Re: In house test equipment
You may address your question to the third department of BSMI. - Grace On 1/19/09, codymil...@micron.com codymil...@micron.com wrote: Hi all, I have a question regarding Taiwan regulatory requirements. We have some in house custom bench top test equipment we have designed and use in our company. We would like to send a couple units to our plant in Taiwan. Do I need to have the equipment tested to meet Taiwan regulator standards. We do not sell this item and we at most will ship a couple units into our Taiwan facility. Thanks, Cody - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to LT;emc-p...@ieee.orgGT; All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas LT;emcp...@ptcnh.netGT; Mike Cantwell LT;mcantw...@ieee.orgGT; For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher LT;j.bac...@ieee.orgGT; David Heald LT;dhe...@gmail.comGT; - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com
RE: In house test equipment
Hi Grace, Pardon my lack of intimate familiarity of the inner workings of BSMI, but what is the meaning of “the third department of BSMI”? Does BSMI actually have a “third department”? Also, do you know what the problem with BSMI’s website (www.bsmi.gov.tw http://www.bsmi.gov.tw/ ) is as it reports an “unknown www server” error when attempting access? I am guessing that their web server is currently disabled for the moment. Or, is the web address different? Please advise. I look forward to your reply. Best regards, Ron Pickard ron.pick...@intermec.com mailto:ron.pick...@intermec.com From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Grace Lin Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 5:54 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Re: In house test equipment You may address your question to the third department of BSMI. - Grace On 1/19/09, codymil...@micron.com codymil...@micron.com wrote: Hi all, I have a question regarding Taiwan regulatory requirements. We have some in house custom bench top test equipment we have designed and use in our company. We would like to send a couple units to our plant in Taiwan. Do I need to have the equipment tested to meet Taiwan regulator standards. We do not sell this item and we at most will ship a couple units into our Taiwan facility. Thanks, Cody - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to LT;emc-p...@ieee.orgGT; All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas LT;emcp...@ptcnh.netGT; Mike Cantwell LT;mcantw...@ieee.orgGT; For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher LT;j.bac...@ieee.orgGT; David Heald LT;dhe...@gmail.comGT; - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com
Re: In house test equipment
Ron, The department most of applicants communicating with is the sixth department. The sixth department review certificationapplications. The third department decides which products are regulated. BSMI may shut down its web site for maintenance during this Lunar New Year holiday. Check back after next week may give you access. Regards, Grace On 1/23/09, Pickard, Ron ron.pick...@intermec.com wrote: Hi Grace, Pardon my lack of intimate familiarity of the inner workings of BSMI, but what is the meaning of the third department of BSMI? Does BSMI actually have a third department? Also, do you know what the problem with BSMI's website (www.bsmi.gov.tw http://www.bsmi.gov.tw/ ) is as it reports an unknown www server error when attempting access? I am guessing that their web server is currently disabled for the moment. Or, is the web address different? Please advise. I look forward to your reply. Best regards, Ron Pickard ron.pick...@intermec.com mailto:ron.pick...@intermec.com From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Grace Lin Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 5:54 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Re: In house test equipment You may address your question to the third department of BSMI. - Grace On 1/19/09, codymil...@micron.com codymil...@micron.com wrote: Hi all, I have a question regarding Taiwan regulatory requirements. We have some in house custom bench top test equipment we have designed and use in our company. We would like to send a couple units to our plant in Taiwan. Do I need to have the equipment tested to meet Taiwan regulator standards. We do not sell this item and we at most will ship a couple units into our Taiwan facility. Thanks, Cody - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to LT;emc-p...@ieee.orgGT; All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas LT;emcp...@ptcnh.netGT; Mike Cantwell LT;mcantw...@ieee.orgGT; For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher LT;j.bac...@ieee.orgGT; David Heald LT;dhe...@gmail.comGT; - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com
RE: In-house test equipment
Dear All, Equipment used at work in the EU is - by definition work equipment and as such is covered by the Use of Work Equipment Directive (89/655/EEC) and the Amending Directive (95/63/EC) to the Use of Work Equipment Directive (89/655/EEC) In outline, this requires that the equipment supplied as work equipment be safe. One of the ways that the equipment can be thought of as safe is that it should meet all the applicable Directives Now the Work Equipment Directive does not discriminate between a small test box with two resistors, a hammer or a large piece of custom production line equipment. If, instead of making the equipment in-house the task had been subcontracted within EU, then the product would need to be certified to the applicable directives. If what you have built as in-house test equipment presents no risk of harm, then you might not need to address the directives. If there is a risk of harm, then you probably need to confirm that the in-house equipment would meet those directives. Look also at the UK implementation of the work equipment directive - known as PUWER (Provision and Use of Work Equipment). A guide to these regulations is given at http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/indg291.pdf and the UK regulations can be found at http://www.opsi.gov.uk/cgi-bin/htm_hl.p ?DB=opsiSTEMMER=enWORDS=work+equip+C LOUR=RedSTYLE=sURL=http://www.opsi.go .uk/si/si1998/19982306.htm#muscat_highlighter_first_match (sorry for the long URL - it does work if you chain it together in the URL line) I hope this is of help. Tim Haynes Electromagnetic Engineering Specialist SELEX Sensors and Airborne Systems Tel: +44 (0) 1582 886239 Fax: +44 (0) 1582 795871 Mobile: e-mail: tim.hay...