RE: EC Official Journal Railway EN 50121-4

[emc-p...@ieee.org]

Hello Jan,

 

AC:2008 is Corrigendum to EN 50121-4:2006 issued May 2008.

It replaces the old EMC Directive (89/336/EEC) with the new EMC Directive
(2004/108/EC) and inform that other requirements may be applicable. 

Text:

Corrigendum to EN 50121-4:2006

English version

___

Foreword

Replace in the last paragraph "89/336/EEC" with "2004/108/EC".

Annex ZZ

Replace by:

Annex ZZ

(informative)

Coverage of Essential Requirements of EC Directives

This European Standard has been prepared under a mandate given to CENELEC by
the European

Commission and the European Free Trade Association and within its scope the
standard covers all relevant

essential requirements as given in Annex I, Article 1(b) of the EC Directive
2004/108/EC.

Compliance with this standard provides one means of conformity with the
specified essential requirements of

the Directive concerned.

WARNING: Other requirements and other EC Directives may be applicable to the
products falling within the

scope of this standard.

___

May 2008

 

You can get the document for free.

 

Best regards

 

Helge Knudsen

Bolls Rådgivning

Denmark

 

From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Mobers Jan
(ST-VS/ENG1)
Sent: 28. juli 2011 06:24
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: EC Official Journal Railway EN 50121-4

 

 

Dear readers.

 

In the current EC Official Journal under EMC:  

 

http://ec.europa.eu/enterprise/policies
european-standards/documents/harmonised
standards-legislation/list-references/e
ectromagnetic-compatibility/index_en.htm

 

Is made for the EMC Railway standard EN 50121-4:2006 a reference to another
document: EN 50121-4:2006/AC:2008.

 

Please can someone explain me the abbreviation of AC:2008 and what is the
content of it.

 

Many thanks in advance

 

Jan Mobers

 

 

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RE: EC Official Journal Railway EN 50121-4

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`The abbreviation ‘AC’ refers to the existence of a Corrigendum to the
associated base standard.

 

CENELEC recommended to the Commission a few months back that Corrigenda should
be included in the OJ. Following subsequent debate with other stakeholders the
commission have agreed to publish a note to the relevant OJ listings advising
that the Corrigenda do not need to be listed on a supplier’s CE DoC.

 

Brian

 

Brian McAuliffe

Global Regulations & Standards

Dell | Worldwide Regulatory Compliance 

 

 

From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Mobers Jan
(ST-VS/ENG1)
Sent: 28 July 2011 07:24
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: EC Official Journal Railway EN 50121-4

 

 

Dear readers.

 

In the current EC Official Journal under EMC:  

 

http://ec.europa.eu/enterprise/policies
european-standards/documents/harmonised
standards-legislation/list-references/e
ectromagnetic-compatibility/index_en.htm

 

Is made for the EMC Railway standard EN 50121-4:2006 a reference to another
document: EN 50121-4:2006/AC:2008.

 

Please can someone explain me the abbreviation of AC:2008 and what is the
content of it.

 

Many thanks in advance

 

Jan Mobers

 

 

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EC Official Journal Railway EN 50121-4

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Dear readers.
 
In the current EC Official Journal under EMC:  
 
http://ec.europa.eu/enterprise/policies
european-standards/documents/harmonised
standards-legislation/list-references/e
ectromagnetic-compatibility/index_en.htm
<http://ec.europa.eu/enterprise/policie
/european-standards/documents/harmonise
-standards-legislation/list-references/
lectromagnetic-compatibility/index_en.htm> 
 
Is made for the EMC Railway standard EN 50121-4:2006 a reference to another
document: EN 50121-4:2006/AC:2008.
 
Please can someone explain me the abbreviation of AC:2008 and what is the
content of it.
 
Many thanks in advance
 
Jan Mobers
 
 
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New list of EMC standards in the Official Journal of the European Union

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Everyone

 

A new list was published in the OJ today, see

 

http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/Lex
riServ.do?uri=OJ:C:2011:059:0001:0019:EN:PDF 

 

Best wishes

 

Brian   

 

Brian Jones

EMC Consultant

 

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Latest list of EMC standards in the Official Journal of the European Union

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Everyone

The recent list of harmonised standards published in the OJEU as a PDF file
omits several dates of cessation of presumption of conformity for
amendments.  If taken literally, this would mean that the amendments become
applicable immediately for the presumption of conformity to be maintained.

The omission of these dates is an error.  The European Commission is aware
of this and intends to publish a corrected list as soon as possible (no date
has been quoted).

There is no official guidance on what should be done in the meantime, but my
personal view is don't panic.  Manufacturers could use the previous dates -
there has been no intention to change any of them since the dates of EN
55022 were changed.  Ironically the dates for that standard have been
corrected in the latest list.

If a DoC needs to be issued before the list is corrected, the supporting
technical documentation should explain the reasons for the selection of the
editions of the standards and amendments applied.

The previous dates are still shown on the html page
http://ec.europa.eu/enterprise/policies/european-standards/documents/harmoni
sed-standards-legislation/list-references/electromagnetic-compatibility/inde
x_en.htm which as of today has not yet been updated.

Best wishes

Brian  

Brian Jones
EMC Consultant 

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RE: New lists of harmonised standards in the Official Journal - EMC and LVD

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Piotr, everyone

 

Yes, I agree that the change of web addresses is frustrating.  The new EMCD
legislation page is here

 

http://europa.eu/scadplus/leg/en/lvb/l21008a.htm 

 

although the following still works

 

http://ec.europa.eu/enterprise/electr_equipment/emc/index.htm but as you say,
the sidebar link to standards produces an out of date reference.

 

The harmonised standards page http://ec
europa.eu/enterprise/newapproach/standardization/harmstds/reflist/emc.html 

is showing the 2008 list.  It usually takes a few days for the html list to be
updated to reflect the publication of a new list in the OJ.  When the html
list is updated, the links to the OJ page in the various languages are also
updated.

 

Best wishes

 

Brian

 

Brian Jones

EMC Consultant

 



From: Piotr Galka [mailto:piotr.ga...@micromade.pl] 
Sent: 09 June 2009 09:52
To: EMC-PSTC; Brian Jones
Subject: Re: New lists of harmonised standards in the Official Journal - EMC
and LVD

 

Brian,

 

Thank you for the information.

 

Following it I found that I have difficulty to find anything at the eu page.
The difficulty is only the part of the problem. The bigger is that I can find
something which looks current even if it is obsolete. How can I believe in
anything I find there ?

Am I alone with problems to find there anything ?

 

The end of my frustration was the following mail I have send to
e...@ec.europa.eu :

=

Please let me know the address of the current EMC directive page.

 

All my eu links (collected during several years) get me to the:

http://ec.europa.eu/old-address-ec.htm

 

After long searching I found only some obsolete address: 

http://ec.europa.eu/enterprise/electr_equipment/emc/index.htm

>from which selecting from the menu at the left side: "EMC standardisation" I
get to the EMC harmonised standards from 25.9.2007.

 

I'm sure it is obsolete because I have at my PC the list from 4.11.2008 so I
suppose somewhere there must be newer EMC directive page I can't find because
my links don't work.

