Chris' humorous story is true!

[Rich Nute]

Hello from San Diego:


One of my colleagues has added material of interest to
one of Chris Allen's humorous stories.


Best regards,
Rich




This is actually a true story (with some adjustment).  It happened at a Ford
plant back in the 1930's (which makes the $50K fee all the more
significant).  The engineer was brought over from Germany to fix the
problem, and Henry Ford was appreciative of the service, but outraged with
the bill.  Thus he demanded an itemization of it thinking he could out one
over on this engineer and reduce the amount.  And he did, in fact get the
itemization below.  Henry Ford paid the bill.

Mario Raia
10319 SE 15th Street, Suite 100
Vancouver, WA 98664
360-891-6113
360-891-6114 Fax
mr...@ipinc.net Email





>   > > Comprehending Engineers-Take 2
>   
>   There was an engineer who had an exceptional gift for fixing all things
>   mechanical.  After serving his company loyally for over 30 years, he happily
>   retired. Several years later the company contacted him regarding a seemingly
>   impossible problem they were having with one of their multimillion dollar
>   machines. They had tried everything and everyone else to get the machine to
>   work but to no avail. In desperation, they called on the retired engineer
>   who had solved so many of their problems in the past.
>   The engineer reluctantly took the challenge.  He spent a day studying the
>   huge machine.  At the end of the day, he marked a small "x" in chalk on a
>   particular component of the machine and stated,  "This is where your problem
>   is".
>   The part was replaced and the machine worked perfectly again. The company
>   received a bill for $50,000 from the engineer for his service. They demanded
>   an itemised accounting of his charges. The engineer responded briefly:
>One chalk mark   $1
>Knowing where to put it $49,999





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RE: 3rd draft proposed EEE Directive

[WOODS]

Art, there appears to be three draft directives: The WEEE, to which you
refer, address the proper disposal of equipment. And there is the one on
heavy metals and other toxic items to which you refer. The third, the EEE
Directive, addresses the environmental design of equipment. A meeting was
held with stakeholders on 6 March to discuss the new draft. I heard that the
revised draft removes the requirement of a new conformity symbol (it refers
to the CE symbol) and deletes suppliers from the law.  However, it would
require suppliers to provide necessary information.  Companies would have to
have an internal design control or an "environmental assurance system" in
place.
Richard Woods

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Subject:  Re: 3rd draft proposed EEE Directive

Hello Richard,

The proposal, I believe, is well beyond the 3rd Draft Stage. It was
published in the Official Journal on 19 DEC 2000 as the "Proposal for a
Directive of the European Parliment and of the Council on waste electrical
and electronic equipment". The citation is: 2000/C 365 E/12. I believe it
is no longer available at the "free site" (Eur-Lex) since it is more than
45 days since it was published. 

On that same date they also issued a "proposal for a Directive of the
European Parliment and of the Council on the restriction and use of
certain hazardous substances in electrical and electronic equipment"
(2000/C 365 E/13) which is probably of interest as well.

Regards, Art Michael

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Re: 3rd draft proposed EEE Directive

[Art Michael]

Hello Richard,

The proposal, I believe, is well beyond the 3rd Draft Stage. It was
published in the Official Journal on 19 DEC 2000 as the "Proposal for a
Directive of the European Parliment and of the Council on waste electrical
and electronic equipment". The citation is: 2000/C 365 E/12. I believe it
is no longer available at the "free site" (Eur-Lex) since it is more than
45 days since it was published. 

On that same date they also issued a "proposal for a Directive of the
European Parliment and of the Council on the restriction and use of
certain hazardous substances in electrical and electronic equipment"
(2000/C 365 E/13) which is probably of interest as well.

Regards, Art Michael

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> copy or know where to find it?
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3rd draft proposed EEE Directive

[WOODS]

I understand that the Commission has issued the 3rd draft of the proposed
directive on Impact on the Environment of Electrical and Electronic
Equipment (EEE), but I can't find it on their web site. Does anyone have a
copy or know where to find it?

Richard Woods

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RE: Is 61000-3-2 compulsory?

[Pettit, Ghery]

Your power supply manufacturer is mistaken.  EN 61000-3-2 became mandatory
the first of the year (as did EN 61000-3-3).  PFC isn't mandatory,
compliance with the harmonics requirements is.  It is commonly met by the
use of PFC, however.

