Re: [Elecraft] solder iron correct temp in C for K3

2012-04-27 Thread David Ferrington, M0XDF
Or of course, use a converter program on your smart phone!!!
;-)

73 de David, M0XDF

On 27 Apr 2012, at 04:59, Don Wilhelm wrote:

 Actually, the conversion is easier to remember than those two formulas.
 The two scales coincide at -40 degrees.
 So for the conversion (either way) first add 40.
 Then if the conversion is from Centigrade to Fahrenheit multiply by 9/5 
 (you will be going to a greater number), but if the conversion is from 
 Fahrenheit to Celcius, multiply by 5/9 (because the result will be a 
 smaller number).  Finally, subtract 40 to get your result.
 
 The skeptical may try several passes with their remembering when to add 
 or subtract 32 degrees, but this formula always works.

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Re: [Elecraft] solder iron correct temp in C for K3

2012-04-27 Thread KU7Y
I just push the switch on my Weller and watch it change from F to C.

I love simple.  Hehehehehe

OK, back in my hole,

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Re: [Elecraft] solder iron correct temp in C for K3

2012-04-27 Thread Monty Shultes
Another trick, you can do C-F in your head:

Double the centigrade temperature, subtract 10% from the product, and add 32 to 
get Fahrenheit.
   10 degrees C =  (2*10-2) + 32 = 50 degrees F

F-C is not so slick, but works:
Subtract 32 from the Fahrenheit temperature, add 11% of the result to itself 
and divide by 2
   50 degrees F =((50-32) + 1.98)/2 = 10 degrees C.



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Re: [Elecraft] solder iron correct temp in C for K3

2012-04-27 Thread hawley, charles j jr
I've always liked this one because it demonstrates a real understanding, that 
there are 1.8 F deg in one C deg. And you can deal with the endpoints from 
either conversion direction.
Chuck, KE9UW
aka Jack, BMW Motorcycles

Chuck, KE9UW
aka Jack, BMW Motorcycles


From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] on 
behalf of Matt Zilmer [mzil...@verizon.net]
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 11:49 PM
To: d...@w3fpr.com
Cc: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] solder iron correct temp in C for K3

Nice memory aid!

matt

On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 23:59:05 -0400, you wrote:

Actually, the conversion is easier to remember than those two formulas.
The two scales coincide at -40 degrees.
So for the conversion (either way) first add 40.
Then if the conversion is from Centigrade to Fahrenheit multiply by 9/5
(you will be going to a greater number), but if the conversion is from
Fahrenheit to Celcius, multiply by 5/9 (because the result will be a
smaller number).  Finally, subtract 40 to get your result.

The skeptical may try several passes with their remembering when to add
or subtract 32 degrees, but this formula always works.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 4/26/2012 10:10 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:
 On 4/26/2012 4:26 PM, W9HAK wrote:
 I have a new solder iron that is temperature controlled in degrees
 C. What temp should I set the iron for work on  the K3? I am using
 60/40 rosin core, small diameter solder. While using solder wick to
 clean out the holes from the 12 dc mod kit I used 300c and dipped the
 wick in solder flux. I pulled the solder wick across the land when
 the solder was liquid, it cleaned the holes on the first pass.
 F = 32 + (9 * C) / 5
 C = [(F-32) * 5] / 9

 73,

 Fred K6DGW
 - Northern California Contest Club
 - CU in the 2012 Cal QSO Party 6-7 Oct 2012
 - www.cqp.org
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Re: [Elecraft] solder iron correct temp in C for K3

2012-04-27 Thread David O'Leary
On 4/27/2012 6:55 AM, elecraft-requ...@mailman.qth.net wrote:
 Re: [Elecraft] solder iron correct temp in C for K3

I try to minimize the number of formulas I need to remember.
This one has served me well
1.8C=F-32
Replace the known value, and solve for the unknown.

Or if you only need to be close enough for government work, you can do 
it in your head and use 2 instead of 1.8, and use a bit of Kentucky 
windage to reduce the result a smidge.

-- 


*David O'Leary*
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Re: [Elecraft] solder iron correct temp in C for K3

2012-04-27 Thread N5GE

What do all these metric conversion posts have to do with the OP's question?

He asked what the temperature of his iron should be to solder K3 boards and
received the CORRECT ANSWER almost immediately.