 

The best for me would be the step by step menu selections to get from:

http://ec.europa.eu/

to the EMC, LVD, R&TTE, ROHS, WEEE directives pages.

 

My understanding is that at current page of each directive I will find the
link to current list of harmonised standards. Am I right ?

 

Best Regards

 

Piotr Galka

MicroMade

Poland

 

==

 

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From: Brian Jones <mailto:e...@brianjones.co.uk>  

To: emc-p...@ieee.org 

Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 6:21 PM

Subject: New lists of harmonised standards in the Official Journal - 
EMC and
LVD

 

Everyone

 

New lists of harmonised standards were published on 5 June 2009, and 
may be
downloaded from here

 

http://eur-lex.europa.eu/JOHtml.do?uri=OJ:C:2009:126:SOM:EN:HTML 

 

Best wishes

 

Brian   

 

Brian Jones

EMC Consultant

 

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Re: New lists of harmonised standards in the Official Journal - EMC and LVD

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I think you find this is the Link you are looking for

http://eur-lex.europa.eu/JOHtml.do?uri=OJ:C:2009:126:SOM:EN:HTML

Cheers
Alan E Hutley
The EMC Journal




Brian,


Thank you for the information.
 
Following it I found that I have difficulty to find anything at the eu page.
The difficulty is only the part of the problem. The bigger is that I can find
something which looks current even if it is obsolete. How can I believe in
anything I find there ?
Am I alone with problems to find there anything ?
 
The end of my frustration was the following mail I have send to
e...@ec.europa.eu :
=
Please let me know the address of the current EMC directive page.
 
All my eu links (collected during several years) get me to the:
http://ec.europa.eu/old-address-ec.htm
 
After long searching I found only some obsolete address:
http://ec.europa.eu/enterprise/electr_equipment/emc/index.htm
>from which selecting from the menu at the left side: "EMC standardisation" I
get to the EMC harmonised standards from 25.9.2007.
 
I'm sure it is obsolete because I have at my PC the list from 4.11.2008 so I
suppose somewhere there must be newer EMC directive page I can't find because
my links don't work.
 
The best for me would be the step by step menu selections to get from:
http://ec.europa.eu/
to the EMC, LVD, R&TTE, ROHS, WEEE directives pages.
 
My understanding is that at current page of each directive I will find the
link to current list of harmonised standards. Am I right ?
 
Best Regards
 
Piotr Galka
MicroMade
Poland
 
==
 

From:Brian Jones
To:emc-p...@ieee.org
Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 6:21 PM
Subject: New lists of harmonised standards in the Official Journal - EMC and
LVD


Everyone
 
New lists of harmonised standards were published on 5 June 2009, and may be
downloaded from here
 
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/JOHtml.do?uri=OJ:C:2009:126:SOM:EN:HTML
 
Best wishes
 
Brian 
 
Brian Jones
EMC Consultant
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Re: New lists of harmonised standards in the Official Journal - EMC and LVD

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Brian,
 
Thank you for the information.
 
Following it I found that I have difficulty to find anything at the eu page.
The difficulty is only the part of the problem. The bigger is that I can find
something which looks current even if it is obsolete. How can I believe in
anything I find there ?
Am I alone with problems to find there anything ?
 
The end of my frustration was the following mail I have send to
e...@ec.europa.eu :
=
Please let me know the address of the current EMC directive page.
 
All my eu links (collected during several years) get me to the:
http://ec.europa.eu/old-address-ec.htm
 
After long searching I found only some obsolete address: 
http://ec.europa.eu/enterprise/electr_equipment/emc/index.htm
>from which selecting from the menu at the left side: "EMC standardisation" I
get to the EMC harmonised standards from 25.9.2007.
 
I'm sure it is obsolete because I have at my PC the list from 4.11.2008 so I
suppose somewhere there must be newer EMC directive page I can't find because
my links don't work.
 
The best for me would be the step by step menu selections to get from:
http://ec.europa.eu/
to the EMC, LVD, R&TTE, ROHS, WEEE directives pages.
 
My understanding is that at current page of each directive I will find the
link to current list of harmonised standards. Am I right ?
 
Best Regards
 
Piotr Galka
MicroMade
Poland
 
==
 

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From: Brian Jones <mailto:e...@brianjones.co.uk>  
To: emc-p...@ieee.org 
Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 6:21 PM
Subject: New lists of harmonised standards in the Official Journal - 
EMC and
LVD



Everyone

 

New lists of harmonised standards were published on 5 June 2009, and 
may be
downloaded from here

 

http://eur-lex.europa.eu/JOHtml.do?uri=OJ:C:2009:126:SOM:EN:HTML 

 

Best wishes

 

Brian   

 

Brian Jones

EMC Consultant

 

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Everyone

 

New lists of harmonised standards were published on 5 June 2009, and may be
downloaded from here

 

http://eur-lex.europa.eu/JOHtml.do?uri=OJ:C:2009:126:SOM:EN:HTML 

 

Best wishes

 

Brian   

 

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RE: EN 300386 - RE: New Official Journal list of EMC standards

[Carpentier Kristiaan]

William

 

The date of latest announcement is not related to the publication in the OJ,
but related to announcement by ETSI .

 

Then I notice on the ETSI site that the citation in the OJ is scheduled on
December 2nd, 2008.

12 

Publication 

PU 

  

2008-04-25 

2008-04-28 

1.4.1 

12 V 

Delivery to the EC 

  

  

2008-07-28 

2008-09-09 

  

12 W 

Citation in the OJ 

  

  

2008-12-02 

  

 

 

 

Kind regards,

 

Kris Carpentier

Regulatory & Approvals

 



From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of SYKES WILLIAM
T-WRQ876
Sent: donderdag 6 november 2008 17:17
To: emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: RE: EN 300386 - RE: New Official Journal list of EMC standards

 

EN 300 386 is not, and has never has been, listed in the R&TTE OJ.  The R&TTE
OJ dated June 3, 2008 jumps from EN 300 373-3 to EN 300 390-2. 

 

As Kris stated below, the scope of EN 300 386 is for Telecommunications
Network Equipment (TNE), not Telecommunications Terminal Equipment (TTE).

 

Additionally, from the EN 300386 v1.4.1 Foreword, "The present document is
intended to become a Harmonized Standard, the reference of which will be
published in the Official Journal of the European Communities referencing the
Council Directive on the approximation of the laws of the Member States
relating to electromagnetic compatibility ("the EMC Directive") (89/336/EEC
[49] as amended and 2004/108/EC [52])."

 

Therefore, EN 300 386 is not intended for the R&TTE Directive.

 

Which still begs the question, why are EN 300 386 versions v1.2.1, v1.3.1,
v1.3.2, and v1.3.3 still listed in the EMC OJ as simultaneously valid
standards, while v1.4.1, "adopted" in April 2008, and supposedly has a “Date
of latest announcement of this EN (doa)” of 31 July 2008, not listed in an
EMC OJ published in November 2008? 

