Re: [Emc-users] rapid prototype

2012-07-24 Thread a
Hi
Jeshua,
for me use a regular CNC mill for rapid prototype makes more sense.
major challenge is the head that will introduce hot plastic.
i think that small shop or business can start manufacture such heads or 
wait until Made in China will be ready.
i found that reprap city based and not country based like EMC2 and 
result of that there is not enough people in each city that have good 
experience.
is there proven design for head? design of head in reprap too simplify 
as i can see.

thanks
aram


 interesting if anyone used EMC to build rapid prototype machine.
 it should be 4 axis machine. 3 axis X Y Z and 4th axis head that
 injects liquid wax -plastic.

 Hi Aram,

 There has been some discussion on this list recently converting mills
 to 3D plastic printers using EMC, see these threads:

 [Emc-users] Status of Linux-emc and 3d printing?
 [Emc-users] OT: 3D Printer Mods?
 [Emc-users] SCARA robot arm 3D printer
 [Emc-users] 3D Printer Parts
 [Emc-users]  3D printer ( high end )
 [Emc-users] OT: and Soapbox: 3D Printer Mods?
 [Emc-users] Usefulness - was Re: OT: 3D Printer Mods?
 [Emc-users] OT: 3D Printer Mods?
 [Emc-users] 3D Printer Mods?

 I would like to see a wax printer as well, but people have reported
 successfully performing a lost-plastic process with both ABS and PLA
 plastic. The process is the same as doing lost wax, but you burn out
 the plastic instead of wax. From what I read the PLA is safer/more
 pleasant to burn out (smells like maple syrup I read) but the ABS
 burned out cleaner. I am sure with some experimentation you could get
 great results from both.

 That is what I primarily plan to do with a 3D printer and/or
 conversion when I get around to it.


 Cheers,

 Jeshua Lacock
 Founder/Engineer
 3DTOPO Incorporated
 http://3DTOPO.com
 Phone: 208.462.4171


 
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Re: [Emc-users] rapid prototype

2012-07-24 Thread andy pugh
On 24 July 2012 07:53,  a...@conceptmachinery.com wrote:

 for me use a regular CNC mill for rapid prototype makes more sense.
 major challenge is the head that will introduce hot plastic.

You can buy a head off the shelf. The actual problem is motion speed.

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Re: [Emc-users] BASE_PERIOD and Intel D525MW boards

2012-07-24 Thread andy pugh
On 24 July 2012 03:09, John Stewart alex.stew...@crc.ca wrote:
 I've got a D525mw, and every once in a while it'll throw up an RTAI error.

I found that my D510 was very reliable for latency unless I had the
webcam plugged in.

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[Emc-users] USB badness, was Re: BASE_PERIOD and Intel D525MW boards

2012-07-24 Thread Kent A. Reed
On 7/24/2012 5:55 AM, andy pugh wrote:
 On 24 July 2012 03:09, John Stewart alex.stew...@crc.ca wrote:
 I've got a D525mw, and every once in a while it'll throw up an RTAI error.
 I found that my D510 was very reliable for latency unless I had the
 webcam plugged in.


There doesn't seem to be any pattern emerging yet as to which USB 
devices cause problems and which do not. For want of a better 
explanation, I've assumed some USB devices upset realtime performance 
because their drivers enable DMA activity.

If this hypothesis were true, then devices requiring fast service of 
large data blocks likely would be bad choices.

Without more explicit guidelines, my approach has been to avoid USB 
connections like the plague.

Any thoughts?

Regards,
Kent


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Re: [Emc-users] The screw works!

2012-07-24 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 24 July 2012 06:30:42 mark center did opine:

 I use 0 to 5 degree rake and 2 to 3 degrees absolute flank clearance.
 The compound angle, viewed orthogonal to side view, is about 10 to 15
 degrees. The spiral effect (lead angle) causes entering side to be
 more acute than exit. Nothing is really terribly critical as long as a
 cutting flank does not rub against either side of the thread flank.
 Ridiculously acute appearing tool angles will cause less problems than
 angles that would appear correct for turning, they just wear faster.
 You might only be able to thread ten or fifteen parts before you need
 to resharpen. The lead angle is a function of lead, diameter, and
 whether internal/external.

