Re: [Elecraft] O.T. Morse is not dead, at least in the U.S. Navy

[Josh]

Neat!! Anyone know what "manual Morse" software learning package they're using? 
Or something proprietary developed by the Navy?

73
Josh W6XU

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Re: [Elecraft] O.T. Morse is not dead, at least in the U.S. Navy

[Mark via Elecraft]

Re:  http://www.navy.mil/submit/display.asp?story_id=92864

So, "The rumors of my death have been greatly exaggerated"???

Mark
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Re: [Elecraft] O.T. Morse is not dead, at least in the U.S. Navy

[Drew AF2Z]

Here is the beta version (from 70 years ago, hehe...)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTizFjjVXh0&t=14s

73,
Drew
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On 11/17/17 23:49, Josh wrote:

Neat!! Anyone know what "manual Morse" software learning package they're using? 
Or something proprietary developed by the Navy?

73
Josh W6XU



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Re: [Elecraft] O.T. Morse is not dead, at least in the U.S. Navy

[rich hurd WC3T]

A comment that was on a Facebook page reporting on this news item -- this
probably describes the "manual Morse" software package.LOL

"Am a graduate of the "Big ROOM". US Navy, CT R training, Corry Station way
you learned morse code circa '69. No self paced, no computers. More like
drill sergent style. Leader yells: di-dah!! Class yells back: ALPHA, while
typing character on manual typewriter. Day after day, letter after letter.
Did I EVER forget the code. No Way. I went through the Big Room. "

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On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 11:49 PM, Josh  wrote:

> Neat!! Anyone know what "manual Morse" software learning package they're
> using? Or something proprietary developed by the Navy?
>
> 73
> Josh W6XU
>
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> > On Nov 18, 2017, at 10:45 AM, Ron D'Eau Claire  wrote:
> >
> > http://www.navy.mil/submit/display.asp?story_id=92864
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> >
> >
> > 73, Ron AC7AC
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Re: [Elecraft] O.T. Morse is not dead, at least in the U.S. Navy

[Eric J]

No idea, but a lot of government produced work like this is publicly 
available if you can find it. Since we already paid for it through 
taxes, it is sometimes free.

No idea even where to start, but somebody here might know.

Eric KE6US


On 11/17/2017 8:49 PM, Josh wrote:
> Neat!! Anyone know what "manual Morse" software learning package they're 
> using? Or something proprietary developed by the Navy?
>
> 73
> Josh W6XU
>
> Sent from my mobile device
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>> On Nov 18, 2017, at 10:45 AM, Ron D'Eau Claire  wrote:
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>> http://www.navy.mil/submit/display.asp?story_id=92864
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Re: [Elecraft] O.T. Morse is not dead, at least in the U.S. Navy

[Richard Lamont]

On 18/11/17 03:45, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:

> http://www.navy.mil/submit/display.asp?story_id=92864

The people being trained by the US Navy to read Morse are intercept
operators.

"Morse code is just one tool that cryptologic technician (collection)
Sailors use as members of the Navy's Information Warfare community to
perform collection, analysis and reporting on communication signals."

There's nothing in this press release to suggest that the US Navy is
reverting to Morse for two-way communication.

73,
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Re: [Elecraft] O.T. Morse is not dead, at least in the U.S. Navy

[Richard Lamont]

On 18/11/17 05:43, Mark via Elecraft wrote:

> Re:  http://www.navy.mil/submit/display.asp?story_id=92864
> 
> So, "The rumors of my death have been greatly exaggerated"???

No, unfortunately for the CW evangelists, they haven't been.

The rumor that *is* being greatly exaggerated is that the US Navy is
'reverting to Morse' for its communications. There's no suggestion of
this in the press release cited.

What is happening is that the US Navy is *continuing* to train
*intercept operators* to read Morse. That is all. If you don't believe
me, read the press release.


73,
Richard G4DYA
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Re: [Elecraft] O.T. Morse is not dead, at least in the U.S. Navy

[Eric J]

Maybe not, but having intercept operators learn Morse code implies that 
SOMEBODY is using it that the US military wants to listen to. So Morse code is 
not dead.

