Re: In house test equipment

2009-01-23 Thread Grace Lin 
Ron,
 
The department most of applicants communicating with is the sixth department. 
The sixth department review certificationapplications.  The third department
decides which products are regulated.
 
BSMI may shut down its web site for maintenance during this Lunar New Year
holiday.  Check back after next week may give you access.
 
Regards,
Grace

 
On 1/23/09, Pickard, Ron  wrote: 

Hi Grace,

 

Pardon my lack of intimate familiarity of the inner workings of BSMI, 
but
what is the meaning of "the third department of BSMI"? Does BSMI actually have
a "third department"?

 

Also, do you know what the problem with BSMI's website (www.bsmi.gov.tw
<http://www.bsmi.gov.tw/> ) is as it reports an "unknown www server" error
when attempting access? I am guessing that their web server is currently
disabled for the moment. Or, is the web address different?

 

Please advise. I look forward to your reply.

 

Best regards,

 

Ron Pickard

ron.pick...@intermec.com <mailto:ron.pick...@intermec.com> 





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Lin
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 5:54 AM
        To: emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: Re: In house test equipment

 

You may address your question to the third department of BSMI. - Grace

On 1/19/09, codymil...@micron.com  wrote: 

Hi all,

 

I have a question regarding Taiwan regulatory requirements. We have 
some in
house custom bench top test equipment we have designed and use in our company.
We would like to send a couple units to our plant in Taiwan. Do I need to have
the equipment tested to meet Taiwan regulator standards. We do not sell this
item and we at most will ship a couple units into our Taiwan facility.

 

Thanks,

Cody

 

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RE: In house test equipment

2009-01-23 Thread Pickard, Ron 
Hi Grace,

 

Pardon my lack of intimate familiarity of the inner workings of BSMI, but what
is the meaning of “the third department of BSMI”? Does BSMI actually have
a “third department”?

 

Also, do you know what the problem with BSMI’s website (www.bsmi.gov.tw
<http://www.bsmi.gov.tw/> ) is as it reports an “unknown www server” error
when attempting access? I am guessing that their web server is currently
disabled for the moment. Or, is the web address different?

 

Please advise. I look forward to your reply.

 

Best regards,

 

Ron Pickard

ron.pick...@intermec.com <mailto:ron.pick...@intermec.com> 



From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Grace Lin
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 5:54 AM
To: emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: Re: In house test equipment

 

You may address your question to the third department of BSMI. - Grace

On 1/19/09, codymil...@micron.com  wrote: 

Hi all,

 

I have a question regarding Taiwan regulatory requirements. We have some in
house custom bench top test equipment we have designed and use in our company.
We would like to send a couple units to our plant in Taiwan. Do I need to have
the equipment tested to meet Taiwan regulator standards. We do not sell this
item and we at most will ship a couple units into our Taiwan facility.

 

Thanks,

Cody

 

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Re: In house test equipment

2009-01-23 Thread Grace Lin 
You may address your question to the third department of BSMI. - Grace


On 1/19/09, codymil...@micron.com  wrote: 

Hi all,
 
I have a question regarding Taiwan regulatory requirements. We have 
some in
house custom bench top test equipment we have designed and use in our company.
We would like to send a couple units to our plant in Taiwan. Do I need to have
the equipment tested to meet Taiwan regulator standards. We do not sell this
item and we at most will ship a couple units into our Taiwan facility.
 
Thanks,
Cody
 
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RE: In-house test equipment

2005-09-01 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org 
Dear All,

Equipment used "at work" in the EU is - by definition "work equipment" and as
such is covered by the Use of Work Equipment Directive (89/655/EEC) and the
Amending Directive (95/63/EC) to the Use of Work Equipment Directive
(89/655/EEC)

In outline, this requires that the equipment supplied as work equipment be
safe. One of the ways that the equipment can be thought of as safe is that it
should meet all the applicable Directives

Now the Work Equipment Directive does not discriminate between a small test
box with two resistors, a hammer or a large piece of custom production line
equipment. If, instead of making the equipment in-house the task had been
subcontracted within EU, then the "product" would need to be certified to the
applicable directives. If what you have built as in-house test equipment
presents no risk of harm, then you might not need to address the directives.
If there is a risk of harm, then you probably need to confirm that the
in-house equipment would meet those directives.

Look also at the UK implementation of the work equipment directive - known as
PUWER (Provision and Use of Work Equipment).
A guide to these regulations is given at
http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/indg291.pdf and the UK regulations can be found at
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/cgi-bin/htm_hl.p
?DB=opsi&STEMMER=en&WORDS=work+equip+&C
LOUR=Red&STYLE=s&URL=http://www.opsi.go
.uk/si/si1998/19982306.htm#muscat_highlighter_first_match

(sorry for the long URL - it does work if you chain it together in the URL
line)

I hope this is of help.