Amateur Radio Operator N5GE
ARRL Lifetime Member
QCWA Lifetime Member

On Fri, 27 Apr 2012 12:47:23 +, hawley, charles j jr
c-haw...@illinois.edu wrote:

I've always liked this one because it demonstrates a real understanding, that 
there are 1.8 F deg in one C deg. And you can deal with the endpoints from 
either conversion direction.
Chuck, KE9UW
aka Jack, BMW Motorcycles

Chuck, KE9UW
aka Jack, BMW Motorcycles


From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] on 
behalf of Matt Zilmer [mzil...@verizon.net]
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 11:49 PM
To: d...@w3fpr.com
Cc: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] solder iron correct temp in C for K3

Nice memory aid!

matt

On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 23:59:05 -0400, you wrote:

Actually, the conversion is easier to remember than those two formulas.
The two scales coincide at -40 degrees.
So for the conversion (either way) first add 40.
Then if the conversion is from Centigrade to Fahrenheit multiply by 9/5
(you will be going to a greater number), but if the conversion is from
Fahrenheit to Celcius, multiply by 5/9 (because the result will be a
smaller number).  Finally, subtract 40 to get your result.

The skeptical may try several passes with their remembering when to add
or subtract 32 degrees, but this formula always works.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 4/26/2012 10:10 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:
 On 4/26/2012 4:26 PM, W9HAK wrote:
 I have a new solder iron that is temperature controlled in degrees
 C. What temp should I set the iron for work on  the K3? I am using
 60/40 rosin core, small diameter solder. While using solder wick to
 clean out the holes from the 12 dc mod kit I used 300c and dipped the
 wick in solder flux. I pulled the solder wick across the land when
 the solder was liquid, it cleaned the holes on the first pass.
 F = 32 + (9 * C) / 5
 C = [(F-32) * 5] / 9

 73,

 Fred K6DGW
 - Northern California Contest Club
 - CU in the 2012 Cal QSO Party 6-7 Oct 2012
 - www.cqp.org
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Re: [Elecraft] solder iron correct temp in C for K3

2012-04-27 Thread Terry Schieler
Pretty cool trick, Monty.  But I'll stick with just touching the tip of the 
iron to my tongue.  Much less painful than doin' the math!  ;o)

Terry, W0FM



-Original Message-
From: Monty Shultes [mailto:mon...@mindspring.com] 
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 5:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] solder iron correct temp in C for K3

Another trick, you can do C-F in your head:

Double the centigrade temperature, subtract 10% from the product, and add 32 to 
get Fahrenheit.
   10 degrees C =  (2*10-2) + 32 = 50 degrees F

F-C is not so slick, but works:
Subtract 32 from the Fahrenheit temperature, add 11% of the result to itself 
and divide by 2
   50 degrees F =((50-32) + 1.98)/2 = 10 degrees C.





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Re: [Elecraft] solder iron correct temp in C for K3

2012-04-27 Thread Bill K9YEQ
How simple.  It goes into my desktop reference.  Thanks, Don!

73,
Bill
K9YEQ

-Original Message-
From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Don Wilhelm
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 10:59 PM
To: k6...@foothill.net
Cc: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] solder iron correct temp in C for K3

Actually, the conversion is easier to remember than those two formulas.
The two scales coincide at -40 degrees.
So for the conversion (either way) first add 40.
Then if the conversion is from Centigrade to Fahrenheit multiply by 9/5 (you
will be going to a greater number), but if the conversion is from Fahrenheit
to Celcius, multiply by 5/9 (because the result will be a smaller number).
Finally, subtract 40 to get your result.

The skeptical may try several passes with their remembering when to add or
subtract 32 degrees, but this formula always works.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 4/26/2012 10:10 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:
 On 4/26/2012 4:26 PM, W9HAK wrote:
 I have a new solder iron that is temperature controlled in degrees C. 
 What temp should I set the iron for work on  the K3? I am using
 60/40 rosin core, small diameter solder. While using solder wick to 
 clean out the holes from the 12 dc mod kit I used 300c and dipped the 
 wick in solder flux. I pulled the solder wick across the land when 
 the solder was liquid, it cleaned the holes on the first pass.
 F = 32 + (9 * C) / 5
 C = [(F-32) * 5] / 9

 73,

 Fred K6DGW
 - Northern California Contest Club
 - CU in the 2012 Cal QSO Party 6-7 Oct 2012
 - www.cqp.org


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Re: [Elecraft] solder iron correct temp in C for K3

2012-04-27 Thread Bill K9YEQ
:-)  Funny!