Eric KE6US

On 11/19/2017 1:24 AM, Richard Lamont wrote:

On 18/11/17 03:45, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:



http://www.navy.mil/submit/display.asp?story_id=92864



The people being trained by the US Navy to read Morse are intercept
operators.

"Morse code is just one tool that cryptologic technician (collection)
Sailors use as members of the Navy's Information Warfare community to
perform collection, analysis and reporting on communication signals."

There's nothing in this press release to suggest that the US Navy is
reverting to Morse for two-way communication.

73,
Richard G4DYA
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Re: [Elecraft] O.T. Morse is not dead, at least in the U.S. Navy

[Fred Jensen]

True ... however "someone" must be using Morse or there wouldn't be any 
communications to intercept. [:-)  Maybe the US Navy is intercepting 
us?  There was a recent URL posted involving using the venerable signal 
lamps for high speed communications between ships.  I don't think it was 
Morse however.


73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 11/19/2017 1:24 AM, Richard Lamont wrote:

On 18/11/17 03:45, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:


http://www.navy.mil/submit/display.asp?story_id=92864

The people being trained by the US Navy to read Morse are intercept
operators.

"Morse code is just one tool that cryptologic technician (collection)
Sailors use as members of the Navy's Information Warfare community to
perform collection, analysis and reporting on communication signals."

There's nothing in this press release to suggest that the US Navy is
reverting to Morse for two-way communication.

73,
Richard G4DYA



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Re: [Elecraft] O.T. Morse is not dead, at least in the U.S. Navy

[Fred Jensen]

True ... however "someone" must be using Morse or there wouldn't be any 
communications to intercept. [:-)  Maybe the US Navy is intercepting 
us?  There was a recent URL posted involving using the venerable signal 
lamps for high speed communications between ships.  I don't think it was 
Morse however.


73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 11/19/2017 1:24 AM, Richard Lamont wrote:

On 18/11/17 03:45, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:


http://www.navy.mil/submit/display.asp?story_id=92864

The people being trained by the US Navy to read Morse are intercept
operators.

"Morse code is just one tool that cryptologic technician (collection)
Sailors use as members of the Navy's Information Warfare community to
perform collection, analysis and reporting on communication signals."

There's nothing in this press release to suggest that the US Navy is
reverting to Morse for two-way communication.

73,
Richard G4DYA



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Re: [Elecraft] O.T. Morse is not dead, at least in the U.S. Navy

[dyarnes]

Fred and All,

I think Morse is exactly what they are using with the signal lamps.  The 
article I read about this confirmed that.

Dave W7AQK



-

There was a recent URL posted involving using the venerable signal 
lamps for high speed communications between ships.? I don't think it was 
Morse however.

73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

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Re: [Elecraft] O.T. Morse is not dead, at least in the U.S. Navy

[Doug Smith]

Yes, it is morse code although the protocol is very different.  

For example, to call a distant (unknown) ship you point your big light at them 
and send AA.  The proper response is a lng T.  There’s a book carried 
aboard all ships that documents the protocols.  I have a copy here somewhere..

But it was NOT what you’d call high speed so Skip might have been referring to 
something else entirely.

And, yes, I have done ship to ship comms using signal lights.  It was in the 
Red Sea and Persian Gulf during Desert Storm.  Didn’t use them at all during 
OIF-I or OIF-II (2003, 2004).

(If interested further please contact me off-list.  I don’t want to prolong a 
marginally off-topic thread here..)

73,
Doug, W7KF
http://www.w7kf.com 


> On Nov 19, 2017, at 7:48 PM, dyarnes  wrote:
> 
> Fred and All,
> 
> I think Morse is exactly what they are using with the signal lamps.  The 
> article I read about this confirmed that.
> 
> Dave W7AQK

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Re: [Elecraft] O.T. Morse is not dead, at least in the U.S. Navy

[Kevin Cozens]

On 2017-11-19 04:24 AM, Richard Lamont wrote:

The people being trained by the US Navy to read Morse are intercept
operators.


