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From: Cecil A. Gittens Hi Folk, I have a computer that supports a Color Proofing System. Since any given computer have life cycle of 4 to 6 months. My question is there any way to avoid rectification testing of the computer with each upgrade. Regards Cecil --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
R&TTE directive
Can anyone state any detailed examples where a proper product test suite under the R&TTE directive could not be found in the harmonized standards (TCF route for conformity)? Other than the OJ, where can previous decisions from notified bodies be found for reference? Sincerely, Stuart Lopata --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
RE: Varient Model on Fcc.
For a listed product, is a multiple listing not required? It certainly is here in Canada. Remember, the trend at the FCC is to ensure that the FCC ID matches or is linked to the company placing the product on the market. The other question to be asked is, is the product truly identical, or is there a physical difference between the OEM version and the original? If there is a difference, then it may indeed be necessary to complete a new submission. This is particularly true for intentional radiators (including integration of modules, re-packaging/antenna changes, etc). Of course, if we are dealing with IT equipment under SDOC then all listing stuff does not matter that much... Regards, Kate Kathy M. MacLean President, APREL Laboratories -EMC-RF Safety-Antenna Design/Test-SAR/MPE-SAR/Near-Field Tools-Acoustics- Wireless- 51 Spectrum Way, Nepean, Ontario K2R 1E6 (613) 820-2730 fax (613) 820-4161 cell (613) 791-3777 Web site: http://www.aprel.com - watch for our new web site coming soon! -Original Message- From: wo...@sensormatic.com [mailto:wo...@sensormatic.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 12:58 PM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: RE: Varient Model on Fcc. It private branding of equipment A to become B is the issue, then there is no issue. The FCC ID belongs to the manufacturer of A and no change of the Grant is required. A new Grant would be required if the equipment were manufacturered by someone else. Richard Woods Sensormatic Electronics Tyco International -Original Message- From: John Juhasz [mailto:jjuh...@fiberoptions.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 12:35 PM To: 'Don Rhodes'; 'Jong Ho,Lee'; EMC-PSTC; EMC-PSTC Subject: RE: Varient Model on Fcc. I think what the question is here is not so much as 'Class' of emission levels I think he is refering to an OEM product. He is buying completed/fully-functional product A and will market it as product B. They are one in the same. His question is whether he can use (transfer) the FCC ID issued to product A on the marketed product B. I would like to know the same . . . John Juhasz Fiber Options Bohemia, NY -Original Message- From: Don Rhodes [mailto:don.rho...@infocus.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 11:23 AM To: 'Jong Ho,Lee'; EMC-PSTC; EMC-PSTC Subject: RE: Varient Model on Fcc. Tommy, I'm not exactly sure what you're asking. If you're asking if a Product which is labeled as Class A can be relabeled as a Class B product because they look the same, the answer is no. The product must be properly retested to assure its compliance with the Class B limits and then you must have a test report approved by the FCC. I have little doubt that if the two really were the same they would be labeled differently. Secondly, the FCC ID is a means of identifying the manufacturer. Therefore, unless your company is the holder of the FCC ID in question, I suggest you ask the printer manufacturer the question you're posing to the group. Respectfully, Don Rhodes EMC Engineering InFocus Corp. -Original Message- From: Jong Ho,Lee [mailto:upu...@samsung.com] Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 8:50 PM To: EMC-PSTC; EMC-PSTC Subject: Varient Model on Fcc. Hi folk. A model has Fcc ID.It is Printer. Our buyer sale A model product to maket as B . There are not differnt between A and B. So I will use same Fcc ID on buyer model. Is it possible? If not,How can I do for get Fcc ID ? Best regards. Tommy --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server
Immunity standards equivalence?
Has EN 50140:94 (EMC/basic; radiated RF EM field immunity) been replaced by
EN61000-4-3('99)? Are they identical? At USD120, I want to confirm there's some
difference 'tween the two. Under the auspices of EN61326:97 (...measurement,
control and laboratory equipment EMC), the former doesn't appear to be
mentioned.
