Re: [Emc-users] new motherboard doa, twice

2014-12-14 Thread Gregg Eshelman
On 12/14/2014 11:00 AM, kqt4a...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sun, 14 Dec 2014, Peter C. Wallace wrote:

>> I guess I would start to suspect that you "free" RAM was bad...
>>
>
> He pulled  it from a running system. He wanted to get bigger sticks. Even
> without memory should not I get a video signal? Monitor reports "no vga
> signal". I think I am just screwed.

No memory = no worky. ;P A computer must have functional RAM in a 
supported configuration, and it must have a functional CPU that is 
supported both by the hardware and by the power supply capability of the 
board.

The CPU and RAM and some other parts have to pass the POST before the 
system gets around to looking for and turning on video.

Something else to check, both Intel and AMD have produced various CPUs 
that will plug into sockets they are not at all compatible with. If you 
are lucky all that will happen is the computer will do nothing instead 
of destroying the CPU with too much power or power applied to data 
connections.

I've been working with and on PC systems for 32 years now, seen a lot of 
crazy things with the hardware.

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Re: [Emc-users] new motherboard doa, twice

2014-12-14 Thread Gregg Eshelman
On 12/14/2014 9:14 AM, Peter Blodow wrote:
> When I was working with motherboards long ago, the beeps had e certain
> meaning that was described in the f... manual. Try to look it up in the
> internet, if you don't have a manual.
> Peter

Without the RAM installed, all the beeps will tell you is there's no 
RAM. One of those tell me something I don't already know bleedin obvious 
error messages. ;)

Kind of like how pre-1996 GM cars if you shorted the contacts in the 
ALDL and the only code the light blinked was 12, telling you the engine 
isn't running. Useless when you're attempting to discover *why* the 
engine will not run.

When troubleshooting a PC board that won't boot, the first thing is to 
install the minimum amount of supported RAM.

If the CPU is removable, you'll need one you know is supported by an 
older BIOS. Typically the BIOS chip will have a label with the revision 
number installed at manufacture. If that one doesn't support the CPU you 
want to use but a newer version does, you'll have to scrounge up an 
older/slower CPU just to use for updating the BIOS.

Some boards will go ahead and boot with an unrecognized CPU but will 
lock to a slow speed and may also prevent any setup changes.

But for a RAM configuration that's not supported, not going to boot.

Get a POST (Power On Self Test) card. They have two 7-segment LED 
displays that cycle through 2 digit hexadecimal numbers during POST and 
should end on FF (a few manufacturers don't end POST with FF), followed 
by beginning to boot the operating system.

If it stops partway through, the code it stops on, or the one just 
before it stops, will tell you what may be holding it up. 'Course if 
it's a non-removable part the board is toast, unless you want to ship it 
off to someone with an SMT rework setup and can find replacement components.

If the POST display instantly goes to FF when you hit the power button, 
that's most likely a bad CPU, or something major wrong with the board, 
such as a way out of spec or non-functioning power supply to the CPU.

A POST card can be bought for a few dollars and can be very helpful, 
especially when you need to prove that a brand new motherboard is defekt.

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Re: [Emc-users] 7i43 firmware for 7i44 sserial

2014-12-14 Thread Peter C. Wallace
On Sun, 14 Dec 2014, Chris Morley wrote:

> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 23:58:54 +
> From: Chris Morley 
> Reply-To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)"
> 
> To: EMC 
> Subject: Re: [Emc-users] 7i43 firmware for 7i44 sserial
> 
>
>
> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 11:48:46 -0800
> From: p...@mesanet.com
> To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: Re: [Emc-users] 7i43 firmware for 7i44 sserial
>
>
> This should be close (for a 4 axis servo+ 7I44 setup on a 7i43-400)
>
> I can build a more up-to date one on Monday
>
>
> Thanks Peter, unfortunately I (forgot to mention that) have a 7i43-200.
>
>
> Chris M

OK Ill have to build one

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Re: [Emc-users] 7i43 firmware for 7i44 sserial

2014-12-14 Thread Chris Morley


Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 11:48:46 -0800
From: p...@mesanet.com
To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Emc-users] 7i43 firmware for 7i44 sserial

 
This should be close (for a 4 axis servo+ 7I44 setup on a 7i43-400)
 
I can build a more up-to date one on Monday
 

Thanks Peter, unfortunately I (forgot to mention that) have a 7i43-200.