 

William T. Sykes

Compliance Engineer

Motorola Home & Networks Mobility

101 Tournament Drive

Horsham, PA 19044

215-323-2619

william.t.sy...@motorola.com 

 



From: Pearson, John [mailto:john.pear...@polycom.com] 
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 8:02 AM
To: Carpentier Kristiaan; Barker, Neil; SYKES WILLIAM T-WRQ876;
emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: RE: EN 300386 - RE: New Official Journal list of EMC standards

There is equipment that is both

 



From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Carpentier
Kristiaan
Sent: 06 November 2008 13:00
To: Barker, Neil; SYKES WILLIAM T-WRQ876; emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: RE: EN 300386 - RE: New Official Journal list of EMC standards

Neil,

This question has been raised a few times in the past years: 300386 excludes
terminal equipment beyond the NTP (ref. scope)

 

Kind regards,

 

Kris Carpentier

Regulatory & Approvals

 



From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Barker, Neil
Sent: donderdag 6 november 2008 12:04
To: 'SYKES WILLIAM T-WRQ876'; emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: RE: EN 300386 - RE: New Official Journal list of EMC standards

 

William

 

I would expect that this standard is listed under the R&TTE Directive, not the
EMC Directive, even though it is an EMC standard; it is primarily an R&TTE
standard.

 

Neil Barker

Manager

Central Quality

 

e2v

106 Waterhouse Lane, Chelmsford, Essex, CM1 2QU, England

Tel: +44 (0)1245 453616

Mobile:   +44 (0)7801 723735

Fax:+44 (0)1245 453571

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From: SYKES WILLIAM T-WRQ876 [mailto:william.t.sy...@motorola.com] 
Sent: 05 November 2008 18:36
To: emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: EN 300386 - RE: New Official Journal list of EMC standards

All:

EN 300 386 V1.4.1 (04-2008) Electromagnetic compatibility and radio spectrum
matters (ERM) — Telecommunication network equipment — Electromagnetic
compatibility (EMC) requirements is missing from the list.  

This ETSI standard list the following dates (I hope this copied table passes
without corruption!):

 

National transposition dates 

Date of adoption of this EN: 

11 April 2008 

Date of latest announcement of this EN (doa): 

31 July 2008 

Date of latest publication of new National Standard 

 

or endorsement of this EN (dop/e): 

31 January 2009 

Date of withdrawal of any conflicting National Standard (dow): 

31 July 2011 

Based on the dates above, should this one have been listed, eventually
superseding v1.2.1, v1.3.1, v1.3.2, and v1.3.3 (all supposedly still
simultaneously valid)?

Is EN 300 386 V1.4.1 usable as a Harmonized Standard giving a presumption of
conformity, or wait until published?

William T. Sykes

Compliance Engineer

Motorola Home & Networks Mobility

101 Tournament Drive

Horsham, PA 19044

215-323-2619

william.t.sy...@motorola.com 

 

 

RE: EN 300386 - RE: New Official Journal list of EMC standards

[SYKES WILLIAM T-WRQ876]

EN 300 386 is not, and has never has been, listed in the R&TTE OJ.  The R&TTE
OJ dated June 3, 2008 jumps from EN 300 373-3 to EN 300 390-2. 
 
As Kris stated below, the scope of EN 300 386 is for Telecommunications
Network Equipment (TNE), not Telecommunications Terminal Equipment (TTE).
 
Additionally, from the EN 300386 v1.4.1 Foreword, "The present document is
intended to become a Harmonized Standard, the reference of which will be
published in the Official Journal of the European Communities referencing the
Council Directive on the approximation of the laws of the Member States
relating to electromagnetic compatibility ("the EMC Directive") (89/336/EEC
[49] as amended and 2004/108/EC [52])."
 
Therefore, EN 300 386 is not intended for the R&TTE Directive.
 
Which still begs the question, why are EN 300 386 versions v1.2.1, v1.3.1,
v1.3.2, and v1.3.3 still listed in the EMC OJ as simultaneously valid
standards, while v1.4.1, "adopted" in April 2008, and supposedly has a “Date
of latest announcement of this EN (doa)” of 31 July 2008, not listed in an
EMC OJ published in November 2008? 

 

William T. Sykes
Compliance Engineer
Motorola Home & Networks Mobility
101 Tournament Drive
Horsham, PA 19044
215-323-2619
william.t.sy...@motorola.com 



From: Pearson, John [mailto:john.pear...@polycom.com] 
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 8:02 AM
To: Carpentier Kristiaan; Barker, Neil; SYKES WILLIAM T-WRQ876;
emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: RE: EN 300386 - RE: New Official Journal list of EMC standards


There is equipment that is both



From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Carpentier
Kristiaan
Sent: 06 November 2008 13:00
To: Barker, Neil; SYKES WILLIAM T-WRQ876; emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: RE: EN 300386 - RE: New Official Journal list of EMC standards



Neil,

This question has been raised a few times in the past years: 300386 excludes
terminal equipment beyond the NTP (ref. scope)

 

Kind regards,

 

Kris Carpentier

Regulatory & Approvals

 



From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Barker, Neil
Sent: donderdag 6 november 2008 12:04
To: 'SYKES WILLIAM T-WRQ876'; emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: RE: EN 300386 - RE: New Official Journal list of EMC standards

 

William

 

I would expect that this standard is listed under the R&TTE Directive, not the
EMC Directive, even though it is an EMC standard; it is primarily an R&TTE
standard.

 

Neil Barker

Manager

Central Quality

 

e2v

106 Waterhouse Lane, Chelmsford, Essex, CM1 2QU, England

Tel: +44 (0)1245 453616

Mobile:   +44 (0)7801 723735

Fax:+44 (0)1245 453571

 www.e2v.com <http://www.e2v.com/> 

 

P Consider the environment: do you really need to print this e mail?

 

 



From: SYKES WILLIAM T-WRQ876 [mailto:william.t.sy...@motorola.com] 
Sent: 05 November 2008 18:36
To: emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: EN 300386 - RE: New Official Journal list of EMC standards

All:

EN 300 386 V1.4.1 (04-2008) Electromagnetic compatibility and radio spectrum
matters (ERM) — Telecommunication network equipment — Electromagnetic
compatibility (EMC) requirements is missing from the list.  

This ETSI standard list the following dates (I hope this copied table passes
without corruption!):

 

National transposition dates 

Date of adoption of this EN: 

11 April 2008 

Date of latest announcement of this EN (doa): 

31 July 2008 

Date of latest publication of new National Standard 

 

or endorsement of this EN (dop/e): 

31 January 2009 

Date of withdrawal of any conflicting National Standard (dow): 

31 July 2011 

Based on the dates above, should this one have been listed, eventually
superseding v1.2.1, v1.3.1, v1.3.2, and v1.3.3 (all supposedly still
simultaneously valid)?

Is EN 300 386 V1.4.1 usable as a Harmonized Standard giving a presumption of
conformity, or wait until published?

William T. Sykes

Compliance Engineer

Motorola Home & Networks Mobility

101 Tournament Drive

Horsham, PA 19044

215-323-2619

william.t.sy...@motorola.com 

 

 



From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Ralph McDiarmid
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 1:13 PM
To: emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: FW: New Official Journal list of EMC standards

 

 EN50178:1997 is missing from this list.  Has it been superseded,  or is it
now a rogue standard?

