RE: China approvals - CCC

2002-07-12 Thread Leslie Bai 

Scott,
Go to www.siemic.com , click "ccc" to download a 10-page complete introduction 
of CCC mark.
Leslie
 
  Scott Douglas  wrote: 
Can anyone provide web links to look at these catalogues? I am interested to 
see if our products are on the list.

Thanks,

Scott


At 08:02 AM 7/12/02 -0700, Joshua Wiseman wrote:

Amund, 

I think you should also take a look at the old CCIB scheme.  The CCC is still 
developing standards at this time.  I believe it is safe to say that if your 
product was in the catalog for CCIB it will be for CCC as well.  I also 
understand that CCC will cover more products than CCIB did as well.  If nothing 
else keep your ear to the door you may find yourself working toward CCC 
approval in the future.

Good Luck, 
Josh 

Josh Wiseman 
EMC/Product Safety 
(714) 368-2737 
[mailto:jwise...@printronix.com] 

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Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 1:39 AM 
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Subject: China approvals - CCC 


Hi all, 

Rules and Procedures for Compulsory Product Certification were implemented 
on May 1, 2002. The certification mark is referred to as "China Compulsory 
Certification (CCC)". The first Catalogue of Products Subject to Compulsory 
Certification is now released. 

Question: 
If my product is not listed in the catalogue, does it mean what I do not 
have to document compliance to the EMC or electrical safety requirements ? 
no need for Chinese certification ? 

I have be told so via "competent" sources. I would like to check the 
discussion form for other views. 

Best regards 
Amund Westin, Oslo/Norway 


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RE: Open chassis computers for sale - with neon lights?

2002-07-12 Thread Jeff Klinger 

George,

The method for testing motherboards is intended to be combined with the DoC
method of declaring compliance based on individual testing of the components
that comprise the full computer system, i.e. Assembled from tested
components. The final computer system is still required to meet the FCC
Class B limit just as if it was tested, even though it was not. I suppose
that a small (extremely small) chance exists that the final system could
pass if tested.

The loophole here may be the "Home-Built devices" clause, Title 47 part
15.23. Where the device is not marketed or constructed from a kit. This
allows for five or less devices built for personal use without the need for
compliance testing (FCC only).

Jeff Klinger
Director EMC Engineering
Compatible Electronics, Inc.
Ph: 714-579-0500  Fx: 714-528-8984
http://www.celectronics.com
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Subject: Open chassis computers for sale - with neon lights?



Hi Folks,

I just walked into three local computer stores (west coast, USA) and found
that desktop computers have become art forms.   There are computer cases for
sale with large plexiglass windows  about (10in x12in), some with a fan in
the middle of the plexiglass panel, and inside the case, there is a 12 inch
long neon lamp, powered from the ATX power supply just like any installable
drive.  Through the window, one can see the motherboard,  CPU heatsink, etc,
all illuminated by the Neon light.   Its the latest in computer fashion, I
suppose.

I asked a few questions at the stores and found at there are least 2
manufacturers, and that one can obtain kits on the internet to do the same
modification at home.

After looking at the computer cases, I would expect them to radiate about
the same as an open chassis though possibly more directional.  My question
would be, is there any loophole through which this is legal, or is this the
blatant violation that it looks like.  I've heard that there is a
requirement for computer motherboards to fall within some radiated level
with an open chassis.  Is that correct and could that be the rational here?


George Stults


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Open chassis computers for sale - with neon lights?

2002-07-12 Thread George Stults 

Hi Folks,

I just walked into three local computer stores (west coast, USA) and found
that desktop computers have become art forms.   There are computer cases for
sale with large plexiglass windows  about (10in x12in), some with a fan in
the middle of the plexiglass panel, and inside the case, there is a 12 inch
long neon lamp, powered from the ATX power supply just like any installable
drive.  Through the window, one can see the motherboard,  CPU heatsink, etc,
all illuminated by the Neon light.   Its the latest in computer fashion, I
suppose.

I asked a few questions at the stores and found at there are least 2
manufacturers, and that one can obtain kits on the internet to do the same
modification at home.

After looking at the computer cases, I would expect them to radiate about
the same as an open chassis though possibly more directional.  My question
would be, is there any loophole through which this is legal, or is this the
blatant violation that it looks like.  I've heard that there is a
requirement for computer motherboards to fall within some radiated level
with an open chassis.  Is that correct and could that be the rational here?