The article indicated that they are only learning morse for a standard latin 
(ie. English) alphabet. A number of years ago I visited the radio room while 
on a boat cruise in the Caribbean. The radio operator was copying down morse 
coming in over the radio. I tried to see what I could copy in my head but I 
couldn't make sense of it. When I looked at what the radio operator was 
writing down it was Greek. I don't mean as in "it was Greek to me" but that 
it was actually in the Greek language. The US Navy morse interceptors will 
need to be able to copy morse in multiple languages to be truly effective.


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Re: [Elecraft] O.T. Morse is not dead, at least in the U.S. Navy

[Richard S. Leary]

Kevin,
My two cents worth. I was a USAF Morse Intercept Operator for almost 8
years. Started in Mar 1955. School was 7 months. Of that, CW training was 3+
hours a day, 5 days a week, for 7 months. Graduating speed requirement was
20 wpm. I started knowing zilch, ended up school at 23 wpm. Characters
taught then were A thru Z, 1 thru 0, plus "special characters". Total
character count was in excess of 45 characters. Some special characters were
colon (:), semi-colon (;), ampersand (&), dollar ($), exclamation point (!),
quotes ("), plus other normal punctuation marks. I worked as a MIO for 6 1/2
years in Europe. Germany, Turkey, and England. Consecutive tours. We copied
CW as it was sent. If it ended up looking like Greek, or any other language,
it was still CW, but transcribed onto paper, as whatever was sent. No
computers back then, just a pair of Hammerlund SP-600's, R-390's or 51J's,
and a Royal or Remington manual mil spec typewriter, and lots of 6 ply, fan
fold paper with carbons. In Turkey, the building next to our ops area was
Navy ops. Their CT's were reknown for being pretty excellent operators. Glad
to see the Navy MIO's back.  Just my $0.02 worth.

73,  Rick, W7LKG


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On 2017-11-19 04:24 AM, Richard Lamont wrote:
> The people being trained by the US Navy to read Morse are intercept 
> operators.

The article indicated that they are only learning morse for a standard latin
(ie. English) alphabet. A number of years ago I visited the radio room while
on a boat cruise in the Caribbean. The radio operator was copying down morse
coming in over the radio. I tried to see what I could copy in my head but I
couldn't make sense of it. When I looked at what the radio operator was
writing down it was Greek. I don't mean as in "it was Greek to me" but that
it was actually in the Greek language. The US Navy morse interceptors will
need to be able to copy morse in multiple languages to be truly effective.

--
Cheers!

Kevin.

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Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172  | the mouth-breathers, and that's why we're
 | powerful!"
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Re: [Elecraft] O.T. Morse is not dead, at least in the U.S. Navy

[Bob McGraw K4TAX]

One of my class mates signed up for the Navy right after graduation from 
High School.  He ended up being a radio operator. Has retold the story 
many times of several ops sitting in front of a mill {typewriter} and 
all were copying the same message from multiple receivers.  The average 
message speed ran somewhat above 20 WPM.  In one instance a message was 
sent from command that a very large message of several thousand word 
groups was to be sent.  The best operators were assigned to the duty.  
He says they copied a thousand word groups and then sending station 
would break for confirmation.  His response to the sending station was 
RR QRQ.  {Roger Roger Send Faster}


73

Bob, K4TAX


On 11/20/2017 3:34 AM, Richard S. Leary wrote:

Kevin,
My two cents worth. I was a USAF Morse Intercept Operator for almost 8
years. Started in Mar 1955. School was 7 months. Of that, CW training was 3+
hours a day, 5 days a week, for 7 months. Graduating speed requirement was
20 wpm. I started knowing zilch, ended up school at 23 wpm. Characters
taught then were A thru Z, 1 thru 0, plus "special characters". Total
character count was in excess of 45 characters. Some special characters were
colon (:), semi-colon (;), ampersand (&), dollar ($), exclamation point (!),
quotes ("), plus other normal punctuation marks. I worked as a MIO for 6 1/2
years in Europe. Germany, Turkey, and England. Consecutive tours. We copied
CW as it was sent. If it ended up looking like Greek, or any other language,
it was still CW, but transcribed onto paper, as whatever was sent. No
computers back then, just a pair of Hammerlund SP-600's, R-390's or 51J's,
and a Royal or Remington manual mil spec typewriter, and lots of 6 ply, fan
fold paper with carbons. In Turkey, the building next to our ops area was
Navy ops. Their CT's were reknown for being pretty excellent operators. Glad
to see the Navy MIO's back.  Just my $0.02 worth.

