Re: [PSES] Automated listserv error message

[Regan Arndt]

Hi Peter. Received same message. Weird.

On Wed, Apr 24, 2019, 8:32 AM Doug Powell  wrote:

> All,
>
> Yesterday I received what was called an automatic removal message from
> the listserv.  The subject line was "Your removal from the EMC-PSTC
> list".  And indeed, I was unsubscribed for the first time since 1997.
> I wondered if anyone else with a gmail account has this problem.
>
> I was advised to contact my email administrator and of course you can
> see I am on gmail.  Apparently there were three separate message
> rejections with error 5.0.0
>
> Best, Doug
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Re: [PSES] Automated listserv error message

[Peter Tarver]

I note that my subscription at my home account was not unsubscribed
(POP3).


Peter Tarver



Date sent:  Wed, 24 Apr 2019 17:10:55 +
Send reply to:  Peter Tarver 
From:   Peter Tarver 
Subject:Re: [PSES] Automated listserv error message
Originally to:  Steve Brody 
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 Ditto, but using Outlook on an Outlook 365 server. Mike was very 
responsive and restored
 my subscription.
  
  
 Peter Tarver
  
 From: Steve Brody 
 Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 8:38 AM
 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
 Subject: Re: [PSES] Automated listserv error message
  
 Yes - same message and issue. I forwarded to administrators Scott Douglas 
and Mike
 Cantwell for additional info if possible. I am, or was, subscribed through 
my IEEE.org alias
 and then forwarded to my Comcast.net email account.

 On April 24, 2019 at 11:32 AM Doug Powell 
 wrote:


 All,

 Yesterday I received what was called an automatic removal message from
 the listserv. The subject line was "Your removal from the EMC-PSTC
 list". And indeed, I was unsubscribed for the first time since 1997.
 I wondered if anyone else with a gmail account has this problem.

 I was advised to contact my email administrator and of course you can
 see I am on gmail. Apparently there were three separate message
 rejections with error 5.0.0

 Best, Doug

 --

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Re: [PSES] Auto-Deletion of 558 Subscribers to EMC-PSTC

[Jim Bacher]

Please keep in mind if you run into issues with the list, best thing to do
is send a private email to both Mike and Scott, rather than the list. Their
email address are at the bottom of every email from the list, so they are
easy to find. Reason for both, is one of them might be traveling and not
have access to admin functions.

As they have set the list back to manual deletion, there will no longer be
automatic deletions from the list. They will not be as fast as the auto
function and can judge what action is needed. The down side is they are
going to be deluged with list admin emails, which will consume more of
their time.

Keep in mind they are volunteers, and are not paid IEEE employees. Same of
course is true for Dave Heald and myself.

Jim

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Re: [PSES] E-Stop Questions

[Doug Nix]

Mark,

No, it absolutely must be YELLOW as the recognized colour combination is RED 
and YELLOW. See NFPA 79, 2015, 9.2.5.4, IEC 60204-1:2018, 10.7, ISO 13850:2015, 
4.3.6.

BTW, here are the actual words WRT to the colour and size:

> 4.3.6 The actuator of the emergency stop device shall be coloured RED. As far 
> as a background exists
> behind the actuator and as far as it is practicable, the background shall be 
> coloured YELLOW.
> Emergency stop devices shall be designed and mounted in such a way that the 
> actuation cannot be easily
> blocked by simple means.
> NOTE This can happen when objects fall beneath the actuating surface or when 
> there is an intention of defeating.
> Emergency stop device requiring a key on the actuator to be disengaged 
> (unlatched) should be avoided.
> When an emergency stop actuator can only be disengaged by using a key, to 
> avoid injuries to hands,
> instruction for use of the machine shall describe the correct use of the key 
> and provide a warning that
> the key should only be in the actuator of the device to disengage the 
> actuator.


As to the “Emergency Stop” text marking:

> 4.3.7 Neither the actuator nor the background should be labelled with text or 
> symbols. Where a symbol
> is needed for clarification, the symbol from IEC 60417-5638 shall be used, 
> see Figure 2.
> When it is necessary to identify the direction of unlatching of the actuator 
> (button) then this identification
> shall have the same or nearly the same colour as the actuator (see also IEC 
> 60947-5-5).
> NOTE The identification of unlatching (i.e. arrows) could be misinterpreted 
> as direction of actuation.


The IEC standard that details the requirements for the estop device is IEC 
60947-5-5, Low voltage switchgear and controlgear—Part 5-5: Control circuit 
devices and switching elements—Electrical emergency stop device with mechanical 
latching function.