@selex-sas.com Homepage www.selex-sas.com From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of John Woodgate Sent: 31 August 2005 07:16 To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Re: In-house test equipment *** WARNING *** This mail has originated outside your organization, either from an external partner or the Global Internet. Keep this in mind if you answer this message. Doug Beckwith dougbeckw...@yahoo.ca wrote (in 20050831024102.32663.qm...@web30505.mail.mud.yahoo.com) about 'In-house test equipment', on Tue, 30 Aug 2005: My previous employers all had subsidiaries/factories in Europe, and the transfer of custom built test equipment across the pond was commonplace. The key with the EU legislation is the words offered for sale. If the equipment is not going to be sold then as long as the shipping papaerwork indicates that it is from xyz company to the same xyz company (UK) then there is no issue at customs. We certainly never had any issues. It's actually not 'offered for sale' that is the critical issue, because even if it's not offered for sale, it IS 'taken into service'. The weasel phrase here that was probably invoked to allow your equipment into the EU is 'This equipment is not for free circulation within the EU.' This phrase should appear on the shipping documents but there is no guarantee that customs in all EU countries will accept it. In particular, **once the equipment has entered the EU, it is not allowed to cross an internal national border, because that would be 'free circulation'**. This is a very grey area, which has arisen because there was no proper provision for unique special-purpose products, like factory test equipment, in the Directive. The new Directive is a bit better in this respect. One thing you should be careful of is the fact that the local power utility may require evidence of compliance to the relevant safety standard for the equipment, or may require some kind of inspection before you plug it in. It's not the power utility (at least in UK) but Health and Safety officials. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. Deadlines are 90% of deadliness. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/listserv/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwellmcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc This email and any attachments are confidential to the intended recipient and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient please delete it from your system and notify the sender. You should not copy it or use it for any purpose nor disclose or distribute its contents
Re: In-house test equipment
Hi Folks I would take John's message below even further - as I think I stated previously. In the UK, the Provision and Use of Work Equipment Regulations 1998 (PUWER 1998) requires that employers shall ensure that all equipment used at work shall comply with the relevant EU directives for safety - thus the LVD, EMC directive, etc., and actual CE Marking may/ may not be required according to the wording of the directive in question. PUWER 1998 is part of the set of supporting regulations for The Safety at Work., etc., Act 1974, which in turn is the UK implementation (in fact it was one of the models for!) of EU Directive 89/391/EEC The Workplace Framework Directive. This, in turn, has many implementing detailed EUdirectives for workplace safety. Thus, as such, it may not matter if the item gets through local Customs, as taking into service in the work environment is then subject to the latter directive, in all its national implementations and implications (e.g. safety standards, language of markings and instructions, etc.), that counts in the end. Regards John Allen - Original Message - From: John Woodgate j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk To: emc-p...@ieee.org Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 7:16 AM Subject: Re: In-house test equipment Doug Beckwith dougbeckw...@yahoo.ca wrote (in 20050831024102.32663.qm...@web30505.mail.mud.yahoo.com) about 'In-house test equipment', on Tue, 30 Aug 2005: My previous employers all had subsidiaries/factories in Europe, and the transfer of custom built test equipment across the pond was commonplace. The key with the EU legislation is the words offered for sale. If the equipment is not going to be sold then as long as the shipping papaerwork indicates that it is from xyz company to the same xyz company (UK) then there is no issue at customs. We certainly never had any issues. It's actually not 'offered for sale' that is the critical issue, because even if it's not offered for sale, it IS 'taken into service'. The weasel phrase here that was probably invoked to allow your equipment into the EU is 'This equipment is not for free circulation within the EU.' This phrase should appear on the shipping documents but there is no guarantee that customs in all EU countries will accept it. In particular, **once the equipment has entered the EU, it is not allowed to cross an internal national border, because that would be 'free circulation'**. This is a very grey area, which has arisen because there was no proper provision for unique special-purpose products, like factory test equipment, in the Directive. The new Directive is a bit better in this respect. One thing you should be careful of is the fact that the local power utility may require evidence of compliance to the relevant safety standard for the equipment, or may require some kind of inspection before you plug it in. It's not the power utility (at least in UK) but Health and Safety officials. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. Deadlines are 90% of deadliness. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/listserv/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwellmcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.18/86 - Release Date: 31/08/05 This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/listserv/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwellmcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Re: In-house test equipment