George Stults


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Re: EN60950 3rd vs EN60950-1

2002-07-12 Thread Ron Pickard 


Hi Allen,

Thanks for your reply, however, I highly doubt that these products will be 
obsoleted by then, which
is the source of my concern and my query.

Also, at some standards purchasing houses, I've noticed that EN60950 3rd 
Edition has been, or is
being, superceded by EN60950-1. This has caused me to ask the question of OJ 
publication.

Best regards,

Ron Pickard
rpick...@hypercom.com




 
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Ron,
There is usually a few years transition followed by a a few more years grand 
fathering period when a
new
standard introduced. Your product may be obsolete by then.
Allen

Ron Pickard wrote:

> To all,
>
> I am trying to decide, not if, but to which of the above standards must be 
> complied with on a
> logistics basis.
>
> Does anyone have any knowledge as to when EN60950-1 harmonization will get 
> published in the OJ?
When
> is it expected? I know that EN60950-1 is not yet officially harmonized under 
> the LVD yet, but
> EN69050 3rd Edition is.
>
> I do not want to go through the time and expense (not insignificant) to 
> acquire CB certs/reports
to
> IEC/EN60950 3rd to only find out that I have to go through it all over again 
> for conformance to
> IEC/EN60950-1 shortly thereafter. Management will not find it palatable going 
> through this twice
> when only once would have sufficed.
>
> However, I will do what I have to do, but it will be nice to have a bit of 
> guidance here. And, I'm
> sure that I'm not the only one in this predicament.
>
> Any replies would certainly be appreciated.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Ron Pickard
> rpick...@hypercom.com
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Re: EN60950 3rd vs EN60950-1

2002-07-12 Thread Allen Kemevor 
Ron,
There is usually a few years transition followed by a a few more years grand 
fathering period when a new
standard introduced. Your product may be obsolete by then.
Allen

Ron Pickard wrote:

> To all,
>
> I am trying to decide, not if, but to which of the above standards must be 
> complied with on a
> logistics basis.
>
> Does anyone have any knowledge as to when EN60950-1 harmonization will get 
> published in the OJ? When
> is it expected? I know that EN60950-1 is not yet officially harmonized under 
> the LVD yet, but
> EN69050 3rd Edition is.
>
> I do not want to go through the time and expense (not insignificant) to 
> acquire CB certs/reports to
> IEC/EN60950 3rd to only find out that I have to go through it all over again 
> for conformance to
> IEC/EN60950-1 shortly thereafter. Management will not find it palatable going 
> through this twice
> when only once would have sufficed.
>
> However, I will do what I have to do, but it will be nice to have a bit of 
> guidance here. And, I'm
> sure that I'm not the only one in this predicament.
>
> Any replies would certainly be appreciated.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Ron Pickard
> rpick...@hypercom.com
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RE: China approvals - CCC

2002-07-12 Thread Fred Borda 


Hi Scott,

We happen to have the documents related to the CCC mark up on our web site:

http://www.typeapproval.com/cn/emc.html

-Fred Borda
Compliance International


At PM 03:11 07/12/02 -0400, Scott Douglas wrote:

Can anyone provide web links to look at these catalogues? I am interested 
to see if our products are on the list.


Thanks,

Scott


At 08:02 AM 7/12/02 -0700, Joshua Wiseman wrote:


Amund,

I think you should also take a look at the old CCIB scheme.  The CCC is 
still developing standards at this time.  I believe it is safe to say 
that if your product was in the catalog for CCIB it will be for CCC as 
well.  I also understand that CCC will cover more products than CCIB did 
as well.  If nothing else keep your ear to the door you may find yourself 
working toward CCC approval in the future.


Good Luck,
Josh

Josh Wiseman
EMC/Product Safety
(714) 368-2737
[mailto:jwise...@printronix.com]

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[mailto:am...@westin-emission.no]

Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 1:39 AM
To: Emc-Pstc Group (E-mail)
Subject: China approvals - CCC


Hi all,

Rules and Procedures for Compulsory Product Certification were implemented
on May 1, 2002. The certification mark is referred to as "China Compulsory
Certification (CCC)". The first Catalogue of Products Subject to Compulsory
Certification is now released.

Question:
If my product is not listed in the catalogue, does it mean what I do not
have to document compliance to the EMC or electrical safety requirements ?
no need for Chinese certification ?