Doug Nix
d...@ieee.org
+1 (519) 729-5704

> On 24-Apr-19, at 14:52, Mark Ortlieb  wrote:
> 
> Gents,
>  
> This is a very timely discussion as some of this has come up as a topic of 
> discussion for me in just the last couple days. Specifically regarding the 
> yellow background. My question is:
>  
> Must the background be yellow, or can it be any color as long as it provides 
> strong contrast with the red button? Someone suggested blue as a background 
> color because allegedly this is easier for color blind persons to see.
>  
> What standard(s) does this requirement come from?
>  
> Thanks,
>  
> Mark
>  
> Mark Ortlieb
> Sr. Product Safety Engineer
> 858-207-7591
>  
> Brain Corporation™
> 9401 Waples Street, Suite 100 
> 
> San Diego, CA 
> 
>   92121 
> 
> www.braincorp.com 
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
> From: "Doug Nix, C.E.T." 
> Reply-To: "Doug Nix, C.E.T." 
> Date: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 at 10:16 AM
> To: "EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG" 
> Subject: Re: [PSES] E-Stop Questions
>  
> Hi Brian, 
>  
> I’ve dealt with many related questions on my blog, machinerysafety101.com 
>  
> https://machinerysafety101.com/series/emergency-stop/ 
> , but not these 
> specific questions, so I’ll answer them now. Then I’ll add them to the blog 
> (thanks for the inspiration!). 
>  
> 1) How mushroom-shaped is enough?
>  
> There’s no hard answer to this, but I can say this: there are three 
> fundamental shapes for push button operators, flush, extended, and mushroom. 
> The intent is that neither flush nor extended head operators be used for 
> e-stop functions. More info in IEC 60947 on that. 
>  
> 2) Yellow background. Yellow backgrounds have to be big enough to provide 
> clear contrast with the red button operator. A tiny ring, or just a yellow 
> stripe around the base of the button is not enough in my opinion. Typical 
> rings are 2x the operator nominal size, i.e., 30 mm buttons get a 60 mm ring, 
> 22 mm buttons get a 44 mm ring. These are common practice recommendations. 
>  
> 3) Printing “emergency stop” on the yellow ring is not required in any 
> jurisdiction anymore, and has been removed from NFPA 79, as well as IEC 
> 60204-1. Just leave it off, as the red/yellow combination is internationally 
> recognized as the sign for e-stop and emergency switching off devices. 
>  
> Best,
> Doug Nix
>  
> d...@ieee.org 
> Mobile: (519) 729-5704
> Office:(519) 650-4753
> 
> On Apr 24, 2019, at 12:49, John Woodgate  > wrote:
> 
> Mushrooms come in all sorts of shape, so the description is not very 
> scientific.  It's only a concern if the AHJ thinks it is!
> 
> Whether the English is acceptable is a 

Re: [PSES] Auto-Deletion of 558 Subscribers to EMC-PSTC

[John Woodgate]

No, I feel sure that the auto-unsubscribe bot isn't triggered if there 
is ANY sort of response to the message.  'Address doesn't exist' or 
'address unreachable' seem to be the triggers. Those can be produced by 
all sorts of glitches in the net, nothing to do with individual 
subscribers or their ISPs.


Best wishes
John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only
J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk
Rayleigh, Essex UK

On 2019-04-24 18:10, lauren.cr...@us.tel.com wrote:


So did I get ‘booted’ because I was out of office a couple times this 
month?


Has restoration work already completed? I am clearly not actually 
booted, ‘cause I got your message.


Was this a one time glitch or will it happen again next time I have a 
heavy travel month and put up out of office notices?


Thanks

-L.Crane




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Re: [PSES] E-Stop Questions

[Mark Ortlieb]

Gents,

This is a very timely discussion as some of this has come up as a topic of 
discussion for me in just the last couple days. Specifically regarding the 
yellow background. My question is:


  *   Must the background be yellow, or can it be any color as long as it 
provides strong contrast with the red button? Someone suggested blue as a 
background color because allegedly this is easier for color blind persons to 
see.

What standard(s) does this requirement come from?

Thanks,

Mark

Mark Ortlieb
Sr. Product Safety Engineer
858-207-7591


Brain Corporation™
9401 Waples Street, Suite 
100
San Diego, 
CA
  
92121
www.braincorp.com






From: "Doug Nix, C.E.T." 
Reply-To: "Doug Nix, C.E.T." 
Date: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 at 10:16 AM
To: "EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG" 
Subject: Re: [PSES] E-Stop Questions

Hi Brian,

I’ve dealt with many related questions on my blog, 
machinerysafety101.com 
https://machinerysafety101.com/series/emergency-stop/, but not these specific 
questions, so I’ll answer them now. Then I’ll add them to the blog (thanks for 
the inspiration!).

1) How mushroom-shaped is enough?

There’s no hard answer to this, but I can say this: there are three fundamental 
shapes for push button operators, flush, extended, and mushroom. The intent is 
that neither flush nor extended head operators be used for e-stop functions. 
More info in IEC 60947 on that.

2) Yellow background. Yellow backgrounds have to be big enough to provide clear 
contrast with the red button operator. A tiny ring, or just a yellow stripe 
around the base of the button is not enough in my opinion. Typical rings are 2x 
the operator nominal size, i.e., 30 mm buttons get a 60 mm ring, 22 mm buttons 
get a 44 mm ring. These are common practice recommendations.

3) Printing “emergency stop” on the yellow ring is not required in any 
jurisdiction anymore, and has been removed from NFPA 79, as well as IEC 
60204-1. Just leave it off, as the red/yellow combination is internationally 
recognized as the sign for e-stop and emergency switching off devices.

Best,
Doug Nix

d...@ieee.org
Mobile: (519) 729-5704
Office:(519) 650-4753

On Apr 24, 2019, at 12:49, John Woodgate 
mailto:j...@woodjohn.uk>> wrote:

Mushrooms come in all sorts of shape, so the description is not very 
scientific.  It's only a concern if the AHJ thinks it is!

Whether the English is acceptable is a matter for national legislation, so 
there are probably several incompatible answers.

Best wishes

John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only

J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk

Rayleigh, Essex UK
On 2019-04-24 17:43, Brian Kunde wrote:
I am constantly being asked three questions about E-Stops which I cannot find 
the answers to.

1. "Mushroom Shape" is specifically called out in some standards but the newer 
style e-stop switches are becoming less and less Mushroom Shaped.  If this a 
concern?
2. "Yellow Background" is getting smaller and smaller. Some small e-stop 
switches has no yellow background but has a small area on the shaft of the 
switch that is yellow. This is not technically the "background".  Is this 
acceptable or is a yellow background required in addition?  The size of the 
yellow area is not specified as far as I have found.