Tim Haynes
Electromagnetic Engineering Specialist
SELEX Sensors and Airborne Systems
Tel: +44 (0) 1582 886239
Fax: +44 (0) 1582 795871
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Sent: 31 August 2005 07:16
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Doug Beckwith  wrote (in
<20050831024102.32663.qm...@web30505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>) about
'In-house test equipment', on Tue, 30 Aug 2005:

>My previous employers all had subsidiaries/factories in Europe, and the
>transfer of custom built test equipment across the pond was
>commonplace. The key with the EU legislation is the words "offered for
>sale". If the equipment is not going to be sold then as long as the
>shipping papaerwork indicates that it is from xyz company to the same
>xyz company (UK) then there is no issue at customs. We certainly never
>had any issues.

It's actually not 'offered for sale' that is the critical issue, because
even if it's not offered for sale, it IS 'taken into service'. The
weasel phrase here that was probably invoked to allow your equipment
into the EU is 'This equipment is not for free circulation within the
EU.'  This phrase should appear on the shipping documents but there is
no guarantee that customs in all EU countries will accept it. In
particular, **once the equipment has entered the EU, it is not allowed
to cross an internal national border, because that would be 'free
circulation'**.

This is a very grey area, which has arisen because there was no proper
provision for unique special-purpose products, like factory test
equipment, in the Directive. The new Directive is a bit better in this
respect.
>
>One thing you should be careful of is the fact that the local power
>utility may require evidence of compliance to the relevant safety
>standard for the equipment, or may require some kind of inspection
>before you plug it in.

It's not the power utility (at least in UK) but Health and Safety
officials.
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
Deadlines are 90% of deadliness.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk


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Re: In-house test equipment

2005-08-31 Thread emc-pstc@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG 
John Allen  wrote (in 
<00cd01c5ae68$3370f600$0201a8c0@johnallen>) about 'In-house test 
equipment', on Wed, 31 Aug 2005:
>In the UK, the "Provision and Use of Work Equipment Regulations 1998" 
>("PUWER 1998") requires that employers shall ensure that all equipment 
>used at work shall comply with the relevant EU directives for safety - 
>thus the LVD, EMC directive, etc., and actual CE Marking may/ may not 
>be required according to the wording of the directive in question.

The EMC Directive explicitly states that it does not concern safety.
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Re: In-house test equipment

2005-08-31 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org 
Hi Folks

I would take John's message below even further - as I think I stated
previously.

In the UK, the "Provision and Use of Work Equipment Regulations 1998"
("PUWER 1998") requires that employers shall ensure that all equipment used
at work shall comply with the relevant EU directives for safety - thus the
LVD, EMC directive, etc., and actual CE Marking may/ may not be required
according to the wording of the directive in question.

PUWER 1998 is part of the set of supporting regulations for "The Safety at
Work., etc., Act 1974", which in turn is the UK implementation (in fact it
was one of the models for!) of EU Directive 89/391/EEC "The Workplace
Framework Directive". This, in turn, has many implementing detailed
EUdirectives for workplace safety.

Thus, as such, it may not matter if the item gets through local Customs, as
"taking into service" in the work environment is then subject to the latter
directive, in all its national implementations and implications (e.g. safety
standards, language of markings and instructions, etc.), that counts in the
end.

Regards

John Allen

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From: "John Woodgate" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 7:16 AM
Subject: Re: In-house test equipment


> Doug Beckwith  wrote (in
> <20050831024102.32663.qm...@web30505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>) about
> 'In-house test equipment', on Tue, 30 Aug 2005:
>
> >My previous employers all had subsidiaries/factories in Europe, and the
> >transfer of custom built test equipment across the pond was
> >commonplace. The key with the EU legislation is the words "offered for
> >sale". If the equipment is not going to be sold then as long as the
> >shipping papaerwork indicates that it is from xyz company to the same
> >xyz company (UK) then there is no issue at customs. We certainly never
> >had any issues.
>
> It's actually not 'offered for sale' that is the critical issue, because
> even if it's not offered for sale, it IS 'taken into service'. The
> weasel phrase here that was probably invoked to allow your equipment
> into the EU is 'This equipment is not for free circulation within the
> EU.'  This phrase should appear on the shipping documents but there is
> no guarantee that customs in all EU countries will accept it. In
> particular, **once the equipment has entered the EU, it is not allowed
> to cross an internal national border, because that would be 'free
> circulation'**.
>
> This is a very grey area, which has arisen because there was no proper
> provision for unique special-purpose products, like factory test
> equipment, in the Directive. The new Directive is a bit better in this
> respect.
> >
> >One thing you should be careful of is the fact that the local power
> >utility may require evidence of compliance to the relevant safety
> >standard for the equipment, or may require some kind of inspection
> >before you plug it in.
>
> It's not the power utility (at least in UK) but Health and Safety
> officials.
> -- 
> Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
> Deadlines are 90% of deadliness.
> http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk
>
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Re: In-house test equipment