Rather than make a jig, since I didn't really know what I was doing yet, I 
just tipped my vise up 60 degrees and clamped it into the vice at about 15 
degrees to the left on the right side of it, with a 1.5 dremel diamond 
wheel and arbor in a drill chuck in the spindle, turning about 2000 revs.  
That took me about an hours worth of sweeping it back and forth, lowering 
the z about a thou per pass to get rid of the belly and bring the shine all 
the way to the edge, and when I did, I found it was sensitive to the wheels 
direction of rotation, leaving a shiny line at the cutting edge that would 
not wipe or blow away if the wheel was turning to approach the edge, but 
which was almost instantly removed if I reversed the spindle so the diamond 
was traveling upwards toward the edge.  Then I turned it over but set the 
left face at about 20 degrees, (pitch angle SWAG) which again started 
polishing the lower side first, and I've lowered z an additional 20 thou 
since. When I gave up well after dark last night, with about 30 thou to go 
to get it up to the cutting edge, meaning another 3 to 6 thou down at the 
spindle.  Apparently my attempts to sharpen by hand had left it effectively 
with zero heel clearance on the left, cutting edge.  Quite a belly on the 
side I am having to remove.

Because the threads I was cutting are relatively fine pitched, I haven't 
tried to form a round nose on the tool other than making a just visible 
shiny spot on the end, not more than a couple thou wide with a hard 
arkansas stone.  The first thread I cut with it was beautiful, the last 
were pretty rough feeling but worked.

 I have a parting tool that I have threaded several times on a manual
 South Bend Big 10 (and now a Monarch 10EE)

I've not considered buying an insertable tool yet, most of the tool shanks 
are too big for this machine, and the inserts are sold by the karat.  But 
it would be nice if there was a side of the tool clamp for the cutoff tool, 
most holders offer little or no sideways deflection restraint, with this 
a2z's wedge style clamp being particularly non-impressive in that regard.

More bad weather today, it was 76 at 6 AM, with severe afternoon 
thunderstorms predicted.  The only advantage of the heat to me is a lighter 
weight sock to keep my diabetic feet from feeling like they are freezing.

I hope it doesn't replay 3 weeks ago, there are still some folks in WV 
without power.  And the state P.U.C. is all over the electrical folks 
because of it.

Thank you Mark.

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Re: [Emc-users] [Off] Ballscrew Support?

2012-07-24 Thread Todd Zuercher
Since we are a wood shop, and don't have any real metal working capabilities I 
didn't really consider it a viable option.  I believe that the manufacturer has 
redesigned the drive train since these were built, due in part to our input.  
We plan to retrofit, at our next rebuild. 

Todd Zuercher
P. Graham Dunn Inc.
630 Henry Street 
Dalton, Ohio 44618
Phone:  (330)828-2105ext. 2031
 


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Subject: Re: [Emc-users] [Off] Ballscrew Support?

2012/7/23 Todd Zuercher to...@pgrahamdunn.com:
 Our first of these two machines actually had the racks and pinions replaced 
 while still under factory warranty.  We are only cutting MDF with them (just 
 lots of it).  The flaws I see with the machines are, spring loaded engagement 
 of the pinion to rack, (lets pinion pull out of rack under heavy loads (like 
 rapid accel), support bearings for the pinions and transmission shafts are to 
 close together and overloaded.  I don't want to start dissing the 
 Manufacturer they have stood behind the product, the machine design just 
 isn't well suited for us and our application.


Just out of curiousity: have You considered rebuilding it, making that
shaft longer and increasing distance between bearings and even put
stronger bearings there? I am sure that in longer term it would
provide cost savings - less downtime, less parts to replace etc.