Ralph McDiarmid, AScT 
Compliance Engineering Group 
Xantrex Technology Inc. 

From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Brian Jones
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 1:23 AM
To: emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: New Official Journal list of EMC standards

 

Everyone

 

A new list of harmonised standards for 2004/108/EC was published in the OJ on
4 November.  It may be downloaded from here

http://eur-lex.

RE: EN 300386 - RE: New Official Journal list of EMC standards

[Pearson, John]

There is equipment that is both



From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Carpentier
Kristiaan
Sent: 06 November 2008 13:00
To: Barker, Neil; SYKES WILLIAM T-WRQ876; emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: RE: EN 300386 - RE: New Official Journal list of EMC standards



Neil,

This question has been raised a few times in the past years: 300386 excludes
terminal equipment beyond the NTP (ref. scope)

 

Kind regards,

 

Kris Carpentier

Regulatory & Approvals

 



From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Barker, Neil
Sent: donderdag 6 november 2008 12:04
To: 'SYKES WILLIAM T-WRQ876'; emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: RE: EN 300386 - RE: New Official Journal list of EMC standards

 

William

 

I would expect that this standard is listed under the R&TTE Directive, not the
EMC Directive, even though it is an EMC standard; it is primarily an R&TTE
standard.

 

Neil Barker

Manager

Central Quality

 

e2v

106 Waterhouse Lane, Chelmsford, Essex, CM1 2QU, England

Tel: +44 (0)1245 453616

Mobile:   +44 (0)7801 723735

Fax:+44 (0)1245 453571

 www.e2v.com <http://www.e2v.com/> 

 

P Consider the environment: do you really need to print this e mail?

 

 



From: SYKES WILLIAM T-WRQ876 [mailto:william.t.sy...@motorola.com] 
Sent: 05 November 2008 18:36
To: emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: EN 300386 - RE: New Official Journal list of EMC standards

All:

EN 300 386 V1.4.1 (04-2008) Electromagnetic compatibility and radio spectrum
matters (ERM) — Telecommunication network equipment — Electromagnetic
compatibility (EMC) requirements is missing from the list.  

This ETSI standard list the following dates (I hope this copied table passes
without corruption!):

 

National transposition dates 

Date of adoption of this EN: 

11 April 2008 

Date of latest announcement of this EN (doa): 

31 July 2008 

Date of latest publication of new National Standard 

 

or endorsement of this EN (dop/e): 

31 January 2009 

Date of withdrawal of any conflicting National Standard (dow): 

31 July 2011 

Based on the dates above, should this one have been listed, eventually
superseding v1.2.1, v1.3.1, v1.3.2, and v1.3.3 (all supposedly still
simultaneously valid)?

Is EN 300 386 V1.4.1 usable as a Harmonized Standard giving a presumption of
conformity, or wait until published?

William T. Sykes

Compliance Engineer

Motorola Home & Networks Mobility

101 Tournament Drive

Horsham, PA 19044

215-323-2619

william.t.sy...@motorola.com 

 

 



From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Ralph McDiarmid
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 1:13 PM
To: emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: FW: New Official Journal list of EMC standards

 

 EN50178:1997 is missing from this list.  Has it been superseded,  or is it
now a rogue standard?

Ralph McDiarmid, AScT 
Compliance Engineering Group 
Xantrex Technology Inc. 

From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Brian Jones
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 1:23 AM
To: emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: New Official Journal list of EMC standards

 

Everyone

 

A new list of harmonised standards for 2004/108/EC was published in the OJ on
4 November.  It may be downloaded from here

http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/Lex
riServ.do?uri=OJ:C:2008:280:0014:0032:EN:PDF 

 

You will see that A1 to EN 55022:2006 has been listed.  It may be used now,
but does not have to be applied until 1 October 2010.

 

Best wishes

 

Brian  

 

Brian Jones

EMC Consultant

 

http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc 


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RE: EN 300386 - RE: New Official Journal list of EMC standards

[Carpentier Kristiaan]

Neil,

This question has been raised a few times in the past years: 300386 excludes
terminal equipment beyond the NTP (ref. scope)

 

Kind regards,

 

Kris Carpentier

Regulatory & Approvals

 



From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Barker, Neil
Sent: donderdag 6 november 2008 12:04
To: 'SYKES WILLIAM T-WRQ876'; emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: RE: EN 300386 - RE: New Official Journal list of EMC standards

 

William

 

I would expect that this standard is listed under the R&TTE Directive, not the
EMC Directive, even though it is an EMC standard; it is primarily an R&TTE
standard.

 

Neil Barker

Manager

Central Quality

 

e2v

106 Waterhouse Lane, Chelmsford, Essex, CM1 2QU, England

Tel: +44 (0)1245 453616

Mobile:   +44 (0)7801 723735

Fax:+44 (0)1245 453571

 www.e2v.com <http://www.e2v.com/> 

 

P Consider the environment: do you really need to print this e mail?

 

 



From: SYKES WILLIAM T-WRQ876 [mailto:william.t.sy...@motorola.com] 
Sent: 05 November 2008 18:36
To: emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: EN 300386 - RE: New Official Journal list of EMC standards

All:

EN 300 386 V1.4.1 (04-2008) Electromagnetic compatibility and radio spectrum
matters (ERM) — Telecommunication network equipment — Electromagnetic
compatibility (EMC) requirements is missing from the list.  

This ETSI standard list the following dates (I hope this copied table passes
without corruption!):

 

National transposition dates 

Date of adoption of this EN: 

11 April 2008 

Date of latest announcement of this EN (doa): 

31 July 2008 

Date of latest publication of new National Standard 

 

or endorsement of this EN (dop/e): 

31 January 2009 

Date of withdrawal of any conflicting National Standard (dow): 

31 July 2011 

Based on the dates above, should this one have been listed, eventually
superseding v1.2.1, v1.3.1, v1.3.2, and v1.3.3 (all supposedly still
simultaneously valid)?

Is EN 300 386 V1.4.1 usable as a Harmonized Standard giving a presumption of
conformity, or wait until published?

William T. Sykes

Compliance Engineer

Motorola Home & Networks Mobility

101 Tournament Drive

Horsham, PA 19044

215-323-2619

william.t.sy...@motorola.com 

 

 



From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Ralph McDiarmid
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 1:13 PM
To: emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: FW: New Official Journal list of EMC standards

 

 EN50178:1997 is missing from this list.  Has it been superseded,  or is it
now a rogue standard?

Ralph McDiarmid, AScT 
Compliance Engineering Group 
Xantrex Technology Inc. 

From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Brian Jones
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 1:23 AM
To: emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: New Official Journal list of EMC standards

 

Everyone

 

A new list of harmonised standards for 2004/108/EC was published in the OJ on
4 November.  It may be downloaded from here

http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/Lex
riServ.do?uri=OJ:C:2008:280:0014:0032:EN:PDF 

 

You will see that A1 to EN 55022:2006 has been listed.  It may be used now,
but does not have to be applied until 1 October 2010.

