Re: EMC - SLIM
Hello Amund and All No there is a meeting in the EU on 6th September. Outcomes will be posted on our web site and we will inform the group. Cheers Alan E Hutley EMC Compliance Journal www.compliance-club.com - Original Message - From: To: "IEEE / News Group" Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 1:40 PM Subject: EMC - SLIM > > Hi all, > > Have there been any progress in the EMC SLIM process lately ? any news ? > > Best regards > Amund Westin > Oslo, NORWAY > > > > > --- > This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety > Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. > > Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ > > To cancel your subscription, send mail to: > majord...@ieee.org > with the single line: > unsubscribe emc-pstc > > For help, send mail to the list administrators: > Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com > Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com > > For policy questions, send mail to: > Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org > Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org > > All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: > http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ > Click on "browse" and then "emc-pstc mailing list" > --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on "browse" and then "emc-pstc mailing list"
Re: EMC - SLIM
Amund and everyone Nothing has happened for the last 12 months. There is a meeting of the EMC Working Party on 5 September 2002, but this discusses other matters as well as SLIM. The item on the agenda relating to SLIM is to receive a status report. There does not appear to have been a new draft for discussion produced. I will keep everyone informed of any progress, once the outcome of the WP meeting is known. Best wishes Brian Jones EMC Consultant and Competent Body Signatory - Original Message - From: To: IEEE / News Group Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 1:40 PM Subject: EMC - SLIM > > Hi all, > > Have there been any progress in the EMC SLIM process lately ? any news ? > > Best regards > Amund Westin > Oslo, NORWAY > > > > > --- > This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety > Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. > > Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ > > To cancel your subscription, send mail to: > majord...@ieee.org > with the single line: > unsubscribe emc-pstc > > For help, send mail to the list administrators: > Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com > Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com > > For policy questions, send mail to: > Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org > Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org > > All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: > http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ > Click on "browse" and then "emc-pstc mailing list" > > --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on "browse" and then "emc-pstc mailing list"
EMC - SLIM
Hi all, Have there been any progress in the EMC SLIM process lately ? any news ? Best regards Amund Westin Oslo, NORWAY --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on "browse" and then "emc-pstc mailing list"
Fw: SLIM Survey Findings
- Original Message - From: Alan E Hutley To: emc-pstc Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 10:15 AM Subject: SLIM Survey Findings Hello All The findings of the European Commission survey for proposals to modify the EMC directive can now be found in a 15 page word document on the home page of our web site www.compliance-club.com it makes for interesting reading. Cheers Alan E Hutley EMC Compliance Journal
SLIM Survey Findings
Hello All The findings of the European Commission survey for proposals to modify the EMC directive can now be found in a 15 page word document on the home page of our web site www.compliance-club.com it makes for interesting reading. Cheers Alan E Hutley EMC Compliance Journal
SLIM 2008
Hi All The latest SLIM document is now available, at time of posting is not yet on EU site. I can email you a word file. Cannot put on our web site at the moment in throes of re-designing. If you would like file email me separately please. Cheers Alan E Hutley Editorial & Publishing Director EMC Compliance Journal nutwoo...@nutwood.eu.com <mailto:nutwoo...@nutwood.eu.com> www.emc-journal.co.uk <http://www.emc-journal.co.uk/>
RE: SLIM 7 The latest Document: IMPORTANT!!
