musings on a K4 I have the full K-Line and love it. However, my dream K4 would be: Two receivers 400 watts Built in panadapter Built in antenna tuner 160-6M Separate RX Choice of several filters Price = $5000 or less Basically, an FT-5000 and TS990s "killer". I guess it would be my K-Line in a single box. Larger than the K3 of course . . . -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Musings-on-a-K4-tp6619854p7574060.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 3162/6347 - Release Date: 05/22/13 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Musings on a K4
I have the full K-Line and love it. However, my dream K4 would be: Two receivers 400 watts Built in panadapter Built in antenna tuner 160-6M Separate RX Choice of several filters Price = $5000 or less Basically, an FT-5000 and TS990s "killer". I guess it would be my K-Line in a single box. Larger than the K3 of course . . . -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Musings-on-a-K4-tp6619854p7574060.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Musings on a K4
On Tue, 2011-07-26 at 07:17 -0700, David Yarnes wrote: > ... They have > judiciously added talent to the team to the point that I doubt there is much > they couldn't produce, provided it made sense to do it. The trick is to > keep all this talent effectively busy, ... They do an excellent job of that! Alan N1AL __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Musings on a K4
K3UJ's hypohetical musings on something like a "K2.5" are bound to be answered eventually in some form or fashion by the folks at Elecraft. I have no idea if that is precisely where they will focus, but one thing I know for sure--Wayne and Eric are not the least bit lacking in imagination! That fact has been proven several times, and most recently with the announcement of the KX3. Half the fun of being an Elecraft devotee is staying tuned in to see what they will come up with next. They have judiciously added talent to the team to the point that I doubt there is much they couldn't produce, provided it made sense to do it. The trick is to keep all this talent effectively busy, so I strongly suspect there are a number of things on the drawing board right now. We just have to wait and see what's next. It's kind of like Christmas, except it can come at any time! Dave W7AQK === Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.17990) http://www.pctools.com/ === __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Musings on a K4
Ed, The LCD display would need to be holographic in nature in keeping with the 'Game Changer' mantra. Grin Gary On 26 July 2011 19:18, Edward R. Cole wrote: > Yes, a game changer: > > Small 2x2x3 inch block containing an organic computer with 78-GHz > waveguide flange with something like radiating fiberoptic interface > to a set of eyeglasses with LCD display and direct aural nerve > docking interface so one would only need to think the words which > would be converted into Quantum-modulation. Question is will it be > ham radio? oooweee beam me up! > > > 73, Ed - KL7UW, WD2XSH/45 > == > BP40IQ 500 KHz - 10-GHz www.kl7uw.com > EME: 50-1.1kw?, 144-1.4kw, 432-100w, 1296-60w, 3400-? > DUBUS Magazine USA Rep dubus...@gmail.com > == > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > -- VK4FD - Motorhome Mobile Elecraft Equipment K3 #679, KPA-500 #018 Living the dream!!! __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Musings on a K4
Yes, a game changer: Small 2x2x3 inch block containing an organic computer with 78-GHz waveguide flange with something like radiating fiberoptic interface to a set of eyeglasses with LCD display and direct aural nerve docking interface so one would only need to think the words which would be converted into Quantum-modulation. Question is will it be ham radio? oooweee beam me up! 73, Ed - KL7UW, WD2XSH/45 == BP40IQ 500 KHz - 10-GHz www.kl7uw.com EME: 50-1.1kw?, 144-1.4kw, 432-100w, 1296-60w, 3400-? DUBUS Magazine USA Rep dubus...@gmail.com == __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Musings on a K4
On 26 July 2011 03:34, Wayne Burdick wrote: > If there's ever a K4, it'll be a game-changer, or we won't bother. > > As of right now we're very happy with the K3, thank you :) > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > My bank manager has just heaved a sigh of relief! 73, Stephen G4SJP __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Musings on a K4
Uh huh! That's what I thought just before you dropped the KX3 bomb on us! :-) 73, Ken Alexander VE3HLS On 25/07/2011 10:34 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > If there's ever a K4, it'll be a game-changer, or we won't bother. > > As of right now we're very happy with the K3, thank you :) > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > > On Jul 25, 2011, at 7:08 PM, Nate Bargmann wrote: > >> * On 2011 25 Jul 20:36 -0500, David Dietrich wrote: >>> I know that many would want to see a "do everything" K4. However, >>> something like that could price it beyond the reach of most. Also, >>> keeping a rig strictly HF keeps things simple and does not >>> compromise performance. >> I'm now of the opposite opinion. Should there ever be a K4 I would >> hope >> for a 2m/70cm rig with the ability to choose modules of 222 MHz, 1.2 >> GHz, etc. with comparable specs to the K3 and full duplex capable for >> satellite work. Elecraft has HF through 6m covered (yes, I'm aware of >> the 2m module which is a "bridge" between the Hfer who wants VHF >> capability in the K3 and the hard core denizen of the upper spectrum >> who >> would go for the K4), IMO, especially with the KX3 entering the >> pipeline >> soon. It's time for a superb rig for the upper part of the spectrum. >> >> 73, de Nate>> >> >> -- >> >> "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all >> possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." >> >> Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://www.n0nb.us >> __ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Musings on a K4