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Re: [Emc-users] Back to MANUAL after MDI or AUTO

2014-12-14 Thread Marius Liebenberg

On 2014-12-14 21:30, Sebastian Kuzminsky wrote:
> On 12/14/2014 08:57 AM, Marius Liebenberg wrote:
>> Is there a way to get the machine back to manual mode from within a sub
>> routine. I would like to go back to manual mode after I used LatheMacro
>> or NGCGUI.
> There's no existing G-code that switches to Manual mode.
>
> You could write a custom M-code that runs a shell script that makes a
> rising edge the halui pin "halui.mode.manual".
>

Good idea thanks Seb.


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Re: [Emc-users] new motherboard doa, twice

2014-12-14 Thread kqt4at5v
On Sun, 14 Dec 2014, jrmitchellj . wrote:

> In the past, some of the motherboards I have bought came with the CMOS
> jumper in the reset position.  That holds the system settings in a cleared
> and won't allow the system to start.  You may want to check for  that.
>
> Ray
>
> --J. Ray Mitchell Jr.
> jrmitche...@gmail.com
> (818)324-7573
>
>
> The things we admire in men, kindness and generosity, openness, honesty,
> understanding and feeling are the concomitants of failure in our system.
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> egotism and self-interest are the traits of success. And while men admire
> the quality of the first they love the produce of the second.
> -John Steinbeck, novelist, Nobel laureate (1902-1968)
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 14, 2014 at 11:23 AM,  wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, 14 Dec 2014, Chris Morley wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Is the memory in the right slot?
>>>
>>> Sent from my HTC
>>>
>>> - Reply message -
>>> From: kqt4a...@gmail.com
>>> To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" >>
>>> Subject: [Emc-users] new motherboard doa, twice
>>> Date: Sun, Dec 14, 2014 9:59 AM
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, 14 Dec 2014, Dave Cole wrote:
>>>
 Peter is right.   You need to read the manual.   Motherboards beep in
 codes on startup if something is wrong.

 Do you have the 4pin power plug jack connected on the MB?   I think the
 1900's all require those to be connected to the power supply.

 Otherwise beep code!

 Dave

 On 12/14/2014 11:14 AM, Peter Blodow wrote:
> When I was working with motherboards long ago, the beeps had e certain
> meaning that was described in the f... manual. Try to look it up in the
> internet, if you don't have a manual.
> Peter
>
> Am 14.12.2014 16:44, schrieb kqt4a...@gmail.com:
>> I ordered a ASRock G1900M Pro3. When I power it up I get nothing. Not
>> a
>> flicker. A friend had a 4GB memory stick that he let me have, G.Skill
>> F3-1600C11S-4GNS. I asked ASRock if this memory would work and they
>> said
>> yes. If I remove the memory the board beeps 3 times pauses and
>> repeats.
>> The power supply was running another board ok. I hooked the monitor
>> and
>> cable to another computer and it is ok. I have the monitor hooked up
>> to
>> the vga port. I returned the board and they sent another and it does
>> the
>> same thing. I preferred this board because of the pci slots. What do
>> you
>> think? Should I return it for a refund or swap it for another. It cost
>> about $14.00 to send it back.
>>
>> Richard
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The beeps only occur with no memory installed otherwise silence. I have
>>> the 20 + 4 power plugged in. This board does not have a 4 pin plug for
>>> cpu. The manual does not have any info requarding beep code.
>>>
>>
>> The manual says with one stick to put it in A as I initially did. I also
>> tried B just for the hell of it :)
>>
>>

As an act of desperation I tried clearing the cmos. Still no go.