I have be told so via "competent" sources. I would like to check the
discussion form for other views.

Best regards
Amund Westin, Oslo/Norway


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RE: China approvals - CCC

2002-07-12 Thread Kazimier_Gawrzyjal 
Scott,
 
Here's a few links...can't vouch for vintage or accuracy though.
 
http://www.cqc.com.cn/ccc-e.htm  
http://www.cqc.com.cn/ccc/catalogureeng.pdf
 
 
My opinion and not that of my employer.
 
Regards,
Kaz
kazimier_gawrzy...@dell.com  
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Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 2:11 PM
To: Emc-Pstc Group (E-mail)
Subject: RE: China approvals - CCC



Can anyone provide web links to look at these catalogues? I am interested to
see if our products are on the list.

Thanks,

Scott


At 08:02 AM 7/12/02 -0700, Joshua Wiseman wrote:



Amund, 

I think you should also take a look at the old CCIB scheme.  The CCC is
still developing standards at this time.  I believe it is safe to say that
if your product was in the catalog for CCIB it will be for CCC as well.  I
also understand that CCC will cover more products than CCIB did as well.  If
nothing else keep your ear to the door you may find yourself working toward
CCC approval in the future.

Good Luck, 
Josh 

Josh Wiseman 
EMC/Product Safety 
(714) 368-2737 
[ mailto:jwise...@printronix.com  ] 

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From: am...@westin-emission.no [ mailto:am...@westin-emission.no
 ] 
Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 1:39 AM 
To: Emc-Pstc Group (E-mail) 
Subject: China approvals - CCC 


Hi all, 

Rules and Procedures for Compulsory Product Certification were implemented 
on May 1, 2002. The certification mark is referred to as "China Compulsory 
Certification (CCC)". The first Catalogue of Products Subject to Compulsory 
Certification is now released. 

Question: 
If my product is not listed in the catalogue, does it mean what I do not 
have to document compliance to the EMC or electrical safety requirements ? 
no need for Chinese certification ? 

I have be told so via "competent" sources. I would like to check the 
discussion form for other views. 

Best regards 
Amund Westin, Oslo/Norway 


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RE: EN60950 3rd vs EN60950-1

2002-07-12 Thread Peter Tarver 

Ron -

I do not have a view on publication of EN60950-1 in the OJ,
but the IEC Web Store indicates a Technical Report Form was
created in APR2002 and is available.


Regards,

Peter L. Tarver, PE
Product Safety Manager
Sanmina-SCI Homologation Services
San Jose, CA
peter.tar...@sanmina-sci.com

> -Original Message-
> From: Ron Pickard
> Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 9:30 AM
>
> To all,
>
> I am trying to decide, not if, but to which of
> the above standards must be complied with on a
> logistics basis.
>
> Does anyone have any knowledge as to when
> EN60950-1 harmonization will get published in the OJ? When
> is it expected? I know that EN60950-1 is not yet
> officially harmonized under the LVD yet, but
> EN69050 3rd Edition is.
>
> I do not want to go through the time and expense
> (not insignificant) to acquire CB certs/reports to
> IEC/EN60950 3rd to only find out that I have to
> go through it all over again for conformance to
> IEC/EN60950-1 shortly thereafter. Management will
> not find it palatable going through this twice
> when only once would have sufficed.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Ron Pickard
> rpick...@hypercom.com


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RE: China approvals - CCC

2002-07-12 Thread Scott Douglas 


Can anyone provide web links to look at these catalogues? I am interested 
to see if our products are on the list.


Thanks,

Scott


At 08:02 AM 7/12/02 -0700, Joshua Wiseman wrote:


Amund,

I think you should also take a look at the old CCIB scheme.  The CCC is 
still developing standards at this time.  I believe it is safe to say that 
if your product was in the catalog for CCIB it will be for CCC as well.  I 
also understand that CCC will cover more products than CCIB did as 
well.  If nothing else keep your ear to the door you may find yourself 
working toward CCC approval in the future.


Good Luck,
Josh

Josh Wiseman
EMC/Product Safety
(714) 368-2737
[mailto:jwise...@printronix.com]

-Original Message-
From: am...@westin-emission.no 
[mailto:am...@westin-emission.no]

Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 1:39 AM
To: Emc-Pstc Group (E-mail)
Subject: China approvals - CCC


Hi all,

Rules and Procedures for Compulsory Product Certification were implemented
on May 1, 2002. The certification mark is referred to as "China Compulsory
Certification (CCC)". The first Catalogue of Products Subject to Compulsory
Certification is now released.

