RE: Green/Yellow Earthing Leads
Hello Peter, IEC 60173: Colors of the cores of flexible cables and cords, is still active and provides a coloring scheme for earthing conductors that is referenced in many other IEC standards like 60204. Regards, +=+ |Ronald R. Wellman|Voice : 408-345-8229 | |Agilent Technologies |FAX : 408-553-2412 | |5301 Stevens Creek Blvd.,|E-Mail: ron_well...@agilent.com| |Mailstop 54L-BB |WWW : http://www.agilent.com | |Santa Clara, California 95052 USA| | +=+ -Original Message- From: Peter Merguerian [mailto:pmerguer...@itl.co.il] Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 8:21 AM To: EMC-PSTC (E-mail) Subject: Green/Yellow Earthing Leads Dear Group, What is the percentage of color over a surface area for the insulated green/yellow earthing conductor. Is it better to have more yellow than green or more green than yellow. I know North Americans prefer more green than yellow and Europeans like more yellow than green. Any historical reason? I hope it has nothing to do with the Boston Tea Party! Can the group we come up with some compromise? BTW IEC 60 204 standard for electrical equipment for machinery states the bicolour combination GREEN-AND-YELOW shall be such that on any 15mm length one of the colours covers at least 30% and not more than 70% of the surface of the conductor, tje other colour covering the remainder of the surface. This e-mail message may contain privileged or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not disclose, use, disseminate, distribute, copy or rely upon this message or attachment in any way. If you received this e-mail message in error, please return by forwarding the message and its attachments to the sender. PETER S. MERGUERIAN Technical Director I.T.L. (Product Testing) Ltd. 26 Hacharoshet St., POB 211 Or Yehuda 60251, Israel Tel: + 972-(0)3-5339022 Fax: + 972-(0)3-5339019 Mobile: + 972-(0)54-838175 http://www.itl.co.il http://www.i-spec.com --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
RE: ISO 9k/2k relevance
Hello Brian, ISO 9K accreditation only verifies that you have a quality system in place. It doesn't matter if you make good product or bad product because ISO 9K doesn't measure that, your Customers do. Regards, +=+ |Ronald R. Wellman|Voice : 408-345-8229 | |Agilent Technologies |FAX : 408-553-2412 | |5301 Stevens Creek Blvd.,|E-Mail: ron_well...@agilent.com| |Mailstop 54L-BB |WWW : http://www.agilent.com | |Santa Clara, California 95052 USA| | +=+ -Original Message- From: Brian O'Connell [mailto:boconn...@t-yuden.com] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 7:36 AM To: Product Safety Technical Committee Subject: ISO 9k/2k relevance Good People of the PSTC: I've had some conversations with our Component Engineers, Sales and QA people. I could not identify any customer that placed an order based on our ISO 9k and/or 2k certification. Nor could I identify any component specified and/or purchased that was based on whether a supplier has ISO certification. Is the ISO paper mill relevant? Is there empirical evidence that ISO certification results in better stuff? Is ISO certification a requirement for your purchasing policies? Has ISO certification been a determining or contributing factor for selection of your company's products? At this point, I am not being critical of the ISO process; I am attempting to understand its ROI and relevance to product quality. I speak only for myself; nothing said here represents my employer's policies. R/S, Brian --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
RE: HALT and HAAS
Hello Brian, HALT has never been intended to be a reliability test method. The idea behind HALT is to find weaknesses in a product and address them as appropriate. Reliability testing is a different animal and should never be confused with HALT or STRIFE testing. Regards, +=+ |Ronald R. Wellman|Voice : 408-345-8229 | |Agilent Technologies |FAX : 408-553-2412 | |5301 Stevens Creek Blvd.,|E-Mail: ron_well...@agilent.com| |Mailstop 54L-BB |WWW : http://www.agilent.com | |Santa Clara, California 95052 USA| | +=+ -Original Message- From: Brian O'Connell [mailto:boconn...@t-yuden.com] Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 6:54 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: RE: HALT and HAAS Interesting observations from all. I would appreciate if the good people that posted on this subject could reveal the item, or product category being tested. It would be interesting to see the relative relevance of each test or analysis technique (e.g., MH217, HALT, HASS, ESS, etc) to the product's short and long-term performance. In my current job, I apply HALT and MTBF calculations to component power supplies. HALT seems to quickly reveal a physical or electronic design weakness. But once (manager-selected) design flaws have been removed, HALT does not seem to predict which component is likely to fail over the power supply's life. I have researched some of my employer's MTBF reports and found most to accurately predict failure modes. Brian --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
RE: HALT and HAAS
Hello, If you want to know more about HALT and HASS, obtain a copy of Accelerated Reliability Engineering by Gregg K. Hobbs, John Wiley Sons Ltd., ISBN 0-471-97966-X. Regards, +=+ |Ronald R. Wellman|Voice : 408-345-8229 | |Agilent Technologies |FAX : 408-553-2412 | |5301 Stevens Creek Blvd.,|E-Mail: ron_well...@agilent.com| |Mailstop 54L-BB |WWW : http://www.agilent.com | |Santa Clara, California 95052 USA| | +=+ -Original Message- From: Peter Merguerian [mailto:pmerguer...@itl.co.il] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 3:38 AM To: EMC-PSTC (E-mail) Subject: HALT and HAAS Dear All, 1. Has anyone heard of HALT and HAAS? 2. What are some overseas labs (in Europe, North America and Asia) testing for HALT and HAAS? 3. What does a manufacturer testing to HALT and HAAS gain? This e-mail message may contain privileged or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not disclose, use, disseminate, distribute, copy or rely upon this message or attachment in any way. If you received this e-mail message in error, please return by forwarding the message and its attachments to the sender. PETER S. MERGUERIAN Technical Director I.T.L. (Product Testing) Ltd. 26 Hacharoshet St., POB 211 Or Yehuda 60251, Israel Tel: + 972-(0)3-5339022 Fax: + 972-(0)3-5339019 Mobile: + 972-(0)54-838175 http://www.itl.co.il http://www.i-spec.com --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
Bonding Impedance
Hello all, I recent issue has come up for me regarding why some safety standards specify 100 milliohms as the acceptable impedance for a protective earth ground bonding test. I am curious as to what the rationale is for this specific value and why 25 amps is chosen as the default test current. Regards, +=+ |Ronald R. Wellman|Voice : 408-345-8229 | |Agilent Technologies |FAX : 408-553-2412 | |5301 Stevens Creek Blvd.,|E-Mail: ron_well...@agilent.com| |Mailstop 54L-BB |WWW : http://www.agilent.com | |Santa Clara, California 95052 USA| | +=+ --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
RE: IEC60320
Hello Mark, This sounds very odd. I would ask the manufacturer why there is a non-compliance with IEC 60320 and how this compromises product safeguards. Regards, +=+ |Ronald R. Wellman|Voice : 408-345-8229 | |Agilent Technologies |FAX : 408-553-2412 | |5301 Stevens Creek Blvd.,|E-Mail: ron_well...@agilent.com| |Mailstop 54L-BB |WWW : http://www.agilent.com | |Santa Clara, California 95052 USA| | +=+ -Original Message- From: Mark Schmidt [mailto:mschm...@xrite.com] Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 6:28 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: RE: IEC60320 Oops, I seem to left the problem out. The manufacturer now puts a rib in the spare fuse holder so you cannot put a spare fuse in. Sorry for the confusion. Mark Schmidt Regulatory Compliance X-Rite Incorporated USA (616) 257 2469 mschm...@xrite.com -Original Message- From: Mark Schmidt Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 8:46 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject:IEC60320 Is anyone familiar with IEC60320? We use an AC input module that includes a power switch and fuse holder. The fuse holder is a separate piece that is inserted in the module it also allowed storage for a spare fuse. In our product we shipped them with a spare fuse in order to benefit the customer in case they needed it. The intent was that in case they did blow the fuse that they would have an identical and properly rated replacement fuse available to them. This would hopefully eliminate or reduce the risk of putting an improperly rated fuse in the module. I received a letter from the manufacturer indicating that the design change was made in order to comply with IEC60320. It seems to me that we have now introduced a additional risk, it just doesn't make sense to me. Any comments? Mark Schmidt Regulatory Compliance X-Rite Incorporated USA (616) 257 2469 mschm...@xrite.com mailto:mschm...@xrite.com --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
RE: Nema 5-15R sockets
Hello Jim, By now you have received many replies to your message. However, since your orientation question has been asked many, many times before in my neck of the woods, here is what I know regarding your two questions: 1) Not specified in the NEC or the CEC. However, receptacle orientation is usually determined by either: a) the electrician who installs the receptacle, by their preference, or b) a localized code or practice. In some cases, various hospitals have their own requirements for receptacle installation. 2) Get a copy of NEMA WD-6. It's available electronically (www.nema.org) and doesn't cost big bucks. Besides, it's a good reference to have for all North American plug and receptacle configurations. Regards, +=+ |Ronald R. Wellman|Voice : 408-345-8229 | |Agilent Technologies |FAX : 408-553-2412 | |5301 Stevens Creek Blvd.,|E-Mail: ron_well...@agilent.com| |Mailstop 54L-BB |WWW : http://www.agilent.com | |Santa Clara, California 95052 USA| | +=+ -Original Message- From: Jim Eichner [mailto:jim.eich...@xantrex.com] Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 10:40 AM To: 'EMC-PSTC - forum' Subject: Nema 5-15R sockets A couple of questions about our standard North American 120Vac socket: 1. Orientation: We have lots of people in the office here on both sides of this one, and I can't find a normative reference in the CEC or the NEC. Which is the correct way up when installing a socket on a wall - ground pin above the L and N blades, or L and N above the ground? What is the code reference for this requirement, or is there none? 2. Dimensions: Can anybody share the spec's for the dimensions, with tolerances, of the line, neutral, and ground blades for this configuration? I'm sure it's in the UL and CSA standards but I don't want to spend hundreds of $ for a one-time question. We have no on-going need for these standards! Thanks in advance for your help, Regards, Jim Eichner, P.Eng. Manager, Engineering Services Xantrex Technology Inc. Mobile Power web: www.xantrex.com http://www.xantrex.com Any opinions expressed are accidental. I have none. Confidentiality Notice: This email message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
RE: Japan mains voltage
Hello Eric, Some companies have environmental test programs that subject their products to all types of power line conditions that are not covered in regulatory requirements. As far as line voltage tolerance testing, this depends on the specifications you publish externally for your products. However, what tolerance you test to internally may be greater than what you publish with a product specification. It just so happens, when I was with the old Hewlett-Packard, we usually tested to +/- 12% for test and measurement products when the published tolerance was +/- 10%. However, these products were intended for light industrial and laboratory environments. Finally, to the best of my knowledge, I haven't heard of Japanese line voltages dropping below 90 Vac. Regards, +=+ |Ronald R. Wellman|Voice : 408-345-8229 | |Agilent Technologies |FAX : 408-553-2412 | |5301 Stevens Creek Blvd.,|E-Mail: ron_well...@agilent.com| |Mailstop 54L-BB |WWW : http://www.agilent.com | |Santa Clara, California 95052 USA| | +=+ -Original Message- From: Van Compernolle, Eric [mailto:eric.vancomperno...@barco.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 8:22 AM To: 'emc-p...@ieee.org ' Subject: Japan mains voltage Hello, As you probably know the mains voltage for Japan is 100V. For safety we are testing up to - 10%: 90 V. However for some situations in Japan , it seems you can even expect 85 V. So we are planning to define a general rule that a product for Japan must handle 85 V. Is this low voltage rule known or common use in your company? best regards, Van Compernolle Eric Reliability Manager Barco Projection Systems Noordlaan 5 8520 Kuurne Phone:+32 56 368 373 Fax:+32 56 368 355 mailto:eric.vancomperno...@barco.com http://www.barco.com --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
RE: Hypot Testing Question
Ages ago I had a product that had a couple of socketed relays in the primary. What we did was create special shorted relays that were used in place of the regular relays during hipot. You may consider doing this if your relays are socketed. Regards, +=+ |Ronald R. Wellman|Voice : 408-345-8229 | |Agilent Technologies |FAX : 408-553-2412 | |5301 Stevens Creek Blvd.,|E-Mail: ron_well...@agilent.com| |Mailstop 54L-BB |WWW : http://www.agilent.com | |Santa Clara, California 95052 USA| | +=+ -Original Message- From: sbr...@prodigy.net [mailto:sbr...@prodigy.net] Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 8:20 PM To: EMC/Safety List Server Subject: Hypot Testing Question I have some products which fall under UL61010A-1 and have several relays and contactors in the primary circuits. During the hypot test it is my understanding that all relays and contactors in primary need to be in the on state to allow the test voltage to fully circulate within the primary circuit, thereby allowing a valid hypot test. It is taking a good deal of time to properly set the unit up to do the test, and then remove all of the jumpers before the unit ships. Does anyone have any ideas, recommendations or suggestions on ways to speed the process? Some units may have upwards of 7 contactors and relays. I am also looking for some way to combine the hypot test with a shorts test to verify that there are no shorts due to wiring errors from line to line (single and three phase products). Again, any suggestions or recommendations are welcome. Thanks in advance, Steve Brody sbr...@prodigy.net --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
RE: UL 61010A-1