Wm Flanigan
Standards Engineer
Ameritherm Inc
39 Main Street
Scottsville, NY 14546
bflani...@ameritherm.com
1.716.889.9000
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RE: HiPot testing of DC mains powered products
Hi David, It's good to hear from someone who has spent a couple of second shifts out in the cold 10m test site with me. Hope all is going well. Your answer would be a possibility for "self-certification" cases. However, if we want to use an NRTL mark such as UL, TUV, CSA ...; then the agency will dictate whether or not to hipot. My understanding is that such agencies will require hipot on products even if they are rated 48VDC (which may be considered SELV) as long as the products use more than a minimum power level. My understanding is that the power level is around 15Watts. I believe that the reasoning behind this has more to do with fire safety than shock safety. Any product that draws more than a certain power level (again I think that about 15 Watts is the cutoff) from a DC mains (i.e. station battery ...) is considered a definite power/energy/fire hazard...thus the hipot requirements. Just a little background...I assume that the test report for this product will specify the testing required; but I wanted to get a feel for what others were doing or would do in the same situation. Chris > -Original Message- > From: David Heald [SMTP:davehe...@mediaone.net] > Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 3:08 PM > To: Chris Maxwell > Cc: EMC-PSTC Internet Forum > Subject: Re: HiPot testing of DC mains powered products > > Chris, > Greetings! You may not even need to perform production line hipot > if > the unit is a fiber only product. Since the mains are SELV (unless > you > are shipping to certain Euro Telco's) the only time you should need > production line hipot is if you have wired (TNV-2 or TNV-3) > interfaces, > assuming no other connections to hazardous circuits. > > Granted my advice may be flawed as I am used to permanently connected, > stationary, restricted access location products that are a far cry > from > portable equipment as far as safety standards go. > > Best Regards, > Dave Heald > > > Chris Maxwell wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > > > I have a question. > > > > I have a 48VDC powered product which will be hipot and ground > continuity > > tested off of the production line in order to maintain agency > > certification. > > > > The product uses D-shaped three pin power connector. (Same size as > a > > DB15, but has three large power pins instead of 15 signal pins). > > > > When we sell the unit, we pack it with an accessory kit which > includes a > > 15' cable assembly terminated with the mate to the product's power > > connector. So, essentially, we sell the unit with a "DC mains" > cable > > that we make. > > > > Now, where should the hipot test be performed? > > > > Should I make a test cable assembly for the hipot/ground bond tester > > which is terminated with the proper connector so that the tester can > > plug directly into the chassis? This would essentially test the > chassis > > only. (because we would use this same test cable for every unit) > > > > Or > > > > Should I take each unit and connect the DC mains cable to be shipped > > with it, then apply the hipot/ground bond probes to the other end of > the > > DC mains cable? This would test the entire system including the > chassis > > and the cable. > > > > In my mind, this question comes up because we are making a custom > mains > > cable for this DC product. > > > > It is different than AC products; because, with AC products, we can > test > > the chassis by itself and assume that the mains cable is OK because > we > > buy mains cables that have been previously hipot/ground bond tested > by > > their manufacturers. > > > > Any words of wisdom? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Chris Maxwell | Design Engineer - Optical Division > > email chris.maxw...@nettest.com | dir +1 315 266 5128 | fax +1 315 > 797 > > 8024 > > > > NetTest | 6 Rhoads Drive, Utica, NY 13502 | USA > > web www.nettest.com | tel +1 315 797 4449 | > > > > --- > > This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety > > Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. > > > > Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ > > > > To cancel your subscription, send mail to: > > majord...@ieee.org > > with the single line: > > unsubscribe emc-pstc > > > > For help, send mail to the list administrators: > > Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org > > Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net > > > > For policy questions, send mail to: > > Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org > > Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org > > > > All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: > > No longer online until our new server is brought online and the > old messages are imported into the new server. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/