Doug Beckwith dougbeckw...@yahoo.ca wrote (in 20050831024102.32663.qm...@web30505.mail.mud.yahoo.com) about 'In-house test equipment', on Tue, 30 Aug 2005: My previous employers all had subsidiaries/factories in Europe, and the transfer of custom built test equipment across the pond was commonplace. The key with the EU legislation is the words offered for sale. If the equipment is not going to be sold then as long as the shipping papaerwork indicates that it is from xyz company to the same xyz company (UK) then there is no issue at customs. We certainly never had any issues. It's actually not 'offered for sale' that is the critical issue, because even if it's not offered for sale, it IS 'taken into service'. The weasel phrase here that was probably invoked to allow your equipment into the EU is 'This equipment is not for free circulation within the EU.' This phrase should appear on the shipping documents but there is no guarantee that customs in all EU countries will accept it. In particular, **once the equipment has entered the EU, it is not allowed to cross an internal national border, because that would be 'free circulation'**. This is a very grey area, which has arisen because there was no proper provision for unique special-purpose products, like factory test equipment, in the Directive. The new Directive is a bit better in this respect. One thing you should be careful of is the fact that the local power utility may require evidence of compliance to the relevant safety standard for the equipment, or may require some kind of inspection before you plug it in. It's not the power utility (at least in UK) but Health and Safety officials. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. Deadlines are 90% of deadliness. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/listserv/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwellmcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Re: In-house test equipment
Hi Dave, My previous employers all had subsidiaries/factories in Europe, and the transfer of custom built test equipment across the pond was commonplace. The key with the EU legislation is the words offered for sale. If the equipment is not going to be sold then as long as the shipping papaerwork indicates that it is from xyz company to the same xyz company (UK) then there is no issue at customs. We certainly never had any issues. One thing you should be careful of is the fact that the local power utility may require evidence of compliance to the relevant safety standard for the equipment, or may require some kind of inspection before you plug it in. The same is the case here in the frozen north where equiment that does not have a NRTL approval requires inspection, and a dielectric test, before we are allowed to plug it in. Most test equipment falls under 61010 or 60950, and these are common with the EN variant, so if you evaluate your equipment to this, you can state compliance to the LVD. While you may not have satisifed the EMC requirements for CE marking, you would at least satisfy the local electrical authorities, that the quipment is safe. Regards Doug --- drcuthb...@micron.com wrote: CE Gurus: It is my understanding that for in-house test equipment the CE Mark is not required. We have some in-house designed test equipment that we are sending from the U.S. to one of our factories in Europe. * What is needed to get a unit through customs? * * What EU safety regulations do we still need to meet? * * Any other advise is welcomed. Dave Cuthbert Micron Technology This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/listserv/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwellmcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc __ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/listserv/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwellmcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
RE: In-house test equipment
Dave The CE marking (per the EMC Directive) is required at the time a piece of equipment is put on the market or placed into service in the EU. It's the latter part of that sentence that applies to you. It doesn't matter that you're not selling it. The EMC Directive guidance document puts it like this. Where an apparatus is manufactured in the EEA or imported from a third country for the manufacturer's or end user's own use, placing on the market is combined with putting into service; the obligation to conform to the Directive begins with first use. See http://europa.eu.int/comm/enterpris /electr_equipment/emc/guides/chapthre.htm#3.2. for more detail. Now, there may be some relief in this statement depending on what you are using the equipment for. 5.2.9. Educational electronic equipment (Annex III(i)): Apparatus in training, research and educational establishments intended for studying electromagnetic phenomena, may exceed the limits of emitted disturbance contained in the relevant standards published in accordance with Article 7.1 of the EMC Directive. However, the EC declaration of conformity must in such a case, indicate which EM phenomena the apparatus is used to study, and must also indicate that the instructions for the apparatus specify that such apparatus may only be operated under the supervision of qualified personnel, and that where electromagnetic disturbances cause a problem, the person working in such institutions must take the necessary measures to eliminate such disturbances. The training, research or educational establishment shall take all necessary measures to ensure that apparatus installed outside the electromagnetic environment can function properly; See http://europa.eu.int/comm/enterpris /electr_equipment/emc/guides/chapfive.htm Finally, when CE marking an equipment the product liability directive requires the manufacturer to show due diligence in the basis for their declaration of conformity. In your specific case (where you are sending 1 device) you will have to assess what impact your equipment will have on the electromagnetic environment and let that determine the amount of evidence you need to support your declaration. Hope that this is of benefit. Please feel free to contact me if I can provide any further information Best regards John Harrington EMC Technical Manager F-Squared Laboratories Tel: 440 834 8926 x 203 Fax: 440 834 8914 Cell: 440 832 0558 _ From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of drcuthb...