73,  Rick, W7LKG


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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] O.T. Morse is not dead, at least in the U.S. Navy

On 2017-11-19 04:24 AM, Richard Lamont wrote:

The people being trained by the US Navy to read Morse are intercept
operators.

The article indicated that they are only learning morse for a standard latin
(ie. English) alphabet. A number of years ago I visited the radio room while
on a boat cruise in the Caribbean. The radio operator was copying down morse
coming in over the radio. I tried to see what I could copy in my head but I
couldn't make sense of it. When I looked at what the radio operator was
writing down it was Greek. I don't mean as in "it was Greek to me" but that
it was actually in the Greek language. The US Navy morse interceptors will
need to be able to copy morse in multiple languages to be truly effective.

--
Cheers!

Kevin.

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Re: [Elecraft] O.T. Morse is not dead, at least in the U.S. Navy

[Stewart]

On 11/20/2017 4:34 AM, Richard S. Leary wrote:

Kevin,
My two cents worth. I was a USAF Morse Intercept Operator for almost 8
years. Started in Mar 1955. School was 7 months. Of that, CW training was 3+
hours a day, 5 days a week, for 7 months. Graduating speed requirement was
20 wpm. I started knowing zilch, ended up school at 23 wpm. Characters
taught then were A thru Z, 1 thru 0, plus "special characters". Total
character count was in excess of 45 characters. Some special characters were
colon (:), semi-colon (;), ampersand (&), dollar ($), exclamation point (!),
quotes ("), plus other normal punctuation marks. I worked as a MIO for 6 1/2
years in Europe. Germany, Turkey, and England. Consecutive tours. We copied
CW as it was sent. If it ended up looking like Greek, or any other language,
it was still CW, but transcribed onto paper, as whatever was sent. No
computers back then, just a pair of Hammerlund SP-600's, R-390's or 51J's,
and a Royal or Remington manual mil spec typewriter, and lots of 6 ply, fan
fold paper with carbons. In Turkey, the building next to our ops area was
Navy ops. Their CT's were reknown for being pretty excellent operators. Glad
to see the Navy MIO's back.  Just my $0.02 worth.

73,  Rick, W7LKG



Rick,
Looks like you were at Karamursel, I was there 1962-63, Navy Ops.
73
Stew ke4yh  CTTC USN Ret.

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Re: [Elecraft] O.T. Morse is not dead, at least in the U.S. Navy

[Phil Kane]

On 11/19/2017 1:31 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:

> There's nothing in this press release to suggest that the US Navy is
> reverting to Morse for two-way communication.

One never knows.  Almost 40 years ago I was an observer TDY at a major
USN Communication Station when one of the periodical drills required
suspension of satellite circuits and reversion to HF message
transmissions for a day.  It worked.

I do know that the USCG had stopped Morse coverage many years ago, but
until this year, their COMSPAC station (NMC) staffed by retired
"Coasties" who were Morse operators "back then" would "go Morse" on
several MF and HF channels for the "Night of Nights" event held by the
Maritime Radio Historical Society.  AFAIK this year would be the last
one because the transmitter that was configured for that event was being
replaced by one required other duties.


73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
Elecraft K2/100   s/n 5402

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Re: [Elecraft] O.T. Morse is not dead, at least in the U.S. Navy

[Fred Jensen]

OK, what's different then from WW2 signal lamp usage?  I thought they 
were using a modified lamp with QRQ Morse decoded in some sort of 
hardward/software device, or a digital mode.


73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 11/19/2017 6:48 PM, dyarnes wrote:

Fred and All,

I think Morse is exactly what they are using with the signal lamps.  The 
article I read about this confirmed that.

Dave W7AQK



-

There was a recent URL posted involving using the venerable signal
lamps for high speed communications between ships.? I don't think it was
Morse however.