3. English text "Emergency Stop" printed on the button or on the yellow 
background ring:  Is this a problem in non-english speaking countries?  Do I 
have to translate (like in French for France and Canada) or are these words 
"globally acceptable"?  I have been telling our engineers to choose e-stop 
switches and yellow rings without text but some manufacturers only provide it 
with the text.

Thanks to all.

The Other Brian
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Re: [PSES] Automated listserv error message

[Peter Tarver]

Ditto, but using Outlook on an Outlook 365 server. Mike was very responsive and 
restored my subscription.


Peter Tarver

From: Steve Brody 
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 8:38 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Automated listserv error message

Yes - same message and issue. I forwarded to administrators Scott Douglas and 
Mike Cantwell for additional info if possible. I am, or was, subscribed through 
my IEEE.org alias and then forwarded to my Comcast.net email account.

On April 24, 2019 at 11:32 AM Doug Powell 
mailto:doug...@gmail.com>> wrote:


All,

Yesterday I received what was called an automatic removal message from
the listserv. The subject line was "Your removal from the EMC-PSTC
list". And indeed, I was unsubscribed for the first time since 1997.
I wondered if anyone else with a gmail account has this problem.

I was advised to contact my email administrator and of course you can
see I am on gmail. Apparently there were three separate message
rejections with error 5.0.0

Best, Doug

--

Douglas E Powell


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Re: [PSES] Auto-Deletion of 558 Subscribers to EMC-PSTC

[lauren . crane]

So did I get ‘booted’ because I was out of office a couple times this month?

Has restoration work already completed? I am clearly not actually booted, 
‘cause I got your message.

Was this a one time glitch or will it happen again next time I have a heavy 
travel month and put up out of office notices?

Thanks
-L.Crane

From: Scott Douglas 
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 11:19 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] Auto-Deletion of 558 Subscribers to EMC-PSTC

To all members,

Last night Listserv, following list rules, deleted 558 (of 632) subscribers 
from the EMC-PSTC Email List. All subscribers haev been added back to the list.

Since I only had email addresses to import back, 37 subscribers had their first 
and last names changed to be empty fields. I apologize if you had already 
re-subscribed this morning and now had your name information deleted. But your 
email address is definitely there. If you want to enter your name back in, 
please let me know and I can do that for you (if you can't do it yourself).

The deletion happened because we have an auto-delete setting turned on in our 
list management rule set. This was turned on years ago bcause we were getting 
too many warnings and errors related to bounce messages and mail loops. All of 
these had to be dealt with manually one at a time so the rule was enabled.

Scott Douglas
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Re: [PSES] Fully anechoic chamber FAC

[John Woodgate]

I suspect that the rule applies to chambers of the same useful volume. 
The FAC needs some special arrangement for the floor, which costs.


Best wishes
John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only
J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk
Rayleigh, Essex UK

On 2019-04-24 18:28, Amund Westin wrote:


Is a rule of thumb, I have heard that FAC can be 20-40% more expensive 
than SEC (semi-anechoic chamber). I find this «rule» something 
strange, since a SEC might be quite bigger in volum.


Anyone who can confirm this?

Cheers!

BR
Amund

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[PSES] Fully anechoic chamber FAC

[Amund Westin]

Is a rule of thumb, I have heard that FAC can be 20-40% more expensive than SEC 
(semi-anechoic chamber). I find this «rule» something strange, since a SEC 
might be quite bigger in volum.

 

Anyone who can confirm this?

 

Cheers!

 

BR
Amund


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Re: [PSES] E-Stop Questions

[Brian Kunde]

Thanks. Very Helpful.

The Other Brian

On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 1:16 PM Doug Nix, C.E.T.  wrote:

> Hi Brian,
>
> I’ve dealt with many related questions on my blog, machinerysafety101.com
> https://machinerysafety101.com/series/emergency-stop/, but not these
> specific questions, so I’ll answer them now. Then I’ll add them to the blog
> (thanks for the inspiration!).
>
> 1) How mushroom-shaped is enough?
>
> There’s no hard answer to this, but I can say this: there are three
> fundamental shapes for push button operators, flush, extended, and
> mushroom. The intent is that neither flush nor extended head operators be
> used for e-stop functions. More info in IEC 60947 on that.
>
> 2) Yellow background. Yellow backgrounds have to be big enough to provide
> clear contrast with the red button operator. A tiny ring, or just a yellow
> stripe around the base of the button is not enough in my opinion. Typical
> rings are 2x the operator nominal size, i.e., 30 mm buttons get a 60 mm
> ring, 22 mm buttons get a 44 mm ring. These are common practice
> recommendations.
>
> 3) Printing “emergency stop” on the yellow ring is not required in any
> jurisdiction anymore, and has been removed from NFPA 79, as well as IEC
> 60204-1. Just leave it off, as the red/yellow combination is
> internationally recognized as the sign for e-stop and emergency switching
> off devices.
>
> Best,
> Doug Nix
>
> d...@ieee.org
> Mobile: (519) 729-5704
> Office:(519) 650-4753
>
> On Apr 24, 2019, at 12:49, John Woodgate  wrote:
>
> Mushrooms come in all sorts of shape, so the description is not very
> scientific.  It's only a concern if the AHJ thinks it is!
>
> Whether the English is acceptable is a matter for national legislation, so
> there are probably several incompatible answers.
>
> Best wishes
> John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only
> J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk
> Rayleigh, Essex UK
>
> On 2019-04-24 17:43, Brian Kunde wrote:
>
> I am constantly being asked three questions about E-Stops which I cannot
> find the answers to.
>
> 1. "Mushroom Shape" is specifically called out in some standards but the
> newer style e-stop switches are becoming less and less Mushroom Shaped.  If
> this a concern?
>
> 2. "Yellow Background" is getting smaller and smaller. Some small e-stop
> switches has no yellow background but has a small area on the shaft of the
> switch that is yellow. This is not technically the "background".  Is this
> acceptable or is a yellow background required in addition?  The size of the
> yellow area is not specified as far as I have found.
>
> 3. English text "Emergency Stop" printed on the button or on the yellow
> background ring:  Is this a problem in non-english speaking countries?  Do
> I have to translate (like in French for France and Canada) or are these
> words "globally acceptable"?  I have been telling our engineers to choose
> e-stop switches and yellow rings without text but some manufacturers only
> provide it with the text.
>
> Thanks to all.
>
> The Other Brian
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Re: [PSES] FAO the Admins - Reinstatement of my blueyonder.co.uk email address, and related general issues!