@micron.com Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 12:31 PM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Cc: jestuc...@micron.com Subject: In-house test equipment CE Gurus: It is my understanding that for in-house test equipment the CE Mark is not required. We have some in-house designed test equipment that we are sending from the U.S. to one of our factories in Europe. * What is needed to get a unit through customs? * What EU safety regulations do we still need to meet? * Any other advise is welcomed. Dave Cuthbert Micron Technology This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/listserv/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/listserv/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Re: In-house test equipment
With respect to Dave's original question: - The equipment does not have to be CE Marked if it is purely electrical/electronic under LVD/EMCD - but if it were a piece of mechanical equipment subject to the Machinery Directive then it would have to be CE Marked under that Directive as the requirements are different! - Regardless of the CE Marking issues, EU workplace safety inspectors will want to be assured that it is safe, and that will involve the end-users performing suitable risk assessments. Part of the evidence to be included in these will be evidence of the standards met. If these are EU Harmonised stds then there should be no problem, but if these are not EU Harmonised Stds then there may be further issues to address as US stds are not officially recognised in EU legislation. - Regarding the age of the equipment, it is the date at which it is first imported into the EU - not the date on which it was manufactured - that is the significant one, thus 10 year old equipment that is imported at year 10 would be deemed to be new equipment in this respect. Regards John Allen - Original Message - From: Stephen Hopkins mailto:i...@mrtestequipment.com To: drcuthb...@micron.com ; emc-p...@ieee.org Cc: jestuc...@micron.com Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 9:08 PM Subject: RE: In-house test equipment Our understanding is that if the equipment is being shipped within the same company…. i.e. shipping from North America factory to Europe factory…. CE is a non issue and does not apply in this case. However, for customs, etc. your paperwork should indicate an inter-company shipment or transfer of equipment and NOT a sale of equipment. If you are selling the equipment, comments above do not apply. Further, if the equipment was “legal” in Europe before CE regulations were introduced… it is still “legal” there now. CE introduction did not make equipment, produced prior to the introduction of CE, suddenly “illegal”. Hope this helps. Kind Regards Stephen Hopkins Mr Test Equipment Phone 905-274-6200 E-mail i...@mrtestequipment.com Mr Test Equipment: Your partner for used and refurbished electronic test and measurement equipment http://www.mrtestequipment.com _ From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of drcuthb...@micron.com Sent: August 26, 2005 9:31 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Cc: jestuc...@micron.com Subject: In-house test equipment CE Gurus: It is my understanding that for in-house test equipment the CE Mark is not required. We have some in-house designed test equipment that we are sending from the U.S. to one of our factories in Europe. * What is needed to get a unit through customs? * What EU safety regulations do we still need to meet? * Any other advise is welcomed. Dave Cuthbert Micron Technology This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/listserv/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/listserv/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc _ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.15/82 - Release Date: 25/08/05 This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/listserv/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell
RE: In-house test equipment
Our understanding is that if the equipment is being shipped within the same company…. i.e. shipping from North America factory to Europe factory…. CE is a non issue and does not apply in this case. However, for customs, etc. your paperwork should indicate an inter-company shipment or transfer of equipment and NOT a sale of equipment. If you are selling the equipment, comments above do not apply. Further, if the equipment was “legal” in Europe before CE regulations were introduced… it is still “legal” there now. CE introduction did not make equipment, produced prior to the introduction of CE, suddenly “illegal”. Hope this helps. Kind Regards Stephen Hopkins Mr Test Equipment Phone 905-274-6200 E-mail i...@mrtestequipment.com Mr Test Equipment: Your partner for used and refurbished electronic test and measurement equipment http://www.mrtestequipment.com _ From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of drcuthb...@micron.com Sent: August 26, 2005 9:31 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Cc: jestuc...@micron.com Subject: In-house test equipment CE Gurus: It is my understanding that for in-house test equipment the CE Mark is not required. We have some in-house designed test equipment that we are sending from the U.S. to one of our factories in Europe. * What is needed to get a unit through customs? * What EU safety regulations do we still need to meet? * Any other advise is welcomed. Dave Cuthbert Micron Technology This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/listserv/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/listserv/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