73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

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Re: [Elecraft] O.T. Morse is not dead, at least in the U.S. Navy

[Richard S. Leary]

Yep, that's where I was, Nov 57 to Nov 58. I see you were there when it was not 
"mudsite" anymore. Wonder if the Picadilly was still there?
Have a wonderful Thanksgiving.

73, Rick, W7LKG, MSgt USAF (Ret)

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[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Stewart
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2017 08:57
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
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On 11/20/2017 4:34 AM, Richard S. Leary wrote:
> Kevin,
> My two cents worth. I was a USAF Morse Intercept Operator for almost 8 
> years. Started in Mar 1955. School was 7 months. Of that, CW training 
> was 3+ hours a day, 5 days a week, for 7 months. Graduating speed 
> requirement was
> 20 wpm. I started knowing zilch, ended up school at 23 wpm. Characters 
> taught then were A thru Z, 1 thru 0, plus "special characters". Total 
> character count was in excess of 45 characters. Some special 
> characters were colon (:), semi-colon (;), ampersand (&), dollar ($), 
> exclamation point (!), quotes ("), plus other normal punctuation 
> marks. I worked as a MIO for 6 1/2 years in Europe. Germany, Turkey, 
> and England. Consecutive tours. We copied CW as it was sent. If it 
> ended up looking like Greek, or any other language, it was still CW, 
> but transcribed onto paper, as whatever was sent. No computers back 
> then, just a pair of Hammerlund SP-600's, R-390's or 51J's, and a 
> Royal or Remington manual mil spec typewriter, and lots of 6 ply, fan 
> fold paper with carbons. In Turkey, the building next to our ops area 
> was Navy ops. Their CT's were reknown for being pretty excellent operators. 
> Glad to see the Navy MIO's back.  Just my $0.02 worth.
>
> 73,  Rick, W7LKG
>
>
Rick,
Looks like you were at Karamursel, I was there 1962-63, Navy Ops.
73
Stew ke4yh  CTTC USN Ret.

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Re: [Elecraft] O.T. Morse is not dead, at least in the U.S. Navy

[Ron D'Eau Claire]

Fred, it's called LiFi and uses the ability of LED light sources to handle high 
frequency modulation to send data securely since one has to intercept the 
actual beam to even get the data, much less decode the information. Apparently 
pretty high data rates are possible with the system. 

Here's a press article from about a year ago.

http://dailycaller.com/2016/08/10/revamped-100-year-old-lamp-will-help-the-navy-counter-russia-and-china/

I'm sure we Hams will find a use for the technology, Hi! 

Way back in 1955 when I was in High School I created a very popular display 
that used my S-38 receiver tuned to a popular station. Current powering a 6V 
lantern passed through the S38's audio output transformer to modulate the 
light. The lighet was received by a photoelectric tube across the table, 
amplified and the sound of the radio station played in a remote speaker. The 
sound could be interrupted by passing one's hand in from of the light. 

Even though it was an incandescent bulb with its thermal lag, it still 
reproduced good AM quality audio.

It was good enough (in 1955) that I was encouraged to display it at the annual 
Science Fair where it worked too well. Someone stole the photoelectric tube 
from the display before it could be judged -- but I still got an A on the 
project! 

73, Ron AC7AC
  

-Original Message-
From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net 
[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Fred Jensen
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2017 12:34 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] O.T. Morse is not dead, at least in the U.S. Navy

OK, what's different then from WW2 signal lamp usage?  I thought they were 
using a modified lamp with QRQ Morse decoded in some sort of hardward/software 
device, or a digital mode.

73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County


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Re: [Elecraft] O.T. Morse is not dead, at least in the U.S. Navy

[Walter Underwood]

About training intercept operators … I doubt that Morse is used very often by 
the opposition, even with good code books. But if we stopped training people to 
read it, that would be a vulnerability.

wunder
K6WRU
Walter Underwood
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)