[Nyffenegger, Dave]

I received the same message and I haven’t done anything about it yet and still 
receiving email.
-Dave

From: Gert Gremmen [mailto:g.grem...@cetest.nl]
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 6:30 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] FAO the Admins - Reinstatement of my blueyonder.co.uk email 
address, and related general issues!


Same here. Email provider states that it changed nothing !

Gert Gremmen
On 24-4-2019 11:51, James Pawson (U3C) wrote:
John,

I also received the same message this morning and also re-subscribed. This is 
puzzling as I recently implemented SPF on my email. Is this perhaps related to 
any changes to the IEEE mail server?

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From: John Allen 
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Sent: 24 April 2019 10:45
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] FAO the Admins - Reinstatement of my blueyonder.co.uk email 
address, and related general issues!

To the EMC-PSTC Admins:

This morning I received the attached automated message stating that I had been 
removed from the EMC-PSTC list because of repeated rejections of emails to my 
blueyonder.co.uk email address.

I investigated and found that this was because of changes that my email 
provider had made to its automated spam filtering systems, and that email 
senders must make changes to THEIR systems to prevent this happening again – 
this affects emails to the following domains: virginmedia.com, 
blueyonder.co.uk, ntlworld.com, virgin.net.

I followed the resubscription route and am now thus (at least temporaily!) 
“back” but I cc’d my resubscribe email to several of the EMC-PSTC addresses I 
have, including emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org 
in the hope that this would mean that the included message about how to fix the 
issues would come to the attention of the Admins. Unfortunately, however, I 
received emails to confirm that all of those cc emails were either rejected or 
“timed out” (the majordomo address) before delivery.

Therefore, here is the text that I included in that resubscribe message about 
the issue and how to fix it so that it does not happen again:

I quote from 
https://community.virginmedia.com/t5/Email/Advice-for-sending-emails-to-Virgin-Media-domains/td-p/3957034
 which states this:
“Advice for sending emails to Virgin Media domains

on ‎18-03-2019 10:13

In the last week we have made a couple of tweaks to the email platform to 
better our spam detection, these tweaks involve checking if the sending  email 
domain has the appropriate records to send email.

We ask that anyone sending emails to our domains (virginmedia.com, 
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basic records needed which include SPF and/or DMARC. SPF is the more common of 
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What is greylisting?

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Why are we doing this?

It is best practice to always have a correctly set up email server, as this 
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trying to protect our customers and feel this small change will help that. We 
do plan to make further changes but we will now start slowly and ramp it up as 
we go.

As always we appreciate your feedback.

For more information please visit our bulk sender’s guidelines here: 
https://www.virginmedia.com/help/virgin-media-mail-how-to-send-bulk-emails, 
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Re: [PSES] E-Stop Questions

[Doug Nix, C.E.T.]

Hi Brian,

I’ve dealt with many related questions on my blog, machinerysafety101.com 
https://machinerysafety101.com/series/emergency-stop/, but not these specific 
questions, so I’ll answer them now. Then I’ll add them to the blog (thanks for 
the inspiration!). 

1) How mushroom-shaped is enough?

There’s no hard answer to this, but I can say this: there are three fundamental 
shapes for push button operators, flush, extended, and mushroom. The intent is 
that neither flush nor extended head operators be used for e-stop functions. 
More info in IEC 60947 on that. 

2) Yellow background. Yellow backgrounds have to be big enough to provide clear 
contrast with the red button operator. A tiny ring, or just a yellow stripe 
around the base of the button is not enough in my opinion. Typical rings are 2x 
the operator nominal size, i.e., 30 mm buttons get a 60 mm ring, 22 mm buttons 
get a 44 mm ring. These are common practice recommendations. 

3) Printing “emergency stop” on the yellow ring is not required in any 
jurisdiction anymore, and has been removed from NFPA 79, as well as IEC 
60204-1. Just leave it off, as the red/yellow combination is internationally 
recognized as the sign for e-stop and emergency switching off devices. 