Ghery Pettit
Intel

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From: Jon Keeble [mailto:j.kee...@fairlightesp.com.au]
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Subject: Is 61000-3-2 compulsory?






I've been told by my (Australian) power supply distributor that
 - 61000-3-2 compliance requires that a SMPS have PFC
 - 61000-3-2 compliance in Europe and elsewhere is optional (i.e. not
required by law)

The distributor is proposing a 150w SMPS that
 - has a CE mark
 - doesn't have either active or passive PFC circuitry

Clarification, anybody?


Jon Keeble

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RE: Print on demand labels - UL/CSA approved

[Gary McInturff]

I am staring at a similar solution. I was just reviewing it before I
sent it off to UL for our new product. The system is from Intermec the main
PCA's carry a ID label put on at their assembly time and these labels are
scanned at unit production time as they roll down the assembly line into
final test. The information from the subassembly level is read by a data
base that produces the end product label. I don't have the specs at hand but
it is a plastic Mylar type label. White with Black lettering - other colors
could have been chosen.It works very well, and keeps up with even high speed
production.
The mechanical boys design the layout of the overall label to fit the
product with input from me and others, send it as a file to our functional
test engineer, who sucks the data into his system, links it with the data
base and send the file to the production engineers. That makes the
production engineer's main worry (from a label perspective), just making
sure that the correct sized blank labels labels are loaded, and the printing
of it is transparent.   
[Gary McInturff]  -Original Message-
From: Clement Dave-LDC009 [mailto:dave.clem...@motorola.com]
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2001 5:24 AM
To: 'Chris Wells'; 'emc-pstc'
Cc: Wells, Christopher D
Subject: RE: Print on demand labels - UL/CSA approved



Chris,
 
I introduced this method into the factory about 10 years ago. The first
iteration was using die cut myler label stock on a laser printer. It turned
out to be very time consuming and you had to print 8 identical (s/n
incremented for each) labels at a time. The next step was a thermal transfer
printer with Mylar label stock on a roll. This was fast and allowed for one
label at a time. Initially we used home grown software on a PC and had
several standalone systems around the factory each with an assigned block of
serial numbers. We then integrated the system into our Factory Control
system computers and had labels printed on demand at the configuration
station based on scanned sales order travelers. We have since out sourced
our manufacturing so we went back to the standalone PC based system using
software from an outfit called Loftware http://www.loftware.com/home.htm
 
 
Our system uses completely blank label stock and a various layouts are
designed using the drawing features in Loftware. Variables are merged from a
database (excel) and printed on the label. Power ratings, model
descriptions, agency logos, patent numbers are all pulled from the database
and the layouts determine the placement on the label. We even included a
couple of smaller sub labels as part of the basic label stock that have
serial numbers, models numbers, etc that can be placed in other locations on
the product to help out the customer service folks.
 
We have had great success using thermal transfer printers from Zebra
Technologies http://www.zebra.com/  . The label stock
is a 1.5 mil myler and we have used both matt and gloss finish materials in
translucent and white. To meet UL requirements the combination of printer,
label stock and ribbon are approved. We have a section in our UL SP volume
describing the system. The most difficult thing to do is select a label
stock and ribbon combination that will provide an acceptable level of print
quality while still meeting the durability requirements of the marking
section of the safety standard. All thermal transfer processes use ribbons
that are either a wax, resin or combination of both. The wax materials
provide the best print quality and are great on paper labels but will not
stand up to the solvent wipe test on Myler. The resins are durable and
easily pass the wipe test but the quality of the printed image is not as
good. There are ribbons that are a blend that will give you what you need.
The only other consideration is the adhesive on the label. If you are
applying the label to a smooth plastic or metal surface there is not much to
worry about. If the part is textured you will need a a heavier layer of
adhesive to get acceptable adhesion.
 
One of these systems are definitely the way to go. We cut our costs from an
average of $0.50 per preprinted label to $0.06 per label with this process.
 
