Re: [PSES] CE Marking HDMI Cables

[Ted Eckert]

Hello Scott,

There are U.S. and Canadian national differences to many safety standards that 
mandates flame resistance for cables such as this. Cables under 3.05 meter in 
length must be VW-1 or FT-1 or better in flame rating. (Longer cables are 
subject to stricter requirements.) This is why you can find UL approvals on 
cables, but not necessarily other international safety certifications for HDMI, 
USB and other data cables. The LVD would not apply to an HDMI cable sold on its 
own as it is below the lower voltage limit of the scope.

Generally, if the cable is bundled with a product, the cable does not need the 
CE marking. If the cable is sold on its own, the CE mark is required for RoHS. 
See pages 15 and 16 in the European Commission guidance document.
http://ec.europa.eu/environment/waste/rohs_eee/pdf/faq.pdf

Ted Eckert
Microsoft Corporation

The opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my 
employer.


From: Scott Douglas [mailto:sdouglas...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 4, 2018 6:42 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] CE Marking HDMI Cables

My opinion is only the RoHS Directive should apply. But my last email from the 
ODM tonight says the cables have UL Approvals too, on the cable, on the 
connector and then flammability on the assembly. So they think that there must 
be some safety directive that applies (and was not tested for). They are 
checking with their factory (again).
On 1/4/2018 6:27 PM, Brent DeWitt wrote:
Hi Scott,

Which Directives do you think should apply?

From: Scott Douglas [mailto:sdouglas...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2018 7:00 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] CE Marking HDMI Cables


I am going around with an ODM making a HDMI cable for us. Standard cable just 
has our brand logo molded in the connector shell. Cable is to be used with 
Category 4 (ITE) Equipment and is sold separately.

The question is CE Marked or not CE Marked. I say it must be CE Marked and they 
say not required. I have been through the directives and FAQ more than a few 
times and it seems black and white to me.

They say they talked to three different compliance labs, at least one of which 
is familiar to a lot of us on the west coast, and all say not required. They 
say their compliance engineers all went to the required training and they all 
say not required.


Am I the only one that thinks these HDMI cables need to be CE Marked? Or am I 
missing something? Like maybe not required today but required to be marked at 
some future date like 2019 maybe?

Last, assuming I am not on some good psychedelics and CE Marking is required on 
or for HDMI cables, can I get away with putting the CE Mark on the single unit 
package, like a label on the poly bag it is sealed in?

I thank everybody that helps answer the question and keeps me from consuming 
more of those pink pills.

Happy New Year to all.
Scott

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Re: [PSES] CE Marking HDMI Cables

[Scott Douglas]

My opinion is only the RoHS Directive should apply. But my last email 
from the ODM tonight says the cables have UL Approvals too, on the 
cable, on the connector and then flammability on the assembly. So they 
think that there must be some safety directive that applies (and was not 
tested for). They are checking with their factory (again).


On 1/4/2018 6:27 PM, Brent DeWitt wrote:


Hi Scott,

Which Directives do you think should apply?

*From:* Scott Douglas [mailto:sdouglas...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, January 04, 2018 7:00 PM
*To:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
*Subject:* [PSES] CE Marking HDMI Cables

I am going around with an ODM making a HDMI cable for us. Standard 
cable just has our brand logo molded in the connector shell. Cable is 
to be used with Category 4 (ITE) Equipment and is sold separately.


The question is CE Marked or not CE Marked. I say it must be CE Marked 
and they say not required. I have been through the directives and FAQ 
more than a few times and it seems black and white to me.


They say they talked to three different compliance labs, at least one 
of which is familiar to a lot of us on the west coast, and all say not 
required. They say their compliance engineers all went to the required 
training and they all say not required.


Am I the only one that thinks these HDMI cables need to be CE Marked? 
Or am I missing something? Like maybe not required today but required 
to be marked at some future date like 2019 maybe?


Last, assuming I am not on some good psychedelics and CE Marking is 
required on or for HDMI cables, can I get away with putting the CE 
Mark on the single unit package, like a label on the poly bag it is 
sealed in?


