CCC Mark
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RE: UL approvals
Carl wrote: 2. A manufacturer certified to perform their own UL compliance subject to verification by UL, can the manufacturer build systems while waiting for final approvals; and would it be possible for the manufacturer to build and ship such a product without applying the UL mark? Same rules as if you submitted the product to UL for certification, Technically you are not allowed to mark product with the UL mark which was built before you received the UL approval letter allowing the marking...You can however build and mark product once UL issues you a certification letter (NOA letter) and don't have to wait for the UL descriptive report to be issued as this can take 3-4 weeks to make it through the UL system.You can always ship with out the UL Mark but as mentioned there are a number of States in the U.S. which legally require a Nationally Recognized Test Lab (NTRL) Mark on the product to sell introduce it into the State.. Does this answer the question?? From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Richards, Carl Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 2:12 PM To: Jim Bacher; emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: UL approvals Jim and All who responded, Many thanks for all the input, most of which confirmed what I thought I knew. The current un-answered question is regard to the UL/Manufacturer compliancy scheme, hopefully someone will read this who can answer it. All the best Carl Carl Richards, Regulatory Compliance Manager, Aspect Software 2, The Square Stockley Park, Uxbridge, UB11 1AD, United Kingdom +44 (0)208 589 1461 Office +44 (0)870 460 1950 Fax +44 (0)7875 27 1461 Mobile www.aspect.com From: Jim Bacher [mailto:jim.bac...@paxar.com] Sent: 10 April 2006 18:27 To: Richards, Carl; emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: UL approvals Carl, others have answered your question about marking, but keep in mind that there are state laws and federal regulations in the USA that require that all products have a NRTL listing. So if you are talking about prototypes, no big deal. However, if you are talking about production products, you could run into issues. Ref: OSHA: 29 CFR 1910, NEC 110-2 and Oregon law : 479.610 http://landru.leg.state.or.us/ors/479.html Jim Jim Bacher Senior Engineer Paxar Americas, Inc. 170 Monarch Lane Miamisburg, Ohio 45342 Voice: 937-865-2020 Fax: 937-865-2048 email: jim.bac...@paxar.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
CCC Mark
Return Receipt Your CCC Mark document: was received John Radomski/Aut/Schneider by: at: 04/10/2006 15:03:00 - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
RE: EN61000-4-2:1995 Question
It also depends on the type of equipment and intended use. For example, testing an composite video/audio cable (where the innner pin is *much* longer than the outer shell - henc no protection) would be a really good idea. Chas _ From: emc-p...@ieee.org on behalf of John Woodgate Sent: Fri 4/7/2006 12:02 PM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Re: EN61000-4-2:1995 Question In message de87437fe365cb458c265ea3d73b6f1d01821...@xbc-mail1.xantrex.com, dated Fri, 7 Apr 2006, Jim Eichner jim.eich...@xantrex.com writes BUT...regardless of consumer vs military vs industrial, testing to the pins is a good idea from a reliability point of view. There are differing views on this. Some say that the ESD pulses can create damage that doesn't surface until the equipment has been in service for some time. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. Try www.jmwa.demon.co.uk and www.isce.org.uk 2006 is YMMVI- Your mileage may vary immensely. John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
RE: Fw: FCC equipment authorization: Have RFID devices operating @ 13.56 MHz been exempted from conducted emission testing?