David Clement 
Motorola Inc. 
Global Homologation Engineering 
20 Cabot Blvd. 
Mansfield, MA 02048 

P: 508-261-4389 
F: 508-261-4777 
C: 508-725-9689 
E: < mailto:dave.clem...@motorola.com  > 


-Original Message-
From: Chris Wells [mailto:cdwe...@stargate.net]
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2001 2:49 PM
To: 'emc-pstc'
Cc: Wells, Christopher D
Subject: Print on demand labels - UL/CSA approved


As a continuation of my last email - "save me from label hell"
I need to do some investigations into better "print on demand" labeling
sollutions.
Right now about the only "print on demand" we do is the serial number/ date
code.
The rest of the label is silk screened and includes all the va

Mil-Std-100C

[Joseph Curtin]

Hi listmembers,

Would anyone know if there is a pdf of MIL-STD 100C (not D, E, F, or G)
available on the Web?  It's not in the DOD listing any more.

Joseph T. Curtin
Dover Instrument
200 Flanders Rd.
Westboro, MA. 01581.

RE: Print on demand labels - UL/CSA approved

[Clement Dave-LDC009]

Chris,
 
I introduced this method into the factory about 10 years ago. The first 
iteration was using die cut myler label stock on a laser printer. It turned out 
to be very time consuming and you had to print 8 identical (s/n incremented for 
each) labels at a time. The next step was a thermal transfer printer with Mylar 
label stock on a roll. This was fast and allowed for one label at a time. 
Initially we used home grown software on a PC and had several standalone 
systems around the factory each with an assigned block of serial numbers. We 
then integrated the system into our Factory Control system computers and had 
labels printed on demand at the configuration station based on scanned sales 
order travelers. We have since out sourced our manufacturing so we went back to 
the standalone PC based system using software from an outfit called Loftware 
http://www.loftware.com/home.htm  
 
Our system uses completely blank label stock and a various layouts are designed 
using the drawing features in Loftware. Variables are merged from a database 
(excel) and printed on the label. Power ratings, model descriptions, agency 
logos, patent numbers are all pulled from the database and the layouts 
determine the placement on the label. We even included a couple of smaller sub 
labels as part of the basic label stock that have serial numbers, models 
numbers, etc that can be placed in other locations on the product to help out 
the customer service folks.
 
We have had great success using thermal transfer printers from Zebra  
Technologies http://www.zebra.com/  . The label stock is 
a 1.5 mil myler and we have used both matt and gloss finish materials in 
translucent and white. To meet UL requirements the combination of printer, 
label stock and ribbon are approved. We have a section in our UL SP volume 
describing the system. The most difficult thing to do is select a label stock 
and ribbon combination that will provide an acceptable level of print quality 
while still meeting the durability requirements of the marking section of the 
safety standard. All thermal transfer processes use ribbons that are either a 
wax, resin or combination of both. The wax materials provide the best print 
quality and are great on paper labels but will not stand up to the solvent wipe 
test on Myler. The resins are durable and easily pass the wipe test but the 
quality of the printed image is not as good. There are ribbons that are a !
!
!
!
blend that will give you what you need. The only other consideration is the 
adhesive on the label. If you are applying the label to a smooth plastic or 
metal surface there is not much to worry about. If the part is textured you 
will need a a heavier layer of adhesive to get acceptable adhesion.
 
One of these systems are definitely the way to go. We cut our costs from an 
average of $0.50 per preprinted label to $0.06 per label with this process.
 
David Clement 
Motorola Inc. 
Global Homologation Engineering 
20 Cabot Blvd. 
Mansfield, MA 02048 

P: 508-261-4389 
F: 508-261-4777 
C: 508-725-9689 
E: < mailto:dave.clem...@motorola.com  > 


-Original Message-
From: Chris Wells [mailto:cdwe...@stargate.net]
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2001 2:49 PM
To: 'emc-pstc'
Cc: Wells, Christopher D
Subject: Print on demand labels - UL/CSA approved


As a continuation of my last email - "save me from label hell"
I need to do some investigations into better "print on demand" labeling 
sollutions.
Right now about the only "print on demand" we do is the serial number/ date 
code.
The rest of the label is silk screened and includes all the variations within a 
product.
As a result we must have a multitude of different lables with set up charge and 
lead time issues.
i would like to improve that approach
 
What I have seen and would like to do is create a "boiler plate" label for each 
product or a series of products, that will support "print-on-demand" for all 
the variables.
*The printing ought to be back printed on plastic stock so that the surface 
affords protection.  Perhaps there are other approaches.
*It needs to be UL/CSA/??? controled/approved matterials.
*It needs to be compatible with industrial temp extremes of -40 to ~ 85C on 
metal or Poly carb plastic surfaces.  Our products are typicaly speced to 60 or 
70C.
*Most importantly I need a semi turn key system form engineering to 
production.  Not just the label stock and the printer but a data base that will 
handle the transfer of printing field data from design engineering out to the 
production floor with an eye on maintaining ISO 9001 and compatibility with our 
drawing control management system (CMS).
 