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Re: [Emc-users] new motherboard doa, twice

2014-12-14 Thread jrmitchellj .
In the past, some of the motherboards I have bought came with the CMOS
jumper in the reset position.  That holds the system settings in a cleared
and won't allow the system to start.  You may want to check for  that.

Ray

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On Sun, Dec 14, 2014 at 11:23 AM,  wrote:
>
> On Sun, 14 Dec 2014, Chris Morley wrote:
>
> >
> > Is the memory in the right slot?
> >
> > Sent from my HTC
> >
> > - Reply message -
> > From: kqt4a...@gmail.com
> > To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)"  >
> > Subject: [Emc-users] new motherboard doa, twice
> > Date: Sun, Dec 14, 2014 9:59 AM
> >
> >
> > On Sun, 14 Dec 2014, Dave Cole wrote:
> >
> >> Peter is right.   You need to read the manual.   Motherboards beep in
> >> codes on startup if something is wrong.
> >>
> >> Do you have the 4pin power plug jack connected on the MB?   I think the
> >> 1900's all require those to be connected to the power supply.
> >>
> >> Otherwise beep code!
> >>
> >> Dave
> >>
> >> On 12/14/2014 11:14 AM, Peter Blodow wrote:
> >>> When I was working with motherboards long ago, the beeps had e certain
> >>> meaning that was described in the f... manual. Try to look it up in the
> >>> internet, if you don't have a manual.
> >>> Peter
> >>>
> >>> Am 14.12.2014 16:44, schrieb kqt4a...@gmail.com:
>  I ordered a ASRock G1900M Pro3. When I power it up I get nothing. Not
> a
>  flicker. A friend had a 4GB memory stick that he let me have, G.Skill
>  F3-1600C11S-4GNS. I asked ASRock if this memory would work and they
> said
>  yes. If I remove the memory the board beeps 3 times pauses and
> repeats.
>  The power supply was running another board ok. I hooked the monitor
> and
>  cable to another computer and it is ok. I have the monitor hooked up
> to
>  the vga port. I returned the board and they sent another and it does
> the
>  same thing. I preferred this board because of the pci slots. What do
> you
>  think? Should I return it for a refund or swap it for another. It cost
>  about $14.00 to send it back.
> 
>  Richard
> 
> >
> >
> > The beeps only occur with no memory installed otherwise silence. I have
> > the 20 + 4 power plugged in. This board does not have a 4 pin plug for
> > cpu. The manual does not have any info requarding beep code.
> >
>
> The manual says with one stick to put it in A as I initially did. I also
> tried B just for the hell of it :)
>
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Re: [Emc-users] Back to MANUAL after MDI or AUTO

2014-12-14 Thread Sebastian Kuzminsky
On 12/14/2014 08:57 AM, Marius Liebenberg wrote:
> Is there a way to get the machine back to manual mode from within a sub 
> routine. I would like to go back to manual mode after I used LatheMacro 
> or NGCGUI.

There's no existing G-code that switches to Manual mode.

You could write a custom M-code that runs a shell script that makes a
rising edge the halui pin "halui.mode.manual".


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[Emc-users] 7i43 firmware for 7i44 sserial

2014-12-14 Thread Chris Morley
Is there firmware available for the 7i43, so 
I can use the 7i44 sserial card?
The other connector can be anything.
I looked on Mesa's site but found nothing
applicable.
ultimately I will use the 7i73 with the 7i44.
Time to build a usable operator panel...

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Re: [Emc-users] Lathe/turning CAM solutions

2014-12-14 Thread Dave Cole
I've used an online nesting service that worked great.   I think it cost 
$5.00 per nest or so, but the same nesting software if I were to buy it 
was thousands of dollars.
The money saved by doing effective nesting was large.. making the $5.00 
per nest charge insignificant.

It will be interesting to see if they succeed.$25/month is pretty cheap.