I took the liberty of informing at the representative of the Dutch authorities close to one of the members of SLIM about this topic. It indeed has been part of discussion last week at SLIM, and as far as the spokesman told me this issue has been fixed, and the exclusive application of harmonized standards AND methods for compliance presumption as suggested has been addressed. That's what he told me. I did not read the text yet. Regards, Gert Gremmen, (Ing) ce-test, qualified testing === Web presence http://www.cetest.nl CE-shop http://www.cetest.nl/ce_shop.htm /-/ Compliance testing is our core business /-/ === >>-Original Message- >>From: owner-emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf >>Of John Woodgate >>Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 7:27 AM >>To: cdup...@cs.com >>Cc: emc-p...@ieee.org >>Subject: Re: SLIM 7 The latest Document: IMPORTANT!! >> >> >> >> >> >><4e.124bbafa.27d57...@cs.com>, cdup...@cs.com wrote: >>>Hi John. >>> >>>You wrote: >>>>> >>>2. Compliance with a harmonised standard means conformity with its >>>provisions (e.g. limits) and demonstration thereof by the methods >>>the harmonised standard describes or refers to. >>> >>>This means that anyone **self-certifying** must either buy all the >>>special-purpose test equipment (think GBP 100 k or so!) or use a test >>>house for all measurements. >>>> >>> >>>I may be being a bit simplistic, but I interepreted the clause >>3, Annexe IV, >>>Page 18: >>>3. Presumption of conformity through a harmonized standard or >>a combinaqtion >>>of harmonized standards is limited to the scope of this standard or this >>>combination of standards. >>> >>>-as implying that the Standards route (self certification) in >>the UK EMC >>>Regulations stands as a viable route to Compliance. >>> >>Clause 2 of Annex IV effectively **prevents** you claiming that you have >>'applied' a standard unless you have applied **to the letter** not only >>that standard but all the standards it refers to. Thus you can't apply >>clause 3 of Annex IV at all. >> >>In any case, what Clause 3 says, in effect, is that if an essential >>requirement is not dealt with in, for example, the relevant product- >>family standard, you have to trawl through all the other EMC standards >>notified in the OJEC looking for one that *does* cover that essential >>requirement. For instance, it appears to mean that though there are no >>EDS tests called up in EN55020, you have to do ESD tests on a TV set, >>presumably by applying another standard, one that doesn't include TV >>sets in its scope! >> >>I think you have put your finger on another BIG problem. The clause was >>almost certainly written with EN61000-3-2 or -12 and -3 or -11 in mind: >>they have to be applied in addition to the relevant EN55xxx product- >>family standards. But by people not seeing all the possibilities raised >>by the text as written, a big new problem has been created. >>-- >>Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. Phone +44 (0)1268 747839 >>Fax +44 (0)1268 777124. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Foxhunters >>suffer from >>tallyhosis. PLEASE do not mail copies of newsgroup posts to me. >> >>--- >>This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety >>Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. >> >>Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ >> >>To cancel your subscription, send mail to: >> majord...@ieee.org >>with the single line: >> unsubscribe emc-pstc >> >>For help, send mail to the list administrators: >> Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org >> Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net >> >>For policy questions, send mail to: >> Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org >> Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org >> >>All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: >>http://www.rcic.com/ click on "Virtual Conference Hall," >> >>--- >>This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety >>Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. >> >>Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ >> >>To cancel your subscription, sen
Re: SLIM
In message <002301c0a16a$27dbdea0$9641c0c1@oemcomputer> "Brian Jones" writes: > The seventh draft of the revised EMC Directive has been produced by the > European Commission for discussion at the meeting of the EMC Working Party > on 6-7 March 2001. This meeting of member state governments (with some > representation from industry) is one of a regular series, the SLIM Working > Group having held its last meeting in November 2000 with EMCD2000.6 being > the final outcome. > > The main change in 2000.7 is the removal of the various options. The > options selected in 2000.7 are FI2, NB1, ED1, ENV3 and HS1. These are of > course open to debate and change at the meeting. In my view two of the option selections are seriously mistaken and I hope those able to "debate and (hopefully) change" will reconsider them: The adoption of ED1 rather than ED2: The phrase "technically competent" could become an excuse for introducing licensing or registration. As well as increasing the cost of compliance, the possibility of different licensing/registration criteria applying in different Member States would constitute a barrier to trade. More important, the adoption of HS1 is seriously wrong as it mandates the use of "the methods the harmonised standard describes or refers to" without provision for the use of equivalent or newly evolved methods that may be simpler, cheaper and/or use existing test equipment rather than that mandated in the standard. Bill Lyons -- Bill Lyons - b...@lyons.demon.co.uk / w.ly...@ieee.org Claude Lyons Limited, Brook Road, Waltham Cross, Herts EN8 7LR, UK Tel: +44 1992 768 888 http://www.lyons.demon.co.uk Fax: +44 1992 769 849 http://www.claudelyons.co.uk --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on "Virtual Conference Hall,"