73,
Bill
K9YEQ


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[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Terry Schieler
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 11:45 AM
To: 'Monty Shultes'
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] solder iron correct temp in C for K3

Pretty cool trick, Monty.  But I'll stick with just touching the tip of the
iron to my tongue.  Much less painful than doin' the math!  ;o)

Terry, W0FM

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Re: [Elecraft] solder iron correct temp in C for K3

2012-04-27 Thread Randy Farmer
It won't work for SMD stuff, but over the years I've had great success 
using a classic Ungar 27W cartridge (which I seem to remember was around 
850°F) with a screw-ON 1/8 screwdriver tip for just about everything 
but the heaviest jobs. This includes lots of building stuff with 
standard through-hole DIP components. I never overcooked anything. The 
beauty of a big hot iron is it lets you get in, heat the work and get 
off quickly. Low wattage irons just cook the components and the board. 
Nowadays, like everybody else, I use a very small iron that produces a 
750°F tip temperature for the small parts and dense connector pins, but 
I still use the old one for most everything else. It's the curse of the 
OFs: our eyesight continually gets worse as the parts continually get 
smaller.

73...
Randy, W8FN

On 04/26/2012 18:26, W9HAK wrote:
 I have a new solder iron that is temperature
 controlled in degrees C.
 What temp should I set the iron for work on  the
 K3? I am using 60/40
 rosin core, small diameter solder. While using
 solder wick to clean out
 the holes from the 12 dc mod kit I used 300c and
 dipped the wick in
 solder flux. I pulled the solder wick across the
 land when the solder
 was liquid, it cleaned the holes on the first pass.

 Smith Bradford
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Re: [Elecraft] solder iron correct temp in C for K3

2012-04-27 Thread KQ8M
Randy,

I must make a comment about a couple of your statements.

One, we are age challenged not OF's. Come on got to be PC. Eh?

The other is the parts aren't actually getting smaller. We have to hold them
farther away cause of our glasses so they look smaller!

OK, it was all tongue in check. The blasted things are getting so darn small
even magnifying glasses don't work for this OF's eyes!

Tim Herrick, KQ8M
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-Original Message-
From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Randy Farmer
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 2:15 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] solder iron correct temp in C for K3

It won't work for SMD stuff, but over the years I've had great success 
using a classic Ungar 27W cartridge (which I seem to remember was around 
850°F) with a screw-ON 1/8 screwdriver tip for just about everything 
but the heaviest jobs. This includes lots of building stuff with 
standard through-hole DIP components. I never overcooked anything. The 
beauty of a big hot iron is it lets you get in, heat the work and get 
off quickly. Low wattage irons just cook the components and the board. 
Nowadays, like everybody else, I use a very small iron that produces a 
750°F tip temperature for the small parts and dense connector pins, but 
I still use the old one for most everything else. It's the curse of the 
OFs: our eyesight continually gets worse as the parts continually get 
smaller.

73...
Randy, W8FN

On 04/26/2012 18:26, W9HAK wrote:
 I have a new solder iron that is temperature
 controlled in degrees C.
 What temp should I set the iron for work on  the
 K3? I am using 60/40
 rosin core, small diameter solder. While using
 solder wick to clean out
 the holes from the 12 dc mod kit I used 300c and
 dipped the wick in
 solder flux. I pulled the solder wick across the
 land when the solder
 was liquid, it cleaned the holes on the first pass.

 Smith Bradford
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Re: [Elecraft] solder iron correct temp in C for K3

2012-04-27 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
I cheat. My Hakko soldering station is calibrated in both C and F

Ron AC7AC

-Original Message-

Another trick, you can do C-F in your head:

Double the centigrade temperature, subtract 10% from the product, and add 32
to get Fahrenheit.
   10 degrees C =  (2*10-2) + 32 = 50 degrees F

F-C is not so slick, but works:
Subtract 32 from the Fahrenheit temperature, add 11% of the result to itself
and divide by 2
   50 degrees F =((50-32) + 1.98)/2 = 10 degrees C.

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Re: [Elecraft] solder iron correct temp in C for K3

2012-04-26 Thread Don Wilhelm
Smith,

I suggest you increase the iron temperature to 400 degC (750 degF).

The other suggestion I can offer is to use 63/37 allow solder (eutectic) 
with a mildly reactive flux (such as Kester 287).  Save the large 
diameter Kester 44 (highly reactive flux) for antenna work and other 
jobs where there may be a substantial amount of oxidation on the leads

73,
Don W3FPR

On 4/26/2012 7:26 PM, W9HAK wrote:
 I have a new solder iron that is temperature
 controlled in degrees C.
 What temp should I set the iron for work on  the
 K3? I am using 60/40
 rosin core, small diameter solder. While using
 solder wick to clean out
 the holes from the 12 dc mod kit I used 300c and
 dipped the wick in
 solder flux. I pulled the solder wick across the
 land when the solder
 was liquid, it cleaned the holes on the first pass.