Looking for recomendations or feedback (good or bad) on vendors that can help 
update our approach.
Are there some good trade mags on this topic, web sites
Are there any pitfalls to avoid?
 
Thanks
 
Chris Wells
Senior De

Re:Print on demand labels - UL/CSA approved

[Jim Bacher]

Chris we have a printer and labels that should meet your needs.  It is our model
9850 with our TuffMark labels. The TuffMark labels are UL Recognized.  We use
them to label our own products.  You can contact me directly for more
information.

Jim


Jim Bacher,  Senior Engineer
Paxar - Monarch
www.monarch.com
e-mail: jim_bac...@monarch.com
voice: 1-937-865-2020
fax: 1-937-865-2048

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Subject:Print on demand labels - UL/CSA approved
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Date:   3/10/01 11:48 AM

As a continuation of my last email - "save me from label hell"
I need to do some investigations into better "print on demand" labeling
sollutions.

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RE: Print on demand labels - UL/CSA approved

[Chris Maxwell]

Hi Chris,

>From one Chris to another, I wanted to hook you up with  Computer
Imprintable Label Systems LLC (CILS).  www.cils-labels.com They make sheets
of kiss cut labels of varying shapes and sizes. 

Their blank stock is designed to be run through a laser jet printer.   What
we do is use a word processor program (MS Word) to create a table with the
borders lined up with the label blanks.  MS Word also has the handy dandy
"forms" toolbar which allows us to put fill-in fields in the table cells.
We then "lock" the form and save it as a template.  When the guys in
manufacturing want to print labels, they open the form template; tab down
through the labels and fill in the required information.

The compliance markings,  graphics and "pretty stuff" that you want on the
labels can be put into your template that you create, or CILS can customize
blank stock for you.

We have used them on the outside of safety certified products. (EN 61010-1)
The printing on these blanks from out HP laserjet will withstand the
15second wipe test (we use isopropyl alcohol) without smearing or fading.

I'm not sure if the labels' flammability rating would be considered "safe"
enough on the inside of products such as power supplies ...  That's
something that you would need to ask CILS and/or your certification lab.

I hope this helps and best regards.

Chris Maxwell
Design Engineer
NetTest
6 Rhoads Drive, Building 4
Utica,NY 13502
email: chris.maxw...@gnnettest.com
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> -Original Message-
> From: Chris Wells [SMTP:cdwe...@stargate.net]
> Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2001 2:49 PM
> To:   'emc-pstc'
> Cc:   Wells, Christopher D
> Subject:  Print on demand labels - UL/CSA approved
> 
> As a continuation of my last email - "save me from label hell"
> I need to do some investigations into better "print on demand" labeling
> sollutions.
> Right now about the only "print on demand" we do is the serial number/
> date code.
> The rest of the label is silk screened and includes all the variations
> within a product.
> As a result we must have a multitude of different lables with set up
> charge and lead time issues.
> i would like to improve that approach
>  
> What I have seen and would like to do is create a "boiler plate" label for
> each product or a series of products, that will support "print-on-demand"
> for all the variables.
> *The printing ought to be back printed on plastic stock so that the
> surface affords protection.  Perhaps there are other approaches.
> *It needs to be UL/CSA/??? controled/approved matterials.
> *It needs to be compatible with industrial temp extremes of -40 to ~
> 85C on metal or Poly carb plastic surfaces.  Our products are typicaly
> speced to 60 or 70C.
> *Most importantly I need a semi turn key system form engineering to
> production.  Not just the label stock and the printer but a data base that
> will handle the transfer of printing field data from design engineering
> out to the production floor with an eye on maintaining ISO 9001 and
> compatibility with our drawing control management system (CMS).
>  
> Looking for recomendations or feedback (good or bad) on vendors that can
> help update our approach.
> Are there some good trade mags on this topic, web sites
> Are there any pitfalls to avoid?
>  
> Thanks
>  
> Chris Wells
> Senior Design Eng.
> Cutler-hammer
> well...@ch.etn.com 
> 412 490 6862
>  

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RE: Approvals for China

[Anderson Cheng(TPE)]

George and Courtland,

It's my understanding that the mentioned item 21 Telecommunication Terminal
Equipment seems not applicable to the RS-232 Aysnch to Synch converter.  I
thought it's for products like telephone and Modem, etc.