SLIM
Everyone The seventh draft of the revised EMC Directive has been produced by the European Commission for discussion at the meeting of the EMC Working Party on 6-7 March 2001. This meeting of member state governments (with some representation from industry) is one of a regular series, the SLIM Working Group having held its last meeting in November 2000 with EMCD2000.6 being the final outcome. The main change in 2000.7 is the removal of the various options. The options selected in 2000.7 are FI2, NB1, ED1, ENV3 and HS1. These are of course open to debate and change at the meeting. It is available on the European Commission website at http://europa.eu.int/comm/enterprise/electr_equipment/emc/slim/review.htm This site also has the other SLIM documents, including the final report of the Strategic Review Panel for EMC Harmonised Standards and the independent study into some aspects of the EMC Directive. I will be presenting a paper at the 2001 IEEE EMC Symposium in Montreal offering practical guidance in dealing with the revised directive, and I hope to see some of you there. Best wishes Brian Jones EMC Consultant and Competent Body Signatory --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on "Virtual Conference Hall,"
SLIM 7 The latest Document
Hi All The latest SLIM 7 Document is available from our web site under news flash, in pdf format. www.emc-journal.co.uk <http://www.emc-journal.co.uk/> Cheers Alan E Hutley
SLIM Latest 2000.6
The very latest SLIM document can be downloaded from our web site. Just log on and select Newsflash. It is a21 page pdf file. If you prefer I can email it to you in Word. Cheers Alan E Hutley Editor EMC+Compliance Journal www.emc-journal.co.uk <http://www.emc-journal.co.uk/> nutwoo...@msn.com <mailto:nutwoo...@msn.com>
SLIM Draft 5
Hello group, Those of you who are want a official PDF copy of the latest SLIM Draft may download it from: http://europa.eu.int/comm/enterprise/electr_equipment/emc/slim/review.htm Best regards Helge Knudsen Delta Electronics Testing, EMC Venlighedsvej 4, DK-2970 Hoersholm Telephone : +45 45 86 77 22 Fax : +45 45 86 58 98 --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
Re: SLIM - New draft of the EMC Directive
Hi Brian, Would it be possible to briefly describe the modifications made in the new draft? Thanks. Barry Ma --- On Mon, 06 November 2000, "Brian Jones" wrote: > Hi everyone > > The European Commission has produced a further draft of the Directive, > designated EMCD 2000.5, which will be discussed at the next SLIM WG meeting > on 21 November. > > If you would like a copy of the draft for use within your company, send me > an e-mail and I will attach the document (Word 97, about 0.5 MB) as a reply. > > Best wishes > > Brian Jones > EMC Consultant and Competent Body Signatory ___ Free Unlimited Internet Access! Try it now! http://www.zdnet.com/downloads/altavista/index.html ___ --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
SLIM - New draft of the EMC Directive
Hi everyone The European Commission has produced a further draft of the Directive, designated EMCD 2000.5, which will be discussed at the next SLIM WG meeting on 21 November. If you would like a copy of the draft for use within your company, send me an e-mail and I will attach the document (Word 97, about 0.5 MB) as a reply. Best wishes Brian Jones EMC Consultant and Competent Body Signatory --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
Re: SLIM
Hi Gail Is there any possibility that you can let me know who is the "reliable source who attended the June meeting of the EU Commission on the SLIM Initiative..." and what the name of the forum was? I need to trace the forum etc. to determine if the comment has substance as far as the writing of the new Directive is concerned. However, there was no meeting of the SLIM Working Group in June, the meeting following that of February is 3/4 th July. I will let the group know if anything of substance turns up. Regards Tim Haynes --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
Re: SLIM