FCC conducted emissions rules as specified in 47 CFR Part 15 only deal with AC line conducted and have no requirements for measuring a DC line. Consequently, anytime part 15.107 or 15.207 is referred to it is always talking about AC line conducted. This of course is not speaking of antenna terminal measurements which sometimes are loosely referred to as conducted measurements also. For the example given the AC line conducted requirements of a USB intentional radiator is two fold. The intentional radiator is to be tested to 15.207 while actively transmitting. Since USB intentional radiators also will typically have digital circuitry (for data transfer to the host if nothing else) it will also have to be tested to 15.107 with the transmitter idle and the digital device active. This can be complicated as ANSI C63.4 and the FCC rules say the digital device is to be transferring data to and from the host. These devices usually do this in conjunction with the intentional radiator actually transmitting at or close to the same time. In any event, as this type device would be a composite device operating under two distinct FCC rule parts (i.e. 15B for digital device/computer peripheral and 15C intentional radiator) each rule section must be satisfied and proper testing in accordance with CFR47 part 15 and ANSI C63.4 2003 must be done specific to each rule section involved. Dennis Ward Evaluation Engineer American TCB Certification Resource for the Wireless Industry www.atcb.com 703-847-4700 fax 703-847-6888 direct - 703-880-4841 cell - 209-769-8316 NOTICE: This E-Mail message and any attachment may contain privileged or company proprietary information. If you received this message in error, please return to the sender. From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of John Woodgate Sent: 04/10/2006 9:45 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Re: Fw: FCC equipment authorization: Have RFID devices operating @ 13.56 MHz been exempted from conducted emission testing? In message 003001c65cb8$0eb3a570$4001a8c0@CompaqPresarioD, dated Mon, 10 Apr 2006, Dward ATCB dw...@atcb.com writes Your understanding is not correct. A USB device plugged into any other device that is directly connected to the AC mains will need an oine conducted testing. Several examples are: A USB dongle that gets its power from the USB port and is plugged into a laptop where the laptop gets its power from the AC mains will require conducted emissions. 'Conducted emissions' on WHICH CABLE? The mains cable of the power supply or the DC cable from the power supply to the load equipment? Or both? -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. Try www.jmwa.demon.co.uk and www.isce.org.uk 2006 is YMMVI- Your mileage may vary immensely. John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
RE: UL approvals
Jim and All who responded, Many thanks for all the input, most of which confirmed what I thought I knew. The current un-answered question is regard to the UL/Manufacturer compliancy scheme, hopefully someone will read this who can answer it. All the best Carl Carl Richards, Regulatory Compliance Manager, Aspect Software 2, The Square Stockley Park, Uxbridge, UB11 1AD, United Kingdom +44 (0)208 589 1461 Office +44 (0)870 460 1950 Fax +44 (0)7875 27 1461 Mobile www.aspect.com From: Jim Bacher [mailto:jim.bac...@paxar.com] Sent: 10 April 2006 18:27 To: Richards, Carl; emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: UL approvals Carl, others have answered your question about marking, but keep in mind that there are state laws and federal regulations in the USA that require that all products have a NRTL listing. So if you are talking about prototypes, no big deal. However, if you are talking about production products, you could run into issues. Ref: OSHA: 29 CFR 1910, NEC 110-2 and Oregon law : 479.610 http://landru.leg.state.or.us/ors/479.html Jim Jim Bacher Senior Engineer Paxar Americas, Inc. 170 Monarch Lane Miamisburg, Ohio 45342 Voice: 937-865-2020 Fax: 937-865-2048 email: jim.bac...@paxar.com
CCC Mark
Hi Group, Does anyone know the listing/submittal process or testing involved for CCC certification for immunity, safety or emissions on security equipment? 3rd party labs that could help out? Thanks in advance. Joe Josiah P. Burch Sr.Product Regulatory Engineer TAC 1 High Street North Andover, MA 01845 USA phone: +1 (978) 975-9570 fax:+1 (978) 975-9782 email: joe.bu...@tac.com web: http://www.tac.com http://www.tac.com Notice: This email message, together with any attachments, contains information of TAC, which may be confidential, proprietary, copyrighted and/or legally privileged. This email is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity named on the message. If you are not the intended recipient, and have received this message in error, please immediately return by email and then delete it. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Re: Fw: FCC equipment authorization: Have RFID devices operating @ 13.56 MHz been exempted from conducted emission testing?
In message 003001c65cb8$0eb3a570$4001a8c0@CompaqPresarioD, dated Mon, 10 Apr 2006, Dward ATCB dw...@atcb.com writes Your understanding is not correct. A USB device plugged into any other device that is directly connected to the AC mains will need an oine conducted testing. Several examples are: A USB dongle that gets its power from the USB port and is plugged into a laptop where the laptop gets its power from the AC mains will require conducted emissions. 'Conducted emissions' on WHICH CABLE? The mains cable of the power supply or the DC cable from the power supply to the load equipment? Or both? -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. Try www.jmwa.demon.co.uk and www.isce.org.uk 2006 is YMMVI- Your mileage may vary immensely. John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