I thank everybody that helps answer the question and keeps me from 
consuming more of those pink pills.


Happy New Year to all.

Scott

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Re: [PSES] CE Marking HDMI Cables

[Brent DeWitt]

Hi Scott,

 

Which Directives do you think should apply?

 

From: Scott Douglas [mailto:sdouglas...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2018 7:00 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] CE Marking HDMI Cables

 

 

I am going around with an ODM making a HDMI cable for us. Standard cable just 
has our brand logo molded in the connector shell. Cable is to be used with 
Category 4 (ITE) Equipment and is sold separately.

 

The question is CE Marked or not CE Marked. I say it must be CE Marked and they 
say not required. I have been through the directives and FAQ more than a few 
times and it seems black and white to me.

 

They say they talked to three different compliance labs, at least one of which 
is familiar to a lot of us on the west coast, and all say not required. They 
say their compliance engineers all went to the required training and they all 
say not required.

 

 

Am I the only one that thinks these HDMI cables need to be CE Marked? Or am I 
missing something? Like maybe not required today but required to be marked at 
some future date like 2019 maybe?

 

Last, assuming I am not on some good psychedelics and CE Marking is required on 
or for HDMI cables, can I get away with putting the CE Mark on the single unit 
package, like a label on the poly bag it is sealed in?

 

I thank everybody that helps answer the question and keeps me from consuming 
more of those pink pills.

 

Happy New Year to all.

Scott

 

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[PSES] CE Marking HDMI Cables

[Scott Douglas]

I am going around with an ODM making a HDMI cable for us. Standard cable
just has our brand logo molded in the connector shell. Cable is to be used
with Category 4 (ITE) Equipment and is sold separately.

The question is CE Marked or not CE Marked. I say it must be CE Marked and
they say not required. I have been through the directives and FAQ more than
a few times and it seems black and white to me.

They say they talked to three different compliance labs, at least one of
which is familiar to a lot of us on the west coast, and all say not
required. They say their compliance engineers all went to the required
training and they all say not required.


Am I the only one that thinks these HDMI cables need to be CE Marked? Or am
I missing something? Like maybe not required today but required to be
marked at some future date like 2019 maybe?

Last, assuming I am not on some good psychedelics and CE Marking is
required on or for HDMI cables, can I get away with putting the CE Mark on
the single unit package, like a label on the poly bag it is sealed in?

I thank everybody that helps answer the question and keeps me from
consuming more of those pink pills.

Happy New Year to all.
Scott

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Re: [PSES] F 155 enamel wire

[Pete Perkins]

Scott,

 

Ted is correct.  You must work to separate the concepts in your 
thinking.  Functional insulation is that insulation required for the device to 
function and has identified insulation properties.  Insulation used for safety 
purposes has a set of properties that ensure the safety function is robust; it, 
too, has insulation properties which will most likely be different than those 
of the functional insulation.  

Common usage mixes these two concepts together and the average 
engineer does not identify the difference in his application.  

So, for your project, where are the safety insulations 
provided?  Are they the part of the unit where the insulated wire is depended 
upon for the ?  If not, then the usual insulated wire can be used but, if it is 
the safety isolation protecting the user from the electricity supply then the 
usual functionally insulated wire is not adequate and the needed protection 
must be supplied in another way.  

TIW is a good solution to this latter problem.Perhaps this clarifies the 
concepts for you and you understand better why TIW is used in SMPS. 

 

:>) br,  Pete

 

Peter E Perkins, PE

Principal Product Safety & Regulatory Affairs Consultant

PO Box 23427

Tigard, ORe  97281-3427

 

503/452-1201

 

  p.perk...@ieee.org

 

From: Scott Xe [mailto:scott...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 4, 2018 6:54 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] F 155 enamel wire

 

Hi Ted,

 

TIW is quite commonly used in the transformer of SMPS.  For motor windings, 
enamel wire is still a mainstream material in use.