 Smith Bradford
 W9HAK


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Re: [Elecraft] solder iron correct temp in C for K3

2012-04-26 Thread david Moes
I usually go between 370C and 400C  or about (700F-750F) for most jobs. 
Setting your iron to low will mean that it will take longer for the 
solder to melt and giving more time for the heat to travel into the 
component and possible damage.when working on boat-anchors with 
point to point wiring, I go a little hotter when desoldering.  but for 
the K3 375C (700F) will be fine.  personally I prefer 63/37 solder   it 
has a much shorter plastic temperature range where the solder is more 
like a slush and will make cold joints.

Davd Moes
VE3DVY


  I On 4/26/2012 7:26 PM, W9HAK wrote:
 I have a new solder iron that is temperature
 controlled in degrees C.
 What temp should I set the iron for work on  the
 K3? I am using 60/40
 rosin core, small diameter solder. While using
 solder wick to clean out
 the holes from the 12 dc mod kit I used 300c and
 dipped the wick in
 solder flux. I pulled the solder wick across the
 land when the solder
 was liquid, it cleaned the holes on the first pass.

 Smith Bradford
 W9HAK


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Re: [Elecraft] solder iron correct temp in C for K3

2012-04-26 Thread Fred Jensen
On 4/26/2012 4:26 PM, W9HAK wrote:
 I have a new solder iron that is temperature controlled in degrees
 C. What temp should I set the iron for work on  the K3? I am using
 60/40 rosin core, small diameter solder. While using solder wick to
 clean out the holes from the 12 dc mod kit I used 300c and dipped the
 wick in solder flux. I pulled the solder wick across the land when
 the solder was liquid, it cleaned the holes on the first pass.

F = 32 + (9 * C) / 5
C = [(F-32) * 5] / 9

73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the 2012 Cal QSO Party 6-7 Oct 2012
- www.cqp.org


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Re: [Elecraft] solder iron correct temp in C for K3

2012-04-26 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
Hi! 

I 375 to 400 C (700-750F) for normal soldering. When using wick (which acts
like a heat sink) I step up the temperature to the 800F (425C) range. 

A hot iron will *not* damage your board or components. What *will* damage
the board or components is leaving the iron in place for too long. Time is
what de-bonds traces.  

I consider 4 or 5 seconds maximum time for soldering. If it takes longer
than that, my iron is too cold (assuming it is clean).  I add a couple of
seconds if I'm using wick, but never more than ten seconds -and that's rare.


73, Ron AC7AC


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Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 4:26 PM
To: Elecraft listserve
Subject: [Elecraft] solder iron correct temp in C for K3

I have a new solder iron that is temperature controlled in degrees C.
What temp should I set the iron for work on  the K3? I am using 60/40 rosin
core, small diameter solder. While using solder wick to clean out the holes
from the 12 dc mod kit I used 300c and dipped the wick in solder flux. I
pulled the solder wick across the land when the solder was liquid, it
cleaned the holes on the first pass.

Smith Bradford
W9HAK


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Re: [Elecraft] solder iron correct temp in C for K3

2012-04-26 Thread Don Wilhelm
Actually, the conversion is easier to remember than those two formulas.
The two scales coincide at -40 degrees.
So for the conversion (either way) first add 40.
Then if the conversion is from Centigrade to Fahrenheit multiply by 9/5 
(you will be going to a greater number), but if the conversion is from 
Fahrenheit to Celcius, multiply by 5/9 (because the result will be a 
smaller number).  Finally, subtract 40 to get your result.

The skeptical may try several passes with their remembering when to add 
or subtract 32 degrees, but this formula always works.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 4/26/2012 10:10 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:
 On 4/26/2012 4:26 PM, W9HAK wrote:
 I have a new solder iron that is temperature controlled in degrees
 C. What temp should I set the iron for work on  the K3? I am using
 60/40 rosin core, small diameter solder. While using solder wick to
 clean out the holes from the 12 dc mod kit I used 300c and dipped the
 wick in solder flux. I pulled the solder wick across the land when
 the solder was liquid, it cleaned the holes on the first pass.
 F = 32 + (9 * C) / 5
 C = [(F-32) * 5] / 9

 73,

 Fred K6DGW
 - Northern California Contest Club
 - CU in the 2012 Cal QSO Party 6-7 Oct 2012
 - www.cqp.org


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Re: [Elecraft] solder iron correct temp in C for K3

2012-04-26 Thread ve8rt

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Re: [Elecraft] solder iron correct temp in C for K3

2012-04-26 Thread Gary K9GS
Or, in google just type something like:  750F to C

Works for all kinds of different units of measure.