RE: UL approvals
Carl, others have answered your question about marking, but keep in mind that there are state laws and federal regulations in the USA that require that all products have a NRTL listing. So if you are talking about prototypes, no big deal. However, if you are talking about production products, you could run into issues. Ref: OSHA: 29 CFR 1910, NEC 110-2 and Oregon law : 479.610 http://landru.leg.state.or.us/ors/479.html Jim Jim Bacher Senior Engineer Paxar Americas, Inc. 170 Monarch Lane Miamisburg, Ohio 45342 Voice: 937-865-2020 Fax: 937-865-2048 email: jim.bac...@paxar.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
RE: UL approvals
Art wrote: A real-world (not hypothetical) experience: I'm aware of products shipped from Asia with UL markings present, prior to the receipt of their Authorization to ship letter. The manufacturer's position was that they were in warehouses, awaiting receipt of the Authorization. The warehouses, in fact, were containers on ships, headed for the U.S. Obviously, this was a business decision (and a gamble that the Authorization would be issued without requiring any modifications of the product steaming in this direction). And, yes, the gamble paid off :-) Hello Art, You are 100% correct.With ever increasing time pressure to get product to market the above seems to be common practice but it is not authorized by UL, TUV or any Agency I have dealt with. Product built before the Agency approval has been received should not be marked with the Agency mark...The product might be built exactly the same as product built after the approval but no Agency I know of would agree to such a practice without a field inspection you alluded to.While the risk may be minimal, shipping preapproval product with the Agency mark, this could also become a liability issue if one of the products are marked and shipped before the approval has been received. Should this product cause an issue in the field a sharp lawyer could use this to his advantage in a liability case if they can verify the DOM was before the Agency approval was received. Again I know it is done in practice but there is certainly a risk. Regards, John From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Arthur Michael Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 11:53 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Cc: Richards, Carl Subject: Re: UL approvals Hello Carl, On Mon, 10 Apr 2006, Richards, Carl wrote: Dear Group, I am attempting to understand the limitations of shipping UL approved hardware under the following circumstances: 1. A modification made to an approved product without notification to UL of the change; and with the intent of not applying the UL mark when shipping the product UL should have no interest in products shipped without their marks present. With respect to the use of the word approved. UL does not approve anything - they list it. 2. A manufacturer certified to perform their own UL compliance subject to verification by UL, can the manufacturer build systems while waiting for final approvals; and would it be possible for the manufacturer to build and ship such a product without applying the UL mark? Again, you can ship product that does not bear UL marks - but don't expect to subsequently add the mark to those products without a field-inspection later on. UL Marks are, in general, required to be applied at the point of manufacture. A real-world (not hypothetical) experience: I'm aware of products shipped from Asia with UL markings present, prior to the receipt of their Authorization to ship letter. The manufacturer's position was that they were in warehouses, awaiting receipt of the Authorization. The warehouses, in fact, were containers on ships, headed for the U.S. Obviously, this was a business decision (and a gamble that the Authorization would be issued without requiring any modifications of the product steaming in this direction). And, yes, the gamble paid off :-) Best regards, Art Michael -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- |http://www.safetylink.com | || | The Safety Link is the most comprehensive collection | | of product safety and standards resources on the WEB | || | Int'l Product Safety News | | (In it's 19th year of publication)| | P.O.Box 1561 - WWW | |Middletown CT 06457-8061 U.S.A. | | Phone: (860) 344-1651 Fax: (860) 346-9066 | |http://www.safetylink.com/#IPSN | -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- I hasten to add, this is a hypothetical and educational question! Best Regards Carl Carl Richards, Regulatory Compliance Manager, Aspect Software 2, The Square Stockley Park, Uxbridge, UB11 1AD, United Kingdom +44 (0)208 589 1461 Office +44 (0)870 460 1950 Fax +44 (0)7875 27 1461 Mobile www.aspect.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas
Re: EU Machinery Directive
Is it supplied with a battery charger? If so then the LVD applies, which provides you with a 'get out of jail free' card for the Machinery Directive in this case. If the LVD does not apply, you may have a tough time justifying exclusion from the Machinery Directive even though it's not what most people would think of as a 'machine'. Regards Nick. At 4:01 pm +0100 10/4/06, iun...@servomex.com wrote: Dear All, Can I please have you opinions on whether a portable battery powered gas analyser that includes an internal diaphragm pump falls within the scope of the EU's Machinery Directive, or not? Many thanks in anticipation of your help. Best regards Ian Unwin Servomex - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
RE: Fw: FCC equipment authorization: Have RFID devices operating @ 13.56 MHz been exempted from conducted emission testing?