Martin, I hope that UL has not referenced EN 61010 in their version of IEC 61010:2000. This would deviate from UL's adoption of international standards. BTW, with the publication of the UL 61010A series of standards it appears that UL 3101-1 and UL 3111-1 may eventually be superceded. I suggest that you call UL Engineering Services directly to get details on the transitions from the old to new standards. Regards, +=+ |Ronald R. Wellman|Voice : 408-345-8229 | |Agilent Technologies |FAX : 408-553-2412 | |5301 Stevens Creek Blvd.,|E-Mail: ron_well...@agilent.com| |Mailstop 54L-BB |WWW : http://www.agilent.com | |Santa Clara, California 95052 USA| | +=+ -Original Message- From: marti...@appliedbiosystems.com [mailto:marti...@appliedbiosystems.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 4:19 PM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: UL 61010A-1 Greetings, I recently heard that UL released UL 61010A-1 which is their version of EN 61010-1. It is my understanding that this standard will replace UL 3101-1. Does anyone know if the UL version is identical to EN 61010-1: 2001? What is the status for the withdrawal of UL 3101-1? All responses are appreciated. Regards Joe Martin EMC/Product Safety Engineer Applied Biosystems marti...@appliedbiosystems.com --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
RE: EN 61010-1 2001 and IEC61010-3
Hello Andrew, To the best of my knowledge, IEC 61010-1:2001 is not intended to be the base standard for previously existing 61010 part 2's or 3's. The second edition of IEC 61010-1 stands alone until the various parts 2 and 3 are updated and reference the second edition. In my opinion, you are better off in continuing to use the first edition of IEC 61010-1 until the appropriate part 2's and 3's you use are updated to the second edition and the first amendment to the second edition is published. Regards, +=+ |Ronald R. Wellman|Voice : 408-345-8229 | |Agilent Technologies |FAX : 408-553-2412 | |5301 Stevens Creek Blvd.,|E-Mail: ron_well...@agilent.com| |Mailstop 54L-BB |WWW : http://www.agilent.com | |Santa Clara, California 95052 USA| | +=+ | Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age | | eighteen. - Albert Einstein | +=+ -Original Message- From: Andrew Wood [mailto:andrew.w...@landinst.com] Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 2:20 AM To: 'emc-pstc' Subject: EN 61010-1 2001 and IEC61010-3 All I have a question regarding interpretation of section 6.10.2 Fitting of non-detachable MAINS supply cords in EN 61010-1:2001. Cord anchorages shall meet the following requirements a)...d) e) A compression bushing shall not be used as a cord anchorage unless it has provision for clamping all types and sizes of MAINS supply cords which meet the requirements of 6.10.1 and are suitable for connection to the TERMINALS provided, or the bushing has been designed to terminate a screened MAINS supply cord. f)... I would interpet this as follows: If the bush has been designed to accept a screened cable then it is ok for the bush to accept only a specific cable type which should be specified. Otherwise the bush must be capable of accepting any mains cable which has the neccessary voltage/current rating and will be suitable for the terminals provided. However in IEC61010-3-1 first edition 1997-07 conformity verification report for IEC 61010-1 there is a quite different interpretation. This document is basically a sample test report sheet for IEC61010-1. It is based on earlier versions of 61010-1 with ammendments 1 and 2 added. Here we have: 6.10.2.2 cord anchorages compression bushing: a) clamps all types and sizes of mains cords and b) is suitable: 1) for connection to TERMINALS provided or 2) it is designed for screened mains cord. I know that this document refers to an earlier version of 61010. However 1997 edition is still the only one listed on IEC website. I do not currently have access to an earlier version of 61010-1 to look at, but the interpretation above seems so anti- common sense that I am doubtful that it was faithful to the earlier version of the standard. So bottom line is: is my understanding of the current requirements of EN61010-1 6.10.2 correct? Secondly and out of curiosity does anyone know why IEC61010-1-3 1997 seems to contradict this? Thank in advance Andy. Andrew Wood Land Instruments International England. This e-mail and its contents may be confidential, privileged and protected by law. Access is only authorised by the intended recipient. The contents of this e-mail may not be disclosed to, or used by, anyone other than the intended recipient, or stored or copied in any medium. If you are not the intended recipient, please advise the sender immediately. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com
RE: NEC Question
Hello Steve, The NEC doesn't list products. Nationally Recognized Testing Laboratories (NRTLs) do, under OSHA regulations. However, it is not a requirement for a manufacturer to get products listed. The burden of having products listed by an NRTL, like UL, falls on the purchaser of the product if the product is used in a workplace which is subject to OSHA regulations. Most non-IT product manufacturers do not get their products listed unless a Customer specifically requires it. In some cases, a product may get listed because it is expected that a product will be marketed in a known jurisdiction that requires listed products by an NRTL. The State of Oregon and the City of Los Angeles are a couple examples. Regards, +=+ |Ronald R. Wellman|Voice : 408-345-8229 | |Agilent Technologies |FAX : 408-553-2412 | |5301 Stevens Creek Blvd.,|E-Mail: ron_well...@agilent.com| |Mailstop 54L-BB |WWW : http://www.agilent.com | |Santa Clara, California 95052 USA| | +=+ | Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age | | eighteen. - Albert Einstein | +=+ -Original Message- From: sbr...@prodigy.net [mailto:sbr...@prodigy.net] Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 7:57 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: NEC Question Colleagues: The question was asked if all products sold in the US, specifically industrial products, that plugged into the mains had to be UL Listed. The answer was that not necessarily UL Listed, but according to the NEC they did have to be listed, labeled, certified, classified, etc., by a 3rd party. The answer went on to say that this was only applicable if the locality in which the product were to be used, and their AHJ, adhered to the NEC and that not all areas of the country adopted and adhered to the NEC. 1. Do you agree with the above responses? 2. How long has the NEC required products to be listed, labeled, certified, classified, etc.? Your comments and feedback would be appreciated. Thanks in advance, Steve Brody sbr...@prodigy.net --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
RE: Japan
Check out the following URL: http://www3.jetro.go.jp/se/j/jousa/kikaku/jpbook/index.html Regards, +=+ |Ronald R. Wellman|Voice : 408-345-8229 | |Agilent Technologies |FAX : 408-553-2412 | |5301 Stevens Creek Blvd.,|E-Mail: ron_well...@agilent.com| |Mailstop 54L-BB |WWW : http://www.agilent.com | |Santa Clara, California 95052 USA| | +=+ | Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age | | eighteen. - Albert Einstein | +=+ -Original Message- From: Kim Boll Jensen [mailto:kimb...@post7.tele.dk] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 12:56 PM To: EMC-PSTC Subject: Japan Hi Does any one have the DENAN list of electrical equipment which is under the approval scheme in Japan. And also information to which standards equipment have to be tested Best regards, Kim Boll Jensen Bolls Raadgivning --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
RE: Product Safety: A Matter of Law or Litigation?
Don't forget the Product Liability Directive 85/374/EEC. Regards, +=+ |Ronald R. Wellman|Voice : 408-345-8229 | |Agilent Technologies |FAX : 408-345-8630 | |5301 Stevens Creek Blvd.,|E-Mail: ron_well...@agilent.com| |Mailstop 54L-SQ |WWW : http://www.agilent.com | |Santa Clara, California 95052 USA| | +=+ | Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age | | eighteen. - Albert Einstein | +=+ -Original Message- From: miksher...@aol.com [mailto:miksher...@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 7:31 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Re: Product Safety: A Matter of Law or Litigation? Folks -- I've seen a lot of assertions in this email chain, some of which I'd like to challenge on a factual basis. Note that I am not disagreeing with what a prudent business decision might be, but am rather challenging the assertions of what the laws state. 1. The General Product Safety Directive contains language right up front describing it as applying to consumer as opposed to other (commercial or industrial, I believe) products. It seems to me that this directive, then, does not apply by default, as asserted by some, if your product is for commercial or industrial use only. 2. I believe that it's very clear that the Low Voltage Directive does not require use of EN standards. 3. I believe that the concept of strict liability i.e., that one only has to prove that a product is defective, as opposed to proving negligence, is well-established in the USA. Mike Sherman FSI International --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall, --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall,
RE: Product Safety: A Matter of Law or Litigation?
Doug, When the LVD does not apply, the General Product Safety Directive (GPSD) does. Using EN 60950 to meet the requirements of the GPSD makes sense if your product falls under the scope of EN 60950. Regards, +=+ |Ronald R. Wellman|Voice : 408-345-8229 | |Agilent Technologies |FAX : 408-345-8630 | |5301 Stevens Creek Blvd.,|E-Mail: ron_well...@agilent.com| |Mailstop 54L-SQ |WWW : http://www.agilent.com | |Santa Clara, California 95052 USA| | +=+ | Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age | | eighteen. - Albert Einstein | +=+ -Original Message- From: Massey, Doug C. [mailto:masse...@ems-t.com] Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 10:25 AM To: 'IEEE Forum' Subject: RE: Product Safety: A Matter of Law or Litigation? Alex, Thanks for your reply, and I agree. However, I don't need convincing. Here's the rub - EN60950 is a harmonized standard under the LVD. If the LVD does not apply to the product, then how can I argue that EN60950 applies to the product? Doug -Original Message- From: Alex McNeil [mailto:alex.mcn...@ingenicofortronic.com] Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 12:14 PM To: 'Massey, Doug C.' Cc: 'IEEE Forum' Subject: RE: Product Safety: A Matter of Law or Litigation? Doug, As a general rule you should always have your products Safety Approved. This is showing Due Dilligence in that you have had the product safety evaluated. The latest EN60950:2000 covers ...mains powered or battery-powered ITE with a Rated Voltage not exceeding 600V i.e. there is no lower voltage limit! I hope this helps? Regards ALEX -Original Message- From: Massey, Doug C. [mailto:masse...@ems-t.com] Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 1:47 PM To: 'IEEE Forum' Subject:Product Safety: A Matter of Law or Litigation? Colleagues: I have been tasked with justifying the need for independent, third party evaluations of the safety of our company's products to applicable standards. Our company manufactures various ITE equipment, either handheld, battery powered devices, or ITE devices powered by vehicle batteries. In particular, the scope of the LVD states that it is applicable to devices rated 50-1000Vac or 75-1500Vdc; most of our products are below 75Vdc. We market these products in 35 countries; North America, the EU/EFTA, and others - in fact, pretty much all of the countries participating in the CB Scheme. In the US, OSHA regs justify this requirement, as our equipment is sold through direct channels solely for logistics applications - in other words, US workers will be using the equipment - it's not for general consumer use. TITLE 29--LABOR PART 1910--OCCUPATIONAL SAFETY AND HEALTH STANDARDS--Table of Contents Subpart S--Electrical Sec. 1910.399 Definitions applicable to this subpart. Acceptable. An installation or equipment is acceptable to the Assistant Secretary of Labor, and approved within the meaning of this Subpart S: (i) If it is accepted, or certified, or listed, or labeled, or otherwise determined to be safe by a nationally recognized testing laboratory; or (ii) With respect to an installation or equipment of a kind which no nationally recognized testing laboratory accepts, certifies, lists, labels, or determines to be safe, if it is inspected or tested by another Federal agency, or by a State, municipal, or other local authority responsible for enforcing occupational safety provisions of the National Electrical Code and found in compliance with the provisions of the National Electrical Code as applied in this subpart; or ... In the EU/EFTA, the justification is not so easy. As I mentioned earlier, the products are exempt from the LVD. The General Product Safety Directive, and the Product Liability Directive, do not give me an easy justification, such as in the case of the OSHA regs stated in US Federal Code. My company has always had all products evaluated to the -950 standards, but has observed that other manufacturers of similar equipment do not have their products evaluated to applicable safety standards, and CE mark their products based on compliance to the EMC Directive, but not to the LVD. I would greatly appreciate your insights, opinions, and assistance with this question. Doug Massey Safety Approvals Engineer LXE, Inc. Norcross, GA., USA Ph. (770) 447-4224 x3607 FAX (770) 447-6928 e-mail: masse...@lxe.com Cruise our website at: http:\\www.lxe.com --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to:
RE: AC connectors and Line Cords
Hello Chris, I would try Volex or Feller to see if they can help you out. Regards, +=+ |Ronald R. Wellman|Voice : 408-345-8229 | |Agilent Technologies |FAX : 408-345-8630 | |5301 Stevens Creek Blvd.,|E-Mail: ron_well...@agilent.com| |Mailstop 54L-SQ |WWW : http://www.agilent.com | |Santa Clara, California 95052 USA| | +=+ | Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age | | eighteen. - Albert Einstein | +=+ -Original Message- From: Chris Maxwell [mailto:chris.maxw...@nettest.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 8:12 AM To: 'EMC-PSTC Internet Forum' Subject: AC connectors and Line Cords Hi all, (I'm resending this posting, because the first one had trouble getting through. If you receive two copies, I apologize in advance.) I'm looking at what I call low profile IEC 320 AC connectors. Specifically, I'm looking at three pin versions which are based upon IEC 320 C5 (the connector on the cable) and IEC 320 C6 (the chassis inlet connector). We currently use standard three pin IEC 320 AC inlets on our products, and we stock the mating cables with various flavors of wall connectors (US, Euro, UK, Italian, Australian ...). We went through quite a bit of effort a few years back to identify and specify all of the different power cables that we anticipated needing and making sure that they had the correct safety approvals, wire type, color, length ... It was a pain, but we're now dumb, fat and happy when it comes to this, we can usually supply a customer with whatever line cord they need. What's my question? Well, if we move to these low profile AC power inlets on our product; what will happen to our availability of mating line cords? I have tested the waters with some of our line cord manufacturers with no luck. Does anybody have an idea of how available line cords are with the IEC 320 C5 connector? Better yet, does anybody know a manufacturer that makes international cordsets (especially US, Euro, UK, Italian and Australian) with these connnectors on them? As always, thank you in advance for any leads. NOTE THE NEW EMAIL ADDRESS! Chris Maxwell Design Engineer NetTest 6 Rhoads Drive, Building 4 Utica,NY 13502 email: chris.maxw...@nettest.com phone: 315-266-5128 fax: 315-797-8024 --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall, --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall,