ESD Test Equipment Vendor - PICO Q
Hi, Folks - I have been asked about the whereabouts/contact info for an ESD test equipment vendor in Canada (last know address Etobicoke, ON) who go by/went by the name of PICO Q. Does anyone have any information that they can pass on so that I can forward it? Kindest regards and thanks in advance to all, Kate Kathy M. MacLean President, APREL Laboratories -EMC-RF Safety-Antenna Design/Test-SAR/MPE-SAR/Near-Field Tools-Acoustics-Wireless- 51 Spectrum Way, Nepean, Ontario K2R 1E6 (613) 820-2730 fax (613) 820-4161 cell (613) 791-3777 Web site: http://www.aprel.com - watch for our new web site coming soon! --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
Re: HiPot testing of DC mains powered products
Chris, Greetings! You may not even need to perform production line hipot if the unit is a fiber only product. Since the mains are SELV (unless you are shipping to certain Euro Telco's) the only time you should need production line hipot is if you have wired (TNV-2 or TNV-3) interfaces, assuming no other connections to hazardous circuits. Granted my advice may be flawed as I am used to permanently connected, stationary, restricted access location products that are a far cry from portable equipment as far as safety standards go. Best Regards, Dave Heald Chris Maxwell wrote: > > Hi all, > > I have a question. > > I have a 48VDC powered product which will be hipot and ground continuity > tested off of the production line in order to maintain agency > certification. > > The product uses D-shaped three pin power connector. (Same size as a > DB15, but has three large power pins instead of 15 signal pins). > > When we sell the unit, we pack it with an accessory kit which includes a > 15' cable assembly terminated with the mate to the product's power > connector. So, essentially, we sell the unit with a "DC mains" cable > that we make. > > Now, where should the hipot test be performed? > > Should I make a test cable assembly for the hipot/ground bond tester > which is terminated with the proper connector so that the tester can > plug directly into the chassis? This would essentially test the chassis > only. (because we would use this same test cable for every unit) > > Or > > Should I take each unit and connect the DC mains cable to be shipped > with it, then apply the hipot/ground bond probes to the other end of the > DC mains cable? This would test the entire system including the chassis > and the cable. > > In my mind, this question comes up because we are making a custom mains > cable for this DC product. > > It is different than AC products; because, with AC products, we can test > the chassis by itself and assume that the mains cable is OK because we > buy mains cables that have been previously hipot/ground bond tested by > their manufacturers. > > Any words of wisdom? > > Thanks, > > Chris Maxwell | Design Engineer - Optical Division > email chris.maxw...@nettest.com | dir +1 315 266 5128 | fax +1 315 797 > 8024 > > NetTest | 6 Rhoads Drive, Utica, NY 13502 | USA > web www.nettest.com | tel +1 315 797 4449 | > > --- > This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety > Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. > > Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ > > To cancel your subscription, send mail to: > majord...@ieee.org > with the single line: > unsubscribe emc-pstc > > For help, send mail to the list administrators: > Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org > Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net > > For policy questions, send mail to: > Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org > Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org > > All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: > No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old > messages are imported into the new server. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
Re: HiPot testing of DC mains powered products