 

Best wishes

 

Brian  

 

Brian Jones

EMC Consultant

 

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[Barker, Neil]

William
 
I would expect that this standard is listed under the R&TTE Directive, not the
EMC Directive, even though it is an EMC standard; it is primarily an R&TTE
standard.
 

Neil Barker

Manager

Central Quality

 

e2v

106 Waterhouse Lane, Chelmsford, Essex, CM1 2QU, England

Tel: +44 (0)1245 453616

Mobile:   +44 (0)7801 723735

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From: SYKES WILLIAM T-WRQ876 [mailto:william.t.sy...@motorola.com] 
Sent: 05 November 2008 18:36
To: emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: EN 300386 - RE: New Official Journal list of EMC standards



All:

EN 300 386 V1.4.1 (04-2008) Electromagnetic compatibility and radio spectrum
matters (ERM) — Telecommunication network equipment — Electromagnetic
compatibility (EMC) requirements is missing from the list.  

This ETSI standard list the following dates (I hope this copied table passes
without corruption!):

 

National transposition dates 

Date of adoption of this EN: 

11 April 2008 

Date of latest announcement of this EN (doa): 

31 July 2008 

Date of latest publication of new National Standard 

 

or endorsement of this EN (dop/e): 

31 January 2009 

Date of withdrawal of any conflicting National Standard (dow): 

31 July 2011 

Based on the dates above, should this one have been listed, eventually
superseding v1.2.1, v1.3.1, v1.3.2, and v1.3.3 (all supposedly still
simultaneously valid)?

Is EN 300 386 V1.4.1 usable as a Harmonized Standard giving a presumption of
conformity, or wait until published?

William T. Sykes
Compliance Engineer
Motorola Home & Networks Mobility
101 Tournament Drive
Horsham, PA 19044
215-323-2619
william.t.sy...@motorola.com 
 
 


From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Ralph McDiarmid
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 1:13 PM
To: emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: FW: New Official Journal list of EMC standards



 

 EN50178:1997 is missing from this list.  Has it been superseded,  or is it
now a rogue standard?

Ralph McDiarmid, AScT 
Compliance Engineering Group 
Xantrex Technology Inc. 



From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Brian Jones
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 1:23 AM
To: emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: New Official Journal list of EMC standards

 

Everyone

 

A new list of harmonised standards for 2004/108/EC was published in the OJ on
4 November.  It may be downloaded from here

http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/Lex
riServ.do?uri=OJ:C:2008:280:0014:0032:EN:PDF 

 

You will see that A1 to EN 55022:2006 has been listed.  It may be used now,
but does not have to be applied until 1 October 2010.

 

Best wishes

 

Brian  

 

Brian Jones

EMC Consultant

 

http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc 


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RE: New Official Journal list of EMC standards

[Ralph McDiarmid]

Thanks Brian.  The 'light-bulb' went on shortly after I sent my e-mail.  I 
realized too late that I was looking in the wrong list.  Time for a cup of 
coffee.  :-)

Ralph McDiarmid, AScT 
Compliance Engineering Group 
Xantrex Technology Inc



From: Brian Jones [mailto:e...@brianjones.co.uk] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 10:47 AM
To: Ralph McDiarmid; emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: RE: New Official Journal list of EMC standards

Ralph

EN 50178 is shown on the CENELEC website www.cenelec.eu as relevant under
the LVD 2006/95/EC.  It wasn't in the previous EMCD list (published on 25
September 2007) either.  It's still shown as current (use the search box on
the top right-hand side of the page - standard number without the "EN" the
click on the hyperlinks to find more information).

I'm not familiar with this standard so I don't know which EMC requirements
it contains, but it appears at present not to be a relevant standard for the
EMCD.

Perhaps others more familiar with the standard (or the committee TC22X) can
help you further.

Best wishes

Brian  


From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Ralph
McDiarmid
Sent: 05 November 2008 18:13
To: emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: FW: New Official Journal list of EMC standards

EN50178:1997 is missing from this list.  Has it been superseded,  or is it
now a rogue standard?

Ralph McDiarmid, AScT 
Compliance Engineering Group 
Xantrex Technology Inc. 
From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Brian Jones
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 1:23 AM
To: emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: New Official Journal list of EMC standards

Everyone

A new list of harmonised standards for 2004/108/EC was published in the OJ
on 4 November.  It may be downloaded from here
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=OJ:C:2008:280:0014:003
2:EN:PDF  

You will see that A1 to EN 55022:2006 has been listed.  It may be used now,
but does not have to be applied until 1 October 2010.

Best wishes

Brian  

Brian Jones
EMC Consultant

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RE: New Official Journal list of EMC standards

[Brian Jones]

Ralph

EN 50178 is shown on the CENELEC website www.cenelec.eu as relevant under
the LVD 2006/95/EC.  It wasn't in the previous EMCD list (published on 25
September 2007) either.  It's still shown as current (use the search box on
the top right-hand side of the page - standard number without the "EN" the
click on the hyperlinks to find more information).

I'm not familiar with this standard so I don't know which EMC requirements
it contains, but it appears at present not to be a relevant standard for the
EMCD.

Perhaps others more familiar with the standard (or the committee TC22X) can
help you further.

Best wishes

Brian  


From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Ralph
McDiarmid
Sent: 05 November 2008 18:13
To: emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: FW: New Official Journal list of EMC standards

EN50178:1997 is missing from this list.  Has it been superseded,  or is it
now a rogue standard?

Ralph McDiarmid, AScT 
Compliance Engineering Group 
Xantrex Technology Inc. 
From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Brian Jones
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 1:23 AM
To: emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: New Official Journal list of EMC standards

Everyone

A new list of harmonised standards for 2004/108/EC was published in the OJ
on 4 November.  It may be downloaded from here
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=OJ:C:2008:280:0014:003
2:EN:PDF  

You will see that A1 to EN 55022:2006 has been listed.  It may be used now,
but does not have to be applied until 1 October 2010.

Best wishes

Brian  

Brian Jones
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EN 300386 - RE: New Official Journal list of EMC standards

[SYKES WILLIAM T-WRQ876]

All:

EN 300 386 V1.4.1 (04-2008) Electromagnetic compatibility and radio spectrum
matters (ERM) — Telecommunication network equipment — Electromagnetic
compatibility (EMC) requirements is missing from the list.  

This ETSI standard list the following dates (I hope this copied table passes
without corruption!):

 

National transposition dates 

Date of adoption of this EN: 

11 April 2008 

Date of latest announcement of this EN (doa): 

31 July 2008 

Date of latest publication of new National Standard 

 

or endorsement of this EN (dop/e): 

31 January 2009 

Date of withdrawal of any conflicting National Standard (dow): 

31 July 2011 

Based on the dates above, should this one have been listed, eventually
superseding v1.2.1, v1.3.1, v1.3.2, and v1.3.3 (all supposedly still
simultaneously valid)?

Is EN 300 386 V1.4.1 usable as a Harmonized Standard giving a presumption of
conformity, or wait until published?