RE: US Mains Plug/Earthing
Hello Enci, I would ship the product with the USA plug cap intact. If the Customer wants to cut off the ground pin, then that's their decision. Chances are they will void any product warranty if they use the product not as intended. You can't take every corner case and expect to please all your Customers. If you have informed your Customer of the consequences of using your product without a ground, that's all you need to do. Regards, +=+ |Ronald R. Wellman|Voice : 408-345-8229 | |Agilent Technologies |FAX : 408-345-8630 | |5301 Stevens Creek Blvd.,|E-Mail: ron_well...@agilent.com| |Mailstop 54L-SQ |WWW : http://www.agilent.com | |Santa Clara, California 95052 USA| | +=+ | Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age | | eighteen. - Albert Einstein | +=+ -Original Message- From: Enci [mailto:e...@cinepower.com] Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 12:03 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Re: US Mains Plug/Earthing Thank you for all your comments. Do EU manufacturers have to fit a suitable mains plug to appliances when exporting to USA?... or can it be supplied without a plug, putting the requirement on the user to follow the instructions - in my case, stating that a grounding plug must be used ? Thank you. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall, --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall,
RE: EN61010-1 harmonized documents
Don't forget GB 4793.1 for the People's Republic of China. Regards, +=+ |Ronald R. Wellman|Voice : 408-345-8229 | |Agilent Technologies |FAX : 408-345-8630 | |5301 Stevens Creek Blvd.,|E-Mail: ron_well...@agilent.com| |Mailstop 54L-SQ |WWW : http://www.agilent.com | |Santa Clara, California 95052 USA| | +=+ | Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age | | eighteen. - Albert Einstein | +=+ -Original Message- From: richard.pa...@exgate.tek.com [mailto:richard.pa...@exgate.tek.com] Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 12:30 PM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: RE: EN61010-1 harmonized documents Good day All: Without going into detail on National Deviations and being up-to-date with the latest amendments .. The following safety standards are harmonized with IEC61010-1 : EN61010-1; ANSI/ISA S82.02.01; CAN/CSA C22.2 No 1010.1; UL3111-1 (for Test and Measuring Equipment); UL3101 (for Process Control Equipment) Hope that helps. Richard Payne Tektronix, Inc. Product Safety Engineering Ph: (503) 627-1820 Fax: (503) 627-3838 email: richard.pa...@tektronix.com -Original Message- From: Terry Meck [mailto:tjm...@accusort.com] Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 12:07 PM To: paul_oshaughne...@affymetrix.com; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org; wo...@sensormatic.com Subject: RE: EN61010-1 scope Hi All: As long as your on this discussion I would like to know if this has been harmonized to the degree that IEC 950 has? I suspect the answer is no. Thanks! Terry O'Shaughnessy, Paul paul_oshaughne...@affymetrix.com 04/05/01 01:57PM The opening paragraph of the Scope of 1010-1 states it covers electrical equipment intended for professional, industrial process, and educational use, including equipment and computing devices for * measurement and test; * control; * laboratory use; * accessories intended for use with the above (eg. sample handling equipment) The basic intent here is industrial. 950 covers ITE, which I believe emphasizes home or office computing, printing, etc., equipment. Other opinions? I think that's the simple answer. Paul O'Shaughnessy Affymetrix, Inc. -Original Message- From: wo...@sensormatic.com [mailto:wo...@sensormatic.com] Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 11:30 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: EN61010-1 scope I am trying to determine if a particular device should be safety certified under EN 60950 or EN 61010-1. It would be appreciated if someone would provide me with the scope of EN 61010-1. Thanks. Richard Woods --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall, --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall, --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher:
RE: EN61010-1 scope
Hello Terry, What do you mean by harmonized to the degree of IEC 60950? EN 61010-1 is a European harmonized standard that falls under the scope of the Low Voltage Directive just like EN 60950. Regards, +=+ |Ronald R. Wellman|Voice : 408-345-8229 | |Agilent Technologies |FAX : 408-345-8630 | |5301 Stevens Creek Blvd.,|E-Mail: ron_well...@agilent.com| |Mailstop 54L-SQ |WWW : http://www.agilent.com | |Santa Clara, California 95052 USA| | +=+ | Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age | | eighteen. - Albert Einstein | +=+ -Original Message- From: Terry Meck [mailto:tjm...@accusort.com] Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 12:07 PM To: paul_oshaughne...@affymetrix.com; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org; wo...@sensormatic.com Subject: RE: EN61010-1 scope Hi All: As long as your on this discussion I would like to know if this has been harmonized to the degree that IEC 950 has? I suspect the answer is no. Thanks! Terry O'Shaughnessy, Paul paul_oshaughne...@affymetrix.com 04/05/01 01:57PM The opening paragraph of the Scope of 1010-1 states it covers electrical equipment intended for professional, industrial process, and educational use, including equipment and computing devices for * measurement and test; * control; * laboratory use; * accessories intended for use with the above (eg. sample handling equipment) The basic intent here is industrial. 950 covers ITE, which I believe emphasizes home or office computing, printing, etc., equipment. Other opinions? I think that's the simple answer. Paul O'Shaughnessy Affymetrix, Inc. -Original Message- From: wo...@sensormatic.com [mailto:wo...@sensormatic.com] Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 11:30 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: EN61010-1 scope I am trying to determine if a particular device should be safety certified under EN 60950 or EN 61010-1. It would be appreciated if someone would provide me with the scope of EN 61010-1. Thanks. Richard Woods --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall, --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall, --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall, --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org
RE: Correction - When is an LED evaluated to IEC 825, like a Las er?
Hello Kathy, I assume that you are designing products to IEC 60950. However, which edition? There is a big difference between the 2nd and 3rd editions when it comes to LEDs. IEC 60950 3rd edition does not specify LEDs having to be compliant with IEC 60825-1, only lasers (see clause 4.3.13 and Annex H). Regards, +=+ |Ronald R. Wellman|Voice : 408-345-8229 | |Agilent Technologies |FAX : 408-345-8630 | |5301 Stevens Creek Blvd.,|E-Mail: ron_well...@agilent.com| |Mailstop 54L-SQ |WWW : http://www.agilent.com | |Santa Clara, California 95052 USA| | +=+ | Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age | | eighteen. - Albert Einstein | +=+ -Original Message- From: Kathy Toy [mailto:kathy@eng.sun.com] Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 11:05 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Correction - When is an LED evaluated to IEC 825, like a Laser? (I restated the question.) Our design engineers are using LED more often and have been asked if the LED are approved by IEC 825. Question: When does an LED need to be evaluated to IEC 825 standard? Are there any other industry limits for specific LEDs? It seems that in the past LEDs were basicly ignored except for color issues. What is the current thought or rule on this issue? Thanks in advance, kt --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
RE: Power Line Voltages
Electric Current Abroad is still available. The last issue I saw was 1998. You can order a copy from the following web site: http://www.claitors.com/prf/catelog/003-009-00673-2.html Regards, +=+ |Ronald R. Wellman|Voice : 408-345-8229 | |Agilent Technologies |FAX : 408-345-8630 | |5301 Stevens Creek Blvd.,|E-Mail: ron_well...@agilent.com| |Mailstop 54L-SQ |WWW : http://www.agilent.com | |Santa Clara, California 95052 USA| | +=+ | Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age | | eighteen. - Albert Einstein | +=+ -Original Message- From: Flinders, Randall [mailto:randall.flind...@emulex.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 5:00 PM To: emc-pstc Subject: Power Line Voltages Greetings group! I am looking for a resource, preferrably but not neccessarily on the web, were I can get all of the power line voltages and frequencies for every country. This includes Europe, The Pac Rim, Autralia, Africa, Middle East, etc Can anyone direct me to this information? Any help would be greatly appreciated! Regards, Randy Flinders EMC Engineer Emulex Corp. r.flind...@ieee.org --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
RE: CEI 255
I believe it is an Italian standard. Regards, +=+ |Ronald R. Wellman|Voice : 408-345-8229 | |Agilent Technologies |FAX : 408-345-8630 | |5301 Stevens Creek Blvd.,|E-Mail: ron_well...@agilent.com| |Mailstop 54L-SQ |WWW : http://www.agilent.com | |Santa Clara, California 95052 USA| | +=+ | Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age | | eighteen. - Albert Einstein | +=+ -Original Message- From: wo...@sensormatic.com [mailto:wo...@sensormatic.com] Sent: Friday, September 29, 2000 11:08 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: RE: CEI 255 CEI is the French designation for IEC. There is the IEC 60255 series for testing relays. The 60 prefix has been added to a lot of the IEC standards, so IEC/CEI 255 was the old number. Check out the IEC website at http://www.iec.ch/webstore/ http://www.iec.ch/webstore/ Richard Woods -- From: Maxwell, Chris [SMTP:chr...@gnlp.com] Sent: Friday, September 29, 2000 1:37 PM To: 'EMC-PSTC Internet Forum' Subject: CEI 255 Guys, (ladies too) We have a customer specification in spanish which refers to CEI 255-4 and CEI 255-5. I am assuming that these are IEC specifications. As a matter of fact, the text reads (forgive my Spanish spelling) CONDICIONES ELECTROMAGNETICAS (I think I can figure this line out :-) Toda las bornas y conectores dberan ser capaces de superar las siguientes condiciones sin midificar su rendimiento de trabajo. 4.1 Aislamiento: 2KV/50hz/1m. segun norma CEI 255-5 4.2 Pertubaciones Impulso de tension 5KV segun norma CEI 255-5 Interferencias de A.F. 2.5KV en modo longitudinal Interferencia de A.F. 1KV en modo transversal, segun norma CEI 255-4; apartado E. Anybody want to fathom a guess at this? My catalog of standards does not include either a CEI 255 or an IEC 255. Gracias Chris Maxwell a.k.a. Speedy Gonzales, Designo Engineero GN Nettest Optical Division 6 Rhoads Drive, Building 4 Utica, NY 13502 PH: 315-797-4449 FAX: 315-797-8024 EMAIL: chr...@gnlp.com --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
RE: PDF file copy method
Interesting comment Chris. The Acrobat Reader has its limitations depending on how the PDF document was created. Being that we do not know the way the PDF document Barry is talking about was created, you can make all the interpretations you want. Maybe Barry should send you a copy of the document to the list so the self-proclaimed Acrobat experts can help him out. Regards, +=+ |Ronald R. Wellman|Voice : 408-345-8229 | |Agilent Technologies |FAX : 408-345-8630 | |5301 Stevens Creek Blvd.,|E-Mail: ron_well...@agilent.com| |Mailstop 54L-SQ |WWW : http://www.agilent.com | |Santa Clara, California 95052 USA| | +=+ | Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age | | eighteen. - Albert Einstein | +=+ -Original Message- From: James, Chris [mailto:c...@dolby.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2000 1:38 AM To: 'ron_well...@agilent.com'; barry...@altavista.com; emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: PDF file copy method Incorrect! - from ANY version reader you can copy text or graphics unless it is protected. Yes, to modify a pdf you need Acrobat Exchange. Chris -Original Message- From: ron_well...@agilent.com [mailto:ron_well...@agilent.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2000 4:42 AM To: barry...@altavista.com; emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: PDF file copy method Barry, You need to get a full copy of Adobe Acrobat, not the Reader. Depending on whether the original PDF document is password protected, you should be able to a do page capture and make the text selectable. Then you can copy it into the word processor of choice. Regards, +=+ |Ronald R. Wellman|Voice : 408-345-8229 | |Agilent Technologies |FAX : 408-345-8630 | |5301 Stevens Creek Blvd.,|E-Mail: ron_well...@agilent.com| |Mailstop 54L-SQ |WWW : http://www.agilent.com | |Santa Clara, California 95052 USA| | +=+ | Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age | | eighteen. - Albert Einstein | +=+ -Original Message- From: Barry Ma [mailto:barry...@altavista.com] Sent: Monday, July 17, 2000 2:00 PM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: PDF file copy method Hi, When reading an EMC article in PDF file, I sometimes want to copy a couple of sentences or paragraph to my MS WORD document. Most of times I failed. But a few times I could do it. I don't know why. Do you have the same experience? ___ $1 million in prizes! 20 daily instant winners. AltaVista Rewards: Click here to win! http://shopping.altavista.com/e.sdc?e=3 ___ --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to:
RE: CE Markings for A.C. Mains
Hello Joe, What is the reference for the markings? Depending on the standard used for a mains plug you may be required to mark the terminals L and/or N on the plug. However, this usually applies to rewireable mains plugs and not molded ones. Regards, +=+ |Ronald R. Wellman|Voice : 408-345-8229 | |Agilent Technologies |FAX : 408-345-8630 | |5301 Stevens Creek Blvd.,|E-Mail: ron_well...@agilent.com| |Mailstop 51L-SQ |WWW : http://www.agilent.com | |Santa Clara, California 95052 USA| | +=+ | Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age | | eighteen. - Albert Einstein | +=+ -Original Message- From: bur...@andovercontrols.com [mailto:bur...@andovercontrols.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2000 8:31 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: CE Markings for A.C. Mains Hi Group, Does anyone know the clause or statement that identifies L for Line voltage and N for Neutral A.C. mains marking in the LVD or any EU standard published? I need to provide proof for our engineering team. Thank you in advance for your help. Joe Josiah P.Burch Compliance Engineer II Andover Controls Corporation 300 Brickstone Square Andover,MA 01810 (978)-470-0555 x335 (978)-470-3615 FAX --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
RE: China Packaging/Crating Requirements