 

Regards,

 

Scott

 

On 4 January 2018 at 22:42, Ted Eckert mailto:ted.eck...@microsoft.com> > wrote:

Hello Scott,

 

The enamel provides functional insulation for the wire allowing the coil to 
work as intended. However, the enamel is not to be relied upon for the purposes 
of safety. Triple insulated wire (TIW) was developed partly to address this 
issue and it is used where there must be basic insulation between windings that 
are overlaid on top of each other.

 

Ted Eckert

Microsoft 

 

The opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my 
employer.

 

From: Scott Xe [mailto:scott...@gmail.com  ] 
Sent: Thursday, January 4, 2018 5:26 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG  
Subject: Re: [PSES] F 155 enamel wire

 

Hi Brian,

 

Will look for the stds for understanding the meaning.  It is interesting that 
an enamel coating is not necessarily considered insulation.  If enamel coating 
is not necessarily considered insulation, the coil inductance, Q factor, energy 
dissipation, etc. will be affected.  How does the coil work as intended? 

 

On 4 January 2018 at 02:56, Brian O'Connell mailto:oconne...@tamuracorp.com> > wrote:

0. NEMA MW1000
1. UL1446
2. winding limits in the standard scoped per the end-use equipment.
3. winding limits per the recognized EIS being used.
4. an enamel coating is not necessarily considered insulation - reference the 
scoped standards.

Brian

bpymail 2.5.9  test 2
===


What are the maximum temperature and permissible operating temperature for this 
insulated wire?
 
Thanks and regards,
 
Scott

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Re: [PSES] F 155 enamel wire

[Scott Xe]

Hi Ted,

TIW is quite commonly used in the transformer of SMPS.  For motor windings,
enamel wire is still a mainstream material in use.

Regards,

Scott

On 4 January 2018 at 22:42, Ted Eckert  wrote:

> Hello Scott,
>
>
>
> The enamel provides functional insulation for the wire allowing the coil
> to work as intended. However, the enamel is not to be relied upon for the
> purposes of safety. Triple insulated wire (TIW) was developed partly to
> address this issue and it is used where there must be basic insulation
> between windings that are overlaid on top of each other.
>
>
>
> Ted Eckert
>
> Microsoft
>
>
>
> The opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of
> my employer.
>
>
>
> *From:* Scott Xe [mailto:scott...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 4, 2018 5:26 AM
> *To:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
> *Subject:* Re: [PSES] F 155 enamel wire
>
>
>
> Hi Brian,
>
>
>
> Will look for the stds for understanding the meaning.  It is interesting
> that an enamel coating is not necessarily considered insulation.  If enamel
> coating is not necessarily considered insulation, the coil inductance, Q
> factor, energy dissipation, etc. will be affected.  How does the coil work
> as intended?
>
>
>
> On 4 January 2018 at 02:56, Brian O'Connell 
> wrote:
>
> 0. NEMA MW1000
> 1. UL1446
> 2. winding limits in the standard scoped per the end-use equipment.
> 3. winding limits per the recognized EIS being used.
> 4. an enamel coating is not necessarily considered insulation - reference
> the scoped standards.
>
> Brian
>
> bpymail 2.5.9  test 2
> 
> ===
>
>
> What are the maximum temperature and permissible operating temperature for
> this insulated wire?
>
> Thanks and regards,
>
> Scott
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Re: [PSES] F 155 enamel wire

[Ted Eckert]

Hello Scott,

The enamel provides functional insulation for the wire allowing the coil to 
work as intended. However, the enamel is not to be relied upon for the purposes 
of safety. Triple insulated wire (TIW) was developed partly to address this 
issue and it is used where there must be basic insulation between windings that 
are overlaid on top of each other.

Ted Eckert
Microsoft

The opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my 
employer.

From: Scott Xe [mailto:scott...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 4, 2018 5:26 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] F 155 enamel wire

Hi Brian,

Will look for the stds for understanding the meaning.  It is interesting that 
an enamel coating is not necessarily considered insulation.  If enamel coating 
is not necessarily considered insulation, the coil inductance, Q factor, energy 
dissipation, etc. will be affected.  How does the coil work as intended?