Question:
If my product is not listed in the catalogue, does it mean what I do not
have to document compliance to the EMC or electrical safety requirements ?
no need for Chinese certification ?

I have be told so via "competent" sources. I would like to check the
discussion form for other views.

Best regards
Amund Westin, Oslo/Norway


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Re: China approvals - CCC

2002-07-12 Thread Leslie Bai 

In fact, the CCC mark was delayed to be implemented on July 1, 2002, 
accoordingly, the one-year transition period will end on July 1, 2003.
If your product is under old system, be careful to say it is not covered under 
CCC, because the CCC product list may not be clear enough however, it does 
indicate that "others..." in some categories.
In addition,  even CCC isn't applicable to your product, it doesn't always mean 
you do not have to document compliance for EMC or safety. Your product may be 
under other regulations, e.g. NAL/NAI. Sometimes, they do need documentation of 
EMC compliance when you submit such applications.
The best bet is to have a good communication with authorities before exporting 
your product.
Leslie
 
  am...@westin-emission.no wrote: 
Hi all,

Rules and Procedures for Compulsory Product Certification were implemented
on May 1, 2002. The certification mark is referred to as “China Compulsory
Certification (CCC)”. The first Catalogue of Products Subject to Compulsory
Certification is now released.

Question:
If my product is not listed in the catalogue, does it mean what I do not
have to document compliance to the EMC or electrical safety requirements ?
no need for Chinese certification ?

I have be told so via "competent" sources. I would like to check the
discussion form for other views.

Best regards
Amund Westin, Oslo/Norway



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EN60950 3rd vs EN60950-1

2002-07-12 Thread Ron Pickard 

To all,

I am trying to decide, not if, but to which of the above standards must be 
complied with on a
logistics basis.

Does anyone have any knowledge as to when EN60950-1 harmonization will get 
published in the OJ? When
is it expected? I know that EN60950-1 is not yet officially harmonized under 
the LVD yet, but
EN69050 3rd Edition is.

I do not want to go through the time and expense (not insignificant) to acquire 
CB certs/reports to
IEC/EN60950 3rd to only find out that I have to go through it all over again 
for conformance to
IEC/EN60950-1 shortly thereafter. Management will not find it palatable going 
through this twice
when only once would have sufficed.

However, I will do what I have to do, but it will be nice to have a bit of 
guidance here. And, I'm
sure that I'm not the only one in this predicament.

Any replies would certainly be appreciated.

Best regards,

Ron Pickard
rpick...@hypercom.com



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RE: IP phone interfaces.

2002-07-12 Thread Garry Hojan 

Hi Gary,

Is this just a pass thru port or will the system have any functionality on
the port (e.g. automatic dialing)?

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Sent:   Friday, July 12, 2002 8:51 AM
To: EMC-PSTC (E-mail)
Subject:IP phone interfaces.


We have a device that in the case of power loss, will  release a relay
contact that will connect a standard phone to phone lines.  Under normal
operation there is no connection, voice is digitized and Ethernet Packatized
and sent out fiber optic cables.
We do not design or supply the phone, which would have to have all of 
the
FCC part 68 and RT &T directives met. We just allow a copper path to be
made.
So my first thoughts are that I am closer to being just a hunk of 
telephone
hook-up wire than a phone or modem, but I will need to protect the physical
relay inside my box appropriately, meeting the ITE standard UL 60950 and EN
60950 appropriately, but not the full requirements of the other referenced
standards.
What say ye sages?
Thanks
Gary

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Re: China approvals - CCC

2002-07-12 Thread Fred Borda 


Hi Amund,

The intention of the new regulations is that if the product does not appear 
on the current list (catalogue) then the CCC mark is not required. However, 
as you've no doubt seen, some of the items listed in the catalog are 
somewhat vague or broad ("other data terminal," "other multimedia 
terminal"). Since this revised scheme has just gone into effect, officials 
charged with implementing it are just beginning to interpret some of the 
items listed in the catalogue. If you have a product that might be classed 
as one of the items in the catalogue, but it's not entirely clear, it's a 
good idea to get a confirmation from the regulatory authority.