Best,
Doug Nix

d...@ieee.org
Mobile: (519) 729-5704
Office:(519) 650-4753

> On Apr 24, 2019, at 12:49, John Woodgate  wrote:
> 
> Mushrooms come in all sorts of shape, so the description is not very 
> scientific.  It's only a concern if the AHJ thinks it is!
> 
> Whether the English is acceptable is a matter for national legislation, so 
> there are probably several incompatible answers.
> 
> Best wishes
> John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only
> J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk
> Rayleigh, Essex UK
>> On 2019-04-24 17:43, Brian Kunde wrote:
>> I am constantly being asked three questions about E-Stops which I cannot 
>> find the answers to.
>> 
>> 1. "Mushroom Shape" is specifically called out in some standards but the 
>> newer style e-stop switches are becoming less and less Mushroom Shaped.  If 
>> this a concern?
>> 
>> 2. "Yellow Background" is getting smaller and smaller. Some small e-stop 
>> switches has no yellow background but has a small area on the shaft of the 
>> switch that is yellow. This is not technically the "background".  Is this 
>> acceptable or is a yellow background required in addition?  The size of the 
>> yellow area is not specified as far as I have found. 
>> 
>> 3. English text "Emergency Stop" printed on the button or on the yellow 
>> background ring:  Is this a problem in non-english speaking countries?  Do I 
>> have to translate (like in French for France and Canada) or are these words 
>> "globally acceptable"?  I have been telling our engineers to choose e-stop 
>> switches and yellow rings without text but some manufacturers only provide 
>> it with the text.  
>> 
>> Thanks to all.
>> 
>> The Other Brian
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Re: [PSES] EMC-PSTC Listserver Glitch

[sgbrody]

Mike - thank you for the rapid response!!Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy 
smartphone
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[PSES] EMC-PSTC Listserver Glitch Hi all,Last night, the listserver deleted 538 
subscribers to the EMC-PSTC list. We believe that we have corrected the setting 
that likely caused this to happen. We've also been able to re-import the 
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(including me, one of the admins), can read this email and now understand what 
happened.We'll monitor closely to see if the problem has been corrected, 
hopefully, we won't have another auto-delete. We're sorry for this 
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Re: [PSES] Big Boot from List Server

[Ghery S. Pettit]

I'm on Comcast (IEEE email address aliases over to it) and I got booted from the listservs group for 2 rejections in several months.  Good luck to the admins.  Sent from Xfinity Connect Application-Original Message-From: bkundew...@gmail.comTo: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORGSent: 2019-04-24 8:05:38 AM Subject: [PSES] Big Boot from List ServerSince the first of the year, I have been having trouble maintaining my subscription to this List Server. According to those who administrate this, the problems are all at our end but our eMail Administrator looked into it and said the problem that is being reported is outside our control (Phishing).So in early April, I switched to my Gmail account thinking that this move should resolve all the issues. Nope. Today I was booted again for 2 undeliverable emails.   The problem is not my posts because I haven't posted since my last re-subscription.  I don't know what else to try. Is anyone else having similar troubles? Any suggestions other than just re-subscribing every few weeks?  I appreciate your input. The Other Brian
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Re: [PSES] E-Stop Questions

[John Woodgate]

Mushrooms come in all sorts of shape, so the description is not very 
scientific.  It's only a concern if the AHJ thinks it is!


Whether the English is acceptable is a matter for national legislation, 
so there are probably several incompatible answers.


Best wishes
John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only
J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk
Rayleigh, Essex UK

On 2019-04-24 17:43, Brian Kunde wrote:
I am constantly being asked three questions about E-Stops which I 
cannot find the answers to.


1. "Mushroom Shape" is specifically called out in some standards but 
the newer style e-stop switches are becoming less and less Mushroom 
Shaped.  If this a concern?


2. "Yellow Background" is getting smaller and smaller. Some small 
e-stop switches has no yellow background but has a small area on the 
shaft of the switch that is yellow. This is not technically the 
"background".  Is this acceptable or is a yellow background required 
in addition?  The size of the yellow area is not specified as far as I 
have found.


3. English text "Emergency Stop" printed on the button or on the 
yellow background ring:  Is this a problem in non-english speaking 
countries?  Do I have to translate (like in French for France and 
Canada) or are these words "globally acceptable"?  I have been telling 
our engineers to choose e-stop switches and yellow rings without text 
but some manufacturers only provide it with the text.


Thanks to all.

The Other Brian
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[PSES] E-Stop Questions

[Brian Kunde]

I am constantly being asked three questions about E-Stops which I cannot
find the answers to.

1. "Mushroom Shape" is specifically called out in some standards but the
newer style e-stop switches are becoming less and less Mushroom Shaped.  If
this a concern?

2. "Yellow Background" is getting smaller and smaller. Some small e-stop
switches has no yellow background but has a small area on the shaft of the
switch that is yellow. This is not technically the "background".  Is this
acceptable or is a yellow background required in addition?  The size of the
yellow area is not specified as far as I have found.

3. English text "Emergency Stop" printed on the button or on the yellow
background ring:  Is this a problem in non-english speaking countries?  Do
I have to translate (like in French for France and Canada) or are these
words "globally acceptable"?  I have been telling our engineers to choose
e-stop switches and yellow rings without text but some manufacturers only
provide it with the text.

Thanks to all.

The Other Brian

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Re: [PSES] Automated listserv error message

[Aron Viner]

Dear John, 

Looks like it¹s common problemŠI just received same message as well.
Please advice how I can restore the access to the server.

Thanks, 

Aron Viner
908 Devices Inc.
Consultant, Regulatory Compliance
Phone; 774-217-1748
E-mail: aron.vi...@verizon.net


From:  John Woodgate 
Reply-To:  John Woodgate 
Date:  Wednesday, April 24, 2019 at 11:40 AM
To:  
Subject:  Re: [PSES] Automated listserv error message


 

Yes, but I am not on gmail. I was unsubscribed due to 2 or 3 (it's not
clear) email failures since 9 April. I have protested, because 3 failures is
far too few for such drastic action, and the failures may well be due to
nothing that is under the control of either the subscriber or the ISP. For
instance, a DNS-lookup failure at the IEEE could cause an 'email address
does not exist' failure.
 