Chris, The reason that I agree with John that you should be testing both is that the custom DC cable that you are assembling and shipping with your product can have marginal or failed insulation that the hi-pot test would catch. Such potential failures can have spectacular results at your customers' installation. Consider that every UL Listed/CSA Certified (ac) cordset is 100% hi-pot tested at the manufacturing location, for very good reasons. You should do no less. taniagr...@msn.com - Original Message - From: John Juhasz Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 10:15 AM To: 'Chris Maxwell'; EMC-PSTC Internet Forum Subject: RE: HiPot testing of DC mains powered products If you conduct the functional tests of the chassis with the DC cable that ships with it, then it's not much of a hassle and you know that the whole package is fine. If you merely insert the cable during packing for shipment, consider doing a hi-pot on the cable itself on it's production line. Personally, I would prefer to test both, whether it was together or not. John Juhasz Fiber Options Bohemia, NY -Original Message- From: Chris Maxwell [mailto:chris.maxw...@nettest.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 10:36 AM To: EMC-PSTC Internet Forum Subject: HiPot testing of DC mains powered products Hi all, I have a question. I have a 48VDC powered product which will be hipot and ground continuity tested off of the production line in order to maintain agency certification. The product uses D-shaped three pin power connector. (Same size as a DB15, but has three large power pins instead of 15 signal pins). When we sell the unit, we pack it with an accessory kit which includes a 15' cable assembly terminated with the mate to the product's power connector. So, essentially, we sell the unit with a "DC mains" cable that we make. Now, where should the hipot test be performed? Should I make a test cable assembly for the hipot/ground bond tester which is terminated with the proper connector so that the tester can plug directly into the chassis? This would essentially test the chassis only. (because we would use this same test cable for every unit) Or Should I take each unit and connect the DC mains cable to be shipped with it, then apply the hipot/ground bond probes to the other end of the DC mains cable? This would test the entire system including the chassis and the cable. In my mind, this question comes up because we are making a custom mains cable for this DC product. It is different than AC products; because, with AC products, we can test the chassis by itself and assume that the mains cable is OK because we buy mains cables that have been previously hipot/ground bond tested by their manufacturers. Any words of wisdom? Thanks, Chris Maxwell | Design Engineer - Optical Division email chris.maxw...@nettest.com | dir +1 315 266 5128 | fax +1 315 797 8024 NetTest | 6 Rhoads Drive, Utica, NY 13502 | USA web www.nettest.com | tel +1 315 797 4449 | --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
RE: Varient Model on Fcc.
It private branding of equipment A to become B is the issue, then there is no issue. The FCC ID belongs to the manufacturer of A and no change of the Grant is required. A new Grant would be required if the equipment were manufacturered by someone else. Richard Woods Sensormatic Electronics Tyco International -Original Message- From: John Juhasz [mailto:jjuh...@fiberoptions.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 12:35 PM To: 'Don Rhodes'; 'Jong Ho,Lee'; EMC-PSTC; EMC-PSTC Subject: RE: Varient Model on Fcc. I think what the question is here is not so much as 'Class' of emission levels I think he is refering to an OEM product. He is buying completed/fully-functional product A and will market it as product B. They are one in the same. His question is whether he can use (transfer) the FCC ID issued to product A on the marketed product B. I would like to know the same . . . John Juhasz Fiber Options Bohemia, NY -Original Message- From: Don Rhodes [mailto:don.rho...@infocus.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 11:23 AM To: 'Jong Ho,Lee'; EMC-PSTC; EMC-PSTC Subject: RE: Varient Model on Fcc. Tommy, I'm not exactly sure what you're asking. If you're asking if a Product which is labeled as Class A can be relabeled as a Class B product because they look the same, the answer is no. The product must be properly retested to assure its compliance with the Class B limits and then you must have a test report approved by the FCC. I have little doubt that if the two really were the same they would be labeled differently. Secondly, the FCC ID is a means of identifying the manufacturer. Therefore, unless your company is the holder of the FCC ID in question, I suggest you ask the printer manufacturer the question you're posing to the group. Respectfully, Don Rhodes EMC Engineering InFocus Corp. -Original Message- From: Jong Ho,Lee [mailto:upu...@samsung.com] Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 8:50 PM To: EMC-PSTC; EMC-PSTC Subject: Varient Model on Fcc. Hi folk. A model has Fcc ID.It is Printer. Our buyer sale A model product to maket as B . There are not differnt between A and B. So I will use same Fcc ID on buyer model. Is it possible? If not,How can I do for get Fcc ID ? Best regards. Tommy --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send ma
RE: Varient Model on Fcc.