Joe, There are different requirements depending on whether you export to or import from China. There is a January 1, 2000, requirement for all solid wood packaging materials made from softwoods (conifer) that are shipped from the US and Japan into China to be heat treated. Hard woods, plastic, corrugated, honeycomb, metal pallets and crate packaging are exempt. Regards, +=+ |Ronald R. Wellman|Voice : 408-345-8229 | |Agilent Technologies |FAX : 408-345-8630 | |5301 Stevens Creek Blvd.,|E-Mail: ron_well...@agilent.com| |Mailstop 51L-SQ |WWW : http://www.agilent.com | |Santa Clara, California 95052 USA| | +=+ | Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age | | eighteen. - Albert Einstein | +=+ -Original Message- From: marti...@pebio.com [mailto:marti...@pebio.com] Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2000 7:20 PM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: FW: China Packaging/Crating Requirements Is anyone aware of any requirements in China on wood packaging/ crating materials or special wood treatments required for crates or pallets? All responses are appreciated. Regards Joe Martin EMC/Product Safety Engineer marti...@pebio.com - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
RE: Re: Taiwan
Brian, BSMI EMC regulations do not apply to Chemical Analysis Equipment. Check out the following URL: http://www.bsmi.gov.tw/english/emc/e_emc_10.htm There are no 9027 codes listed. Regards, +=+ |Ronald R. Wellman|Voice : 408-345-8229 | |Agilent Technologies |FAX : 408-345-8630 | |5301 Stevens Creek Blvd.,|E-Mail: ron_well...@agilent.com| |Mailstop 51L-SQ |WWW : http://www.agilent.com | |Santa Clara, California 95052 USA| | +=+ | Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age | | eighteen. - Albert Einstein | +=+ -Original Message- From: teck...@apcc.com [mailto:teck...@apcc.com] Sent: Friday, January 14, 2000 6:12 AM To: bharl...@vgscientific.com Cc: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: FW: Re: Taiwan BSMI approval for Taiwan is not as bad as it seems. The easiest way to obtain BSMI approval is to work with a laboratory on the BSMI list posted at: http://www.bsmi.gov.tw/english/emc/e_emc_09.htm These labs can perform the EMC testing and take care of the paperwork. The laboratories outside of Taiwan will work with one of the BSMI approved labs in Taiwan to complete the process. You will end up with very little paperwork to worry about. I have done some work with Integrity Design Test Services. They perform the testing and fill out most of the paperwork. Integrity then works with Advanced Data Technology in Taiwan to complete the process. The extra expense is not significant and it saves considerable time and trouble. Most of the BMSI accredited labs outside of Taiwan are in the United States, but there are at least three in Europe. Ted Eckert Regulatory Compliance Engineer American Power Conversion Corporation teck...@apcc.com The items contained in this e-mail reflect the personal opinions of the writer and are only provided for the assistance of the reader. The writer is not speaking in an official capacity for APC nor representing APCs official position on any matter. Please respond to Brian Harlowe bharl...@vgscientific.com To: emc-p...@ieee.org cc:(bcc: Ted Eckert/SDD/NAM/APCC) From: Brian Harlowe bharl...@vgscientific.com on 01/14/2000 06:31 AM Subject: Taiwan - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
RE: RE: internet information
Laura, The gauge you listed is 0.75 sq-mm which is suitable up to 6 amperes according to IEC 60335-1. Also, check EN 60799 for more information on cord sets. BTW. Who is your cord set supplier? Regards, +=+ |Ronald R. Wellman|Voice : 408-345-8229 | |Agilent Technologies |FAX : 408-345-8630 | |5301 Stevens Creek Blvd.,|E-Mail: ron_well...@agilent.com| |Mailstop 51L-SQ |WWW : http://www.agilent.com | |Santa Clara, California 95052 USA| | +=+ | Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age | | eighteen. - Albert Einstein | +=+ -Original Message- From: Non-HP-LNewton /HP-PaloAlto,mimegw3/dd.HPMEXT1=lnew...@hach.com Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 1999 11:55 AM To: Non-HP-Chris.Colgan /HP-PaloAlto,mimegw3/dd.HPMEXT1=chris.col...@tagmclarenaudio.com; Non-HP-LNewton /HP-PaloAlto,mimegw3/dd.HPMEXT1=lnew...@hach.com; Non-HP-emc-pstc /HP-PaloAlto,mimegw3/dd.HPMEXT1=emc-p...@ieee.org Cc: Non-HP-LNewton /HP-PaloAlto,mimegw3/dd.HPMEXT1=lnew...@hach.com Subject: RE: internet information We are trying to determine the proper fusing for the UK power cord. The products we will be using the cord set on will never exceed 3amps in normal operating conditions. For the power cord set the Manufacturer has provided us with the following information: BSI/ASTA Approved British Male to International Female, HO3VVF3G0.75 Unshielded, Length: 8', Color: Black. The Manufacturer has asked us to specify a fuse of either 5A or 10A, with the information above how can we determine on whether a 5A or a 10A fuse should be used being that the gauge was not listed? Thanks a lot for the previous help and also thanks in advance for any help you can give me, -Laura -Original Message- From: Colgan, Chris [mailto:chris.col...@tagmclarenaudio.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 1999 2:42 AM To: 'Laura Leyba-Newton'; 'emc-p...@ieee.org' Subject: RE: internet information Laura Re. the power cord. SI No.1768 requires UK consumer products to be fitted with a plug conforming to BS1363. Both BS1363 and SI 1768 require the plug to be fused. The fuse value is determined by the cross sectional area of the power cord conductors. I doubt that you could find an unfused UK power cord set anyway. Hope this helps Chris Colgan EMC Safety TAG McLaren Audio Ltd mailto:chris.col...@tagmclarenaudio.com -Original Message- From: Laura Leyba-Newton [SMTP:lnew...@hach.com] Sent: 16 November 1999 18:36 To: 'emc-p...@ieee.org' Subject: internet information Could someone please tell me where previous EMC and safety discussions are posted on the internet. Also I am interested to know if a detachable UK power Cord is required to be fused. Products using this line cord have integral fuses in both AC lines. You help would be greatly appreciated. -Laura - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). = Authorised on 11/17/99 at 09:42:16; code 37f48bf3F2F6C214. The contents of this E-mail are confidential and for the exclusive use of the intended recipient. If you receive this E-mail in error, please delete it from your system immediately and notify us either by E-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the E-mail. TAG McLaren Audio Ltd, The Summit, 11 Latham Road Huntingdon, Cambs, PE18 6ZU Telephone : 01480 415600 (+44 1480 415600) Facsimile : 01480 52159 (+44 1480 52159) - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
RE: internet info
Laura, For UK power cord sets, BS 1363 and 1362 are the two standards you want to look at for plugs and fusing, respectively. You have to fuse the plug regardless if your product is double fused. Regards, Ron Wellman ron_well...@agilent.com -Original Message- From: Non-HP-LNewton /HP-PaloAlto,mimegw3/dd.HPMEXT1=lnew...@hach.com Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 1999 12:30 PM To: Non-HP-emc-pstc /HP-PaloAlto,mimegw3/dd.HPMEXT1=emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Cc: Non-HP-LNewton /HP-PaloAlto,mimegw3/dd.HPMEXT1=lnew...@hach.com Subject: internet info Could someone please tell me where previous EMC and safety discussions are posted on the internet. Also I am interested to know if a detachable UK power Cord is required to be fused. Products using this line cord have integral fuses in both AC lines. You help would be greatly appreciated. -Laura - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
RE: IEC 61010-1 2nd Edition
Joe, The 2nd Edition of IEC 61010-1 is brand new. The amendments you speak of were for the 1st Edition. The big question is whether CENELEC will adopt the 2nd Edition without modifications. Regards, +=+ |Ronald R. Wellman|Voice : 408-345-8229 | |Agilent Technologies |FAX : 408-345-8630 | |5301 Stevens Creek Blvd.,|E-Mail: ron_well...@agilent.com| |Mailstop 51L-SQ |WWW : http://www.agilent.com | |Santa Clara, California 95052 USA| | +=+ | Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age | | eighteen. - Albert Einstein | +=+ -Original Message- From: Non-HP-MartinJP /HP-PaloAlto,mimegw3/dd.HPMEXT1=marti...@pebio.com Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 1999 12:58 PM To: Non-HP-emc-pstc /HP-PaloAlto,mimegw3/dd.HPMEXT1=emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Cc: Non-HP-MartinJP /HP-PaloAlto,mimegw3/dd.HPMEXT1=marti...@pebio.com Subject: IEC 61010-1 2nd Edition I recently heard that the second edition of IEC 61010-1 was to be released mid 2000. Does this 2nd edition just combine 61010-1 with it's two amendments, or is there new and exciting sections? All responses are appreciated. Regards Joe Martin EMC/Product Safety Engineer P.E. Biosystems marti...@pebio.com - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
RE: X-Ray testing to FDA requirements
Start here: http://www.access.gpo.gov/nara/cfr/waisidx/21cfrv8.html then go here: http://www.access.gpo.gov/nara/cfr/waisidx/21cfr1020.html Regards, Ron Wellman well...@corp.hp.com -Original Message- From: Non-HP-feej /HP-PaloAlto,shargw3/dd.HPMEXT1=f...@netc.ie Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 1999 5:13 PM To: Non-HP-emc-pstc /HP-PaloAlto,shargw3/dd.HPMEXT1=emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Cc: Non-HP-feej /HP-PaloAlto,shargw3/dd.HPMEXT1=f...@netc.ie Subject: X-Ray testing to FDA requirements Hi all, I have been asked by a client if there are any European test houses that can perform X-ray testing on monitors to FDA requirements. I do not have any more specific details. Anyone able to help? Thanks John Fee NETC f...@netc.ie - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). File: X-Ray testing to FDA requirements.TXT ... Item Subject: WINMAIL.DAT Couldn't convert Microsoft Mail Message Data item to text at a gateway. - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
RE: China Standard for ITE product
Hello George, To speed up CCIB certification under the Import/Export Commodity Inspection Law Safety License System it is recommended to have the line cord plug CCEE certified. However, it is not mandatory. To the best of my knowledge there is no line cord standard for China (PRC), only component standards for the plug, cordage, and connector. Regards, Ron Wellman well...@corp.hp.com -Original Message- From: Non-HP-georgea /HP-PaloAlto,mimegw3/dd.HPMEXT1=geor...@lexmark.com Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 1999 6:12 AM To: Non-HP-emc-pstc /HP-PaloAlto,mimegw3/dd.HPMEXT1=emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Cc: Non-HP-georgea /HP-PaloAlto,mimegw3/dd.HPMEXT1=geor...@lexmark.com Subject: China Standard for ITE product The PRC GB 4943 is virtually equivalent to IEC 60950 (1995 version). The only delta I know of is that tests are to +/-10% rated voltage versus the norm of +6%/-10%. A CB Certificate/Test Report, though not required, is advised for time and cost purposes. The line cord must have CCEE approval and have the Great Wall mark. As of 1/1/00 all listed ITE must also meet EMC EMI requirements based on CISPR 22. This includes previously safety approved products. In summary, the requirements are not that much different from the global 230V community, although the process itself is the most complex I have encountered with many agencies/offices involved (SAIQ, CQC, CCIB, Review Offices, Testing Labs). George Alspaugh Corporate Product Safety Lexmark International Inc. -- Forwarded by George Alspaugh/Lex/Lexmark on 08/11/99 09:01 AM --- kr_1%compuserve@interlock.lexmark.com on 08/11/99 01:43:52 AM Please respond to kr_1%compuserve@interlock.lexmark.com To: sbtan%ctlsg.creaf@interlock.lexmark.com cc: emc-pstc%ieee@interlock.lexmark.com Subject: China Standard for ITE product Jess, I believe it is GB 4943 but it is only based on IEC 60950 and compliance with IEC 60950 does not equate to compliance with GB4943. You may wish to know also that GB 1002 is a Chinese standard for mains power plugs. Best regards, Kevin Hi, Could someone please advise as what is the China standard(GB ???) that is equivalent to IEC950 (for I.T.E. product)? Thanks in advance ! Jess - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). --- Internet Header Sender: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Received: from ruebert.ieee.org (ruebert.ieee.org [199.172.136.3]) by hpamgaad.compuserve.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/HP-1.8) with ESMTP id WAA10932; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 22:51:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ruebert.ieee.org (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) id WAA15761; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 22:41:06 -0400 (EDT) From: sb...@ctlsg.creaf.com X-Lotus-FromDomain: CREATIVE@CREAF To: EMC-PSTC (E-mail) emc-p...@ieee.org Message-ID: 482567ca.000f006b...@ctlsgg01.ctlsg.creaf.com Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 10:43:36 +0800 Subject: China Standard for ITE product Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sb...@ctlsg.creaf.com X-Resent-To: Multiple Recipients emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org X-Listname: emc-pstc X-Info: Help requests to emc-pstc-requ...@majordomo.ieee.org X-Info: [Un]Subscribe requests to majord...@majordomo.ieee.org X-Moderator-Address: emc-pstc-appro...@majordomo.ieee.org Best regards, Kevin Richardson Stanimore Pty Limited (Technology Requirements Specialists) Ph: 02-4329-4070 Fax: 02-4328-5639 Int'l +61-2-432x- Email: k...@compuserve.com (Internet) kevin.richard...@ieee.org (Alternate Internet #1) k...@technologist.com (Alternate Internet #2) 100356,374 (Compuserve) - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). File: China Standard for ITE product.TXT
RE: Argentinean Power Cord
Hello Ali, Argentina has had a different power plug for quite some time (IRAM 2073 and IRAM 2063). Even though its configuration is similar to Australia it isn't the same. Other than dimensional differences the biggest difference is that line and neutral are reversed. Also, it is just recently that Argentina is starting to enforce their national requirements for power plugs. There have been previous Argentine Resolutions on power plugs that have nothing to do with the latest certification requirements. It has always been mandatory to use Argentine plugs in Argentina. Regards, Ron Wellman well...@corp.hp.com ___ -Original Message- From: Non-HP-ali.a.elmi /HP-PaloAlto,mimegw3/dd.HPMEXT1=ali.a.e...@exgate.tek.com Sent: Friday, March 26, 1999 1:33 PM To: Non-HP-emc-pstc /HP-PaloAlto,mimegw3/dd.HPMEXT1=emc-p...@ieee.org Cc: Non-HP-ali.a.elmi /HP-PaloAlto,mimegw3/dd.HPMEXT1=ali.a.e...@exgate.tek.com Subject: Argentinean Power Cord Today I received a call from one of distributors stating that as of August of this year, Argentina will have their own power cord requirements. I believe Argentina has the same configuration as Australia. Does anyone know where I can find out more about this requirement? Thanks in advance. Ali Elmi Tektronix, Inc., CPID P.O. Box 1000, M/S 61-001 Wilsonville, OR 97070-1000 (503) 685-3081 (503) 685-3880 Fax - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). File: Argentinean Power Cord.TXT
RE: Re: HAR Cordage - Who needs it?