 
Best wishes
John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only
J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk 
Rayleigh, Essex UK
 
On 2019-04-24 16:32, Doug Powell wrote:
 
 
>  
> All,
> 
> Yesterday I received what was called an automatic removal message from
> the listserv.  The subject line was "Your removal from the EMC-PSTC
> list".  And indeed, I was unsubscribed for the first time since 1997.
> I wondered if anyone else with a gmail account has this problem.
> 
> I was advised to contact my email administrator and of course you can
> see I am on gmail.  Apparently there were three separate message
> rejections with error 5.0.0
> 
> Best, Doug
> 
>  
 
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Re: [PSES] Auto-Deletion of 558 Subscribers to EMC-PSTC

[John Woodgate]

Are you going to set the trigger for auto-delete to some more reasonable 
number of email failures, on a 'per month' basis, not 'over all time'?


Best wishes
John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only
J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk
Rayleigh, Essex UK

On 2019-04-24 17:18, Scott Douglas wrote:

To all members,

Last night Listserv, following list rules, deleted 558 (of 632) 
subscribers from the EMC-PSTC Email List. All subscribers haev been 
added back to the list.


Since I only had email addresses to import back, 37 subscribers had 
their first and last names changed to be empty fields. I apologize if 
you had already re-subscribed this morning and now had your name 
information deleted. But your email address is definitely there. If 
you want to enter your name back in, please let me know and I can do 
that for you (if you can't do it yourself).


The deletion happened because we have an auto-delete setting turned on 
in our list management rule set. This was turned on years ago bcause 
we were getting too many warnings and errors related to bounce 
messages and mail loops. All of these had to be dealt with manually 
one at a time so the rule was enabled.


Scott Douglas
List Admin
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Re: [PSES] Automated listserv error message

[Nick Williams]

It’s not just gmail accounts - I got the same message and my mail goes nowhere 
near gmail. 

If this message gets through then I have not been unsubscribed no matter what 
the message said!

Nick. 


> On 24 Apr 2019, at 16:32, Doug Powell  wrote:
> 
> All,
> 
> Yesterday I received what was called an automatic removal message from
> the listserv.  The subject line was "Your removal from the EMC-PSTC
> list".  And indeed, I was unsubscribed for the first time since 1997.
> I wondered if anyone else with a gmail account has this problem.
> 
> I was advised to contact my email administrator and of course you can
> see I am on gmail.  Apparently there were three separate message
> rejections with error 5.0.0
> 
> Best, Doug
> 
> -- 
> 
> Douglas E Powell
> 
> doug...@gmail.com
> http://www.linkedin.com/in/dougp01
> 
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> 
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> formats), large files, etc.
> 
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Re: [PSES] Big Boot from List Server

[Brian Kunde]

So hopefully it is no big deal and just a glitch the List Server
administrators will resolve.  From my perspective, since this was the third
time since January, it seemed like a bigger deal than it really was.  Sorry
if I over-reacted.

Piece Out.

The Other Brian

On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 12:18 PM Sundstrom, Mike 
wrote:

> I got this email for the first time last night. It says I’m unsubscribed
> now?
>
> So my main question is, have I actually been unsubscribed or is this a
> bogus email?
>
>
>
> Enquiring minds want to know.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Michael Sundstrom
>
> Garmin Compliance Engineer
>
> 2-2605
>
> (913) 440 1540
>
> KB5UKT
>
>
>
>
> *"We call it theory when we know much about something but nothing works,
> and practice when everything works but nobody knows why."  *-- Albert
> Einstein
>
>
>
> *From:* Nyffenegger, Dave 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 24, 2019 10:16 AM
> *To:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
> *Subject:* Re: [PSES] Big Boot from List Server
>
>
>
> *CAUTION - EXTERNAL EMAIL:* Do not click any links or open any
> attachments unless you trust the sender and know the content is safe.
>
>
>
>
>
> I received the same systematic notification last night as everyone else
> and have not done anything with it.  I am receiving email today but I don’t
> think my post from earlier this morning went through.  So we’ll see if this
> reply goes through or not.
>
>
>
> -Dave
>
>
>
> *From:* Brian Kunde [mailto:bkundew...@gmail.com ]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 24, 2019 11:05 AM
> *To:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
> *Subject:* [PSES] Big Boot from List Server
>
>
>
> Since the first of the year, I have been having trouble maintaining my
> subscription to this List Server. According to those who administrate this,
> the problems are all at our end but our eMail Administrator looked into it
> and said the problem that is being reported is outside our control
> (Phishing).
>
>
>
> So in early April, I switched to my Gmail account thinking that this move
> should resolve all the issues. Nope. Today I was booted again for 2
> undeliverable emails.
>
>
>
> The problem is not my posts because I haven't posted since my last
> re-subscription.  I don't know what else to try.
>
>
>
> Is anyone else having similar troubles? Any suggestions other than just
> re-subscribing every few weeks?
>
>
>
> I appreciate your input.
>
>
>
> The Other Brian
>
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>
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> well-used formats), large files, etc.
>
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>
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> http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in
> well-used formats), large files, etc.
>
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[PSES] Auto-Deletion of 558 Subscribers to EMC-PSTC

[Scott Douglas]

To all members,

Last night Listserv, following list rules, deleted 558 (of 632) subscribers
from the EMC-PSTC Email List. All subscribers haev been added back to the
list.

Since I only had email addresses to import back, 37 subscribers had their
first and last names changed to be empty fields. I apologize if you had
already re-subscribed this morning and now had your name information
deleted. But your email address is definitely there. If you want to enter
your name back in, please let me know and I can do that for you (if you
can't do it yourself).