William T. Sykes
Compliance Engineer
Motorola Home & Networks Mobility
101 Tournament Drive
Horsham, PA 19044
215-323-2619
william.t.sy...@motorola.com 
 
 


From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Ralph McDiarmid
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 1:13 PM
To: emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: FW: New Official Journal list of EMC standards



 

 EN50178:1997 is missing from this list.  Has it been superseded,  or is it
now a rogue standard?

Ralph McDiarmid, AScT 
Compliance Engineering Group 
Xantrex Technology Inc. 



From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Brian Jones
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 1:23 AM
To: emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: New Official Journal list of EMC standards

 

Everyone

 

A new list of harmonised standards for 2004/108/EC was published in the OJ on
4 November.  It may be downloaded from here

http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/Lex
riServ.do?uri=OJ:C:2008:280:0014:0032:EN:PDF 

 

You will see that A1 to EN 55022:2006 has been listed.  It may be used now,
but does not have to be applied until 1 October 2010.

 

Best wishes

 

Brian  

 

Brian Jones

EMC Consultant

 

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FW: New Official Journal list of EMC standards

[Ralph McDiarmid]

EN50178:1997 is missing from this list.  Has it been superseded,  or is it now
a rogue standard?

Ralph McDiarmid, AScT 
Compliance Engineering Group 
Xantrex Technology Inc. 



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Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 1:23 AM
To: emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: New Official Journal list of EMC standards

 

Everyone

 

A new list of harmonised standards for 2004/108/EC was published in the OJ on
4 November.  It may be downloaded from here

http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/Lex
riServ.do?uri=OJ:C:2008:280:0014:0032:EN:PDF 

 

You will see that A1 to EN 55022:2006 has been listed.  It may be used now,
but does not have to be applied until 1 October 2010.

 

Best wishes

 

Brian  

 

Brian Jones

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New Official Journal list of EMC standards

[Brian Jones]

Everyone

 

A new list of harmonised standards for 2004/108/EC was published in the OJ on
4 November.  It may be downloaded from here

http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/Lex
riServ.do?uri=OJ:C:2008:280:0014:0032:EN:PDF 

 

You will see that A1 to EN 55022:2006 has been listed.  It may be used now,
but does not have to be applied until 1 October 2010.

 

Best wishes

 

Brian  

 

Brian Jones

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AW: Errors in the European Official Journal

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Von: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] Im Auftrag von John
Woodgate
Gesendet: Freitag, 25. Januar 2008 16:45
An: emc-p...@ieee.org
Betreff: Re: Errors in the European Official Journal


In message , dated Fri, 25 Jan 2008, 
John Woodgate  writes:

>Who is the person in Germany who occasionally posts here about his
>surveillance of the OJ standards listings and reports errors to the 
>Commission?
>
>I looked in the list archives without success.

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Re: Errors in the European Official Journal

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In message , dated Fri, 25 Jan 2008, 
John Woodgate  writes:

>Who is the person in Germany who occasionally posts here about his 
>surveillance of the OJ standards listings and reports errors to the 
>Commission?
>
>I looked in the list archives without success.

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Errors in the European Official Journal

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Who is the person in Germany who occasionally posts here about his 
surveillance of the OJ standards listings and reports errors to the 
Commission?

I looked in the list archives without success.
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RE: New list of EMC standards in the Official Journal

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 The list on that webpage reflects the July status, it's always behind
the real OJEC publication.



>-Original Message-
>From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf 
>Of ext owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org
>Sent: 19. lokakuuta 2007 11:30
>To: e...@brianjones.co.uk; emc-p...@ieee.org
>Subject: RE: New list of EMC standards in the Official Journal
>
>Looks to like this EMC list has been messed up once again 
>
>The link Brian provides to the PDF below is spot on, but is in conflict
>with the HTML listing provided on the same site at
>http://ec.europa.eu/enterprise/newapproach/standardization/harm
>stds/refl
>ist/emc.html
>
>i.e. the HTML listing still has EN55022:1994 listed, which date expired
>on Aug 1 2007, and this list was published on Sep 25 2007.
>
>Are they losing it or am I ??
>
>
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf 
>> Of Brian Jones
>> Sent: 25 September 2007 09:11
>> To: emc-p...@ieee.org
>> Subject: New list of EMC standards in the Official Journal
>> 
>> Everyone
>> 
>> A new list of harmonised EMC standards was published in the 
>> Official Journal of the European Union today.
>> 
>> It can be downloaded from
>> <http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/site/en/oj/2007/c_225/c_2
>2520070925en00
>> 010019.pdf>
>> 
>> Best wishes
>> 
>> Brian
>> 
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RE: New list of EMC standards in the Official Journal

[emc-p...@ieee.org]

Looks to like this EMC list has been messed up once again 

The link Brian provides to the PDF below is spot on, but is in conflict
with the HTML listing provided on the same site at
http://ec.europa.eu/enterprise/newapproach/standardization/harmstds/refl
ist/emc.html

i.e. the HTML listing still has EN55022:1994 listed, which date expired
on Aug 1 2007, and this list was published on Sep 25 2007.

Are they losing it or am I ??



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> Of Brian Jones
> Sent: 25 September 2007 09:11
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> Subject: New list of EMC standards in the Official Journal
> 
> Everyone
> 
> A new list of harmonised EMC standards was published in the 
> Official Journal of the European Union today.
> 
> It can be downloaded from
> <http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/site/en/oj/2007/c_225/c_2
2520070925en00
> 010019.pdf>
> 
> Best wishes
> 
> Brian
> 
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New list of R&TTE Standards in the Official Journal

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All, 
I noticed today, that EU had also published an updated standards list
under the R&TTE Directive on 9-25-2007. Here is the English link.

 
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/sit
/en/oj/2007/c_225/c_22520070925en00200051.pdf 

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New list of EMC standards in the Official Journal

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Everyone

A new list of harmonised EMC standards was published in the Official Journal
of the European Union today.

It can be downloaded from
<http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/site/en/oj/2007/c_225/c_22520070925en00
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Corrigendum to the Official Journal list of harmonised standards - EN 55022

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Everyone

On 27 January, a corrigendum correcting the listing for EN 55022:1994 was
published in the Official Journal.

It may be viewed at

http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/site/en/oj/2007/c_019/c_01920070127en002
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Official Journal of the EU

[Nick Williams]

We subscribe to a service from a small company who review the current 
issues of the OJ for us against a list of topics and directives which 
we have specified and send us copies of anything they think is 
relevant. The service costs us about the same as subscribing to the 
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support a small company rather than stuffing the money in the pocket 
of TSO Books, but also that we only have to look at the bits we are 
interested in.

The company have today contacted me to say that due to a fall in 
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would find this service beneficial and cost effective. If any of you 
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Journal of Electrostatics

[Peter L. Tarver]

I am looking for a back issue of the Journal of
Electrostatics: Volume 33, No. 1, 1994.  Anyone mind
sharing?


Regards,

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Official Journal listing for EN 300 386-2 1997

[Brian Jones]

Everyone

Those involved with the supply of telecom network equipment in Europe will
have been surprised to see that in the list of harmonised standards under
the EMC Directive published in the Official Journal on 9 March 2002,  on
page C62/14, there is no "date of cessation of conformity of the superseded
standard" (doc) shown for EN 300 386:2000.  The implication is that the 2000
edition is applicable immediately.  The 1997 edition of EN 300 386-2 is also
missing from this list.