Hello John, I really doubt if you will hear a complaint from a Customer about the approvals on a jumper cord. When you get down to it, the only people who care about approvals are regulators, test houses, and certification engineers. Since Feller is located in Austria, HAR cordage is no problem for them because Austria is a member of CENELEC. However, what about those power cord suppliers outside the EU who supply power cords. They have to purchase HAR cordage from suppliers in those countries who signed the CENELEC agreement. As long as we push HAR approved cordage we are maintaining a trade barrier for all other cord set suppliers outside the EU and Europe. You are also paying a premium price for HAR cordage when VDE or ASTA approval is just as good. Regards, Ron Wellman well...@corp.hp.com -Original Message- From: Non-HP-jrbarnes /HP-PaloAlto,mimegw3/dd.HPMEXT1=jrbar...@lexmark.com Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 1999 2:30 PM To: Non-HP-emc-pstc /HP-PaloAlto,mimegw3/dd.HPMEXT1=emc-p...@ieee.org; Non-HP-jrbarnes /HP-PaloAlto,mimegw3/dd.HPMEXT1=jrbar...@lexmark.com Cc: Non-HP-jrbarnes /HP-PaloAlto,mimegw3/dd.HPMEXT1=jrbar...@lexmark.com Subject: Re: HAR Cordage - Who needs it? Ron, As a product developer, my major concern was getting the Lexmark Marknet XLe approved worldwide. From my viewpoint HAR approval of the jumper cord was equivalent to a bunch of individual country approvals. But Feller is still the only manufacturer that I know of that makes IEC-320 jumper cords with all the European approvals and UL/CSA-listing, and they chose to go for HAR approval on the cordage. We had just a little more trouble than normal getting UL, CSA, European, and Nordic approvals of the Marknet XLe's, mainly from having a Class 1 grounded auxiliary output on an internally Class 2 double-insulated product . We sold many 10's of thousands of Marknet XLe's worldwide until they were replaced by the Lexmark Marknet Pro's, and I have yet to hear of a complaint from a customer about the jumper cord. John Barnes Advisory Engineer Lexmark International - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
HAR Cordage - Who needs it?
I'm going to throw a monkey wrench into this discussion. Why do you need HAR cordage? It is not mandatory to use it in Europe or the EU. Also HAR cordage can only be manufactured by suppliers in those countries that have accepted the HAR agreement and use HD 21 or HD 22 as their National Standards for cordage. No where does it say that HAR marked cordage is mandatory for power cords or cord sets that are sold in Europe or the EU. However, compliance to HD 21 or HD 22 or similar national standard is mandatory. As an example, you can use BS 6500 in the UK instead of HD 21 or HD 22. Regards, Ron Wellman well...@corp.hp.com -Original Message- From: Non-HP-jrbarnes /HP-PaloAlto,mimegw3/dd.HPMEXT1=jrbar...@lexmark.com Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 1999 12:59 PM To: Non-HP-emc-pstc /HP-PaloAlto,mimegw3/dd.HPMEXT1=emc-p...@ieee.org Cc: Non-HP-jrbarnes /HP-PaloAlto,mimegw3/dd.HPMEXT1=jrbar...@lexmark.com Subject: Re: US/ HAR line Cord Rich, UL does not accept HAR cordage in the USA because the HAR cordage does not meet the UL/ANSI standards for cordage. Likewise UL/ANSI cordage does not meet HAR requirements. Cordage that is Harmonized and UL/CSA-listed is rare but not impossible to find. Feller offers these Universal cordage styles: * HARSVT, 2x18AWG * HARSJT, 2x18AWG * HARSJT, 2x16AWG * HARSVT, 3x18AWG * HARSJT, 3x18AWG * HARSJT, 3x16AWG * HARSJT, 3x14AWG For the Lexmark Marknet XLe External Printer Servers we used a 10-foot jumper cord made of Feller's HARSVT, 3x18AWG cordage with molded-on IEC-320 C13 and IEC-320 C14 connectors. The XLe had worldwide approvals, and we marketed it worldwide with just the one jumper cord. The power supply for our Marknet Pro External Print Servers uses a similar 3x16AWG cordage. This power supply has been approved by UL, CSA, SAA, MITI, FIMKO, and SEMKO, with the cordage made by YEH YANG and LU CHIANG. John Barnes Advisory Engineer Lexmark International - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). File: Re_ US_ HAR line Cord.TXT
RE: Fw: RE: AC Adapters
Don't forget Argentina and Chile. They are different. BTW, everyone should get the latest copy of IEC 60083. This report covers the world pretty well. Ron Wellman well...@corp.hp.com Subject: Fw: RE: AC Adapters Posted for Wayne Thomas: From: wayne.d.tho...@exgate.tek.com Subject: RE: AC Adapters Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 08:52:26 -0800 To: jrbar...@lexmark.com, emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org John, (And Group) We noticed that you did not mention China (GB 2099.1-1996). The layout is the same as the Australian (AS 3112) but the blades are thinner. If the thick Australian plug is pushed into the China socket it may damage it. It is our understanding that power cords for China require Certification as noted by the Great Wall Mark. Wayne Thomas Tektronix Inc. -Original Message- From: jrbar...@lexmark.com [SMTP:jrbar...@lexmark.com] Sent: Friday, March 19, 1999 6:52 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Re: AC Adapters 2. How many different adapters are required to be stocked to handle the various requirements for plugs and safety approvals? We find that nine grounded-plug styles cover us worldwide: * UL 817.21 (NEMA WD-1 5-15P, US and Canada). * AS 3112 (Australia). * BS 1363 (United Kingdom). * CEE7 VII (Schuko, Europe). * SII-32 (Israel). * SEV 1011 (Switzerland). * SABS 164 (South Africa). * CEI 23-16 (Italy). * AFSNIT 107 (Denmark). For a 2-wire (double-insulated, Class 2) product the CEE7 XVI(2) Europlug could take the place of the CEE7 VII and SEV 1011 plugs. ---End of Original Message- -- Ed Price ed.pr...@cubic.com Electromagnetic Compatibility Lab Cubic Defense Systems San Diego, CA. USA 619-505-2780 List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date: 03/19/1999 Time: 09:10:58 -- - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). File: Fw_ RE_ AC Adapters.TXT
RE: LVD Standards
Order yourself a CENELEC catalog. All standards are cross-referenced to the appropriate European Directive that they fall under. The catalog is available on CD-ROM. Ron Wellman well...@corp.hp.com ___ I am currently testing a new e-mail client called Outlook. If present, please disregard the winmail.dat attachment. ___ -Original Message- From: Non-HP-Peterhays /HP-PaloAlto,mimegw3/dd.HPMEXT1=peterh...@aol.com Sent: Monday, November 09, 1998 7:27 PM To: Non-HP-emc-pstc /HP-PaloAlto,mimegw3/dd.HPMEXT1=emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Cc: Non-HP-Peterhays /HP-PaloAlto,mimegw3/dd.HPMEXT1=peterh...@aol.com Subject: LVD Standards Hello All, Can someone let me know if I can get the list of LVD standards published in the OJ on the WWW? Many thanks Peter Hays prterh...@aol.com - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). File: LVD Standards.TXT
RE: Re: Plugs for China
Hello Ed, The holes in the plug blades are a result of the manufacturing process used to make the pins. This is referenced in the standard ANSI/NEMA WD 6-1997 on page 17 as a note. Regards, Ron Wellman well...@corp.hp.com ___ I am currently testing a new e-mail client called Outlook. If present, please disregard the winmail.dat attachment. ___ -Original Message- From: Non-HP-ed.price /HP-PaloAlto,mimegw3/dd.HPMEXT1=ed.pr...@cubic.com Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 1998 5:07 PM To: Non-HP-emc-pstc /HP-PaloAlto,mimegw3/dd.HPMEXT1=emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org; Non-HP-G14342 /HP-PaloAlto,mimegw3/dd.HPMEXT1=g14...@ga25epd.mot.com Cc: Non-HP-ed.price /HP-PaloAlto,mimegw3/dd.HPMEXT1=ed.pr...@cubic.com Subject: Re: Plugs for China From: Millsaps Cindy-G14342 g14...@ga25epd.mot.com Subject: Plugs for China Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 16:10:33 -0400 To: 'emc-p...@ieee.org' emc-p...@ieee.org It seems that China now requires the plug blades to have no holes in them. Referring to the small round opening at the upper area of a US plug. Thanks, Cindy Millsaps Product Safety Engineer Motorola Energy Systems Group (770) 338-3288 FAX: (770) 338-3345 Sorry, Cindy, I'm of no help on your question. But, can anyone tell me just what those little circular holes in the High and Neutral plug blades are supposed to do? Ed -- Ed Price ed.pr...@cubic.com Electromagnetic Compatibility Lab Cubic Defense Systems San Diego, CA. USA 619-505-2780 List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date: 10/20/1998 Time: 16:06:44 -- - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). File: Re_ Plugs for China.TXT
RE: Plugs for China
Hello Cindy, The holes in the plug pins have never been allowed for China. If you look at the Chinese standard for plugs and receptacles (GB 1002-1996) figure 1 shows the plug without pin holes. Regards, Ron Wellman well...@corp.hp.com ___ I am currently testing a new e-mail client called Outlook. If present, please disregard the winmail.dat attachment. ___ -Original Message- From: Non-HP-G14342 /HP-PaloAlto,mimegw3/dd.HPMEXT1=g14...@ga25epd.mot.com Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 1998 1:11 PM To: Non-HP-emc-pstc /HP-PaloAlto,mimegw3/dd.HPMEXT1=emc-p...@ieee.org Cc: Non-HP-G14342 /HP-PaloAlto,mimegw3/dd.HPMEXT1=g14...@ga25epd.mot.com Subject: Plugs for China I have run into an issue with our plug configuration recently in China. It seems that China now requires the plug blades to have no holes in them. Referring to the small round opening at the upper area of a US plug. We have been told by our customer that we only need to get a letter from the Chinese approval agency that states that we comply with all the requirements, except for the blade hole requirement. With this letter they are telling us that they can then ship and sell in China. This does not sound correct to me, and everyone that I have contacted on this to date is telling me that you can't do that. I was wondering if anyone had any input for me on this, or similar issues arising. Thanks, Cindy Millsaps Cindy Millsaps Product Safety Engineer Motorola Energy Systems Group (770) 338-3288 FAX: (770) 338-3345 - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). File: Plugs for China.TXT
RE: RE: isopropyl alcohol
Hello all, I find it surprising that the community can't decide on what concentration of IPA to use to test label permanency. Let's hear from those on the list who work for UL, CSA, and TUV about this. What do they expect you to use? Considering it's their tests we are trying to pass. FYI. Rubbing Alcohol is 70% IPA, at least in the United States. You can get it at a local Pharmacy (Chemist). Ron Wellman well...@corp.hp.com -Original Message- From: Non-HP-Peter.Tarver.ptarver /HP-PaloAlto,mimegw3/dd.HPMEXT1=peter.tarver.ptar...@nt.com Sent: Friday, July 10, 1998 7:03 AM To: Non-HP-emc-pstc /HP-PaloAlto,mimegw3/dd.HPMEXT1=emc-p...@ieee.org Cc: Non-HP-Peter.Tarver.ptarver /HP-PaloAlto,mimegw3/dd.HPMEXT1=peter.tarver.ptar...@nt.com Subject: RE: isopropyl alcohol Just to fill the pot with more speculation, my recollection of college chemistry tells me that alcohol readily absorbs moisture from the atmosphere, so that any container opened to normal atmospheric conditions for more than a few seconds will autodilute to somewhere around 93% (that's the number in my mind for ethanol). No doubt, the percent purity will differ for different forms of alcohol. This makes requiring a 100% purity unattainable. I checked my 1982-1983 ed. of the CRC Press Handbook of Chemistry and Physics and found no useful information for this topic. I used to have a bottle of isopropanol in the lab. If I remember to, I'll see if it's labeled any particular way. Peter L. Tarver Nortel ptar...@nt.com -Original Message- From: Chris Dupres [SMTP:chris_dup...@compuserve.com] Sent: Thursday, July 09, 1998 9:57 PM Hi Ned. You wrote: I need some help to solve a difference of opinion. A number of standards require isopropyl alcohol for durability of marking test. e.g. IEC 1010-1, Clause 5.3 and IEC 601-1, Clause 6.1.z. The difference in opinion is in the concentration. The standards just state isopropyl alcohol. Some say 70% others say 100%. What are other people using? I use a material labelled 'Isopropyl Alcohol' for the rub test. That's what it says on the tin, and I can only assume that it is 100%. I am sure that it is 100% because spills evaporate very quickly and leave no water behind, I'm sure that if it was diluted the water would remain long after the IPA had gone. Does that make sense?. Chris Dupres Surrey, UK. File: RE_ isopropyl alcohol.TXT
RE: RE: worldwide power specifications