The deletion happened because we have an auto-delete setting turned on in
our list management rule set. This was turned on years ago bcause we were
getting too many warnings and errors related to bounce messages and mail
loops. All of these had to be dealt with manually one at a time so the rule
was enabled.

Scott Douglas
List Admin

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Re: [PSES] Big Boot from List Server

[Sundstrom, Mike]

I got this email for the first time last night. It says I’m unsubscribed now?
So my main question is, have I actually been unsubscribed or is this a bogus 
email?

Enquiring minds want to know.

Thanks,

Michael Sundstrom
Garmin Compliance Engineer
2-2605
(913) 440 1540
KB5UKT

"We call it theory when we know much about something but nothing works,
and practice when everything works but nobody knows why."  -- Albert 
Einstein

From: Nyffenegger, Dave 
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 10:16 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Big Boot from List Server

CAUTION - EXTERNAL EMAIL: Do not click any links or open any attachments unless 
you trust the sender and know the content is safe.




I received the same systematic notification last night as everyone else and 
have not done anything with it.  I am receiving email today but I don’t think 
my post from earlier this morning went through.  So we’ll see if this reply 
goes through or not.

-Dave

From: Brian Kunde [mailto:bkundew...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 11:05 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] Big Boot from List Server

Since the first of the year, I have been having trouble maintaining my 
subscription to this List Server. According to those who administrate this, the 
problems are all at our end but our eMail Administrator looked into it and said 
the problem that is being reported is outside our control (Phishing).

So in early April, I switched to my Gmail account thinking that this move 
should resolve all the issues. Nope. Today I was booted again for 2 
undeliverable emails.

The problem is not my posts because I haven't posted since my last 
re-subscription.  I don't know what else to try.

Is anyone else having similar troubles? Any suggestions other than just 
re-subscribing every few weeks?

I appreciate your input.

The Other Brian
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Re: [PSES] Big Boot from List Server

[Bill Stumpf]

I also have been booted.

From: Nyffenegger, Dave [mailto:dave.nyffeneg...@bhemail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 10:16 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Big Boot from List Server

I received the same systematic notification last night as everyone else and 
have not done anything with it.  I am receiving email today but I don’t think 
my post from earlier this morning went through.  So we’ll see if this reply 
goes through or not.

-Dave

From: Brian Kunde [mailto:bkundew...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 11:05 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] Big Boot from List Server

Since the first of the year, I have been having trouble maintaining my 
subscription to this List Server. According to those who administrate this, the 
problems are all at our end but our eMail Administrator looked into it and said 
the problem that is being reported is outside our control (Phishing).

So in early April, I switched to my Gmail account thinking that this move 
should resolve all the issues. Nope. Today I was booted again for 2 
undeliverable emails.

The problem is not my posts because I haven't posted since my last 
re-subscription.  I don't know what else to try.

Is anyone else having similar troubles? Any suggestions other than just 
re-subscribing every few weeks?

I appreciate your input.

The Other Brian
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[PSES] EMC-PSTC Listserver Glitch

[Michael Cantwell]

Hi all,

Last night, the listserver deleted 538 subscribers to the EMC-PSTC list. We
believe that we have corrected the setting that likely caused this to
happen. We've also been able to re-import the deleted addresses as new
subscribers, so hopefully, all those deleted (including me, one of the
admins), can read this email and now understand what happened.

We'll monitor closely to see if the problem has been corrected, hopefully,
we won't have another auto-delete. We're sorry for this inconvenience and
we certainly hope it has been corrected.

-- 

Regards,
Mike

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Re: [PSES] Big Boot from List Server

[Chris Wordley]

Likewise. 


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> On 24 Apr 2019, at 16:20, Don Gies <0d65e2e261b9-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org> 
> wrote:
> 
> I got booted today also, and resubscribed.
> 
> Don Gies
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> 
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> 
> On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 11:05 AM -0400, "Brian Kunde"  > wrote:
> 
> Since the first of the year, I have been having trouble maintaining my 
> subscription to this List Server. According to those who administrate this, 
> the problems are all at our end but our eMail Administrator looked into it 
> and said the problem that is being reported is outside our control (Phishing).
> 
> So in early April, I switched to my Gmail account thinking that this move 
> should resolve all the issues. Nope. Today I was booted again for 2 
> undeliverable emails.   
> 
> The problem is not my posts because I haven't posted since my last 
> re-subscription.  I don't know what else to try. 
> 
> Is anyone else having similar troubles? Any suggestions other than just 
> re-subscribing every few weeks?  
> 
> I appreciate your input. 
> 
> The Other Brian
> -
> 
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> 
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> http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html 
> 
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> http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ 
>  can be used for graphics (in 
> well-used formats), large files, etc.
> 
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Re: [PSES] Automated listserv error message

[Doug Powell]

All again,

It seems this is a system -wide problem and not gmail specifically.
Someone on the server side is tweaking the system and I recommend we
allow some time to work it out.  We should probably minimize the "me
too" messages.

Thanks all, Doug

On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 9:32 AM Doug Powell  wrote:
>
> All,
>
> Yesterday I received what was called an automatic removal message from
> the listserv.  The subject line was "Your removal from the EMC-PSTC
> list".  And indeed, I was unsubscribed for the first time since 1997.
> I wondered if anyone else with a gmail account has this problem.
>
> I was advised to contact my email administrator and of course you can
> see I am on gmail.  Apparently there were three separate message
> rejections with error 5.0.0
>
> Best, Doug
>
> --
>
> Douglas E Powell
>
> doug...@gmail.com
> http://www.linkedin.com/in/dougp01



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Re: [PSES] Automated listserv error message

[John Woodgate]

Yes, but I am not on gmail. I was unsubscribed due to 2 or 3 (it's not 
clear) email failures since 9 April. I have protested, because 3 
failures is far too few for such drastic action, and the failures may 
well be due to nothing that is under the control of either the 
subscriber or the ISP. For instance, a DNS-lookup failure at the IEEE 
could cause an 'email address does not exist' failure.