The previous EMC standards listing in the OJEC of 5 April 2001 showed, on
page C105/30, the standard EN 300 386:2000 with the "doc" 31 May 2003.  This
meant that the 1997 edition of the earlier standard EN 300 386-2 could be
used until that date.

Since there has been no other indication of the change, I checked with the
European Commission via the Department of Trade and Industry in the UK.

The Commission has confirmed that this is indeed an error, and it will be
corrected in the next list to be published in the Official Journal, expected
in July.  The listing on the Commission's website

http://europa.eu.int/comm/enterprise/newapproach/standardization/harmstds/re
flist/emc.html

has been corrected.

So the 1997 edition of EN 300 386-2 can still be used under the standards
route until 31 May 2003.

Best wishes

Brian Jones
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SV: Looking for Official Journal of the European Communities, C 4 4 dated 19.2.92

[h . knudsen]

 Hello John,
I have found a paper copy of 92/C 44/10 from 19. February 1992 where EN
55022, EN 60555-2, EN 60555-3 and other standard are mentioned.

As far as I know this was the first time those standard references was
mentioned in OJ.

I will send you a PDF copy monday.

Best regards

Helge Knudsen
Test & Approval manager
Niros Telecommunication
Hirsemarken 5
DK-3520 Farum
Denmark
Tel +45 44 34 22 51
Fax +45 44 99 28 08
email h.knud...@niros.com

-Oprindelig meddelelse-
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Til: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Sendt: 30-05-2002 12:48
Emne: Looking for Official Journal of the European Communities, C 44 dated
19.2.92


I am looking for a listing of electromagnetic compatibility standards
that comply with Council Directive 89/336/EEC, that was supposedly
published in issue C 44 Volume 37 of the Official Journal of the
European Communities (OJ) on February 19, 1992 (19.2.92).  Can anyone
point me to a web page with this listing, or send it to me somehow?

This is for a "family tree" of international EMC/EMI/ESD standards for
Information Technology Equipment (ITE), to be posted on our company web
site.  So far this document is over 60 pages (130KB) long...

For completeness, I am trying to find out when the following European
standards were first listed in the OJ:
*  EN 55022:1987
*  EN 60555-2:1987
*  EN 60555-3:1987

Several references on the Internet say that these were first listed in
issue C 44 Volume 35, dated 19.2.92.  But the earliest listing for
Council Directive 89/336/EEC that I have found is C 90 Volume 35, dated
10.4.92.  And it only mentions EN 50081-1 and EN 50082-1.  C 49 Volume
37, dated 17.2.94, mentions all three above standards and says that they
were ratified in 1986.

Thanks!

John Barnes
dBi Corporation
http://www.dbicorporation.com/

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Looking for Official Journal of the European Communities, C 44 dated 19.2.92

[John Barnes]

I am looking for a listing of electromagnetic compatibility standards
that comply with Council Directive 89/336/EEC, that was supposedly
published in issue C 44 Volume 37 of the Official Journal of the
European Communities (OJ) on February 19, 1992 (19.2.92).  Can anyone
point me to a web page with this listing, or send it to me somehow?

This is for a "family tree" of international EMC/EMI/ESD standards for
Information Technology Equipment (ITE), to be posted on our company web
site.  So far this document is over 60 pages (130KB) long...

For completeness, I am trying to find out when the following European
standards were first listed in the OJ:
*  EN 55022:1987
*  EN 60555-2:1987
*  EN 60555-3:1987

Several references on the Internet say that these were first listed in
issue C 44 Volume 35, dated 19.2.92.  But the earliest listing for
Council Directive 89/336/EEC that I have found is C 90 Volume 35, dated
10.4.92.  And it only mentions EN 50081-1 and EN 50082-1.  C 49 Volume
37, dated 17.2.94, mentions all three above standards and says that they
were ratified in 1986.

Thanks!

John Barnes
dBi Corporation
http://www.dbicorporation.com/

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RE: New list of EMC-standards harmonized and published in the Off icial Journal EC

[Lesmeister, Glenn]

They did not include the amendment to 61000-3-3.  The revisions to the
standard have passed, but apparently have not been formalized into an
amendment.  Is it reasonable to expect that they will add it to the OJ at
any time or do they typically do these things on a periodic basis?

Regards,

Glenn Lesmeister
Product Regulatory Compliance

Compaq Computer Corp.   Tel: 281-514-5163
20555 SH 249, MS60607   Fax: 281-514-8029
Houston,  TX 77070-2698 Pgr: 713-786-4930
glenn.lesmeis...@compaq.com

"I am empowered to do what makes sense!"

 -Original Message-
From:   CE-test - Ing. Gert Gremmen - ce-marking and more...
[mailto:cet...@cetest.nl] 
Sent:   Thursday, December 14, 2000 12:37 PM
To: Emc-Pstc@Ieee. Org
Subject:New list of EMC-standards harmonized and published in the
Official Journal EC

 << File: Gert Gremmen.vcf >> Hi list !!

Today a new list of Harmonized standards including the infamous A14
has been published in the OJ. In spite of any DOP or DOW dates it can
be used for ce compliance matters per TODAY..

Find a direct link to this list in Adobe format on our home page:

http://www.cetest.nl



Regards,
 
Gert Gremmen, (Ing)

ce-test, qualified testing
 
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New list of EMC-standards harmonized and published in the Official Journal EC

[CE-test - Ing. Gert Gremmen - ce-marking and more...]

Hi list !!

Today a new list of Harmonized standards including the infamous A14
has been published in the OJ. In spite of any DOP or DOW dates it can
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Re: journal...

[krzysiak]

Find also some others:

:-o "EMC Engineering Europe"
Reader Service Department
Miller Freeman plc
40 Beresford Street
London SE18 6QH
Great Britain

:-o "EMC Journal" and annual "EMC Kompendium" (both in German)
KM Verlagsgesellschaft
Bestellservice
Golierstrasse 23
80339 Munchen, Germany

:-o APPROVAL Magazine
M&M Business Communications Ltd
Freepost MA1342
Sevenoaks, Kent
TN13 1BR
Great Britain

:-o Compliance Engineering - European Edition
The Lansbury Estate
Lower Guildford Road
Knaphill, Woking
Surrey GU21 2EP
Great Britain

:-o Papers from International Wroclaw Symposium - Poland
http://www.emc98.wroc.pl

Have a nice reading,

Krzysztof Sieczkarek
Laboratory of Automatic Identification Techniques
Institute of Logistics and Warehousing
Estkowskiego 6
61-755 Poznan, Poland
fax +48 61 8526376
http://www.ilim.poznan.pl/la/index_E.html

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Re: journal...