> On Nov 21, 2017, at 8:34 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire  wrote:
> 
> Fred, it's called LiFi and uses the ability of LED light sources to handle 
> high frequency modulation to send data securely since one has to intercept 
> the actual beam to even get the data, much less decode the information. 
> Apparently pretty high data rates are possible with the system. 
> 
> Here's a press article from about a year ago.
> 
> http://dailycaller.com/2016/08/10/revamped-100-year-old-lamp-will-help-the-navy-counter-russia-and-china/
> 
> I'm sure we Hams will find a use for the technology, Hi! 
> 
> Way back in 1955 when I was in High School I created a very popular display 
> that used my S-38 receiver tuned to a popular station. Current powering a 6V 
> lantern passed through the S38's audio output transformer to modulate the 
> light. The lighet was received by a photoelectric tube across the table, 
> amplified and the sound of the radio station played in a remote speaker. The 
> sound could be interrupted by passing one's hand in from of the light. 
> 
> Even though it was an incandescent bulb with its thermal lag, it still 
> reproduced good AM quality audio.
> 
> It was good enough (in 1955) that I was encouraged to display it at the 
> annual Science Fair where it worked too well. Someone stole the photoelectric 
> tube from the display before it could be judged -- but I still got an A on 
> the project! 
> 
> 73, Ron AC7AC
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net 
> [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Fred Jensen
> Sent: Monday, November 20, 2017 12:34 PM
> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] O.T. Morse is not dead, at least in the U.S. Navy
> 
> OK, what's different then from WW2 signal lamp usage?  I thought they were 
> using a modified lamp with QRQ Morse decoded in some sort of 
> hardward/software device, or a digital mode.
> 
> 73,
> 
> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
> Sparks NV DM09dn
> Washoe County
> 
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] O.T. Morse is not dead, at least in the U.S. Navy

[donovanf]

Hi Walter, 


Your doubts have no basis in reality. Many nations -- but not modern 
western nations -- still use Morse for military communications, 
especially tactical comms. 


73 
Frank 
W3LPL 

- Original Message -

From: "Walter Underwood"  
To: "Elecraft"  
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2017 4:42:24 AM 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] O.T. Morse is not dead, at least in the U.S. Navy 

About training intercept operators … I doubt that Morse is used very often by 
the opposition, even with good code books. But if we stopped training people to 
read it, that would be a vulnerability. 

wunder 
K6WRU 
Walter Underwood 
CM87wj 
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) 

> On Nov 21, 2017, at 8:34 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire  wrote: 
> 
> Fred, it's called LiFi and uses the ability of LED light sources to handle 
> high frequency modulation to send data securely since one has to intercept 
> the actual beam to even get the data, much less decode the information. 
> Apparently pretty high data rates are possible with the system. 
> 
> Here's a press article from about a year ago. 
> 
> http://dailycaller.com/2016/08/10/revamped-100-year-old-lamp-will-help-the-navy-counter-russia-and-china/
>  
> 
> I'm sure we Hams will find a use for the technology, Hi! 
> 
> Way back in 1955 when I was in High School I created a very popular display 
> that used my S-38 receiver tuned to a popular station. Current powering a 6V 
> lantern passed through the S38's audio output transformer to modulate the 
> light. The lighet was received by a photoelectric tube across the table, 
> amplified and the sound of the radio station played in a remote speaker. The 
> sound could be interrupted by passing one's hand in from of the light. 
> 
> Even though it was an incandescent bulb with its thermal lag, it still 
> reproduced good AM quality audio. 
> 
> It was good enough (in 1955) that I was encouraged to display it at the 
> annual Science Fair where it worked too well. Someone stole the photoelectric 
> tube from the display before it could be judged -- but I still got an A on 
> the project! 
> 
> 73, Ron AC7AC 
> 
> 
> -Original Message- 
> From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net 
> [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Fred Jensen 
> Sent: Monday, November 20, 2017 12:34 PM 
> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net 
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] O.T. Morse is not dead, at least in the U.S. Navy 
> 
> OK, what's different then from WW2 signal lamp usage? I thought they were 
> using a modified lamp with QRQ Morse decoded in some sort of 
> hardward/software device, or a digital mode. 
> 
> 73, 
> 
> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW 
> Sparks NV DM09dn 
> Washoe County 
> 
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] O.T. Morse is not dead, at least in the U.S. Navy

[Walter Underwood]