On 4 January 2018 at 02:56, Brian O'Connell 
mailto:oconne...@tamuracorp.com>> wrote:
0. NEMA MW1000
1. UL1446
2. winding limits in the standard scoped per the end-use equipment.
3. winding limits per the recognized EIS being used.
4. an enamel coating is not necessarily considered insulation - reference the 
scoped standards.

Brian

bpymail 2.5.9  test 2
===

What are the maximum temperature and permissible operating temperature for this 
insulated wire?

Thanks and regards,

Scott

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Re: [PSES] F 155 enamel wire

[Scott Xe]

Hi Brian,

Will look for the stds for understanding the meaning.  It is interesting
that an enamel coating is not necessarily considered insulation.  If enamel
coating is not necessarily considered insulation, the coil inductance, Q
factor, energy dissipation, etc. will be affected.  How does the coil work
as intended?

On 4 January 2018 at 02:56, Brian O'Connell 
wrote:

> 0. NEMA MW1000
> 1. UL1446
> 2. winding limits in the standard scoped per the end-use equipment.
> 3. winding limits per the recognized EIS being used.
> 4. an enamel coating is not necessarily considered insulation - reference
> the scoped standards.
>
> Brian
>
> bpymail 2.5.9  test 2
> 
> ===
>
> What are the maximum temperature and permissible operating temperature for
> this insulated wire?
>
> Thanks and regards,
>
> Scott
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Re: [PSES] F 155 enamel wire

[Scott Xe]

Thanks for your advice!  Google search does give plenty of info but may not
be the one I want.  Your example consists rich info but there are not the
ones I am looking for.  Probably I did not fully understand those industry
terms and looking for additional guidance.

Regards,

Scott

On 3 January 2018 at 23:48, John Woodgate  wrote:

> Plenty of information found by a Google search. For example:
>
> www.synflex.com/en/produkte_pdf/?id=5&areaid=wickeldraehte
>
> John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only
> J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk
> Rayleigh, Essex UK
>
> On 2018-01-03 15:33, Scott Xe wrote:
>
> What are the maximum temperature and permissible operating temperature for
> this insulated wire?
>
>
>
> Thanks and regards,
>
>
>
> Scott
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Re: [PSES] AW: [PSES] OJ list of standards under the EMC Directive

[Charlie Blackham]

> But, keep in mind that the version of the standards called out in the list in 
> the OJ is version that must be used.  Not the latest, the one listed.

That's not quite correct - the version listed is the only one that provides a 
"presumption of conformity", but other standards/versions can be used. It could 
be argued that a later version better represents "state of the art", and it may 
well be that testing to a later version would allow a manufacturer to also 
"apply" the earlier version and list it on the DoC, but that would be a 
decision for the manufacturer based on knowing their product and the applicable 
standards

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From: Ghery Pettit [mailto:n6...@comcast.net]
Sent: 04 January 2018 07:53
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] AW: [PSES] OJ list of standards under the EMC Directive

Your guess is as good as mine as to when the new list will be published in the 
OJ.  But, keep in mind that the version of the standards called out in the list 
in the OJ is version that must be used.  Not the latest, the one listed.  Also, 
keep in mind that dated references must be used, not necessarily the latest 
version.  This can cause a lab to have to be equipped for more than one version 
of a standard.

Ghery S. Pettit, NCE
Pettit EMC  Consulting LLC
gh...@pettitemcconsulting.com


From: itl-emc user group [mailto:itl...@itl.co.il]
Sent: Wednesday, January 3, 2018 10:07 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] AW: [PSES] OJ list of standards under the EMC Directive

Anyone have any idea when a new list of harmonized standards for the EMC 
Directive will be published?
The last one is dated 12.08.16.
I have customers asking why testing is performed to the latest edition of 
standards while the latest edition doesn't appear in the OJ list.
e.g. EN 55014-2: 2015 whereas EN N55014-2:  1997 + A1:2007 + A2: 2008 + AC: 
1997 appear in the OJ.