[krzysiak]

Find also some others:

:-o "EMC Engineering Europe"
Reader Service Department
Miller Freeman plc
40 Beresford Street
London SE18 6QH
Great Britain

:-o "EMC Journal" and annual "EMC Kompendium" (both in German)
KM Verlagsgesellschaft
Bestellservice
Golierstrasse 23
80339 Munchen, Germany

:-o APPROVAL Magazine
M&M Business Communications Ltd
Freepost MA1342
Sevenoaks, Kent
TN13 1BR
Great Britain

:-o Compliance Engineering - European Edition
The Lansbury Estate
Lower Guildford Road
Knaphill, Woking
Surrey GU21 2EP
Great Britain

:-o Papers from International Wroclaw Symposium - Poland
http://www.emc98.wroc.pl

Have a nice reading,

Krzysztof Sieczkarek
Laboratory of Automatic Identification Techniques
Institute of Logistics and Warehousing
Estkowskiego 6
61-755 Poznan, Poland
fax +48 61 8526376
http://www.ilim.poznan.pl/la/index_E.html




Chong Chien Jin wrote:
> 
> Can someone help me on this topic?
> Is there any journal related to EMC?
> Where can i find the journal?
> Thanks.
> 
>C.J.CHONG 
>Pusat Pengajian Elektrik dan Elektronik,
>USM.
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RE: journal...

[Knighten, Jim]

*   The IEEE journal is:  IEEE Transactions on electromagnetic
Compatibility and comes with membership in the IEEE EMC Society
*   In addition, the IEEE EMC Society publishes a Symposium Record
of the annual IEEE International Symposium on EMC (this year it is being
held in Denver, Colorado in August.  The Symposium Record can be found
in some libraries and in IEEE databases.
*   EMC-Journal is published in the UK and can be found on the web
at www.emc-journal.co.uk

I'm sure there are other sources also.  Some sources are primarily
directed at EMC technology and some are more focused on regulatory
aspects.

Good Luck

Jim

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NCR
17095 Via del Campo
San Diego, CA 92127
Telephone: 619-485-2537
Fax: 619-485-3788
e-mail: jim.knigh...@sandiegoca.ncr.com


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From:  WOODS, RICHARD [SMTP:wo...@sensormatic.com]
Sent:  Wednesday, July 15, 1998 7:58 AM
To:  emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject:  RE: journal...

*   The IEEE EMC Society publishes a periodical.
*   Compliance Engineering (bi-monthly): Compliance
Engineering, 70
Codman Hill Road, Boxborough, MA, 01719, USA (I believe they
have a web
site)
*   ITEM (yearly):R&B Enterprises, 20 Clipper Road, West
Conhohocken, PA
19428-2721, USA


> --
> From: Chong Chien Jin[SMTP:ee39...@eng.usm.my]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 1998 10:49 PM
> To:   ron_pick...@hypercom.com
> Cc:   emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org; wo...@sensormatic.com
    > Subject:  journal...
> 
> Can someone help me on this topic?
> Is there any journal related to EMC?
    > Where can i find the journal?
> Thanks.
>
>C.J.CHONG
>Pusat Pengajian Elektrik dan Elektronik,
>USM.
> 

RE: journal...

[WOODS, RICHARD]

*   The IEEE EMC Society publishes a periodical.
*   Compliance Engineering (bi-monthly): Compliance Engineering, 70
Codman Hill Road, Boxborough, MA, 01719, USA (I believe they have a web
site)
*   ITEM (yearly):R&B Enterprises, 20 Clipper Road, West Conhohocken, PA
19428-2721, USA


> --
> From: Chong Chien Jin[SMTP:ee39...@eng.usm.my]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 1998 10:49 PM
> To:   ron_pick...@hypercom.com
> Cc:   emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org; wo...@sensormatic.com
> Subject:  journal...
> 
> Can someone help me on this topic?
> Is there any journal related to EMC?
> Where can i find the journal?
> Thanks.
>
>C.J.CHONG
>Pusat Pengajian Elektrik dan Elektronik,
>USM.
> 

journal...

[Chong Chien Jin]

Can someone help me on this topic?
Is there any journal related to EMC?
Where can i find the journal?
Thanks.
   
   C.J.CHONG
   Pusat Pengajian Elektrik dan Elektronik,
   USM.

Copy of: Official Journal

[Chris Dupres]

-- Forwarded Message --

From:   Chris Dupres, 100014,3703
TO: "Flinders, Randall", INTERNET:r_flind...@emulex.com
DATE:   18/12/97 06:33

RE: Copy of: Official Journal

Hi Randy.

You asked:

The OJ is published daily, and contains EVERYTHING related to the business
of the European Communities that happened the previous day.  It's very
big  I doubt very much that it is available on a web site,  it would be
a monumentous task updating it on a daily basis.

< Also, I am currently looking for a service which can keep me updated on
changes to the OJ and the Norms.   >
ERA Technology of Leatherhead in the UK (branches in the USA) publish
regular reviews of worldwide standards and compliance information.
'Standards Update' and 'Safety and EMC'.  They are obtained by subscription
and I have found these to be invaluable.  I have no connection at all with
them, but am glad to recommend them.

ERA Technology Ltd.
Cleeve Road,
Leatherhead,
Surrey  KT22 7SA
UK.

tel  +44 (0) 1372 367030
fax  +44 (0) 1372 374074
Email  i...@era.co.uk

Hope that helps,

Chris Dupres
Surrey, UK.

Re: Official Journal

[Jerry Roberton]

  RE>Official Journal  18/12/97

Randy,

The problem with the OJ is that it is published nearly every working day in 2
versions the S version which is packed with potential bid work  in every
business sector ( also on CD Rom)  and the L and C series which deals with
standards and regulations  from the Commission.

I make use of a professional service that scans the OJ  for  entries that are
particular to my industry  ( IT and Telecomms eqpt ) +
EMC,Safety,Standards,Environment,Directives  etc. Instead of  wasting time 
scanning I just get copies of the information that affects me.


Contact either  C. J. Penney  or S. Mann
on +44-1235-766009  tel
+44-1235-766953 fax
or  emailcj...@rmplc.co.uk

Jerry Roberton
EMEA Homologation
NET Europe


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Date: 18/12/97 1:16 am
To: Jerry Roberton
From: Flinders, Randall

Greetings and Happy Holidays!

Is anyone aware of a FUNCTIONAL web site where I can access an updated   
copy of the EC Official Journal?  Also, I am currently looking for a   
service which can keep me updated on changes to the OJ and the Norms.   
 Any information on these subjects would be greatly appreciated!

Regards,


Randy Flinders
EMC Test Engineer
Emulex Network Systems Corporation

Phone: (714) 513-8012
Fax: (714) 513-8265
E-Mail: r_flind...@emulex.com
WebSite: www.emulex.com

* opinions expressed herein are personal,
  and in no way reflect the position of Emulex Corporation.

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Official Journal

[Flinders, Randall]

Greetings and Happy Holidays!

Is anyone aware of a FUNCTIONAL web site where I can access an updated   
copy of the EC Official Journal?  Also, I am currently looking for a   
service which can keep me updated on changes to the OJ and the Norms.   
 Any information on these subjects would be greatly appreciated!

Regards,


Randy Flinders
EMC Test Engineer
Emulex Network Systems Corporation

Phone: (714) 513-8012
Fax: (714) 513-8265
E-Mail: r_flind...@emulex.com
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* opinions expressed herein are personal,
  and in no way reflect the position of Emulex Corporation.