Best wishes
John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only
J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk
Rayleigh, Essex UK

On 2019-04-24 16:32, Doug Powell wrote:

All,

Yesterday I received what was called an automatic removal message from
the listserv.  The subject line was "Your removal from the EMC-PSTC
list".  And indeed, I was unsubscribed for the first time since 1997.
I wondered if anyone else with a gmail account has this problem.

I was advised to contact my email administrator and of course you can
see I am on gmail.  Apparently there were three separate message
rejections with error 5.0.0

Best, Doug



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Re: [PSES] Automated listserv error message

[STEVENSON Philip]

This message contains OPEN information that is non-sensitive and can be freely 
accessed by individuals inside and outside of THALES.

Sensitivity: Not selected

Doug

I got the same message and I use an Microsoft Outlook account

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From: Doug Powell [mailto:doug...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 24 April 2019 16:32
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [EXTERNAL EMAIL] [PSES] Automated listserv error message

All,

Yesterday I received what was called an automatic removal message from
the listserv.  The subject line was "Your removal from the EMC-PSTC
list".  And indeed, I was unsubscribed for the first time since 1997.
I wondered if anyone else with a gmail account has this problem.

I was advised to contact my email administrator and of course you can
see I am on gmail.  Apparently there were three separate message
rejections with error 5.0.0

Best, Doug

-- 

Douglas E Powell

doug...@gmail.com
http://www.linkedin.com/in/dougp01

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Re: [PSES] Big Boot from List Server

[Steve Brody]

It did.


> On April 24, 2019 at 11:15 AM "Nyffenegger, Dave" 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I received the same systematic notification last night as everyone else 
> and have not done anything with it.  I am receiving email today but I don’t 
> think my post from earlier this morning went through.  So we’ll see if this 
> reply goes through or not.
> 
>  
> 
> -Dave
> 
>  
> 
> From: Brian Kunde [mailto:bkundew...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 11:05 AM
> To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
> Subject: [PSES] Big Boot from List Server
> 
>  
> 
> Since the first of the year, I have been having trouble maintaining my 
> subscription to this List Server. According to those who administrate this, 
> the problems are all at our end but our eMail Administrator looked into it 
> and said the problem that is being reported is outside our control (Phishing).
> 
>  
> 
> So in early April, I switched to my Gmail account thinking that this move 
> should resolve all the issues. Nope. Today I was booted again for 2 
> undeliverable emails.   
> 
>  
> 
> The problem is not my posts because I haven't posted since my last 
> re-subscription.  I don't know what else to try. 
> 
>  
> 
> Is anyone else having similar troubles? Any suggestions other than just 
> re-subscribing every few weeks?  
> 
>  
> 
> I appreciate your input. 
> 
>  
> 
> The Other Brian
> 
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Re: [PSES] Automated listserv error message

[Steve Brody]

Yes - same message and issue. I forwarded to administrators Scott Douglas and 
Mike Cantwell for additional info if possible. I am, or was, subscribed through 
my IEEE.org alias and then forwarded to my Comcast.net email account.

> On April 24, 2019 at 11:32 AM Doug Powell  mailto:doug...@gmail.com > wrote:
> 
> 
> All,
> 
> Yesterday I received what was called an automatic removal message from
> the listserv. The subject line was "Your removal from the EMC-PSTC
> list". And indeed, I was unsubscribed for the first time since 1997.
> I wondered if anyone else with a gmail account has this problem.
> 
> I was advised to contact my email administrator and of course you can
> see I am on gmail. Apparently there were three separate message
> rejections with error 5.0.0
> 
> Best, Doug
> 
> --
> 
> Douglas E Powell
> 
> doug...@gmail.com mailto:doug...@gmail.com
> http://www.linkedin.com/in/dougp01
> 
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> 
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[PSES] Automated listserv error message

[Doug Powell]

All,

Yesterday I received what was called an automatic removal message from
the listserv.  The subject line was "Your removal from the EMC-PSTC
list".  And indeed, I was unsubscribed for the first time since 1997.
I wondered if anyone else with a gmail account has this problem.

I was advised to contact my email administrator and of course you can
see I am on gmail.  Apparently there were three separate message
rejections with error 5.0.0

Best, Doug

-- 

Douglas E Powell

doug...@gmail.com
http://www.linkedin.com/in/dougp01

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Re: [PSES] Big Boot from List Server

[Nyffenegger, Dave]

I received the same systematic notification last night as everyone else and 
have not done anything with it.  I am receiving email today but I don’t think 
my post from earlier this morning went through.  So we’ll see if this reply 
goes through or not.

-Dave

From: Brian Kunde [mailto:bkundew...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 11:05 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] Big Boot from List Server

Since the first of the year, I have been having trouble maintaining my 
subscription to this List Server. According to those who administrate this, the 
problems are all at our end but our eMail Administrator looked into it and said 
the problem that is being reported is outside our control (Phishing).

So in early April, I switched to my Gmail account thinking that this move 
should resolve all the issues. Nope. Today I was booted again for 2 
undeliverable emails.

The problem is not my posts because I haven't posted since my last 
re-subscription.  I don't know what else to try.

Is anyone else having similar troubles? Any suggestions other than just 
re-subscribing every few weeks?

I appreciate your input.

The Other Brian
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