Hello Chris, Historically, there have been at least 5 sources for this information. They are: 1) World Electricity Supplies - Last published 1993 by the Britsh Standards Institute (BSI). The individual who was responsible for maintaining this document has retired. There have been no new editions of this document. 2) Electric Current Abroad - Last published 1998 by the U.S. Department of Commerce. 3) Panel Components Corporation - no longer in Santa Rosa, California, but now in Oskaloosa, Iowa. Their website guide is available at: http://www.panelcomponents.com/guide/guide.htm . However, this guide is not up-to-date for South America and Asia. Use at your own risk. 4) The World Electric Guide - by Steve Kropla, is available on the WWW at: http://kropla.com/electric.htm . However, this guide is based on travel information collected from people all around the world who have visited specific countries. Use at your own risk. 5) California Instruments - Current Guide for World Power - Last published 1993. A summarized version of the 1991 edition of Electric Current Abroad. Regards, Ron Wellman well...@corp.hp.com -Original Message- From: Non-HP-chris-dupres /HP-PaloAlto,mimegw3/dd.HPMEXT1=chris_dup...@compuserve.com Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 1998 12:48 PM To: Non-HP-CNJ /HP-PaloAlto,mimegw3/dd.HPMEXT1=c...@dolby.co.uk Cc: Non-HP-chris-dupres /HP-PaloAlto,mimegw3/dd.HPMEXT1=chris_dup...@compuserve.com; Non-HP-emc-pstc /HP-PaloAlto,mimegw3/dd.HPMEXT1=emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: worldwide power specifications Hi James, and listers. There was a thread on this very subject here a few months (year?) back and I suggested the same book (and wallchart). It was published by the 'THE' (Technical Help to Exporters) part of British Standards. Numerous people mailed to say that it was out of print and unlikely to be re-printed, reasons given included the vagaries and rapidly changing distribution systems round the world. Does anybody out there know if this is in fact out of print, or maybe updated and reprinted under another name? It was incredibly useful, though the sheer versatility of what one could do in the USA with 4 bits of wire and an earth was a bit of a nightmare to a nation like the Brits, spoilt with just one system all over the country. :-) We wouldn't have all these EMC and LVD problems if we went back to steam and horses! Chris Dupres Surrey, UK. File: RE_ worldwide power specifications.TXT
Re: English Translations
Howdy John, Expect to pay up to $200(US) per page for translations. I recently had some Chinese documents translated into English that equated to this amount. The cheapest way to get documents translated is to either find someone in your company who is technically literate with the languages involved or find someone in the country you are getting the documents from to do the translations for you. Regards, Ron Wellman well...@corp.hp.com __ Reply Separator _ Subject: English Translations Author: Non-HP-owner-emc-pstc (owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org) at HP-PaloAlto,mimegw3 List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date:2/7/97 4:21 AM Hello All, From time to time I have found it necessary to translate a correspondence, technical article, etc. from German, French or some other foreign language to English. This is usually because no English copy exists. Does anyone have any good experiences with a technical translator that they would recommend?? Thanks for the information. John Dudek, Manager Corcom Inc.
Re: Laser product information
Item Subject: Laser product information Hello Richard, The CDRH has a faxback system that can automatically fax you the CDRH documents you are looking for. The faxback number is 800-899-0381 and only works in North America. Regards, Ron well...@corp.hp.com __ Reply Separator _ Subject: Laser product information Author: Non-HP-owner-emc-pstc (owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org) at HP-PaloAlto,shargw3 List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date:1/3/97 12:27 PM Hello all, Way back when, there was some discussion on laser products classifications. Right now, we are new to the use of lasers and their regulations. I have some basic knowledge of the regulations, due to long ago testing of them, and my gray matter is not what it used to be. I would appreciate some assistance in the following: 1) Where do I get the latest copy of the CDRH report? Name, contact, address, tel., etc. 2) Filing procedures. I suspect it will be in the CDRH report that must be filled out. As I remember it, it was every year and I had to note the vendors model name, quantity and what product we were using the laser for. 3) Labeling format will be in 21 CFR section 1040 4) Any European document detailing who tests the laser for proper usage/application in a larger product, labeling requirements (multiple language) Any addition information would be most appreciated, as it is sometimes difficult to ask the right questions. Richard Georgerian Product Compliance Eng. Exabyte tel.: 303-417-7537 fax: 303-417-7829 e-mail: richa...@exabyte.com
Re: EN 1000-3-2
Hello Eric, Read clause 7.4 of IEC 1000-3-2. Regards, Ron Wellman well...@corp.hp.com __ Reply Separator _ Subject: EN 1000-3-2 Author: Non-HP-owner-emc-pstc (owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org) at HP-PaloAlto,mimegw3 List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date:1/11/95 10:44 AM Hello all, I keep seeing reference to 75 Watts or less in regards to EN1000-3-2 Is this some magic number or rather the experience of others that power supplies (switching) under 75 watts will probably not need any power factor correction? my particular equipment is ISM (process control) TIA eric henn...@fp.com Eric Henning henn...@fp.com these are only my opinions
Re: IEC 617 Symbol for Filters?
Howdy John, What about IEC 417 #5092. Isn't an EMI Filter a low pass filter? Graphic attached. Also, check out the following URL on the WWW for IEC 417 symbols: http://www.hike.te.chiba-u.ac.jp:80/iec417/ver2.0/html Regards, Ron Wellman well...@corp.hp.com __ Reply Separator _ Subject: IEC 617 Symbol for Filters? Author: Non-HP-owner-emc-pstc (owner-emc-p...@mail.ieee.org) at HP-PaloAlto,mimegw3 List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date:10/30/96 4:56 AM Does anyone know if an IEC 617 symbol exists for EMI / RFI filters? Thanks in advance. John Dudek, Manager Corcom Inc Product Safety Engineering 5092.gif
Re: UL labels, Graphics
Item Subject: UL labels, Graphics Received: from hpcc01.corp.hp.com by hpcc08.corp.hp.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.4 Openmail) id AA240694492; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 14:34:53 -0700 Received: from hp.com by hpcc01.corp.hp.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3) id AA210114490; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 14:34:50 -0700 Received: from ruebert.ieee.org by hp.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3) id AA215644489; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 14:34:49 -0700 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by ruebert.ieee.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA13285 for emc-pstc-list; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 15:42:29 -0400 (EDT) List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 15:43:09 -0400 From: r...@auratek.com (Michael Roy) Message-Id: 9608291943.aa01...@whatever.auratek.com To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: UL labels, Graphics X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: r...@auratek.com (Michael Roy) X-Resent-To: Multiple Recipients emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org X-Listname: emc-pstc X-List-Description: Product Safety Tech. Committee, EMC Society X-Info: Help requests to emc-pstc-requ...@majordomo.ieee.org X-Info: [Un]Subscribe requests to majord...@majordomo.ieee.org X-Moderator-Address: emc-pstc-appro...@majordomo.ieee.org ... Item Subject: UL labels, Graphics Hello Mike, Call one of the UL offices, say Melville. They have the artwork and all the information you need to know on applying the UL mark, including aspect ratios and all that good stuff. Unfortunatley, the UL web site does not have this information at: http://www.ul.com . However, since there are a number of UL people on this list server, maybe this information can be passed on to the right people in UL. Other third party test houses should consider this. I know that CSA will send you a floppy disk with all their marking art work on it. Regards, Ron Wellman well...@corp.hp.com __ Reply Separator _ Subject: UL labels, Graphics Author: Non-HP-owner-emc-pstc (owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org) at HP-PaloAlto,shargw3 List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date:8/29/96 12:43 PM Hello, I'm looking for UL logo labels to place on the outside of a UL approved box. Maybe 1/4 diameter would work. Anyone know sources for such things ? Also, does anyone know of a collection of cliparts or graphics that inlude things like the UL logo, universal safety markings etc. ? Thanks, Mike *** __ ____ __ _| //\ || | || \ // \ || \ //\ | Michael Roy //_ \ || | ||__/ || | ||__/ //_ \ | Project Engineer //\ ||__| || \ \\__/ || \ //\ | p: (617) 290-4800 x125 -- | f: (617) 290-4844 T E C H N O L O G I E S | e: r...@auratek.com | w: http://www.auratek.com Enterprise Workstation Connectivity | ***
Re: Voltage for 3 pahse systems
Item Subject: Voltage for 3 pahse systems Hello Moshe, There are two references that you might be interested in. These are: World Electricity Supplies, British Standards Institute (BSI), 1993 Electric Current Abroad, US Department of Commerce, 1991 (PB91-193383) However, these references are out of date. The chances of them being updated are very slim. I have been informed that the author of the BSI document has long since retired and has not been replaced. The US document is in the same boat. World Electricity Supplies is probably the document you want because it lists industrial voltages, as well as commercial and household. Regards, Ron Wellman well...@corp.hp.com __ Reply Separator _ Subject: Voltage for 3 pahse systems Author: Non-HP-owner-emc-pstc (owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org) at HP-PaloAlto,shargw3 List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date:7/16/96 2:34 PM Hello everyone, Sorry, I asked this several days ago and got no response, so maybe the email just didn't come through. Would anyone know what are the voltages/frequencies used in the various countries/environments around the world for high power industrial 3 phase equipment? thanks moshe valdman
Re: Survey: Experiences with EMI Consultants
Item Subject: Survey: Experiences with EMI Consultants Hello Max, In regards to using consultants for EMC, you can take an RD Engineer to water but you can't make them drink. I say this because my experience has been that you can send Engineers to EMC Seminars where they will get all the basics on EMC design. When a project comes along, they forget everything that was taught in the seminar. I have had to bring in a consultant at the request of RD because they wanted a third party opinion to their design while it was on paper. Everything the consultant told them was taught in the EMC seminars they attended. I also informed the RD Engineers, before the consultant came in, what they needed to address in their design for EMC compliance and how to plan the design. Being that I was from the Quality Department they wanted another opinion. Well that other opinion was exactly what I told them. There are a lot of good consultants out there. My personal preference is Henry Ott, because Henry knows his stuff and is very willing to work with you. Here is his address and phone numbers. Henry Ott Consultants 48 Baker Road Livingston, New Jersey 07039 (201) 992-1793 (201) 533-1442 Regards, Ron Wellman well...@corp.hp.com __ Reply Separator _ Subject: Survey: Experiences with EMI Consultants Author: Non-HP-owner-emc-pstc (owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org) at HP-PaloAlto,shargw3 List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date:7/12/96 12:21 PM I am wondering if anyone has had experience with hiring EMI/EMC consultants to solve their problems and what sort of results they have obtained. I would be very interested in any details that anyone might be able to provide. For example, did you use a consultant after the system was prototyped or early on, during the design process. Was the consultant most useful at providing board-level, design suggestions or was he most helpful at providing after-the-fact type fixes that pertain to cabinet design and I/O cable filtering and grounding techniques, etc. Also, did the consultant, deal directly with design engineers or interface with just one person within your company, etc.? Does anyone have the names of any good consultants? Max Kelson mkel...@es.com ... Item Subject: cc:Mail Text
RE: Documentation Legal rqmts
Hello Tony, Could you please let me know when has a Technical File been required under the EMC Directive? I believe you mean a Technical Construction File (TCF). A TCF can be used in lieu of meeting specific EMC Directive requirements through the acceptance of a Notified Body. If I'm wrong, please correct me. Regards, Ron Wellman well...@corp.hp.com __ Reply Separator _ Subject: RE: Documentation Legal rqmts Author: Non-HP-owner-emc-pstc (owner-emc-p...@mail.ieee.org) at HP-PaloAlto,uugw3 List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date:7/8/96 8:38 AM Hi, DofCs and technical files are required as a part of the EMC directive. 1 to 5 days for a DofC and 8 days for test reports (i.e. technical file) appear to be guidelines so that one demonstrates proof of compliance in a timely manner. One would think that authorities can request IMMEDIATE proof, in which case several days would seem to be more reasonable still. This would not really appear to be anything extraordinary. Regards, tony_fredriks...@netpower.com -- From: GRASSO%STKWWHDQ To: emc-pstc; GRASSO%STKWWHDQ Subject: Documentation Legal rqmts List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date: Thursday, July 04, 1996 12:00AM My company is being told that... The law requires the following: 1. Within 1-5 days: To be able to present a DoC to French authorities 2. Within 8 days: To be able to show successful test reports Can anyone answer the following: 1. Is this a FRENCH only requirement - or for ALL EU counties 2. If so what law is being referenced... Thank you.