Hope this helps.

Best regards,

-Fred Borda
Compliance International
www.typeapproval.com


At AM 10:39 07/12/02 +0200, am...@westin-emission.no wrote:


Hi all,

Rules and Procedures for Compulsory Product Certification were implemented
on May 1, 2002. The certification mark is referred to as 鼎hina Compulsory
Certification (CCC)\xC7 The first Catalogue of Products Subject to Compulsory
Certification is now released.

Question:
If my product is not listed in the catalogue, does it mean what I do not
have to document compliance to the EMC or electrical safety requirements ?
no need for Chinese certification ?

I have be told so via "competent" sources. I would like to check the
discussion form for other views.

Best regards
Amund Westin, Oslo/Norway



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IP phone interfaces.

2002-07-12 Thread Gary McInturff 

We have a device that in the case of power loss, will  release a relay 
contact that will connect a standard phone to phone lines.  Under normal 
operation there is no connection, voice is digitized and Ethernet Packatized 
and sent out fiber optic cables.
We do not design or supply the phone, which would have to have all of 
the FCC part 68 and RT &T directives met. We just allow a copper path to be 
made.
So my first thoughts are that I am closer to being just a hunk of 
telephone hook-up wire than a phone or modem, but I will need to protect the 
physical relay inside my box appropriately, meeting the ITE standard UL 60950 
and EN 60950 appropriately, but not the full requirements of the other 
referenced standards.
What say ye sages?
Thanks
Gary

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RE: China approvals - CCC

2002-07-12 Thread Joshua Wiseman 
Amund,

I think you should also take a look at the old CCIB scheme.  The CCC is
still developing standards at this time.  I believe it is safe to say that
if your product was in the catalog for CCIB it will be for CCC as well.  I
also understand that CCC will cover more products than CCIB did as well.  If
nothing else keep your ear to the door you may find yourself working toward
CCC approval in the future.

Good Luck,
Josh

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-Original Message-
From: am...@westin-emission.no [mailto:am...@westin-emission.no]
Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 1:39 AM
To: Emc-Pstc Group (E-mail)
Subject: China approvals - CCC



Hi all,

Rules and Procedures for Compulsory Product Certification were implemented
on May 1, 2002. The certification mark is referred to as "China Compulsory
Certification (CCC)". The first Catalogue of Products Subject to Compulsory
Certification is now released.

Question:
If my product is not listed in the catalogue, does it mean what I do not
have to document compliance to the EMC or electrical safety requirements ?
no need for Chinese certification ?

I have be told so via "competent" sources. I would like to check the
discussion form for other views.

Best regards
Amund Westin, Oslo/Norway



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RE: China approvals - CCC

2002-07-12 Thread David Heald 

After looking through the "Circular Relevant to the Implementation of the
Compulsory Product Certification System", I found the following in section
2.5:

Starting from May 1, 2002, with regard to products for which the Old
Certificate and the Old Mark was compulsory but no longer covered by the
Catalogue this time, the Old Certificate and the Old Mark will not be
required when they are marketed or imported.

So this says that the old mark no longer needs to be applied to products not
covered in the Catalogue.  By extension, it sounds as if we could argue that
this indicates that the new CCC mark doesn't apply either.(?)

Best Regards,
Dave Heald

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Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 4:39 AM
To: Emc-Pstc Group (E-mail)
Subject: China approvals - CCC



Hi all,

Rules and Procedures for Compulsory Product Certification were implemented
on May 1, 2002. The certification mark is referred to as "China Compulsory
Certification (CCC)". The first Catalogue of Products Subject to Compulsory
Certification is now released.

Question:
If my product is not listed in the catalogue, does it mean what I do not
have to document compliance to the EMC or electrical safety requirements ?
no need for Chinese certification ?

I have be told so via "competent" sources. I would like to check the
discussion form for other views.

Best regards
Amund Westin, Oslo/Norway



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RE: China approvals - CCC

2002-07-12 Thread John Lach 
  RE: China approvals - CCC7/12/02
Hi Amund,
That is correct, if your product does not appear in the Compulsory List it does 
not need to be tested to "Chinese Standards" and can be imported into China 
without the "CCC" mark.  The company I work for is now going through the 
application process so I have become very familiar with the requirements.