Your understanding is not correct. A USB device plugged into any other device that is directly connected to the AC mains will need an oine conducted testing. Several examples are: A USB dongle that gets its power from the USB port and is plugged into a laptop where the laptop gets its power from the AC mains will require conducted emissions. The reason is simple, since the dongle gets its power from a source that does connect to the AC mains you do not know how the dongle affects the AC mains. It is an assumption that proper filtering of the laptop power supply is sufficient to provide filtered power to the USB ports. It is also an assumption that even with filtering a USB device will not cause emissions problems for the laptop when it is plugged into the AC. While the laptop itself may only need conducted emissions originally for one sample USB device, the intentional radiator is a separate certified product and it falls under its own rules which will require conducted emissions. The FCC wants to know if the device by itself when plugged into the host device causes the host device conducted emissions problems. Dennis Ward Evaluation Engineer American TCB Certification Resource for the Wireless Industry www.atcb.com 703-847-4700 fax 703-847-6888 direct - 703-880-4841 cell - 209-769-8316 NOTICE: This E-Mail message and any attachment may contain privileged or company proprietary information. If you received this message in error, please return to the sender. From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of kbalasubraman...@scmmicro.co.in Sent: 04/10/2006 2:07 AM To: rehel...@mmm.com Cc: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Re: Fw: FCC equipment authorization: Have RFID devices operating @ 13.56 MHz been exempted from conducted emission testing? Dear Bob, Thanks for the reply. So if a device is not drawing power from the a.c. mains it is exempted from line conducted emissions test. Similarly USB devices (such as USB mouse, USB keyboard, USB smart card reader etc.) which are drawing power from the USB port of the PC also are exempted from the line conducted emissions testing. Is my understanding correct? Sincerely K.Balasubramanian Project Leader - Hardware. rehel...@mmm.com Sent by: emc-p...@ieee.org To emc-p...@ieee.org cc 04/10/2006 02:22 PMSubject Fw: FCC equipment authorization: Have RFID devices operating @ 13.56 MHz been exempted from conducted emission testing? They must be talking about the reader. It would not be subjected to line conducted tests because it is running off a 12 volt DC supply (just like any other PC board, etc.). The physical access control panel would be subjected to line conducted emission tests. Whether a device is battery backed up or not has no significance on whether it is subjected to line conducted tests. Bob Heller 3M EMC Laboratory, 76-1-01 St. Paul, MN 55107-1208 Tel: 651- 778-6336 Fax: 651-778-6252 = - Forwarded by Robert E. Heller/US-Corporate/3M/US on 04/10/2006 03:46 AM - Kbalasubramanian@ scmmicro.co.in Sent by: To emc-p...@ieee.org emc-p...@ieee.org cc 04/10/2006 01:50 Subject AMFCC equipment authorisation: Have RFID devices operating @ 13.56 MHz been exempted from conducted emission testing? Dear Experts, Recently I have down loaded a test report of an intentional radiator type RFID device from the FCC website. In the report it is mentioned that line conducted
RE: EU Machinery Directive - portable analyzer
Ian and all, From your short description (assuming portable means that one person can easily carry it around), I would believe that this is a piece of equipment for measuring. As such, it should meet the requirements of IEC/EN 61010 (Test, measurement and control equipment safety standard) and the associated EMC requirements but would not be a machine. :) br, Pete Peter E Perkins, PE Principal Product Safety Engineer PO Box 23427 Tigard, ORe 97281-3427 503/452-1201 fone/fax p.perk...@ieee.org - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
EU Machinery Directive
Dear All, Can I please have you opinions on whether a portable battery powered gas analyser that includes an internal diaphragm pump falls within the scope of the EU's Machinery Directive, or not? Many thanks in anticipation of your help. Best regards Ian Unwin Servomex * *Register now at www.servomex.com/zap.html * *for an opportunity to win a great prize* *in our monthly draw. * * This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs SkyScan service. This electronic message contains information from Servomex which may be privileged or confidential. The information is intended to be for the use of the individual(s) or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information is prohibited. If you have received this electronic message in error, please notify us immediately. Activity and use of the Servomex E-mail system is monitored to secure its effective operation and for other lawful business purposes. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Re: UL approvals
In message b4898cd034fea54fb0fb09d0be5a10fc788...@lhr1exch2.aspect.com, dated Mon, 10 Apr 2006, Richards, Carl carl.richa...@aspect.com writes 1. A modification made to an approved product without notification to UL of the change; and with the intent of not applying the UL mark when shipping the product 2. A manufacturer certified to perform their own UL compliance subject to verification by UL, can the manufacturer build systems while waiting for final approvals; and would it be possible for the manufacturer to build and ship such a product without applying the UL mark? In both cases, if the UL mark is not applied, UL has no interest in the product. So you can build and ship; whether the buyer will accept those products is a non-technical question. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. Try www.jmwa.demon.co.uk and www.isce.org.uk 2006 is YMMVI- Your mileage may vary immensely. John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
UL approvals
Dear Group, I am attempting to understand the limitations of shipping UL approved hardware under the following circumstances: 1. A modification made to an approved product without notification to UL of the change; and with the intent of not applying the UL mark when shipping the product 2. A manufacturer certified to perform their own UL compliance subject to verification by UL, can the manufacturer build systems while waiting for final approvals; and would it be possible for the manufacturer to build and ship such a product without applying the UL mark? I hasten to add, this is a hypothetical and educational question! Best Regards Carl Carl Richards, Regulatory Compliance Manager, Aspect Software 2, The Square Stockley Park, Uxbridge, UB11 1AD, United Kingdom +44 (0)208 589 1461 Office +44 (0)870 460 1950 Fax +44 (0)7875 27 1461 Mobile www.aspect.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
RE: Fw: FCC equipment authorization: Have RFID devices operating @ 13.56 MHz been exempted from conducted emission testing?