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Re: [Emc-users] USB badness, was Re: BASE_PERIOD and Intel D525MW boards

2012-07-24 Thread Ralph Stirling
I don't think it's that simple, Kent.  I do not recall
having any realtime delays or errors when I was
using a USB microscope camera on a D510MO with
LinuxCNC.  My experience may not be of much
value, though, as I was using a 7I43 with hardware
step generation, so I only had a servo thread.

For people needing to use USB devices with LinuxCNC,
an FPGA device like 7I43 or 5I25 would be a good $80
investment to eliminate the base thread.

-- Ralph

From: Kent A. Reed [kentallanr...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 4:08 AM
To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)
Subject: [Emc-users] USB badness,   was Re:  BASE_PERIOD and Intel D525MW 
boards

On 7/24/2012 5:55 AM, andy pugh wrote:
 On 24 July 2012 03:09, John Stewart alex.stew...@crc.ca wrote:
 I've got a D525mw, and every once in a while it'll throw up an RTAI error.
 I found that my D510 was very reliable for latency unless I had the
 webcam plugged in.


There doesn't seem to be any pattern emerging yet as to which USB
devices cause problems and which do not. For want of a better
explanation, I've assumed some USB devices upset realtime performance
because their drivers enable DMA activity.

If this hypothesis were true, then devices requiring fast service of
large data blocks likely would be bad choices.

Without more explicit guidelines, my approach has been to avoid USB
connections like the plague.

Any thoughts?

Regards,
Kent

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Re: [Emc-users] BASE_PERIOD and Intel D525MW boards

2012-07-24 Thread John Stewart
Gene, Andy:

Andy; I thought it was reliable, too….  (read on)


 I have 2 of them, running at 23000 ns for a BASE_PERIOD.  I can run most of 
 the day without encountering a realtime error.

Good - I'll try your BASE_PERIOD - (read on)

 I assume you also have the option set in the kernel line of your grub.conf 

Thanks for the slap on the back of the head . Let me check that - I did but 
it might have been removed by some machine updates.

  Going to 23000 will make a noticeable difference in the machines 
 top speed in that event.

:-)

 That also assumes you have stepper voltages high 
 enough to make decent torque at those speeds. 24 is often borderline IMO, 
 my mill is running a 28 volt supply, my lathe a 38 volt under load.

Running at circa 42V - G540, calculated optimal voltages from equations on 
gecko web site, and tuned my power supply to that.

It's a little Sieg KX1 with a Gecko G540.

I'll verify that isoclplus (name like that) parameter, and try your BASE_PERIOD 
and email back in a couple of days with results.

Thanks;

JohnS.
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Re: [Emc-users] rapid prototype

2012-07-24 Thread a
Hi Andy
Can you send links -info about heads ?
tahnks
aram


On 2012-07-24 03:39, andy pugh wrote:
 On 24 July 2012 07:53,  a...@conceptmachinery.com wrote:

 for me use a regular CNC mill for rapid prototype makes more sense.
 major challenge is the head that will introduce hot plastic.

 You can buy a head off the shelf. The actual problem is motion speed.

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Re: [Emc-users] BASE_PERIOD and Intel D525MW boards

2012-07-24 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 24 July 2012 13:11:56 John Stewart did opine:

 Gene, Andy:
 
 Andy; I thought it was reliable, too….  (read on)
 
  I have 2 of them, running at 23000 ns for a BASE_PERIOD.  I can run
  most of the day without encountering a realtime error.
 
 Good - I'll try your BASE_PERIOD - (read on)
 
  I assume you also have the option set in the kernel line of your
  grub.conf
 
 Thanks for the slap on the back of the head . Let me check that - I
 did but it might have been removed by some machine updates.
 
And don't forget to turn off that time waster in the bios called 
hyperthreading.  A quick test for that is to check and see how many cpu's 
the machine _thinks_ it has, running htop for instance.  If its not been 
disabled, it will show 4 cores, but the machine is actually faster with 
that turned off as the bios code wastes 10% of the machines cycles doing 
needless context swaps.  A solution of sorts that when running linux, will 
never find the problem it is supposed to fix.