I think what the question is here is not so much as 'Class' of emission levels I think he is refering to an OEM product. He is buying completed/fully-functional product A and will market it as product B. They are one in the same. His question is whether he can use (transfer) the FCC ID issued to product A on the marketed product B. I would like to know the same . . . John Juhasz Fiber Options Bohemia, NY -Original Message- From: Don Rhodes [mailto:don.rho...@infocus.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 11:23 AM To: 'Jong Ho,Lee'; EMC-PSTC; EMC-PSTC Subject: RE: Varient Model on Fcc. Tommy, I'm not exactly sure what you're asking. If you're asking if a Product which is labeled as Class A can be relabeled as a Class B product because they look the same, the answer is no. The product must be properly retested to assure its compliance with the Class B limits and then you must have a test report approved by the FCC. I have little doubt that if the two really were the same they would be labeled differently. Secondly, the FCC ID is a means of identifying the manufacturer. Therefore, unless your company is the holder of the FCC ID in question, I suggest you ask the printer manufacturer the question you're posing to the group. Respectfully, Don Rhodes EMC Engineering InFocus Corp. -Original Message- From: Jong Ho,Lee [mailto:upu...@samsung.com] Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 8:50 PM To: EMC-PSTC; EMC-PSTC Subject: Varient Model on Fcc. Hi folk. A model has Fcc ID.It is Printer. Our buyer sale A model product to maket as B . There are not differnt between A and B. So I will use same Fcc ID on buyer model. Is it possible? If not,How can I do for get Fcc ID ? Best regards. Tommy --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
RE: HiPot testing of DC mains powered products
If you conduct the functional tests of the chassis with the DC cable that ships with it, then it's not much of a hassle and you know that the whole package is fine. If you merely insert the cable during packing for shipment, consider doing a hi-pot on the cable itself on it's production line. Personally, I would prefer to test both, whether it was together or not. John Juhasz Fiber Options Bohemia, NY -Original Message- From: Chris Maxwell [mailto:chris.maxw...@nettest.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 10:36 AM To: EMC-PSTC Internet Forum Subject: HiPot testing of DC mains powered products Hi all, I have a question. I have a 48VDC powered product which will be hipot and ground continuity tested off of the production line in order to maintain agency certification. The product uses D-shaped three pin power connector. (Same size as a DB15, but has three large power pins instead of 15 signal pins). When we sell the unit, we pack it with an accessory kit which includes a 15' cable assembly terminated with the mate to the product's power connector. So, essentially, we sell the unit with a "DC mains" cable that we make. Now, where should the hipot test be performed? Should I make a test cable assembly for the hipot/ground bond tester which is terminated with the proper connector so that the tester can plug directly into the chassis? This would essentially test the chassis only. (because we would use this same test cable for every unit) Or Should I take each unit and connect the DC mains cable to be shipped with it, then apply the hipot/ground bond probes to the other end of the DC mains cable? This would test the entire system including the chassis and the cable. In my mind, this question comes up because we are making a custom mains cable for this DC product. It is different than AC products; because, with AC products, we can test the chassis by itself and assume that the mains cable is OK because we buy mains cables that have been previously hipot/ground bond tested by their manufacturers. Any words of wisdom? Thanks, Chris Maxwell | Design Engineer - Optical Division email chris.maxw...@nettest.com | dir +1 315 266 5128 | fax +1 315 797 8024 NetTest | 6 Rhoads Drive, Utica, NY 13502 | USA web www.nettest.com | tel +1 315 797 4449 | --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
RE: Varient Model on Fcc.