For the mentioned product, generally we will consider about two kinds of
certification, safety and EMC. Since there is a little difference on
certification system between China and EU that EU-LVD specifies the voltage
ranges but China controls the categories, I would say that the RS-232 Aysnch
to Synch converter is not within the scope of the China CCIB regulated
categories.

For reference, ITE products vs CCIB related categories (conforms to GB 4943)
are:
1. Personal computer
2. Visual display unit
3. Switching power supply
4. Printer
5. Telecommunication terminal equipment

* Personal computer was compulsive to be China CCIB "Safety" certified from
1-Oct-1996.
* TTE equipment was compulsive to be China CCIB "Safety" certified from
1-Oct-1997.

Starting from January 1, 2000, EMC Requirements (conforms to GB 9354) came
into force for the following six kinds of import products:
1. Personal computer
2. Visual display unit
3. Switching power supply
4. Printer
5. Television set
6. Audio equipment

Regards,

Anderson Cheng
High Tech Computer, Corp.
TEL: +886-2-8912-4138 ext. 8393
FAX: +886-2-8912-4136
Email: anderson_ch...@htc.com.tw 
Web: http://www.htc.com.tw

> -原始郵件-
> 寄件者:  geor...@lexmark.com [SMTP:geor...@lexmark.com]
> 傳送時間: 2001年3月9日 AM 12:15
> 收件者:  Courtland Thomas
> 副本:   emc-p...@ieee.org
> 主旨:   Re: Approvals for China
> 
> Courtland,
> 
> At the following website, http://www.cqc.com.cn/index-e.htm , I found
> these
> products listed, with the admonition following afterwards below.  It seems
> like
> #21 would apply to your product?
> 
> 21. Telecommunication terminal equipment
> 30. Ultrasonic diagnosis equipment and ultrasonic theraqy equipment
> 22. Security technology protectiong commodities
> 31. Automotive safety glasses
> 23. Fire alarms
> 32. automotive pneumatic tyres
> 24. Medical diagnostic x-ray equipment
> 33. Motorcycle tyes
> 25. Haemodialysis equipment
> 34. Automotive safety belts
> 26. Hollow fiber dialysers
> 35. Boilers
> 27. Extracorporeal blood circuit for blood Purification equipment
> 36. Movable pressure vessels
> 28. Electrocardiographs
> 37.  Fixed pressure vessels
> 29. Implantable cardiac pacemakers
> 38. Safety accessory of foiler and pressure vessel
> 
> (The Safety Licence System will be executed to above nine kins of
> commodities
> from Oct.1st 1997.
> At same time, the above commodities without obtaining the certificate for
> the
> safety licence of import
> commodities are not allowed to be imported to China.)
> 
> George
> 
> 
> 
> "Courtland Thomas"  on
> 03/08/2001
> 01:47:58 PM
> 
> Please respond to "Courtland Thomas"
> 
> 
> To:   "emcpost" 
> cc:(bcc: George Alspaugh/Lex/Lexmark)
> Subject:  Approvals for China
> 
> Hello group,
> 
> I have a situation where we are selling equipment into China. My concern
> is
> that we don't have any compliance information on the labels of the
> equipment. We do our own in house testing for EMC (FCC Part 15 and CE),
> however our Safety is done at an outside lab. This device, however isn't
> tested by an outside lab for Safety. The device is a RS-232 Aysnch to
> Synch
> converter. The device gets power from the RS-232 interface, thereby
> eliminating the need for a power supply. The customer has not asked any
> questions and doesn't seem to be concerned with the lack of compliance
> labeling. In a situation like this, isn't there any product monitoring
> that
> is in place in China? If we were selling it into the EU, the 'CE' Mark
> would
> be applied. Any comments would be appreciated.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Courtland Thomas
> Patton Electronics
> 
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