Gail, and everyone This seems most improbable to me, but just to be sure, I contacted the Department of Trade & Industry here in the UK. The person I contacted has not heard anything to this effect either, but is checking where such a story might have originated. I will post further information as soon as I hear anything. Best wishes Brian Jones EMC Consultant and Competent Body Signatory -Original Message- From: Gail Birdsall To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date: 19 June 2000 19:40 Subject: SLIM > > > > >Greetings Colleagues, > >We heard form a reliable source who attended the June meeting of the EU >Commission on the SLIM Initiative, of discussions to limit the certification >of product family EMC standards to notified (competent?) bodies. If this is >true, it would effectively close the self testing and certification route >for manufacturers required to test to product specific EMC Standards. We >understand that, possibly the Generic Standards route would still be left >open to manufacturers who wish to self declare. > >As you all know, currently where product specific standards exist, they >supercede the Generic Standards. My company has spent hundreds of thousand >of dollars on EMC equipment and facilities to enable us to test and self >declare our products. We originally tested and certified to the Generic >Emissions Immunity Standards, but have recently switched to EN61326:97 >AM1:98. If the above action is true, it would seem to be big victory and >financial windfall for EU test laboratories and designates. At the same >time, it would be a terrible blow to both EU and US manufacturers who >invested heavily in test capability to self declare their products. > >Does anyone know of the validity of the SLIM action to require testing of >product specific standards such as EN 61326 by Notified bodies? It has >always been my understanding that the SLIM Initiative was to make things >easier not more complicated and expensive by requiring 3rd party testing. >Can anyone tell me if it is truly the plan of the EU Commission to take away >self testing and declaration? We have heard that the new EMC Directive >incorporating the SLIM Initiative recommendations may be out as early as the >end of the year. > >Thank-you for your input/s > >Gail Birdsall >Hach Co. > > >--- >This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety >Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. > >To cancel your subscription, send mail to: > majord...@ieee.org >with the single line: > unsubscribe emc-pstc > >For help, send mail to the list administrators: > Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com > Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org > >For policy questions, send mail to: > Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org > > > --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
Re: SLIM
Bonjour de Montreal, I'm also very skeptical about this since the tendency is Europe is to de-regulate. If you look at the new RTTE Directive you will see that Notify Bodies will only produce "advices" to the manufacturer, no type approval anymore. I wonder how the EMC Directive could manage to make that change without big complains from manufacturers (including us). Best regards, -- Benoît Nadeau, ing. M.ing (P.eng., M.eng.) Conformity Group Manager Matrox 1055, boul. St-Regis Dorval (Québec) Canada H9P 2T4 Tel: (514) 822-6000 (x2475) Fax: (514) 822-6275 Chairman 2001 IEEE EMC International Symposium on Electromagnetic Compatibility Montreal August 13 to 17, 2001 -- At 12:07 PM 6/20/2000 -0500, eric.lif...@ni.com wrote: > >List Chums, > >I just love getting inflammatory tidbits from the List, and, since nobody else >has commented yet... > >Last October we completed our own full compliance lab for EN 61326 as well, an >investment at that time of about 250k USD (not counting equipment we already >had, about 100k worth). The lab has already paid for itself (this week in >fact). Though we'd be pretty irate to see it reduced to a mere precompliance >lab: we're kinda proud of our solid aluminum 10 m OATS and the thousands of >pre-drilled holes and self-tapping screws spaced every 5.1 cm (2 inches) we used >to build it. > >I suspect the SLIM comment was taken out of context. I think we can all imagine >the many and political, financial, trade effects and their very serious >consequences, such as it might kill the US/EU MRA - if I had a vote on the >matter > >It'd absolutely convince industry and corporate leaders that the regulatory >world had gone insane, something they already suspect. > >Regards, >Eric Lifsey >Compliance Manager >National Instruments > > > > > >Please respond to Gail Birdsall > >To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org >cc:(bcc: Eric Lifsey/AUS/NIC) >Subject: SLIM > > >Greetings Colleagues, > >We heard form a reliable source who attended the June meeting of the EU >Commission on the SLIM Initiative, of discussions to limit the certification >of product family EMC standards to notified (competent?) bodies. If this is >true, it would effectively close the self testing and certification route >for manufacturers required to test to product specific EMC Standards. We >understand that, possibly the Generic Standards route would still be left >open to manufacturers who wish to self declare. > >As you all know, currently where product specific standards exist, they >supercede the Generic Standards. My company has spent hundreds of thousand >of dollars on EMC equipment and facilities to enable us to test and self >declare our products. We originally tested and certified to the Generic >Emissions Immunity Standards, but have recently switched to EN61326:97 >AM1:98. If the above action is true, it would seem to be big victory and >financial windfall for EU test laboratories and designates. At the same >time, it would be a terrible blow to both EU and US manufacturers who >invested heavily in test capability to self declare their products. > >Does anyone know of the validity of the SLIM action to require testing of >product specific standards such as EN 61326 by Notified bodies? It has >always been my understanding that the SLIM Initiative was to make things >easier not more complicated and expensive by requiring 3rd party testing. >Can anyone tell me if it is truly the plan of the EU Commission to take away >self testing and declaration? We have heard that the new EMC Directive >incorporating the SLIM Initiative recommendations may be out as early as the >end of the year. > >Thank-you for your input/s > >Gail Birdsall >Hach Co. > > > > > >--- >This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety >Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. > >To cancel your subscription, send mail to: > majord...