Dave

On 12/14/2014 1:33 PM, Tom Easterday wrote:
> You are probably right. I am not a fan of the subscription software model, 
> especially when you have to be online to have access to most features.  
> However, I see the value in paying monthly for some and in the case of Fusion 
> 360 it is a very powerful CAD/CAM solution that normally cost thousands/yr.
> -Tom
>
>> On Dec 14, 2014, at 12:54 PM, a k  wrote:
>>
>> hi
>> i think that Fusion 360will be bad news for small cad/cam companies.
>> structure where need to pay only every month is much better than buy
>> something that you may not need it few month etc
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 14, 2014 at 8:00 AM, Tom Easterday  wrote:
>>>
 On Dec 13, 2014, at 7:39 PM, a k  wrote:

 hi
 this is new and only 25$ per moth

>>> http://fusion360.autodesk.com/about?ts_c=search&ts_s=Search&ts_d=NA&mktvar002=Fusion360Search
>>>
>>> Fusion 360 does not have turning cam, I was a beta tester for the milling
>>> CAM that it does contain.  They hope to have it sometime next year or 2016.
>>> -Tom
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Re: [Emc-users] new motherboard doa, twice

2014-12-14 Thread kqt4at5v
On Sun, 14 Dec 2014, Chris Morley wrote:

>
> Is the memory in the right slot?
>
> Sent from my HTC
>
> - Reply message -
> From: kqt4a...@gmail.com
> To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" 
> Subject: [Emc-users] new motherboard doa, twice
> Date: Sun, Dec 14, 2014 9:59 AM
>
>
> On Sun, 14 Dec 2014, Dave Cole wrote:
>
>> Peter is right.   You need to read the manual.   Motherboards beep in
>> codes on startup if something is wrong.
>>
>> Do you have the 4pin power plug jack connected on the MB?   I think the
>> 1900's all require those to be connected to the power supply.
>>
>> Otherwise beep code!
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> On 12/14/2014 11:14 AM, Peter Blodow wrote:
>>> When I was working with motherboards long ago, the beeps had e certain
>>> meaning that was described in the f... manual. Try to look it up in the
>>> internet, if you don't have a manual.
>>> Peter
>>>
>>> Am 14.12.2014 16:44, schrieb kqt4a...@gmail.com:
 I ordered a ASRock G1900M Pro3. When I power it up I get nothing. Not a
 flicker. A friend had a 4GB memory stick that he let me have, G.Skill
 F3-1600C11S-4GNS. I asked ASRock if this memory would work and they said
 yes. If I remove the memory the board beeps 3 times pauses and repeats.
 The power supply was running another board ok. I hooked the monitor and
 cable to another computer and it is ok. I have the monitor hooked up to
 the vga port. I returned the board and they sent another and it does the
 same thing. I preferred this board because of the pci slots. What do you
 think? Should I return it for a refund or swap it for another. It cost
 about $14.00 to send it back.

 Richard

>
>
> The beeps only occur with no memory installed otherwise silence. I have
> the 20 + 4 power plugged in. This board does not have a 4 pin plug for
> cpu. The manual does not have any info requarding beep code.
>

The manual says with one stick to put it in A as I initially did. I also 
tried B just for the hell of it :)

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Re: [Emc-users] new motherboard doa, twice

2014-12-14 Thread kqt4at5v
On Sun, 14 Dec 2014, Peter C. Wallace wrote:

> On Sun, 14 Dec 2014, kqt4a...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 12:00:35 -0600 (CST)
>> From: kqt4a...@gmail.com
>> Reply-To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)"
>> 
>> To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" 
>> Subject: Re: [Emc-users] new motherboard doa, twice
>>
>> On Sun, 14 Dec 2014, Peter C. Wallace wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 14 Dec 2014, kqt4a...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 09:44:08 -0600 (CST)
 From: kqt4a...@gmail.com
 Reply-To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)"
 
 To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
 Subject: [Emc-users] new motherboard doa, twice

 I ordered a ASRock G1900M Pro3. When I power it up I get nothing. Not a
 flicker. A friend had a 4GB memory stick that he let me have, G.Skill
 F3-1600C11S-4GNS. I asked ASRock if this memory would work and they said
 yes. If I remove the memory the board beeps 3 times pauses and repeats.
 The power supply was running another board ok. I hooked the monitor and
 cable to another computer and it is ok. I have the monitor hooked up to
 the vga port. I returned the board and they sent another and it does the
 same thing. I preferred this board because of the pci slots. What do you
 think? Should I return it for a refund or swap it for another. It cost
 about $14.00 to send it back.