Tommy, I'm not exactly sure what you're asking. If you're asking if a Product which is labeled as Class A can be relabeled as a Class B product because they look the same, the answer is no. The product must be properly retested to assure its compliance with the Class B limits and then you must have a test report approved by the FCC. I have little doubt that if the two really were the same they would be labeled differently. Secondly, the FCC ID is a means of identifying the manufacturer. Therefore, unless your company is the holder of the FCC ID in question, I suggest you ask the printer manufacturer the question you're posing to the group. Respectfully, Don Rhodes EMC Engineering InFocus Corp. -Original Message- From: Jong Ho,Lee [mailto:upu...@samsung.com] Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 8:50 PM To: EMC-PSTC; EMC-PSTC Subject: Varient Model on Fcc. Hi folk. A model has Fcc ID.It is Printer. Our buyer sale A model product to maket as B . There are not differnt between A and B. So I will use same Fcc ID on buyer model. Is it possible? If not,How can I do for get Fcc ID ? Best regards. Tommy --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
RE: "Safety Critical" etc - the future
An industry specific guideline (SEMI S2, developed for the semiconductor manufacturing industry) that I spend a lot of time with has cautions against "hazardous power", defined as 240VA or greater regardless of the potential. In the same industry, fire risk is a very muddy topic to sort out. In a chip fab, even the smallest amount of smoke can cause thousands of dollars damage in an ultra-clean-room. It's often difficult to get people to sort out a fire that can destroy a building from one that can credibly cause significant harm to personnel. Although fire can cause immense amounts of damage, *generally speaking*, people rather successfully avoid it unless thier egress is impeded. It seems that to truely define the potential risk of most fires, one must understand a general model of the enviroment in which they will occur. It is very difficult to frame such a general model (with consensus acceptance) with a product sitting on a test bench. There are certainly some fires that are particularly threatening to personnel, such as colorless hydrogen fires. Most fires, however, are self-revealing. Of course one must appropriately consider explosions that may precede or follow a fire. -Lauren Crane -Original Message- From: Allen, John To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Sent: 11/6/2001 4:10 AM Subject: RE: "Safety Critical" etc - the future Hi Folks I agree with John W - and a single fire can (and does!) kill and injure FAR more people than a single electric shock. Additionally, a large number of products are SELV and/or battery operated where there is no shock hazard but is often a fire hazard - think of the power available from modern batteries, and especially vehicle batteries. John Allen Thales Defence Communications Division Bracknell, UK -Original Message- From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk] Sent: 05 November 2001 22:36 To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Re: "Safety Critical" etc - the future I read in !emc-pstc that CE-test - Ing. Gert Gremmen - ce-marking and more... wrote (in ) about '"Safety Critical" etc - the future', on Mon, 5 Nov 2001: >Those components that encapsulate into one single component the 2 safety >layers >that are normally used to isolate the operator (and others) from a hazard. >In electrical safety land that's mostly an electrical hazard A safety-critical component may be related to a fire hazard, not a shock hazard. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Eat mink and be dreary! --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
HiPot testing of DC mains powered products
Hi all, I have a question. I have a 48VDC powered product which will be hipot and ground continuity tested off of the production line in order to maintain agency certification. The product uses D-shaped three pin power connector. (Same size as a DB15, but has three large power pins instead of 15 signal pins). When we sell the unit, we pack it with an accessory kit which includes a 15' cable assembly terminated with the mate to the product's power connector. So, essentially, we sell the unit with a "DC mains" cable that we make. Now, where should the hipot test be performed? Should I make a test cable assembly for the hipot/ground bond tester which is terminated with the proper connector so that the tester can plug directly into the chassis? This would essentially test the chassis only. (because we would use this same test cable for every unit) Or Should I take each unit and connect the DC mains cable to be shipped with it, then apply the hipot/ground bond probes to the other end of the DC mains cable? This would test the entire system including the chassis and the cable. In my mind, this question comes up because we are making a custom mains cable for this DC product. It is different than AC products; because, with AC products, we can test the chassis by itself and assume that the mains cable is OK because we buy mains cables that have been previously hipot/ground bond tested by their manufacturers. Any words of wisdom? Thanks, Chris Maxwell | Design Engineer - Optical Division email chris.maxw...@nettest.com | dir +1 315 266 5128 | fax +1 315 797 8024 NetTest | 6 Rhoads Drive, Utica, NY 13502 | USA web www.nettest.com | tel +1 315 797 4449 | --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