@ieee.org >with the single line: > unsubscribe emc-pstc > >For help, send mail to the list administrators: > Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com > Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org > >For policy questions, send mail to: > Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org > > > > -- Benoit Nadeau, ing. M.ing. (P.Eng., M.Eng) Gerant du Groupe Conformite (Conformity Group Manager) Matrox <http://www.matrox.com/> -- 1055, boul. St-Regis Dorval (Quebec) Canada
Re: SLIM
List Chums, I just love getting inflammatory tidbits from the List, and, since nobody else has commented yet... Last October we completed our own full compliance lab for EN 61326 as well, an investment at that time of about 250k USD (not counting equipment we already had, about 100k worth). The lab has already paid for itself (this week in fact). Though we'd be pretty irate to see it reduced to a mere precompliance lab: we're kinda proud of our solid aluminum 10 m OATS and the thousands of pre-drilled holes and self-tapping screws spaced every 5.1 cm (2 inches) we used to build it. I suspect the SLIM comment was taken out of context. I think we can all imagine the many and political, financial, trade effects and their very serious consequences, such as it might kill the US/EU MRA - if I had a vote on the matter It'd absolutely convince industry and corporate leaders that the regulatory world had gone insane, something they already suspect. Regards, Eric Lifsey Compliance Manager National Instruments Please respond to Gail Birdsall To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org cc:(bcc: Eric Lifsey/AUS/NIC) Subject: SLIM Greetings Colleagues, We heard form a reliable source who attended the June meeting of the EU Commission on the SLIM Initiative, of discussions to limit the certification of product family EMC standards to notified (competent?) bodies. If this is true, it would effectively close the self testing and certification route for manufacturers required to test to product specific EMC Standards. We understand that, possibly the Generic Standards route would still be left open to manufacturers who wish to self declare. As you all know, currently where product specific standards exist, they supercede the Generic Standards. My company has spent hundreds of thousand of dollars on EMC equipment and facilities to enable us to test and self declare our products. We originally tested and certified to the Generic Emissions Immunity Standards, but have recently switched to EN61326:97 AM1:98. If the above action is true, it would seem to be big victory and financial windfall for EU test laboratories and designates. At the same time, it would be a terrible blow to both EU and US manufacturers who invested heavily in test capability to self declare their products. Does anyone know of the validity of the SLIM action to require testing of product specific standards such as EN 61326 by Notified bodies? It has always been my understanding that the SLIM Initiative was to make things easier not more complicated and expensive by requiring 3rd party testing. Can anyone tell me if it is truly the plan of the EU Commission to take away self testing and declaration? We have heard that the new EMC Directive incorporating the SLIM Initiative recommendations may be out as early as the end of the year. Thank-you for your input/s Gail Birdsall Hach Co. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
SLIM
Greetings Colleagues, We heard form a reliable source who attended the June meeting of the EU Commission on the SLIM Initiative, of discussions to limit the certification of product family EMC standards to notified (competent?) bodies. If this is true, it would effectively close the self testing and certification route for manufacturers required to test to product specific EMC Standards. We understand that, possibly the Generic Standards route would still be left open to manufacturers who wish to self declare. As you all know, currently where product specific standards exist, they supercede the Generic Standards. My company has spent hundreds of thousand of dollars on EMC equipment and facilities to enable us to test and self declare our products. We originally tested and certified to the Generic Emissions Immunity Standards, but have recently switched to EN61326:97 AM1:98. If the above action is true, it would seem to be big victory and financial windfall for EU test laboratories and designates. At the same time, it would be a terrible blow to both EU and US manufacturers who invested heavily in test capability to self declare their products. Does anyone know of the validity of the SLIM action to require testing of product specific standards such as EN 61326 by Notified bodies? It has always been my understanding that the SLIM Initiative was to make things easier not more complicated and expensive by requiring 3rd party testing. Can anyone tell me if it is truly the plan of the EU Commission to take away self testing and declaration? We have heard that the new EMC Directive incorporating the SLIM Initiative recommendations may be out as early as the end of the year. Thank-you for your input/s Gail Birdsall Hach Co. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