Dear David, Is there a section 15.207d in FCC part 15? The one I refer shows only upto section 15.207c. You said, for intentional radiators conducted emission rules are different, what does it mean? Sincerely K.Balasubramanian Project Leader - Hardware. Sterner, David [SFS] David.Sterner@ho To neywell.com rehel...@mmm.com, Sent by: emc-p...@ieee.org emc-p...@ieee.org cc Subject 04/10/2006 05:43 RE: Fw: FCC equipment PMauthorization: Have RFID devices operating @ 13.56 MHz been exempted from conducted emission testing? Bob, For intentional radiators, the conducted emissions rules (Part 15.207(d)) are somewhat different. (d) Measurements to demonstrate compliance with the conducted limits are not required for devices which only employ battery power for operation and which do not operate from the AC power lines or contain provisions for operation while connected to the AC power lines. Devices that include, or make provisions for, the use of battery chargers which permit operating while charging, AC adapters or battery eliminators or that connect to the AC power lines indirectly, obtainig their power through another device which is connected to the AC power lines, shall be tested to demonstrate compliance with the conducted limits. The TCB requested conducted emissions test results with the DC supply normally used. . Honeywell David W. Sterner Quality Assurance Engineering Security Custom Electronics 165 Eileen Way P.O. Box 9035 Syosset, NY 11791 Phone: (516) 921-6704 x6970 Fax # (516) 364-6953 david.ster...@honeywell.com http://www.honeywell.com From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of rehel...@mmm.com Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 7:46 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Re: Fw: FCC equipment authorization: Have RFID devices operating @ 13.56 MHz been exempted from conducted emission testing? 15.107 (d) and 15.207 (c) are talking about AC line power and these sections were clarified in the 2004 edition and it fully reads: Measurements to demonstrate compliance with the conducted limits are not required for devices which only employ battery power for operation and which do not operate from the AC power lines or contain provisions for operation while connected to the AC power lines. Devices that include, or make provisions for, the use of battery chargers, AC adaptors or battery eliminators or that connect to the AC power lines indirectly, obtaining their power through another device which is connected to the AC power lines, shall be tested to demonstrate compliance with the conducted limits. According to the FCC, the AC line conducted emission test is necessary for equipment that obtain their AC power through another piece of equipment. Bob Heller 3M EMC Laboratory, 76-1-01 St. Paul, MN 55107-1208 Tel: 651- 778-6336 Fax: 651-778-6252 = Kbalasubramanian@ scmmicro.co.in Sent by: To emc-p...@ieee.org John Woodgate j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk cc 04/10/2006 05:48 emc-p...@ieee.org AM Subject Re: Fw: FCC equipment authorization: Have RFID devices operating @ 13.56 MHz been exempted from conducted emission testing? Dear John, Thanks for your expert opinion and guidance. After
RE: Fw: FCC equipment authorization: Have RFID devices operating @ 13.56 MHz been exempted from conducted emission testing?
Bob, For intentional radiators, the conducted emissions rules (Part 15.207(d)) are somewhat different. (d) Measurements to demonstrate compliance with the conducted limits are not required for devices which only employ battery power for operation and which do not operate from the AC power lines or contain provisions for operation while connected to the AC power lines. Devices that include, or make provisions for, the use of battery chargers which permit operating while charging, AC adapters or battery eliminators or that connect to the AC power lines indirectly, obtainig their power through another device which is connected to the AC power lines, shall be tested to demonstrate compliance with the conducted limits. The TCB requested conducted emissions test results with the DC supply normally used. . Honeywell David W. Sterner Quality Assurance Engineering Security Custom Electronics 165 Eileen Way P.O. Box 9035 Syosset, NY 11791 Phone: (516) 921-6704 x6970 Fax # (516) 364-6953 david.ster...@honeywell.com http://www.honeywell.com From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of rehel...@mmm.com Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 7:46 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Re: Fw: FCC equipment authorization: Have RFID devices operating @ 13.56 MHz been exempted from conducted emission testing? 15.107 (d) and 15.207 (c) are talking about AC line power and these sections were clarified in the 2004 edition and it fully reads: Measurements to demonstrate compliance with the conducted limits are not required for devices which only employ battery power for operation and which do not operate from the AC power lines or contain provisions for operation while connected to the AC power lines. Devices that include, or make provisions for, the use of battery chargers, AC adaptors or battery eliminators or that connect to the AC power lines indirectly, obtaining their power through another device which is connected to the AC power lines, shall be tested to demonstrate compliance with the conducted limits. According to the FCC, the AC line conducted emission test is necessary for equipment that obtain their AC power through another piece of equipment. Bob Heller 3M EMC Laboratory, 76-1-01 St. Paul, MN 55107-1208 Tel: 651- 778-6336 Fax: 651-778-6252 = Kbalasubramanian@ scmmicro.co.in Sent by: To emc-p...