   Going to 23000 will make a noticeable difference in the machines
  
  top speed in that event.
 :
 :-)
 :
  That also assumes you have stepper voltages high
  enough to make decent torque at those speeds. 24 is often borderline
  IMO, my mill is running a 28 volt supply, my lathe a 38 volt under
  load.
 
 Running at circa 42V - G540, calculated optimal voltages from equations
 on gecko web site, and tuned my power supply to that.

Custom wound transformers?
 
 It's a little Sieg KX1 with a Gecko G540.
 
 I'll verify that isoclplus (name like that) parameter, and try your
 BASE_PERIOD and email back in a couple of days with results.
 
 Thanks;
 
 JohnS.

NP :)

Cheers, Gene
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Re: [Emc-users] BASE_PERIOD and Intel D525MW boards

2012-07-24 Thread Belli Button
I have just bought a few of these, out the box (LCNC 2.4.3 and 2.5) I am 
getting jitter in the 5000ns range, are you saying that without the hyper 
threading turned off, the jitter is really much higher?  I haven't connected 
a motor to see test it and I don't get any RT errors while playing.

Greg


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From: Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com
To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 7:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Emc-users] BASE_PERIOD and Intel D525MW boards


 On Tuesday 24 July 2012 13:11:56 John Stewart did opine:

 Gene, Andy:

 Andy; I thought it was reliable, too….  (read on)

  I have 2 of them, running at 23000 ns for a BASE_PERIOD.  I can run
  most of the day without encountering a realtime error.

 Good - I'll try your BASE_PERIOD - (read on)

  I assume you also have the option set in the kernel line of your
  grub.conf

 Thanks for the slap on the back of the head . Let me check that - I
 did but it might have been removed by some machine updates.

 And don't forget to turn off that time waster in the bios called
 hyperthreading.  A quick test for that is to check and see how many cpu's
 the machine _thinks_ it has, running htop for instance.  If its not been
 disabled, it will show 4 cores, but the machine is actually faster with
 that turned off as the bios code wastes 10% of the machines cycles doing
 needless context swaps.  A solution of sorts that when running linux, will
 never find the problem it is supposed to fix.

   Going to 23000 will make a noticeable difference in the machines
 
  top speed in that event.
 :
 :-)
 :
  That also assumes you have stepper voltages high
  enough to make decent torque at those speeds. 24 is often borderline
  IMO, my mill is running a 28 volt supply, my lathe a 38 volt under
  load.

 Running at circa 42V - G540, calculated optimal voltages from equations
 on gecko web site, and tuned my power supply to that.

 Custom wound transformers?

 It's a little Sieg KX1 with a Gecko G540.

 I'll verify that isoclplus (name like that) parameter, and try your
 BASE_PERIOD and email back in a couple of days with results.

 Thanks;

 JohnS.

 NP :)

 Cheers, Gene
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Re: [Emc-users] BASE_PERIOD and Intel D525MW boards

2012-07-24 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 24 July 2012 15:28:01 Belli Button did opine:

 I have just bought a few of these, out the box (LCNC 2.4.3 and 2.5) I am
 getting jitter in the 5000ns range, are you saying that without the
 hyper threading turned off, the jitter is really much higher?  I
 haven't connected a motor to see test it and I don't get any RT errors
 while playing.
 
 Greg
 
Even 5000 seems a tad high.  Freshly booted, I get about 2300 and it takes 
some serious work on another screen to run it above 3000.
These are the completed boxes labeled OAK, shoebox style with a dvd writer 
included. $249+ship each.

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[Emc-users] xml for G540 and pncconf with 5i25?

2012-07-24 Thread Bryce Johnson
I got a G540 so I switched over the 5i25 firmware to the G540x2.  Was there
an XML file for use with pncconf?   I did some searching and couldn't come
up with anything.  I had used the prob_rfx2 xml with the BOB I had
previously.

Thanks
Bryce
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Re: [Emc-users] USB badness, was Re: BASE_PERIOD and Intel D525MW boards

2012-07-24 Thread Kent A. Reed
On 7/24/2012 9:17 AM, Ralph Stirling wrote:
 I don't think it's that simple, Kent.  I do not recall
 having any realtime delays or errors when I was
 using a USB microscope camera on a D510MO with
 LinuxCNC.  My experience may not be of much
 value, though, as I was using a 7I43 with hardware
 step generation, so I only had a servo thread.