2005-08-31 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org 
Doug Beckwith  wrote (in 
<20050831024102.32663.qm...@web30505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>) about 
'In-house test equipment', on Tue, 30 Aug 2005:

>My previous employers all had subsidiaries/factories in Europe, and the 
>transfer of custom built test equipment across the pond was 
>commonplace. The key with the EU legislation is the words "offered for 
>sale". If the equipment is not going to be sold then as long as the 
>shipping papaerwork indicates that it is from xyz company to the same 
>xyz company (UK) then there is no issue at customs. We certainly never 
>had any issues.

It's actually not 'offered for sale' that is the critical issue, because 
even if it's not offered for sale, it IS 'taken into service'. The 
weasel phrase here that was probably invoked to allow your equipment 
into the EU is 'This equipment is not for free circulation within the 
EU.'  This phrase should appear on the shipping documents but there is 
no guarantee that customs in all EU countries will accept it. In 
particular, **once the equipment has entered the EU, it is not allowed 
to cross an internal national border, because that would be 'free 
circulation'**.

This is a very grey area, which has arisen because there was no proper 
provision for unique special-purpose products, like factory test 
equipment, in the Directive. The new Directive is a bit better in this 
respect.
>
>One thing you should be careful of is the fact that the local power 
>utility may require evidence of compliance to the relevant safety 
>standard for the equipment, or may require some kind of inspection 
>before you plug it in.

It's not the power utility (at least in UK) but Health and Safety 
officials.
-- 
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
Deadlines are 90% of deadliness.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk


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Re: In-house test equipment

2005-08-30 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org 
Hi Dave,
My previous employers all had subsidiaries/factories in Europe,
and the transfer of custom built test equipment across the pond 
was commonplace. The key with the EU legislation is the words
"offered for sale". If the equipment is not going to be sold
then as long as the shipping papaerwork indicates that it is
>from xyz company to the same xyz company (UK) then there is no
issue at customs. We certainly never had any issues. 

One thing you should be careful of is the fact that the local
power utility may require evidence of compliance to the relevant
safety standard for the equipment, or may require some kind of
inspection before you plug it in. The same is the case here in
the frozen north where equiment that does not have a NRTL
approval requires inspection, and a dielectric test, before we
are allowed to plug it in.  

Most test equipment falls under 61010 or 60950, and these are
common with the EN variant, so if you evaluate your equipment to
this, you can state compliance to the LVD. While you may not
have satisifed the EMC requirements for CE marking, you would at
least satisfy the local electrical authorities, that the
quipment is safe.

Regards

Doug
--- drcuthb...@micron.com wrote:

> CE Gurus:
> 
> It is my understanding that for in-house test equipment the CE
> Mark is
> not required. We have some in-house designed test equipment
> that we are
> sending from the U.S. to one of our factories in Europe. 
> 
> * What is needed to get a unit through customs?
> * 
> * What EU safety regulations do we still need to meet?
> * 
> * Any other advise is welcomed.
> 
>   Dave Cuthbert
>   Micron Technology
> 
> 
> 
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RE: In-house test equipment

2005-08-29 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org 
Dave
 
The CE marking (per the EMC Directive) is required at the time a piece of
equipment is put on the market or placed into service in the EU.  It's the
latter part of that sentence that applies to you.  It doesn't matter that
you're not selling it.
 
The EMC Directive guidance document puts it like this.
 
"Where an apparatus is manufactured in the EEA or imported from a third
country  for the manufacturer's or end user's own use, placing on the market
is combined with putting into service; the obligation to conform to the
Directive begins with first use."
 
See http://europa.eu.int/comm/enterpris
/electr_equipment/emc/guides/chapthre.htm#3.2. for more detail.
 
 
Now, there may be some relief in this statement depending on what you are
using the equipment for.
 