@ieee.org John Woodgate j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk cc 04/10/2006 05:48 emc-p...@ieee.org AM Subject Re: Fw: FCC equipment authorization: Have RFID devices operating @ 13.56 MHz been exempted from conducted emission testing? Dear John, Thanks for your expert opinion and guidance. After posting my previous message I browsed through FCC Part 15 and found the below. As per section 15.107 (d) and section 15.207 (c), devices obtaining their power through another device which is connected to the AC power lines, shall be tested to demonstrate compliance with the conducted limits. If my understanding is correct the physical access control reader which draws power from the physical access control panel also should prove compliance to conducted emissions tests. But the report listed in the FCC website which I hope would have been reviewed by a TCB indicates the otherway... Sincerely K.Balasubramanian Project Leader - Hardware. John Woodgate jmw@jmwa.demon.c o.uk To Sent by: emc-p...@ieee.org emc-p...@ieee.org cc Subject 04/10/2006 03:35 Re: Fw: FCC equipment PMauthorization: Have RFID devices operating @ 13.56 MHz been exempted from conducted emission testing? In message ofc16ca941.1e2334c5-on6525714c.003142c5-6525714c.00322...@scmmicro.co.i n , dated Mon, 10 Apr 2006, kbalasubraman...@scmmicro.co.in writes Thanks for the reply. So if a device is not drawing power from the a.c. mains it is exempted from line conducted emissions test. Similarly USB devices (such as USB mouse, USB keyboard, USB smart card reader etc.) which are drawing power from the USB port of the PC also are exempted from the line conducted emissions testing. Is my understanding correct? It may be correct for FCC: the requirements in Europe are rather different, and
Re: Fw: FCC equipment authorization: Have RFID devices operating @ 13.56 MHz been exempted from conducted emission testing?
15.107 (d) and 15.207 (c) are talking about AC line power and these sections were clarified in the 2004 edition and it fully reads: Measurements to demonstrate compliance with the conducted limits are not required for devices which only employ battery power for operation and which do not operate from the AC power lines or contain provisions for operation while connected to the AC power lines. Devices that include, or make provisions for, the use of battery chargers, AC adaptors or battery eliminators or that connect to the AC power lines indirectly, obtaining their power through another device which is connected to the AC power lines, shall be tested to demonstrate compliance with the conducted limits. According to the FCC, the AC line conducted emission test is necessary for equipment that obtain their AC power through another piece of equipment. Bob Heller 3M EMC Laboratory, 76-1-01 St. Paul, MN 55107-1208 Tel: 651- 778-6336 Fax: 651-778-6252 = Kbalasubramanian@ scmmicro.co.in Sent by: To emc-p...@ieee.org John Woodgate j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk cc 04/10/2006 05:48 emc-p...@ieee.org AMSubject Re: Fw: FCC equipment authorization: Have RFID devices operating @ 13.56 MHz been exempted from conducted emission testing? Dear John, Thanks for your expert opinion and guidance. After posting my previous message I browsed through FCC Part 15 and found the below. As per section 15.107 (d) and section 15.207 (c), devices obtaining their power through another device which is connected to the AC power lines, shall be tested to demonstrate compliance with the conducted limits. If my understanding is correct the physical access control reader which draws power from the physical access control panel also should prove compliance to conducted emissions tests. But the report listed in the FCC website which I hope would have been reviewed by a TCB indicates the otherway... Sincerely K.Balasubramanian Project Leader - Hardware. John Woodgate jmw@jmwa.demon.c o.uk To Sent by: emc-p...@ieee.org emc-p...@ieee.org cc Subject 04/10/2006 03:35 Re: Fw: FCC equipment PMauthorization: Have RFID devices operating @ 13.56 MHz been exempted from conducted emission testing? In message ofc16ca941.1e2334c5-on6525714c.003142c5-6525714c.00322...@scmmicro.co.in , dated Mon, 10 Apr 2006, kbalasubraman...@scmmicro.co.in writes Thanks for the reply. So if a device is not drawing power from the a.c. mains it is exempted from line conducted emissions test. Similarly USB devices (such as USB mouse, USB keyboard, USB smart card reader etc.) which are drawing power from the USB port of the PC also are exempted from the line conducted emissions testing. Is my understanding correct? It may be correct for FCC: the requirements in Europe are rather different, and too complicated to explain here. See clause 9 of ***the latest edition of*** EN 55022. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. Try www.jmwa.demon.co.uk and www.isce.org.uk 2006 is YMMVI- Your mileage may vary immensely. John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules:
Re: Fw: FCC equipment authorization: Have RFID devices operating @ 13.56 MHz been exempted from conducted emission testing?