 For people needing to use USB devices with LinuxCNC,
 an FPGA device like 7I43 or 5I25 would be a good $80
 investment to eliminate the base thread.

 -- Ralph
 
 From: Kent A. Reed [kentallanr...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 4:08 AM
 To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)
 Subject: [Emc-users] USB badness,   was Re:  BASE_PERIOD and Intel D525MW 
 boards

 On 7/24/2012 5:55 AM, andy pugh wrote:
 On 24 July 2012 03:09, John Stewart alex.stew...@crc.ca wrote:
 I've got a D525mw, and every once in a while it'll throw up an RTAI error.
 I found that my D510 was very reliable for latency unless I had the
 webcam plugged in.

 There doesn't seem to be any pattern emerging yet as to which USB
 devices cause problems and which do not. For want of a better
 explanation, I've assumed some USB devices upset realtime performance
 because their drivers enable DMA activity.

 If this hypothesis were true, then devices requiring fast service of
 large data blocks likely would be bad choices.

 Without more explicit guidelines, my approach has been to avoid USB
 connections like the plague.

 Any thoughts?

 Regards,
 Kent


Ralph:

I never said it was simple :-)

Since the device itself must request DMA service, two USB cameras or 
what-evers may behave entirely differently with respect to upsetting the 
real-time applecart if one uses DMA to transfer its data and the other not.

I said certain devices *likely* would be bad choices, but so far it 
doesn't appear to me that one can tell for sure except by trying a 
desired device in service. I'd be happy to have my conjecture proven wrong.

I certainly don't think this is an issue just for Intel Atom-equipped 
motherboards, whether Intel or some other brand (fer instance, instead 
of an Intel D510 I have an ASUS AT5NM10-I that I'm pleased with; it's 
the one in the latency-test results table on the wiki). I suppose it 
might be more of an issue with certain BIOSes.

Again, I'd be happy to be proven wrong. So far, all I see are individual 
it (works | doesn't work) for my lashup messages. Too little 
information to make an engineering judgment.

Regards,
Kent






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Re: [Emc-users] xml for G540 and pncconf with 5i25?

2012-07-24 Thread Chris Morley



 Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 17:28:53 -0500
 From: sie...@gmail.com
 To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
 Subject: [Emc-users] xml for G540 and pncconf with 5i25?
 
 I got a G540 so I switched over the 5i25 firmware to the G540x2.  Was there
 an XML file for use with pncconf?   I did some searching and couldn't come
 up with anything.  I had used the prob_rfx2 xml with the BOB I had
 previously.
 
 Thanks
 Bryce

I have not made a XML file for this yet... I thought it had a charge pump 
component,
which PNCconf doesn't know about but I can not see that in the PIN file, so I 
should be able to build one the PNCconf can already use... I'll see if I have 
time tonight.

Chris M
  
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Re: [Emc-users] USB badness, was Re: BASE_PERIOD and Intel D525MW boards

2012-07-24 Thread cogoman
On 07/24/2012 07:08 AM, Kent A. Reed wrote:
 Any thoughts?
   From what I've seen looking into USB 2.0 device programming, the 
transfers are too quick for most (maybe all) microcontrollers to keep up 
with in software, so you are generally tied to DMA transfers on the 
microcontroller side.  FTDI has some chips that eliminate the DMA issue 
for the programmer, but they may do DMA internally.

   There is a mode called 'isosynchronus' where a peripheral negotiates 
a certain amount of transfer for every time USB transfers data.  This 
mode can be used for more reliable data streams.  I suspect that a high 
bandwidth peripheral that has a USB port all to itself will not be as 
problematic as one that contends with a mouse and keyboard for the port.

   I also suspect that the USB connection has a certain period between 
communication events.  A base period that gets lots of real time errors 
from contention with USB*/may/* have much less problems with both faster 
and slower base periods.