John


amund wrote:
>
>Hi all,
>
>Rules and Procedures for Compulsory Product Certification were implemented
>on May 1, 2002. The certification mark is referred to as “China Compulsory
>Certification (CCC)”. The first Catalogue of Products Subject to Compulsory
>Certification is now released.
>
>Question:
>If my product is not listed in the catalogue, does it mean what I do not
>have to document compliance to the EMC or electrical safety requirements ?
>no need for Chinese certification ?
>
>I have be told so via "competent" sources. I would like to check the
>discussion form for other views.
>
>Best regards
>Amund Westin, Oslo/Norway
>
>
>
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Re: 55022 Class A or B

2002-07-12 Thread david.graham 

Hi Anil,
As you rightly point out, the nub of the matter is the physical location of
the equipment during use rather than who might purchase it.
EN 61000-6-1 gives the following definition (along with some examples)
that's a bit more objective than that given in 55022:

" Locations which are characterised by being supplied directly at low
voltage from the public mains network are considered to be residential,
commercial or light industrial "

That said of course, you have to make the judgement based on the definition
given in the standard you're obliged to comply with.
Regards,

Dave Graham,

RCC Ltd.
37 High Street, Manea,
March, Cambs,
PE15 0JD, UK
T: 01354 688310
M: 07764 199768
F: 0870 1319036

- Original Message -
From: Anil Allamaneni 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 6:52 PM
Subject: 55022 Class A or B


>
> Greetings,
>
> We have a product that our marketing wants to classify as Class A for
Europe
> ITE spec (55022). It is an IAD with XDSL uplink, and multiple ISDN BRI,
and
> 10BaseT LAN, and X21/V35. Questions :
>
> 1) Can the manufacturer/maketing define a product pretty much the way they
> want to, if the product falls in the gray area of Residential/Commercial?
We
> don't foresee people buying this product off-shelf from a local store
>
> 2) I read the spec again, and it says if our product is likely to be
within
> 10 meters of broadcast radio and television, we are Class B, if not Class
A.
> Would you consdider this a good approach to define Class for ITE products?
>
> Thanks
>
> Anil A.
>
> Occam Networks.
>
>
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ACOUSTIC NOISE MEASUREMENTS

2002-07-12 Thread Gordon,Ian 

Everybody
I have read a number of papers on noise measurement but am still unsure
about the current standards we should apply when type testing industrial
products for compliance with the Machinery Directive. The products will only
be used indoors. Can you offer any advice?
Furthermore, as part of our production quality control procedures we run
products in a small sound chamber to identify those which may have
mechanical defects. Thus we would like to be able to "extrapolate" the type
test results to the production environment with the minimum of extra
measurement but maximum accuracy. Can you offer any advice on what
measurement techniques would enable us to do this?

  
Thanks


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China approvals - CCC

2002-07-12 Thread amund 

Hi all,

Rules and Procedures for Compulsory Product Certification were implemented
on May 1, 2002. The certification mark is referred to as “China Compulsory
Certification (CCC)”. The first Catalogue of Products Subject to Compulsory
Certification is now released.

Question:
If my product is not listed in the catalogue, does it mean what I do not
have to document compliance to the EMC or electrical safety requirements ?
no need for Chinese certification ?

I have be told so via "competent" sources. I would like to check the
discussion form for other views.

Best regards
Amund Westin, Oslo/Norway



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Re: Chemical Compliance/Product Safety/EMC

2002-07-12 Thread Cortland Richmond 

Joe Martin (marti...@appliedbiosystems.com) asked:

>>Our company is planning on moving the Chemical Compliance Department from
the Quality Systems Department to the Compliance Engineering Department
(Product Safety/EMC).  What do you see the advantages are in this
restructuring?<<

Depends if the focus is products, or facilities. If it's products focussed,
you will gain materials expertise (plastics, platings, etc.) that could
help you in safety and mechanical design. If it's facilities, I don't see
an advantage to you. There may be an administrative edge in having all the
organizational critics where those they criticize can't get at them. Or is
the idea to group you all together so as to be an easier target? (grin)

Cortland

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Chemical Compliance/Product Safety/EMC

2002-07-12 Thread MartinJP 

Our company is planning on moving the Chemical Compliance Department from
the Quality Systems Department to the Compliance Engineering Department
(Product Safety/EMC).  What do you see the advantages are in this
restructuring?

All responses are appreciated.

Regards

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