In message of93dcdcbd.16fc0f2b-on6525714c.00398c74-6525714c.003b6...@scmmicro.co.in , dated Mon, 10 Apr 2006, kbalasubraman...@scmmicro.co.in writes Thanks for your expert opinion and guidance. After posting my previous message I browsed through FCC Part 15 and found the below. As per section 15.107 (d) and section 15.207 (c), devices obtaining their power through another device which is connected to the AC power lines, shall be tested to demonstrate compliance with the conducted limits. It doesn't say how they are to be tested, though. In Europe, DC power ports of ITE and other equipment have to be tested for conducted emissions, but EN 55022 is not at all clear, even now, about how that shall be done. If my understanding is correct the physical access control reader which draws power from the physical access control panel also should prove compliance to conducted emissions tests. But the report listed in the FCC website which I hope would have been reviewed by a TCB indicates the otherway... These things happen. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. Try www.jmwa.demon.co.uk and www.isce.org.uk 2006 is YMMVI- Your mileage may vary immensely. John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Re: Fw: FCC equipment authorization: Have RFID devices operating @ 13.56 MHz been exempted from conducted emission testing?
That is correct. The US does not, to my knowledge, have conducted emission tests for communication lines which is what I believe John is talking about. The FCC does accept data taken from CISPR 22 testing but only for AC line conducted tests and radiated emissions. Bob Heller 3M EMC Laboratory, 76-1-01 St. Paul, MN 55107-1208 Tel: 651- 778-6336 Fax: 651-778-6252 = John Woodgate jmw@jmwa.demon.c o.uk To Sent by: emc-p...@ieee.org emc-p...@ieee.org cc Subject 04/10/2006 05:05 Re: Fw: FCC equipment AMauthorization: Have RFID devices operating @ 13.56 MHz been exempted from conducted emission testing? In message ofc16ca941.1e2334c5-on6525714c.003142c5-6525714c.00322...@scmmicro.co.in , dated Mon, 10 Apr 2006, kbalasubraman...@scmmicro.co.in writes Thanks for the reply. So if a device is not drawing power from the a.c. mains it is exempted from line conducted emissions test. Similarly USB devices (such as USB mouse, USB keyboard, USB smart card reader etc.) which are drawing power from the USB port of the PC also are exempted from the line conducted emissions testing. Is my understanding correct? It may be correct for FCC: the requirements in Europe are rather different, and too complicated to explain here. See clause 9 of ***the latest edition of*** EN 55022. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. Try www.jmwa.demon.co.uk and www.isce.org.uk 2006 is YMMVI- Your mileage may vary immensely. John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Re: Fw: FCC equipment authorization: Have RFID devices operating @ 13.56 MHz been exempted from conducted emission testing?
Dear John, Thanks for your expert opinion and guidance. After posting my previous message I browsed through FCC Part 15 and found the below. As per section 15.107 (d) and section 15.207 (c), devices obtaining their power through another device which is connected to the AC power lines, shall be tested to demonstrate compliance with the conducted limits. If my understanding is correct the physical access control reader which draws power from the physical access control panel also should prove compliance to conducted emissions tests. But the report listed in the FCC website which I hope would have been reviewed by a TCB indicates the otherway... Sincerely K.Balasubramanian Project Leader - Hardware. John Woodgate jmw@jmwa.demon.c o.uk To Sent by: emc-p...@ieee.org emc-p...@ieee.org cc Subject 04/10/2006 03:35 Re: Fw: FCC equipment PMauthorization: Have RFID devices operating @ 13.56 MHz been exempted from conducted emission testing? In message ofc16ca941.1e2334c5-on6525714c.003142c5-6525714c.00322...@scmmicro.co.in , dated Mon, 10 Apr 2006, kbalasubraman...@scmmicro.co.in writes Thanks for the reply. So if a device is not drawing power from the a.c. mains it is exempted from line conducted emissions test. Similarly USB devices (such as USB mouse, USB keyboard, USB smart card reader etc.) which are drawing power from the USB port of the PC also are exempted from the line conducted emissions testing. Is my understanding correct? It may be correct for FCC: the requirements in Europe are rather different, and too complicated to explain here. See clause 9 of ***the latest edition of*** EN 55022. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. Try www.jmwa.demon.co.uk and www.isce.org.uk 2006 is YMMVI- Your mileage may vary immensely. John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Re: Fw: FCC equipment authorization: Have RFID devices operating @ 13.56 MHz been exempted from conducted emission testing?