NFPA 130 testing
I am looking for a lab that help with this testing. Please reply offline. Thanks, David David Gelfand Regulatory Approvals Kontron Communications Montreal Canada --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
RE: "Safety Critical" etc - the future
Not to mention Lithium Batteries. An "A" sized LiSo2 cell can still deliver more than 90 (NINETY) Amps After being short circuited for 15 minutes. Lithiums can also explode - which is why it take many hours to verity and test the charging and ANTI-charging circuits in some products. Gregg Hi Folks I agree with John W - and a single fire can (and does!) kill and injure FAR more people than a single electric shock. Additionally, a large number of products are SELV and/or battery operated where there is no shock hazard but is often a fire hazard - think of the power available from modern batteries, and especially vehicle batteries. John Allen --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
Re: "Safety Critical" etc - the future
I think this gets back to what John W originally stated. A safety critical component is any component whose failure, modification or absence, will affect the safety of the product. Front of 950, defines also defines Safe as not causing a fire hazard. There is no clear cut list of what is safety critical and what is only functional. That is what Safety Engineers and fault testing is for. "Allen, John" wrote: > Hi Folks > > I agree with John W - and a single fire can (and does!) kill and injure FAR > more people than a single electric shock. > > Additionally, a large number of products are SELV and/or battery operated > where there is no shock hazard but is often a fire hazard - think of the > power available from modern batteries, and especially vehicle batteries. > > John Allen > Thales Defence Communications Division > Bracknell, UK > > -Original Message- > From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk] > Sent: 05 November 2001 22:36 > To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org > Subject: Re: "Safety Critical" etc - the future > > I read in !emc-pstc that CE-test - Ing. Gert Gremmen - ce-marking and > more... wrote (in t...@cetest.nl>) about '"Safety Critical" etc - the future', on Mon, 5 Nov > 2001: > >Those components that encapsulate into one single component the 2 safety > >layers > >that are normally used to isolate the operator (and others) from a hazard. > >In electrical safety land that's mostly an electrical hazard > > A safety-critical component may be related to a fire hazard, not a shock > hazard. > -- > Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk > > Eat mink and be dreary! > > --- > This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety > Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. > > Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ > > To cancel your subscription, send mail to: > majord...@ieee.org > with the single line: > unsubscribe emc-pstc > > For help, send mail to the list administrators: > Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org > Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net > > For policy questions, send mail to: > Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org > Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org > > All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: > No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old > messages are imported into the new server. > > --- > This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety > Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. > > Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ > > To cancel your subscription, send mail to: > majord...@ieee.org > with the single line: > unsubscribe emc-pstc > > For help, send mail to the list administrators: > Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org > Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net > > For policy questions, send mail to: > Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org > Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org > > All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: > No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old > messages are imported into the new server. -- Andrew Carson - Product Safety Engineer, Xyratex, UK Phone: +44 (0)23 9249 6855 Fax: +44 (0)23 9249 6014 --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
RE: "Safety Critical" etc - the future