Re: Energy Star Program??
Item Subject: Energy Star Program?? Received: from hpcc01.corp.hp.com by hpcc08.corp.hp.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.4 Openmail) id AA069027047; Tue, 28 May 1996 11:10:48 -0700 Received: from relay.hp.com by hpcc01.corp.hp.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3) id AA107577039; Tue, 28 May 1996 11:10:40 -0700 Received: from mail.ieee.org (rab.ieee.org) by relay.hp.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3) id AA176817037; Tue, 28 May 1996 11:10:37 -0700 Received: by mail.ieee.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA24380 for emc-pstc-list; Tue, 28 May 1996 12:25:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: s1aab8e1@iomega.com X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 08:21:55 -0600 From: CRAIG HENSLEY hens...@iomega.com To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Energy Star Program?? Sender: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: CRAIG HENSLEY hens...@iomega.com X-Resent-To: Multiple Recipients emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org X-Listname: emc-pstc X-List-Description: Product Safety Tech. Committee, EMC Society X-Info: Help requests to emc-pstc-requ...@majordomo.ieee.org X-Info: [Un]Subscribe requests to majord...@majordomo.ieee.org X-Moderator-Address: emc-pstc-appro...@majordomo.ieee.org ... Item Subject: Energy Star Program?? Hello Craig, Check out the following URL on the WWW: http://www.epa.gov/GCDOAR/EnergyStar.html Regards, Ron Wellman well...@corp.hp.com __ Reply Separator _ Subject: Energy Star Program?? Author: Non-HP-owner-emc-pstc (owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org) at HP-PaloAlto,shargw3 List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date:5/28/96 7:21 AM Although this is not safety-related I am hoping someone out there can point me in the right direction. I am looking for information on the Energy Star program. Specifically: Who administers the program? What type of PC equipment would be applicable? What are the requirements for compliance? In what countries is the Energy Star program recognized? Is their an organization or person I can contact for additional information? I am trying to gather as much data as I can, so any information would be greatly appreciated. I apologize for the non-safety related subject matter but given the very broad knowledge base of participants on the PSTC forum I felt this was a good place to query for information. THANKS!! Craig Hensley Compliance Engineer Iomega Corp. Roy, Utah (801) 778-4135
Re: Industrial Plug and Socket-outlet
Item Subject: Industrial Plug and Socket-outlet Received: from hpcc01.corp.hp.com by hpcc08.corp.hp.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.4 Openmail) id AA285514139; Tue, 28 May 1996 10:22:23 -0700 Received: from relay.hp.com by hpcc01.corp.hp.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3) id AA164404134; Tue, 28 May 1996 10:22:16 -0700 Received: from mail.ieee.org (rab.ieee.org) by relay.hp.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3) id AA124924125; Tue, 28 May 1996 10:22:05 -0700 Received: by mail.ieee.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA21678 for emc-pstc-list; Tue, 28 May 1996 11:37:29 -0400 (EDT) From: t...@superlink.net Message-Id: 199605281537.laa14...@apollo.gti.net List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date: 28 May 96 11:35:40 To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Industrial Plug and Socket-outlet X-Mailer: Allaire Cold Fusion 1.5 Sender: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: t...@superlink.net X-Resent-To: Multiple Recipients emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org X-Listname: emc-pstc X-List-Description: Product Safety Tech. Committee, EMC Society X-Info: Help requests to emc-pstc-requ...@majordomo.ieee.org X-Info: [Un]Subscribe requests to majord...@majordomo.ieee.org X-Moderator-Address: emc-pstc-appro...@majordomo.ieee.org ... Item Subject: Industrial Plug and Socket-outlet Hello Tom, Check out IEC 309-1. Regards, Ron Wellman well...@corp.hp.com __ Reply Separator _ Subject: Industrial Plug and Socket-outlet Author: Non-HP-owner-emc-pstc (owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org) at HP-PaloAlto,shargw3 List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date:5/28/96 11:35 AM Hello everyone, I'm reading 1.2.5.1, 1.2.5.2 IEC-950. One thing which is not very clear to me is the industrial plug and socket-outlet. Anyone has a definition for them, or which standard specifies it? TIA Tom Bao t...@superlink.net Courtesy of RCIC http://uc.com/compliance_engineering/
Re: CENELEC
Item Subject: CENELEC Received: from hpcc01.corp.hp.com by hpcc08.corp.hp.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.4 Openmail) id AA284292732; Tue, 14 May 1996 15:25:33 -0700 Received: from hp.com by hpcc01.corp.hp.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3) id AA044342731; Tue, 14 May 1996 15:25:31 -0700 Received: from mail.ieee.org (rab.ieee.org) by hp.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3) id AA148722729; Tue, 14 May 1996 15:25:29 -0700 Received: by mail.ieee.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA08309 for emc-pstc-list; Tue, 14 May 1996 15:04:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: 9605141857.aa17...@us4rmc.pko.dec.com List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date: Tue, 14 May 96 14:57:55 EDT From: Brought to you by Johnson's Vax john...@lesreg.enet.dec.com To: emc-p...@ieee.org Cc: john...@lesreg.enet.dec.com Apparently-To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: CENELEC Sender: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Brought to you by Johnson's Vax john...@lesreg.enet.dec.com X-Resent-To: Multiple Recipients emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org X-Listname: emc-pstc X-List-Description: Product Safety Tech. Committee, EMC Society X-Info: Help requests to emc-pstc-requ...@majordomo.ieee.org X-Info: [Un]Subscribe requests to majord...@majordomo.ieee.org X-Moderator-Address: emc-pstc-appro...@majordomo.ieee.org ... Item Subject: CENELEC Howdy Bob, You want the phone and fax for the Public Relations officer at CENELEC. Annick Colman Fax: 32 2 519 69 19 Phone: 32 2 519 69 96 Regards, Ron ++ |Ronald R. Wellman |Corporate Quality Department| |Hewlett-Packard Company|External Product Regulations| |Product Processes Organization |Voice : 415-857-6059| |1501 Page Mill Road, MS 5UL|FAX : 415-857-6340| |Palo Alto, California 94304 USA|E-Mail: well...@corp.hp.com | ++ | Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by | | age eighteen. - Albert Einstein | ++ __ Reply Separator _ Subject: CENELEC Author: Non-HP-owner-emc-pstc (owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org) at HP-PaloAlto,shargw3 List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date:5/14/96 11:57 AM Does CENELEC have a web presence? Does anyone have their phone or fax numbers? Bob Johnson
Re: Re[2]: OSHA Laser Safety Requirements
Item Subject: Re[2]: OSHA Laser Safety Requirements Hello Ken, Check out the OSHA Web Site at: http://www.osha.gov You will need to determine your Standard Industrial Classification (SIC) number by searching the OSHA SIC database at: http://www.osha.gov/oshstats/sicser.html The SIC for Computer Peripheral Equipment, Not Elsewhere Classified is 3577 which includes printers. At the bottom of the the SIC = 3577 page is a link to OSHA standards cited for this SIC. Regards, Ron Wellman ++ |Ronald R. Wellman |Corporate Quality Department| |Hewlett-Packard Company|External Product Regulations| |Product Processes Organization |Voice : 415-857-6059| |1501 Page Mill Road, MS 5UL|FAX : 415-857-6340| |Palo Alto, California 94304 USA|E-Mail: well...@corp.hp.com | ++ | Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by | | age eighteen. - Albert Einstein | ++ __ Reply Separator_ Subject: Re[2]: OSHA Laser Safety Requirements Author: Non-HP-owner-emc-pstc (owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org) at HP-PaloAlto,shargw3 List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date:5/13/96 12:43 PM Mike, Eric PSNet: Thank you for your swift reply. However, the information that you provided concerns the FDA/CDRH regulations contained in 21CFR Parts 1000, 1002 and 1040. We are fully aware of these FDA regulations. We contacted The Laser Institute of America for additional information, but they could only provide the document referenced in my initial e-mail message of 5/10/96 (OSHA Guidelines For Safety and Hazard Assessment). Can anyone provide additional information concerning what specific OSHA regulations require: 1) Laser safety training for employees that operate laser equipment 2) Assignment of a Laser Safety Officer (LSO) in an environment where Class III or IV laser radiation is accessible to employees 3) Medical Surveillance (Requirement that employees working with lasers must have an eye exam by an optometrist / ophthalmologist) 29 CFR Part 1926.54(a) states Only qualified and trained employees shall be assigned to install, adjust, and operate laser equipment. However, 29 CFR Part 1926 is titled SAFETY AND HEALTH REGULATIONS FOR CONSTRUCTION. Any information regarding this issue would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Ken Shadoff Product Safety Engineer Canon USA, Inc. __ Reply Separator _ Subject: Re: OSHA Laser Safety Requirements Author: Michael Wright wri...@fortbragg.engr.sgi.com at ~internet List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date:5/13/96 12:30 PM The Laser Institute of America 1-800-34LASER puts out many laser related publications, one of which is Regulatory Requirements for Laser Product Manufacturers (Updated for 1996). Includes regulations published by FDA/CDRH to enforce the Federal Laser Product Performance Standard. This may answer your questions. Mike +++ ... Item Subject: cc:Mail Text
Re: INTRA-COMPANY SHIPMENTS TO Europe / CE
Hello Robert, Have you made any intra-company shipments to the Netherlands? I would suspect that if you do not have a CE mark on your product that the Dutch customs officials would impound the shipment. This assumes that your products must be CE marked according the applicable EU Council Directives. Regards, Ron Wellman ++ |Ronald R. Wellman |Corporate Quality Department| |Hewlett-Packard Company|External Product Regulations| |Product Processes Organization |Voice : 415-857-6059| |1501 Page Mill Road, MS 5UL|FAX : 415-857-6340| |Palo Alto, California 94304 USA|E-Mail: well...@corp.hp.com | ++ | Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by | | age eighteen. - Albert Einstein | ++ __ Reply Separator _ Subject: INTRA-COMPANY SHIPMENTS TO Europe / CE Author: Non-HP-owner-emc-pstc (owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org) at HP-PaloAlto,mimegw3 List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date:5/14/96 6:17 AM Our headquarters, and the majority of our product shipments, are out of Ann Arbor, MI. However, we own a facility in The Netherlands. This facility consists primarily of a sales office, wharehouse, service depot, and a facility for some value-added type production. In other words, we ship products out of our headquarters here in the US, to this facility. My counterparts in our European facility tell me that I do not need the CE Mark on the products for intra-company shipments like this. My questions is..what does the directives say about intra-company shipments..? I am looking for as much information on this subject as possibleif anyone has any insight, please let me know! Robert L. Terry Compliance Engineer Nematron Corporation robert.te...@nematron.com 313 994 0591 Ext 235 313 994 8408 Fax
Re: Routine Hipot testing )
Received: from hpcc01.corp.hp.com by hpcc08.corp.hp.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.4 Openmail) id AA176213892; Tue, 7 May 1996 03:11:32 -0700 Received: from relay.hp.com by hpcc01.corp.hp.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3) id AA149343887; Tue, 7 May 1996 03:11:28 -0700 Received: from mail.ieee.org (rab.ieee.org) by relay.hp.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3) id AA071843887; Tue, 7 May 1996 03:11:27 -0700 Received: by mail.ieee.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id EAA00794 for emc-pstc-list; Tue, 7 May 1996 04:51:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: 199605070850.jaa11...@netserver.fisonssurf.co.uk Comments: Authenticated sender is nrouse@mailhost From: Nick Rouse nro...@fisonssurf.co.uk To: emc-p...@ieee.org List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 09:51:12 + Subject: Re: Routine Hipot testing ) Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.10) Sender: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Nick Rouse nro...@fisonssurf.co.uk X-Resent-To: Multiple Recipients emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org X-Listname: emc-pstc X-List-Description: Product Safety Tech. Committee, EMC Society X-Info: Help requests to emc-pstc-requ...@majordomo.ieee.org X-Info: [Un]Subscribe requests to majord...@majordomo.ieee.org X-Moderator-Address: emc-pstc-appro...@majordomo.ieee.org ... Hello Nick, Amendment 2 of EN61010-1 doesn't have to be published in the OJEC to become mandatory under the LVD. Read Article 5 in the LVD. Regards, Ron Wellman ++ |Ronald R. Wellman |Corporate Quality Department| |Hewlett-Packard Company|External Product Regulations| |Product Processes Organization |Voice : 415-857-6059| |1501 Page Mill Road, MS 5UL|FAX : 415-857-6340| |Palo Alto, California 94304 USA|E-Mail: well...@corp.hp.com | ++ | Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by | | age eighteen. - Albert Einstein | ++ __ Reply Separator _ Subject: Re: Routine Hipot testing ) Author: Non-HP-owner-emc-pstc (owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org) at HP-PaloAlto,shargw3 List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date:5/7/96 2:51 AM Amendment 2 of EN61010-1, the European version of IEC1010-1 has not yet been listed in the Official Journal. Therefore the change that makes appendix K normative and 100% production hipot testing a requirement of that standard is not yet mandatory on those for whom EN61010-1 is applicable and who choose compliance with the harmonised standards to meet the requirements of the LVD. This situation is however likely to short lived as a listing on standards under the LVD is due soon and as the date of withdrawal of conflicting standards to the amendment passed on 1 Apr 96 the requirement will come into force immediately on listing in the OJ Nick Rouse