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From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@woodjohn.uk]
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Thank you very much.

John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only

J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk

Rayleigh, Essex UK
On 2018-01-03 10:38, Dürrer Bernd wrote:
Hi John,

try

http://ec.europa.eu/growth/single-market/european-standards/harmonised-standards/

and for EMC

https://ec.europa.eu/growth/single-market/european-standards/harmonised-standards/electromagnetic-compatibility_en

Happy new year and best regards,

Bernd



Von: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@woodjohn.uk]
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 3. Januar 2018 11:34
An: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
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HNY to all. I am having trouble finding the latest OJ list. I keep being 
directed to pages that no longer exist. Can anyone please help?

--

John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only

J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk

Rayleigh, Essex UK
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[PSES] AW: [PSES] AW: [PSES] OJ list of standards under the EMC Directive

[Dürrer Bernd]

Hi David,

I guess that the latest version of EN 55014-2:201 is not listed in the OJ is 
due to bureaucratic nitpicking.

If you check for this standard document on CENELEC's website, you will find 
that it has been developed under EU's mandate M/404 
(https://www.cenelec.eu/dyn/www/f?p=104:110:687843126087801FSP_ORG_ID,FSP_PROJECT,FSP_LANG_ID:1258289,55993,25).

Mandate M/404 however has been issued for the old EMC directive 2004/108/EC 
(http://ec.europa.eu/growth/tools-databases/mandates/index.cfm?fuseaction=refSearch.search#).
 For the new directive 2014/30/EU the mandate M/552 has been issued in November 
2016 and CENELEC's CLC/TC 210 is working on a project to update EN 55014-2 
accordingly; scheduled publication date is 2019 
(https://www.cenelec.eu/dyn/www/f?p=104:110:687843126087801FSP_ORG_ID,FSP_PROJECT,FSP_LANG_ID:1258289,62814,25).

Updates to the OJ can be expected when standard committees publish new versions 
according to the new mandate and these publications have been accepted by the 
EU commission. Please be aware that only compliance with standards listed in 
the OJ provides presumption of conformity.

Kind regards,

Bernd



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Gesendet: Donnerstag, 4. Januar 2018 07:07
An: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Betreff: Re: [PSES] AW: [PSES] OJ list of standards under the EMC Directive

Anyone have any idea when a new list of harmonized standards for the EMC 
Directive will be published?
The last one is dated 12.08.16.
I have customers asking why testing is performed to the latest edition of 
standards while the latest edition doesn't appear in the OJ list.
e.g. EN 55014-2: 2015 whereas EN N55014-2:  1997 + A1:2007 + A2: 2008 + AC: 
1997 appear in the OJ.


Regards,
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Address 1 Bat-Sheva St. LOD 7120101 Israel
Tel 972-8-9186113 Fax 972-8-9153101
Mail : mailto:dav...@itlglobal.org/mailto:dav...@itl.co.il/e...@itl.co.il  Web 
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From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@woodjohn.uk]
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2018 1:20 PM
To: mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] AW: [PSES] OJ list of standards under the EMC Directive

Thank you very much.
John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only
J M Woodgate and Associates http://www.woodjohn.uk
Rayleigh, Essex UK
On 2018-01-03 10:38, Dürrer Bernd wrote:
Hi John,

try

http://ec.europa.eu/growth/single-market/european-standards/harmonised-standards/

and for EMC

https://ec.europa.eu/growth/single-market/european-standards/harmonised-standards/electromagnetic-compatibility_en

Happy new year and best regards,

Bernd



Von: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@woodjohn.uk]
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 3. Januar 2018 11:34
An: mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Betreff: [PSES] OJ list of standards under the EMC Directive

HNY to all. I am having trouble finding the latest OJ list. I keep being 
directed to pages that no longer exist. Can anyone please help?
--
John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only
J M Woodgate and Associates http://www.woodjohn.uk
Rayleigh, Essex UK
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