Hi John and John We all know hazards come in all colours of the rainbow especially fire hazards :<) My mail however, is no just targeted to electric shocks, they were just used as a familar example showing the distinction -to my opinion- between safety critical and just safety related components, and illustrating the concept of double layer of safety measures, whatever the hazard may be. -Original Message- From: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org]On Behalf Of Allen, John Sent: dinsdag 6 november 2001 10:10 To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: RE: "Safety Critical" etc - the future Hi Folks I agree with John W - and a single fire can (and does!) kill and injure FAR more people than a single electric shock. Additionally, a large number of products are SELV and/or battery operated where there is no shock hazard but is often a fire hazard - think of the power available from modern batteries, and especially vehicle batteries. John Allen Thales Defence Communications Division Bracknell, UK -Original Message- From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk] Sent: 05 November 2001 22:36 To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Re: "Safety Critical" etc - the future I read in !emc-pstc that CE-test - Ing. Gert Gremmen - ce-marking and more... wrote (in ) about '"Safety Critical" etc - the future', on Mon, 5 Nov 2001: >Those components that encapsulate into one single component the 2 safety >layers >that are normally used to isolate the operator (and others) from a hazard. >In electrical safety land that's mostly an electrical hazard A safety-critical component may be related to a fire hazard, not a shock hazard. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Eat mink and be dreary! --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
Re: CLASS 11(DOUBLE INSULATED) & 2/3-CORE CABLE
I read in !emc-pstc that Ted Rook wrote (in ) about 'CLASS 11(DOUBLE INSULATED) & 2/3-CORE CABLE', on Mon, 5 Nov 2001: >Could the grounding safety issues we are confronted by have been avoided if >the >incoming AC supply had remained 'balanced' that is, not referenced to local >ground anywhere? No; France and Norway have 'IT' systems, in which grounding is only to prevent static charge build-up; the neutral is grounded through an impedance at the sub-station. AIUI, this is used in mountainous districts where ground paths are long and of low conductivity. There are significant differences between the French and Norwegian systems. > >Or to put it another way. > >Some where along the way it was decided to ground the neutral at the premises >entrance. Why? This applies in the US and many European countries, but not to UK or France. > >What is the advantage? and to whom? Several advantages, to the user and to the utility. > >I feel I should already know the answer, but I don't. > >Any offers? - Multiple grounding reduces 'ground lift' with high-current faults; - Reduced ground return impedance ensures that protective devices operate on live to ground faults; - Protection against open-neutral faults, capable of frying cables and installations. > >(which reminds me of the fact that it was the catalog of an American parts >supplier which taught me why we have fused domestic plugs in the UK and not >elsewhere; because the UK domestic wiring uses ring distribution through the >house. The ring has a single thirty amp rated fuse and so can supply over >twice >the current rating of an individual outlet. Primary protection takes place >inside the appliance outlet plug which has 13A fuse rating. The resettable >magnetic breakers that are so familiar to everyone in 120V territory are >unknown >in the UK.) Not so; the rings in my house have 32 A miniature breakers, not fuses. The lighting circuits have 6 A breakers. The water heater has a 16 A breaker. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Eat mink and be dreary! --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
RE: "Safety Critical" etc - the future
Hi Folks I agree with John W - and a single fire can (and does!) kill and injure FAR more people than a single electric shock. Additionally, a large number of products are SELV and/or battery operated where there is no shock hazard but is often a fire hazard - think of the power available from modern batteries, and especially vehicle batteries. John Allen Thales Defence Communications Division Bracknell, UK -Original Message- From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk] Sent: 05 November 2001 22:36 To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Re: "Safety Critical" etc - the future I read in !emc-pstc that CE-test - Ing. Gert Gremmen - ce-marking and more... wrote (in ) about '"Safety Critical" etc - the future', on Mon, 5 Nov 2001: >Those components that encapsulate into one single component the 2 safety >layers >that are normally used to isolate the operator (and others) from a hazard. >In electrical safety land that's mostly an electrical hazard A safety-critical component may be related to a fire hazard, not a shock hazard. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Eat mink and be dreary! --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
Re: "Safety Critical" etc - the future
I read in !emc-pstc that CE-test - Ing. Gert Gremmen - ce-marking and more... wrote (in ) about '"Safety Critical" etc - the future', on Mon, 5 Nov 2001: >Those components that encapsulate into one single component the 2 safety >layers >that are normally used to isolate the operator (and others) from a hazard. >In electrical safety land that's mostly an electrical hazard A safety-critical component may be related to a fire hazard, not a shock hazard. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Eat mink and be dreary! --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
Varient Model on Fcc.
Hi folk. A model has Fcc ID.It is Printer. Our buyer sale A model product to maket as B . There are not differnt between A and B. So I will use same Fcc ID on buyer model. Is it possible? If not,How can I do for get Fcc ID ? Best regards. Tommy --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