Perhaps. But when I was doing spook tech in the early 1980’s, modern western 
nations were already using encrypted digital modes. Encryption was strong 
enough that tactical intelligence focused on non-content approaches. 35 years 
later, I would expect that tech to be widespread. Some of what we did showed up 
in HP products only ten years later.

wunder
K6WRU
Walter Underwood
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)

> On Nov 21, 2017, at 8:50 PM, donov...@starpower.net wrote:
> 
> Hi Walter,
> 
> Your doubts have no basis in reality.   Many nations -- but not modern
> western nations -- still use Morse for military communications,
> especially tactical comms.
> 
> 73
> Frank
> W3LPL
> 
> From: "Walter Underwood"  <mailto:wun...@wunderwood.org>>
> To: "Elecraft" mailto:elecraft@mailman.qth.net>>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2017 4:42:24 AM
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] O.T. Morse is not dead, at least in the U.S. Navy
> 
> About training intercept operators … I doubt that Morse is used very often by 
> the opposition, even with good code books. But if we stopped training people 
> to read it, that would be a vulnerability.
> 
> wunder
> K6WRU
> Walter Underwood
> CM87wj
> http://observer.wunderwood.org/ <http://observer.wunderwood.org/> (my blog)
> 
> > On Nov 21, 2017, at 8:34 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire  > <mailto:r...@cobi.biz>> wrote:
> > 
> > Fred, it's called LiFi and uses the ability of LED light sources to handle 
> > high frequency modulation to send data securely since one has to intercept 
> > the actual beam to even get the data, much less decode the information. 
> > Apparently pretty high data rates are possible with the system. 
> > 
> > Here's a press article from about a year ago.
> > 
> > http://dailycaller.com/2016/08/10/revamped-100-year-old-lamp-will-help-the-navy-counter-russia-and-china/
> >  
> > <http://dailycaller.com/2016/08/10/revamped-100-year-old-lamp-will-help-the-navy-counter-russia-and-china/>
> > 
> > I'm sure we Hams will find a use for the technology, Hi! 
> > 
> > Way back in 1955 when I was in High School I created a very popular display 
> > that used my S-38 receiver tuned to a popular station. Current powering a 
> > 6V lantern passed through the S38's audio output transformer to modulate 
> > the light. The lighet was received by a photoelectric tube across the 
> > table, amplified and the sound of the radio station played in a remote 
> > speaker. The sound could be interrupted by passing one's hand in from of 
> > the light. 
> > 
> > Even though it was an incandescent bulb with its thermal lag, it still 
> > reproduced good AM quality audio.
> > 
> > It was good enough (in 1955) that I was encouraged to display it at the 
> > annual Science Fair where it worked too well. Someone stole the 
> > photoelectric tube from the display before it could be judged -- but I 
> > still got an A on the project! 
> > 
> > 73, Ron AC7AC
> > 
> > 
> > -Original Message-----
> > From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net 
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> > [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net 
> > <mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net>] On Behalf Of Fred Jensen
> > Sent: Monday, November 20, 2017 12:34 PM
> > To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net <mailto:elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] O.T. Morse is not dead, at least in the U.S. Navy
> > 
> > OK, what's different then from WW2 signal lamp usage?  I thought they were 
> > using a modified lamp with QRQ Morse decoded in some sort of 
> > hardward/software device, or a digital mode.
> > 
> > 73,
> > 
> > Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
> > Sparks NV DM09dn
> > Washoe County
> > 
> > 
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Re: [Elecraft] O.T. Morse is not dead, at least in the U.S. Navy

[Bill Frantz]

Back in the day, when people used modems with a LED that blinked 
when transmissions were occurring, someone aimed a telescope at 
the LED and was able to intercept the modem's transmission since 
the LED was operated from the output data stream. When people 
started experimenting, data rates of up to 1 megabit/second were 
achieved. Think about the possibilites for field day. :-)


73 Bill AE6JV

On 11/21/17 at 8:34 PM, r...@cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) wrote:

Fred, it's called LiFi and uses the ability of LED light 
sources to handle high frequency modulation to send data 
securely since one has to intercept the actual beam to even get 
the data, much less decode the information. Apparently pretty 
high data rates are possible with the system.

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