Re: Results of SLIM Recommendations
Joe: check this web site: http://europa.eu.int/comm/dg03/directs/dg3d/d1/eleng/index.htm it's all there. click on emc, then click on slim. bottom line: they are going to review the emc directive. ( no surprise there.) Lou . LOUIS T. GNECCO M.S.E.E., PRESIDENT TEMPEST INC. 112 ELDEN ST. HERNDON, VA 20170 (703) "TEMPEST" (836-7378) CERTIFIED ELECTROMAGNETIC COMPATIBILITY ENGINEER: CERT.# EMC-000543-NE CERTIFIED ELECTROSTATIC DISCHARGE CONTROL ENGINEER: CERT. # ESD-00143-NE CERTIFIED TEMPEST PROFESSIONAL, LEVEL II .. At 04:02 PM 10/5/1999 -0700, you wrote: > > > >Is anyone aware of the results of the SLIM III recommendations per the "Report >of the SLIM III Team on Electromagnetic Compatibility Directive (89/336/EEC as >amended)" dated 9/98. I had heard that the Commission was going to produce a >"Communication" to the Council of Ministers and the European Parliament earlier >this year. > >I am particularly interested in the CE+CE=CE issue. > >All responses are appreciated > >Regards > >Joe Martin >EMC/Product Safety Engineer >marti...@pebio.com > > > >- >This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. >To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org >with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the >quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, >jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or >roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). > > - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
Results of SLIM Recommendations
Is anyone aware of the results of the SLIM III recommendations per the "Report of the SLIM III Team on Electromagnetic Compatibility Directive (89/336/EEC as amended)" dated 9/98. I had heard that the Commission was going to produce a "Communication" to the Council of Ministers and the European Parliament earlier this year. I am particularly interested in the CE+CE=CE issue. All responses are appreciated Regards Joe Martin EMC/Product Safety Engineer marti...@pebio.com - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
Re: Fw: Re: SLIM III
Bob As far as I can remember he said that the document was being issued for comment. Once this had been done and the comments recieved and reviewed it would be passed to the council of ministers for ratification. It appeared though that it would be issued as a whole not in parts. If you want more info a guy called David Eardley at the DTi is the man, his e.mail is david.eard...@tidv.dti.gov.uk Regards Brian Harlowe * opinions expressed here are personal and in no way reflect the position of VG Scientific - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
Re: Fw: Re: SLIM III
Brian, did he indicated which parts of SLIM might be implemented or was he indicating that the entire SLIM recommendations might be implemented? Bob Heller Senior EMC Engineer 3M Company == (Embedded image moved "Brian Harlowe" to file: 12/11/98 02:58 AM pic04688.pcx) Please respond to "Brian Harlowe" To: ed.pr...@cubic.com cc: emc-p...@ieee.org (bcc: Robert E. Heller/US-Corporate/3M/US) Subject: Re: Fw: Re: SLIM III Hi Ed and group I attended a meeting at ERA technology here in the UK on Monday. They are one of the leaders on the legislation/standards associated with the various directives associated with the EU. One of there people who sits on the various committees gave us a briefing on SLIM and stated that in his opinion it would be 4 years before it might be implemented. Brian Harlowe * opinions expressed here are personal and in no way reflect the position of VG Scientific - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). pic04688.pcx Description: Binary data
Re: Fw: Re: SLIM III
Hi Ed and group I attended a meeting at ERA technology here in the UK on Monday. They are one of the leaders on the legislation/standards associated with the various directives associated with the EU. One of there people who sits on the various committees gave us a briefing on SLIM and stated that in his opinion it would be 4 years before it might be implemented. Brian Harlowe * opinions expressed here are personal and in no way reflect the position of VG Scientific - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
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Sorry - this reply should have been copied to everyone in the discussion
group.
Best wishes
Brian Jones
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rehel...@mmm.com wrote:
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> Is anyone aware of a response yet to the report of the SLIM III Team? I had
> heard that a response would be issued in November ('98).