In message ofc16ca941.1e2334c5-on6525714c.003142c5-6525714c.00322...@scmmicro.co.in , dated Mon, 10 Apr 2006, kbalasubraman...@scmmicro.co.in writes Thanks for the reply. So if a device is not drawing power from the a.c. mains it is exempted from line conducted emissions test. Similarly USB devices (such as USB mouse, USB keyboard, USB smart card reader etc.) which are drawing power from the USB port of the PC also are exempted from the line conducted emissions testing. Is my understanding correct? It may be correct for FCC: the requirements in Europe are rather different, and too complicated to explain here. See clause 9 of ***the latest edition of*** EN 55022. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. Try www.jmwa.demon.co.uk and www.isce.org.uk 2006 is YMMVI- Your mileage may vary immensely. John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Re: Fw: FCC equipment authorization: Have RFID devices operating @ 13.56 MHz been exempted from conducted emission testing?
Dear Bob, Thanks for the reply. So if a device is not drawing power from the a.c. mains it is exempted from line conducted emissions test. Similarly USB devices (such as USB mouse, USB keyboard, USB smart card reader etc.) which are drawing power from the USB port of the PC also are exempted from the line conducted emissions testing. Is my understanding correct? Sincerely K.Balasubramanian Project Leader - Hardware. rehel...@mmm.com Sent by: emc-p...@ieee.org To emc-p...@ieee.org cc 04/10/2006 02:22 PMSubject Fw: FCC equipment authorization: Have RFID devices operating @ 13.56 MHz been exempted from conducted emission testing? They must be talking about the reader. It would not be subjected to line conducted tests because it is running off a 12 volt DC supply (just like any other PC board, etc.). The physical access control panel would be subjected to line conducted emission tests. Whether a device is battery backed up or not has no significance on whether it is subjected to line conducted tests. Bob Heller 3M EMC Laboratory, 76-1-01 St. Paul, MN 55107-1208 Tel: 651- 778-6336 Fax: 651-778-6252 = - Forwarded by Robert E. Heller/US-Corporate/3M/US on 04/10/2006 03:46 AM - Kbalasubramanian@ scmmicro.co.in Sent by: To emc-p...@ieee.org emc-p...@ieee.org cc 04/10/2006 01:50 Subject AMFCC equipment authorisation: Have RFID devices operating @ 13.56 MHz been exempted from conducted emission testing? Dear Experts, Recently I have down loaded a test report of an intentional radiator type RFID device from the FCC website. In the report it is mentioned that line conducted emission test is not applicable due to product type. This is a physical access control reader device operating at 13.56 MHz drawing 12 volts D.C. power from a physical access control panel. The control panel is drawing power from the mains and have a battery back up too. Are devices with battery back up exempted from line conducted emission? Sincerely K.Balasubramanian Project Leader - Hardware. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at:
Fw: FCC equipment authorization: Have RFID devices operating @ 13.56 MHz been exempted from conducted emission testing?
They must be talking about the reader. It would not be subjected to line conducted tests because it is running off a 12 volt DC supply (just like any other PC board, etc.). The physical access control panel would be subjected to line conducted emission tests. Whether a device is battery backed up or not has no significance on whether it is subjected to line conducted tests. Bob Heller 3M EMC Laboratory, 76-1-01 St. Paul, MN 55107-1208 Tel: 651- 778-6336 Fax: 651-778-6252 = - Forwarded by Robert E. Heller/US-Corporate/3M/US on 04/10/2006 03:46 AM - Kbalasubramanian@ scmmicro.co.in Sent by: To emc-p...@ieee.org emc-p...@ieee.org cc 04/10/2006 01:50 Subject AMFCC equipment authorisation: Have RFID devices operating @ 13.56 MHz been exempted from conducted emission testing? Dear Experts, Recently I have down loaded a test report of an intentional radiator type RFID device from the FCC website. In the report it is mentioned that line conducted emission test is not applicable due to product type. This is a physical access control reader device operating at 13.56 MHz drawing 12 volts D.C. power from a physical access control panel. The control panel is drawing power from the mains and have a battery back up too. Are devices with battery back up exempted from line conducted emission? Sincerely K.Balasubramanian Project Leader - Hardware. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
FCC equipment authorisation: Have RFID devices operating @ 13.56 MHz been exempted from conducted emission testing?
Dear Experts, Recently I have down loaded a test report of an intentional radiator type RFID device from the FCC website. In the report it is mentioned that line conducted emission test is not applicable due to product type. This is a physical access control reader device operating at 13.56 MHz drawing 12 volts D.C. power from a physical access control panel. The control panel is drawing power from the mains and have a battery back up too. Are devices with battery back up exempted from line conducted emission? Sincerely K.Balasubramanian Project Leader - Hardware. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