Re: Power cord length
Item Subject: Power cord length Received: from hpcc01.corp.hp.com by hpcc08.corp.hp.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.4 Openmail) id AA292966552; Mon, 29 Apr 1996 18:09:17 -0700 Received: from hp.com by hpcc01.corp.hp.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3) id AA222156549; Mon, 29 Apr 1996 18:09:10 -0700 Received: from mail.ieee.org (rab.ieee.org) by hp.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3) id AA142706548; Mon, 29 Apr 1996 18:09:08 -0700 Received: by mail.ieee.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA23992 for emc-pstc-list; Mon, 29 Apr 1996 17:19:01 -0400 (EDT) List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date: Mon, 29 Apr 96 15:43:28 CDT From: mjen...@yak.cray.com (Mel Jensen) Message-Id: 9604292043.aa02...@standards.cray.com To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Power cord length Sender: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mjen...@yak.cray.com (Mel Jensen) X-Resent-To: Multiple Recipients emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org X-Listname: emc-pstc X-List-Description: Product Safety Tech. Committee, EMC Society X-Info: Help requests to emc-pstc-requ...@majordomo.ieee.org X-Info: [Un]Subscribe requests to majord...@majordomo.ieee.org X-Moderator-Address: emc-pstc-appro...@majordomo.ieee.org ... Item Subject: Power cord length Hello Mel, Check out UL 817 for cord lengths. Usually, there are minimum lengths specified like 1.8 meters (6 feet) for general use cord sets. Also, CSA C22.2 No. 21, Table 1, has lengths for extension cords which vary by cord type. Hope this helps. Regards, Ron ++ |Ronald R. Wellman |Corporate Quality Department| |Hewlett-Packard Company|External Product Regulations| |Product Processes Organization |Voice : 415-857-6059| |1501 Page Mill Road, MS 5UL|FAX : 415-857-6340| |Palo Alto, California 94304 USA|E-Mail: well...@corp.hp.com | ++ | Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by | | age eighteen. - Albert Einstein | ++ __ Reply Separator _ Subject: Power cord length Author: Non-HP-owner-emc-pstc (owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org) at HP-PaloAlto,shargw3 List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date:4/29/96 1:43 PM All; Can anyone provide guidance as to allowable length(s) for attached power cords for ITE equipment? Either e-mail or post responses. And thank you in advance for any and all help. Mel Jensen, P.E. Cray Research, Inc. TEL:715-726-8374 1050 Lowater Rd. FAX:715-726-6715 Chippewa Falls, WI 54729 EMAIL:mjen...@cray.com ___
Re: NPF Returns
Hello Bill, Hey, that's great, for the UK! Maybe? What about other EU Member States? Also, how do you flag a NPF product to the local custom authorities? Regards, Ron Wellman ++ |Ronald R. Wellman |Corporate Quality Department| |Hewlett-Packard Company|External Product Regulations| |Product Processes Organization |Voice : 415-857-6059| |1501 Page Mill Road, MS 5UL|FAX : 415-857-6340| |Palo Alto, California 94304 USA|E-Mail: well...@corp.hp.com | ++ | Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by | | age eighteen. - Albert Einstein | ++ __ Reply Separator _ Subject: Re: NPF Returns Author: Non-HP-owner-emc-pstc (owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org) at HP-PaloAlto,shargw3 List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date:4/27/96 2:16 PM In message n1381582518.74...@mail.fwb.com Steve Chin writes: I have a dumb question. How do the EU directives apply to a unit that was put into service prior to Jan. 1, 1996 (without a CE mark on it), which has been returned to its US manufacturer for serveice, and is being returned to its owner with No Problem Found (no repair work was performed on the unit, only an examination for functionality). Does a unit found to be NPF need to have a CE mark applied to it before it can be sent back to its owner? Definitely not. In fact no CE mark is required even if it is repaired as long as it is only returned to the original specification. Essentially, it is second-hand equipment originally placed on the market before 1.1.1996 and therefore still exempt. It is only if the unit was modified or upgraded that it would be treated as newly placed on the market and would therefore require CE marking. The UK official interpretation of this point is Q11 in Section 11 of the FAQ Sources of EMC and Safety Compliance Information which is now regularly posted to the sci.engr.electrical.compliance newsgroup (last posted 20 April) and which will be archived at http://world.std.com/~techbook/compliance_faq.html Regards, Bill Lyons. = Claude Lyons Limited Brook Road Waltham Cross Herts EN8 7LR England Leaders in Voltage and Power Control - Precise Electrical Instrumentation Telephone: +44 1992 76 Fax: +44 1992 769849 Telex: 22724 CL LTD G email: b...@lyons.demon.co.uk or w.ly...@ieee.org = ... Item Subject: cc:Mail Text
Re: ESD testing on exposed connector pins
Received: from hpcc01.corp.hp.com by hpcc08.corp.hp.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.4 Openmail) id AA012278233; Fri, 19 Apr 1996 19:43:54 -0700 Received: from hp.com by hpcc01.corp.hp.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3) id AA009328229; Fri, 19 Apr 1996 19:43:50 -0700 Received: from mail.ieee.org (rab.ieee.org) by hp.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3) id AA150138228; Fri, 19 Apr 1996 19:43:48 -0700 Received: by mail.ieee.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA22834 for emc-pstc-list; Fri, 19 Apr 1996 12:09:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: 199604191609.maa22...@mail.ieee.org List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date: Fri, 19 Apr 96 17:05 GMT From: HUDSON@glamis SIM::@msim.co.uk To: EMC-PSTC emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Re: ESD testing on exposed connector pins Sender: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: HUDSON@glamis SIM::@msim.co.uk X-Resent-To: Multiple Recipients emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org X-Listname: emc-pstc X-List-Description: Product Safety Tech. Committee, EMC Society X-Info: Help requests to emc-pstc-requ...@majordomo.ieee.org X-Info: [Un]Subscribe requests to majord...@majordomo.ieee.org X-Moderator-Address: emc-pstc-appro...@majordomo.ieee.org ... Hello Alan, You assume two things: 1) test houses will zap connectors, and 2) all manufacturers use test houses for EMC Directive compliance In the United States most manufacturers self declare compliance to the EMC Directive unless they take the TCF route and work with a competent body. Do all manufacturers zap connectors? Your guess is as good as mine. Regards, Ron Wellman ++ |Ronald R. Wellman |Corporate Quality Department| |Hewlett-Packard Company|External Product Regulations| |Product Processes Organization |Voice : 415-857-6059| |1501 Page Mill Road, MS 5UL|FAX : 415-857-6340| |Palo Alto, California 94304 USA|E-Mail: well...@corp.hp.com | ++ | Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by | | age eighteen. - Albert Einstein | ++ __ Reply Separator _ Subject: Re: ESD testing on exposed connector pins Author: Non-HP-owner-emc-pstc (owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org) at HP-PaloAlto,shargw3 List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date:4/19/96 10:05 AM Recently Ron Wellman wrote: I believe that everyone contributing to this thread knows that zapping pins of exposed connector pins is almost always a guaranteed failure. Whether you fix it or not is a business decision, From a European point of view, I would have thought that if the test house did such a test (zapped the pins) and it failed, then you didn't get your Certificate of Conformity (or whatever), which means no CE Mark, which means no can sell, which is not much of a business decision !!! Or am I being simplistic (or even dense !)? Regards, Alan Hudson EMC/EW Specialist Marconi Simulation (Scotland, UK) email1 hud...@msim.co.uk email2 100534@compuserve.com
Re: EN 50082-1 Status
Received: from relay.hp.com by hpcc08.corp.hp.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.4 Openmail) id AA264426421; Tue, 16 Apr 1996 02:20:21 -0700 Received: from sun1.iihe.ac.be by relay.hp.com with SMTP (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3) id AA298836407; Tue, 16 Apr 1996 02:20:08 -0700 X400-Received: by mta sun1.iihe.ac.be in /PRMD=IIHE/ADMD=RTT/C=BE/; Relayed; Tue, 16 Apr 1996 11:14:41 +0200 X400-Received: by /PRMD=CENCLCBEL/ADMD=RTT/C=BE/; converted (ia5-text); Relayed; Tue, 16 Apr 1996 13:16:13 +0200 List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 13:16:13 +0200 X400-Originator: gail.fa...@cencenelec.cenclcbel.be X400-Recipients: non-disclosure:; X400-Mts-Identifier: [/PRMD=CENCLCBEL/ADMD=RTT/C=BE/;9437151116041996/A53527/VAXC1] X400-Content-Type: P2-1984 (2) Content-Identifier: 11A482CF2500 Alternate-Recipient: Allowed From: FAGEN GAIL gail.fa...@cencenelec.cenclcbel.be (Tel 32.2-5196865) Message-Id: 9437151116041996/A53527/VAXC1/11A482CF2500*@MHS To: ron_well...@hp-paloalto-om4.om.hp.com (Non Receipt Notification Requested) In-Reply-To: H000132b0eacca2f@MHS Subject: Re: EN 50082-1 Status Sensitivity: Company-Confidential ... Howdy all, Here is the status of prEN 50082-1:1995. __ Forward Header __ Subject: Re: EN 50082-1 Status Dear Mr. Wellman, Thanks for your email. prEN 50082-1:1995 was sent out for a second vote on Sept. 14, 1995. The voting results are likely to be discussed at our next Technical Board meeting early July. You should be able to order a copy of the draft from ANSI in New York - fax: (212) 302-1286. Your German colleague can order one from our member in Germany: DKE - fax: 069/6312-925. Best regards, Gail Ann Fagen Head of the Info Data Service CENELEC CS - Regards, Ron Wellman ++ |Ronald R. Wellman |Corporate Quality Department| |Hewlett-Packard Company|External Product Regulations| |Product Processes Organization |Voice : 415-857-6059| |1501 Page Mill Road, MS 5UL|FAX : 415-857-6340| |Palo Alto, California 94304 USA|E-Mail: well...@corp.hp.com | ++ | Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by | | age eighteen. - Albert Einstein | ++
Laser Safety in EN61010-1
Annex ZA to Amendment 2 of EN 61010-1 makes no reference to IEC 825-1 or EN 60825-1. However, take a gander at Clause 2 of EN 61010-1 which says: At the time of publication, the editions indicated are valid. All standards are subject to revision, and parties to agreements based on this Part of IEC 1010 are encouraged to investigate the possibility of applying the most recent editions of the standards indicated below. IEC 825:1984 is in the list that follows. Encouraging, isn't it? Regards, Ron Wellman ++ |Ronald R. Wellman |Corporate Quality Department| |Hewlett-Packard Company|External Product Regulations| |Product Processes Organization |Voice : 415-857-6059| |1501 Page Mill Road, MS 5UL|FAX : 415-857-6340| |Palo Alto, California 94304 USA|E-Mail: well...@corp.hp.com | ++ | Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by | | age eighteen. - Albert Einstein | ++ __ Forward Header __ Subject: Laser Safety in EN61010-1 Author: Non-HP-owner-emc-pstc (owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org) at HP-PaloAlto,shargw3 List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date:4/15/96 4:14 PM Does anyone know if the laser safety standards EN60825 or EN60825-1 are included in the amended EN61010-1, either as a normative reference or as an informative reference? Also, is EN61010-1 specifically referenced in the Low Voltage Directive? I wish to determine if the laser safety standard has become a legal requirement for test equipment as it apparently has for IT equipment by the LVD -- EN60950 -- EN60825-1 path. Thanks for the assistance. Bob Weiner Weiner Associates ... FROM: Non-HP-71020#f#734/HP-PaloAlto_shargw3HPMEXT1/71020#f#734#a#compuserve#f#com@hpcc08 TO: emc-p...@ieee.org ... Item Subject: cc:Mail Text