>
Hi everyone
The European Commission has not yet produced its "Communication" response
to the final SLIM report (due early November). I understand from the
Department of Trade and Industry here in the UK that it should be
available around the end of the year. I'm not sure when the Council of
Ministers and the European Parliament will be able to respond to it.
Best wishes
Brian Jones
EMC Consultant and Competent Body Signatory
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Fw: Re: SLIM III
Forwarded to EMC-PSTC for Brian:
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Subject: Re: SLIM III
Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 18:30:04 -0800
To: rehel...@mmm.com
rehel...@mmm.com wrote:
>
> Is anyone aware of a response yet to the report of the SLIM III Team? I had
> heard that a response would be issued in November ('98).
>
Hi everyone
The European Commission has not yet produced its "Communication" response
to the final SLIM report (due early November). I understand from the
Department of Trade and Industry here in the UK that it should be
available around the end of the year. I'm not sure when the Council of
Ministers and the European Parliament will be able to respond to it.
Best wishes
Brian Jones
EMC Consultant and Competent Body Signatory
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SLIM (Again)
Well, attaching it didn't work (The server filtered it because it had an attachment). I'm still getting requests every 5 to 10 minutes so now I've placed it on the RCIC web site (thanks to Monty Griffith). Just Go Here http://www.rcic.com/ and click the button that says download. The file name is Emc_sl~2.doc. Keith L. Nicholas Manager, Electrical Controls AMP Incorporated, Automachine Systems Group Mail Stop: 161-39 * (717) 810-2601 * (717) 810-2443 * keith.nicho...@amp.com - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
RE: SLIM
You should post it in the contributed document section of the RCIC. Monty Griffith Senior Product Safety Engineer Intergraph Computer System Huntsville, AL 35894-0001 PH: (256) 730-6017 FX: (256) 730-6239 http://mecsrv.b29.ingr.com > -Original Message- > From: Nicholas, Keith L [SMTP:keith.nicho...@amp.com] > Sent: Friday, October 09, 1998 6:56 AM > To: 'emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org' > Subject: SLIM > > I have an electronic (WORD) copy of the SLIM document. > > REPORT OF THE SLIM III TEAM ON THE > ELECTROMAGNETIC COMPATIBILITY DIRECTIVE > (89/336/EEC as amended) > > Please email me if you would like a copy. > > Keith L. Nicholas > Manager, Electrical Controls > AMP Incorporated, Automachine Systems Group > Mail Stop: 161-39 > * (717) 810-2601 > * (717) 810-2443 > * keith.nicho...@amp.com > > > > > - > This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. > To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org > with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the > quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, > j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or > roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
SLIM
I have an electronic (WORD) copy of the SLIM document. REPORT OF THE SLIM III TEAM ON THE ELECTROMAGNETIC COMPATIBILITY DIRECTIVE (89/336/EEC as amended) Please email me if you would like a copy. Keith L. Nicholas Manager, Electrical Controls AMP Incorporated, Automachine Systems Group Mail Stop: 161-39 * (717) 810-2601 * (717) 810-2443 * keith.nicho...@amp.com - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
RE: SLIM Committee
I am not sure of the appropriate web site, but the SLIM committee has issued its final report on the EMC directive. It includes 20 specific recommendations. VERY briefly, it encourages the Commission to evaluate existing standards and set up review processes for new ones, with a view towards minimizing duplication. In the same vein, it encourages the inclusion of basic EMC requirements IN the directive, rather than the current minimal 'essential' requirements. It also recommends the consideration of installation environments for large machines, rather than arbitrarily imposing the same requirements on all. I only have a hard copy, so if anyone would like a copy, please e-mail me directly and I will get it out to you. Bob Martin Sr. Technical Manager Intertek Testing Services (978)263-2662 fax(978)263-7086 r...@itsqs.com The opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily those of my employer. -Original Message- From: rehel...@mmm.com [SMTP:rehel...@mmm.com] Sent: Thursday, October 08, 1998 10:38 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: SLIM Committee Does anyone know of a webstite that shows the activities and status of the SLIM committee's activities? Bob Heller Sr. EMC Eng. 3M Co. - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). <>
SLIM Committee
Does anyone know of a webstite that shows the activities and status of the SLIM committee's activities? Bob Heller Sr. EMC Eng. 3M Co. - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