On 4/26/2012 10:59 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
 Actually, the conversion is easier to remember than those two formulas.
 The two scales coincide at -40 degrees.
 So for the conversion (either way) first add 40.
 Then if the conversion is from Centigrade to Fahrenheit multiply by 9/5
 (you will be going to a greater number), but if the conversion is from
 Fahrenheit to Celcius, multiply by 5/9 (because the result will be a
 smaller number).  Finally, subtract 40 to get your result.

 The skeptical may try several passes with their remembering when to add
 or subtract 32 degrees, but this formula always works.

 73,
 Don W3FPR

 On 4/26/2012 10:10 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:
 On 4/26/2012 4:26 PM, W9HAK wrote:
 I have a new solder iron that is temperature controlled in degrees
 C. What temp should I set the iron for work on  the K3? I am using
 60/40 rosin core, small diameter solder. While using solder wick to
 clean out the holes from the 12 dc mod kit I used 300c and dipped the
 wick in solder flux. I pulled the solder wick across the land when
 the solder was liquid, it cleaned the holes on the first pass.
 F = 32 + (9 * C) / 5
 C = [(F-32) * 5] / 9

 73,

 Fred K6DGW
 - Northern California Contest Club
 - CU in the 2012 Cal QSO Party 6-7 Oct 2012
 - www.cqp.org


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Re: [Elecraft] solder iron correct temp in C for K3

2012-04-26 Thread Matt Zilmer
Nice memory aid!

matt

On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 23:59:05 -0400, you wrote:

Actually, the conversion is easier to remember than those two formulas.
The two scales coincide at -40 degrees.
So for the conversion (either way) first add 40.
Then if the conversion is from Centigrade to Fahrenheit multiply by 9/5 
(you will be going to a greater number), but if the conversion is from 
Fahrenheit to Celcius, multiply by 5/9 (because the result will be a 
smaller number).  Finally, subtract 40 to get your result.

The skeptical may try several passes with their remembering when to add 
or subtract 32 degrees, but this formula always works.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 4/26/2012 10:10 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:
 On 4/26/2012 4:26 PM, W9HAK wrote:
 I have a new solder iron that is temperature controlled in degrees
 C. What temp should I set the iron for work on  the K3? I am using
 60/40 rosin core, small diameter solder. While using solder wick to
 clean out the holes from the 12 dc mod kit I used 300c and dipped the
 wick in solder flux. I pulled the solder wick across the land when
 the solder was liquid, it cleaned the holes on the first pass.
 F = 32 + (9 * C) / 5
 C = [(F-32) * 5] / 9

 73,

 Fred K6DGW
 - Northern California Contest Club
 - CU in the 2012 Cal QSO Party 6-7 Oct 2012
 - www.cqp.org


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Re: [Elecraft] solder iron correct temp in C for K3

2012-04-26 Thread Bob
I'm not fluent in metric and use this link all the time:

http://www.worldwidemetric.com/Measurements.html

73,
Bob
K2TK  ex KN2TKR (1956)  K2TKR


On 4/27/2012 12:32 AM, Gary K9GS wrote:
 Or, in google just type something like:  750F to C

 Works for all kinds of different units of measure.

 On 4/26/2012 10:59 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
 Actually, the conversion is easier to remember than those two formulas.
 The two scales coincide at -40 degrees.
 So for the conversion (either way) first add 40.
 Then if the conversion is from Centigrade to Fahrenheit multiply by 9/5
 (you will be going to a greater number), but if the conversion is from
 Fahrenheit to Celcius, multiply by 5/9 (because the result will be a
 smaller number).  Finally, subtract 40 to get your result.

 The skeptical may try several passes with their remembering when to add
 or subtract 32 degrees, but this formula always works.

 73,
 Don W3FPR

 On 4/26/2012 10:10 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:
 On 4/26/2012 4:26 PM, W9HAK wrote:
 I have a new solder iron that is temperature controlled in degrees
 C. What temp should I set the iron for work on  the K3? I am using
 60/40 rosin core, small diameter solder. While using solder wick to
 clean out the holes from the 12 dc mod kit I used 300c and dipped the
 wick in solder flux. I pulled the solder wick across the land when
 the solder was liquid, it cleaned the holes on the first pass.
 F = 32 + (9 * C) / 5
 C = [(F-32) * 5] / 9

 73,

 Fred K6DGW
 - Northern California Contest Club
 - CU in the 2012 Cal QSO Party 6-7 Oct 2012
 - www.cqp.org


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