satisfying the unsatisfiable seems like a pretty thankless job sometimes doesn't it? GB & 73 K5OAI Sam Morgan On 7/25/2011 9:34 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > If there's ever a K4, it'll be a game-changer, or we won't bother. > > As of right now we're very happy with the K3, thank you :) > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > > On Jul 25, 2011, at 7:08 PM, Nate Bargmann wrote: > >> * On 2011 25 Jul 20:36 -0500, David Dietrich wrote: >>> I know that many would want to see a "do everything" K4. However, >>> something like that could price it beyond the reach of most. Also, >>> keeping a rig strictly HF keeps things simple and does not >>> compromise performance. >> >> I'm now of the opposite opinion. Should there ever be a K4 I would >> hope >> for a 2m/70cm rig with the ability to choose modules of 222 MHz, 1.2 >> GHz, etc. with comparable specs to the K3 and full duplex capable for >> satellite work. Elecraft has HF through 6m covered (yes, I'm aware of >> the 2m module which is a "bridge" between the Hfer who wants VHF >> capability in the K3 and the hard core denizen of the upper spectrum >> who >> would go for the K4), IMO, especially with the KX3 entering the >> pipeline >> soon. It's time for a superb rig for the upper part of the spectrum. >> >> 73, de Nate>> >> >> -- >> >> "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all >> possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." >> >> Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://www.n0nb.us >> __ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Musings on a K4
If there's ever a K4, it'll be a game-changer, or we won't bother. As of right now we're very happy with the K3, thank you :) 73, Wayne N6KR On Jul 25, 2011, at 7:08 PM, Nate Bargmann wrote: > * On 2011 25 Jul 20:36 -0500, David Dietrich wrote: >> I know that many would want to see a "do everything" K4. However, >> something like that could price it beyond the reach of most. Also, >> keeping a rig strictly HF keeps things simple and does not >> compromise performance. > > I'm now of the opposite opinion. Should there ever be a K4 I would > hope > for a 2m/70cm rig with the ability to choose modules of 222 MHz, 1.2 > GHz, etc. with comparable specs to the K3 and full duplex capable for > satellite work. Elecraft has HF through 6m covered (yes, I'm aware of > the 2m module which is a "bridge" between the Hfer who wants VHF > capability in the K3 and the hard core denizen of the upper spectrum > who > would go for the K4), IMO, especially with the KX3 entering the > pipeline > soon. It's time for a superb rig for the upper part of the spectrum. > > 73, de Nate >> > > -- > > "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all > possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." > > Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://www.n0nb.us > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Musings on a K4
* On 2011 25 Jul 20:36 -0500, David Dietrich wrote: > I know that many would want to see a "do everything" K4. However, something > like that could price it beyond the reach of most. Also, keeping a rig > strictly HF keeps things simple and does not compromise performance. I'm now of the opposite opinion. Should there ever be a K4 I would hope for a 2m/70cm rig with the ability to choose modules of 222 MHz, 1.2 GHz, etc. with comparable specs to the K3 and full duplex capable for satellite work. Elecraft has HF through 6m covered (yes, I'm aware of the 2m module which is a "bridge" between the Hfer who wants VHF capability in the K3 and the hard core denizen of the upper spectrum who would go for the K4), IMO, especially with the KX3 entering the pipeline soon. It's time for a superb rig for the upper part of the spectrum. 73, de Nate >> -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://www.n0nb.us __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Musings on a K4
I know that many would want to see a "do everything" K4. However, something like that could price it beyond the reach of most. Also, keeping a rig strictly HF keeps things simple and does not compromise performance. Just my $0.02 for what it's worth. 73, David KC9EHQ Sent from my iPod __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Musings on a K4
> Will they go with a larger size transceiver based on SDR/QSD ala the > KX3? SDR/QSD would clearly be a step backward compared to the K3. Now, if you're talking about A-D "at the antenna" and a 120 dB dynamic range at all signal spacing from 50 Hz to 10 MHz, I'm all for it. However, the blocking issues with audio (I/Q) based SDR are well documented and are not compatible with high receiver performance in an environment with many signals/strong signals. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 7/25/2011 4:17 PM, Joseph Trombino, Jr wrote: > Howdy Gang: > > After the introduction to the new KX3, I've been wondering if Elecraft is > also giving us a look into a future K4 receiver architecture. > > Will they go with a larger size transceiver based on SDR/QSD ala the KX3?? > How about a P3 integrated into the K4??? > > Of course, dual receivers would be included, antenna tuner, etc. > > How about 160M-1.2ghz coverage with satellite capability to capture that > market too??? > > Fun thinking about what the future holds for us fortunate Elecraft fans. > > I wonder if I am too far off target??? (grin)what do you think?? > > 73, Joe W2KJ > I QRP, therefore I am > > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