"5.2.9. Educational electronic equipment (Annex III(i)): Apparatus in
training, research and educational establishments intended for studying
electromagnetic phenomena, may exceed the limits of emitted disturbance
contained in the relevant standards published in accordance with Article 7.1
of the EMC Directive. However, the EC declaration of conformity must in such a
case, indicate which EM phenomena the apparatus is used to study, and must
also indicate that the instructions for the apparatus specify that such
apparatus may only be operated under the supervision of qualified personnel,
and that where electromagnetic disturbances cause a problem, the person
working in such institutions must take the necessary measures to eliminate
such disturbances. The training, research or educational establishment shall
take all necessary measures to ensure that apparatus installed outside the
electromagnetic environment can function properly;"
 
See http://europa.eu.int/comm/enterpris
/electr_equipment/emc/guides/chapfive.htm
 
Finally, when CE marking an equipment the product liability directive requires
the manufacturer to show "due diligence" in the basis for their declaration of
conformity.  In your specific case (where you are sending 1 device) you will
have to assess what impact your equipment will have on the electromagnetic
environment and let that determine the amount of evidence you need to support
your declaration.
 
Hope that this is of benefit.

Please feel free to contact me if I can provide any further information
 
Best regards
John Harrington
EMC Technical Manager
F-Squared Laboratories
Tel: 440 834 8926 x 203
Fax: 440 834 8914
Cell: 440 832 0558 

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CE Gurus: 

It is my understanding that for in-house test equipment the CE Mark is not
required. We have some in-house designed test equipment that we are sending
>from the U.S. to one of our factories in Europe. 

*   What is needed to get a unit through customs? 


*   What EU safety regulations do we still need to meet? 


*   Any other advise is welcomed. 


  Dave Cuthbert 
  Micron Technology 


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Re: In-house test equipment

2005-08-26 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org 
With respect to Dave's original question:
 
- The equipment does not have to be CE Marked if it is purely
electrical/electronic under LVD/EMCD - but if it were a piece of mechanical
equipment subject to the Machinery Directive then it would have to be CE
Marked under that Directive as the requirements are different!
 
- Regardless of the CE Marking issues, EU workplace safety inspectors will
want to be assured that it is safe, and that will involve the end-users
performing suitable risk assessments. Part of the evidence to be included in
these will be evidence of the standards met. If these are EU Harmonised stds
then there should be no problem, but if these are not EU Harmonised Stds then
there may be further issues to address as US stds are not officially
"recognised" in EU legislation.
 
- Regarding the age of the equipment, it is the date at which it is first
imported into the EU - not the date on which it was manufactured - that is the
significant one, thus 10 year old equipment that is imported at year 10 would
be deemed to be new equipment in this respect.
 
Regards

John Allen

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Our understanding is that if the equipment is being shipped within the same
company…. i.e. shipping from North America factory to Europe factory…. CE
is a non issue and does not apply in this case. 

 

However, for customs, etc. your paperwork should indicate an inter-company
shipment or transfer of equipment and NOT a sale of equipment.  If you are
selling the equipment, comments above do not apply.

 

Further, if the equipment was “legal” in Europe before CE regulations were
introduced… it is still “legal” there now.  

CE introduction did not make equipment, produced prior to the introduction of
CE, suddenly “illegal”.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Kind Regards

 

Stephen Hopkins

Mr Test Equipment

Phone 905-274-6200

E-mail i...@mrtestequipment.com 

 

Mr Test Equipment: Your partner for used and refurbished electronic test and
measurement equipment 

 

http://www.mrtestequipment.com

 

 

 

 


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CE Gurus: 

It is my understanding that for in-house test equipment the CE Mark is not
required. We have some in-house designed test equipment that we are sending
>from the U.S. to one of our factories in Europe. 

*   What is needed to get a unit through customs? 

 

*   What EU safety regulations do we still need to meet? 

 

*   Any other advise is welcomed. 

 

  Dave Cuthbert 
  Micron Technology 

 

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RE: In-house test equipment

2005-08-26 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org 
Our understanding is that if the equipment is being shipped within the same
company…. i.e. shipping from North America factory to Europe factory…. CE
is a non issue and does not apply in this case. 

 

However, for customs, etc. your paperwork should indicate an inter-company
shipment or transfer of equipment and NOT a sale of equipment.  If you are
selling the equipment, comments above do not apply.

 

Further, if the equipment was “legal” in Europe before CE regulations were
introduced… it is still “legal” there now.  

CE introduction did not make equipment, produced prior to the introduction of
CE, suddenly “illegal”.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Kind Regards

 

Stephen Hopkins

Mr Test Equipment

Phone 905-274-6200

E-mail i...@mrtestequipment.com 

 

Mr Test Equipment: Your partner for used and refurbished electronic test and
measurement equipment 

 

http://www.mrtestequipment.com

 

 

 

 

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Subject: In-house test equipment

 

CE Gurus: 

It is my understanding that for in-house test equipment the CE Mark is not
required. We have some in-house designed test equipment that we are sending
>from the U.S. to one of our factories in Europe. 

*   What is needed to get a unit through customs?

 

*   What EU safety regulations do we still need to meet?

 

*   Any other advise is welcomed.

 

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  Micron Technology 

 

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