   Perhaps when documenting what works, and what doesn't, it would make 
sense to keep track of:

1:USB 1.1 or USB 2.0
2:What is the device?
3:Does it have the port to itself?
4:Is a hub being used?  A hub may complicate the timing.
5:The appropriate part of the log files.
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[Emc-users] wish8.5[5112]:segfault at 0 ip(null) sp bfc67b60 error 4 in wish8.5[8048000+1000] Segmentation fault

2012-07-24 Thread xgdlrh
Dear sir,
  
 when i excute wish8.5 , it'll show the information  
wish8.5[5112]:segfault at 0 ip(null) sp bfc67b60 error 4 in 
wish8.5[8048000+1000]  Segmentation fault.

  i have installed tk8.5/tcl8.5 in a  Development Machine ,then i copy 
wish8.5 and the lib it needs to my target machine .
  my target machine is a i486 architecture with the linux kernel is 2.6.32 
+ rtai3.8 which is the same with my Development Machine .
 the wish8.5 can be excuted in my development machine ,but to my target 
machine ,it shows wish8.5[5112]:segfault at 0 ip(null) sp bfc67b60 error 4 in 
wish8.5[8048000+1000]  Segmentation fault. i don't know the reason.
yours
  liangrunhan
  
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Re: [Emc-users] BASE_PERIOD and Intel D525MW boards

2012-07-24 Thread John Stewart
Gene (and, others)

 
 I assume you also have the option set in the kernel line of your grub.conf 
 (or menu.lst, depending on the mood of the distro divided by the phase of 
 the moon) isolcpus=1,

Yes - e.g., top shows 1 processor. When running a Gcode program, it's averaging 
68% idle.

Hyperthreading is off in BIOS, as is audio, ethernet, and serial port.

I do have in the machine:

2nd PCI serial port; for cnc4pc mpg;
touch probe code in the HAL file (cnc4pc touch probe)

I did bring the BASE_PERIOD down from 30,000 to 28,000; last time a real time 
error came up was when moving the USB mouse over the linuxcnc window border. 
Poof! up comes the real time error message.

I guess I'll just live with it; it does take about 10 minutes for it to show 
up, so it's not too bad (I guess??)

Thanks;

John Stewart.


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Re: [Emc-users] xml for G540 and pncconf with 5i25?

2012-07-24 Thread Peter C. Wallace
On Wed, 25 Jul 2012, Chris Morley wrote:

 Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 00:47:48 +
 From: Chris Morley chrisinnana...@hotmail.com
 Reply-To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)
 emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
 To: EMC emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
 Subject: Re: [Emc-users] xml for G540 and pncconf with 5i25?
 



 Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 17:28:53 -0500
 From: sie...@gmail.com
 To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
 Subject: [Emc-users] xml for G540 and pncconf with 5i25?

 I got a G540 so I switched over the 5i25 firmware to the G540x2.  Was there
 an XML file for use with pncconf?   I did some searching and couldn't come
 up with anything.  I had used the prob_rfx2 xml with the BOB I had
 previously.

 Thanks
 Bryce

 I have not made a XML file for this yet... I thought it had a charge pump 
 component,
 which PNCconf doesn't know about but I can not see that in the PIN file, so I
 should be able to build one the PNCconf can already use... I'll see if I have 
 time tonight.

 Chris M

The latest G540 configuration uses a one output stepgen for the chargepump 
due to that rather annoying G540 feature that the chargepump needs a
10 KHz frequency which would force the use of a base thread if the bit was 
just GPIO (dont know why 500 Hz would not have done, oh well)

The chargepump stepgens are at the end numerically so dont interfere with 
the G540s stepgen assignment (they are stepgen 8 (P3) and 9 (P2))


There are a couple ways to get a square wave out of the stepgen. One is to set 
the position scale to 1, set stepgen output mode to quadrature and 
operating mode to velocity and finally set the velocity to .25 (this is .25 
instead of 1 because quadrature mode counts 4x as fast at step/dir mode)




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