 Richard
>>>
>>>
>>> I guess I would start to suspect that you "free" RAM was bad...
>>>
>>
>> He pulled  it from a running system. He wanted to get bigger sticks. Even
>> without memory should not I get a video signal? Monitor reports "no vga
>> signal". I think I am just screwed.
>
> You will not get video without memory...
>

I am returning memory to friend and ordering new.
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Re: [Emc-users] new motherboard doa, twice

2014-12-14 Thread Peter C. Wallace
On Sun, 14 Dec 2014, kqt4a...@gmail.com wrote:

> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 12:00:35 -0600 (CST)
> From: kqt4a...@gmail.com
> Reply-To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)"
> 
> To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" 
> Subject: Re: [Emc-users] new motherboard doa, twice
> 
> On Sun, 14 Dec 2014, Peter C. Wallace wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 14 Dec 2014, kqt4a...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 09:44:08 -0600 (CST)
>>> From: kqt4a...@gmail.com
>>> Reply-To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)"
>>> 
>>> To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
>>> Subject: [Emc-users] new motherboard doa, twice
>>>
>>> I ordered a ASRock G1900M Pro3. When I power it up I get nothing. Not a
>>> flicker. A friend had a 4GB memory stick that he let me have, G.Skill
>>> F3-1600C11S-4GNS. I asked ASRock if this memory would work and they said
>>> yes. If I remove the memory the board beeps 3 times pauses and repeats.
>>> The power supply was running another board ok. I hooked the monitor and
>>> cable to another computer and it is ok. I have the monitor hooked up to
>>> the vga port. I returned the board and they sent another and it does the
>>> same thing. I preferred this board because of the pci slots. What do you
>>> think? Should I return it for a refund or swap it for another. It cost
>>> about $14.00 to send it back.
>>>
>>> Richard
>>
>>
>> I guess I would start to suspect that you "free" RAM was bad...
>>
>
> He pulled  it from a running system. He wanted to get bigger sticks. Even
> without memory should not I get a video signal? Monitor reports "no vga
> signal". I think I am just screwed.

You will not get video without memory...



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Re: [Emc-users] new motherboard doa, twice

2014-12-14 Thread Chris Morley

Is the memory in the right slot?

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On Sun, 14 Dec 2014, Dave Cole wrote:

> Peter is right.   You need to read the manual.   Motherboards beep in
> codes on startup if something is wrong.
>
> Do you have the 4pin power plug jack connected on the MB?   I think the
> 1900's all require those to be connected to the power supply.
>
> Otherwise beep code!
>
> Dave
>
> On 12/14/2014 11:14 AM, Peter Blodow wrote:
>> When I was working with motherboards long ago, the beeps had e certain
>> meaning that was described in the f... manual. Try to look it up in the
>> internet, if you don't have a manual.
>> Peter
>>
>> Am 14.12.2014 16:44, schrieb kqt4a...@gmail.com:
>>> I ordered a ASRock G1900M Pro3. When I power it up I get nothing. Not a
>>> flicker. A friend had a 4GB memory stick that he let me have, G.Skill
>>> F3-1600C11S-4GNS. I asked ASRock if this memory would work and they said
>>> yes. If I remove the memory the board beeps 3 times pauses and repeats.
>>> The power supply was running another board ok. I hooked the monitor and
>>> cable to another computer and it is ok. I have the monitor hooked up to
>>> the vga port. I returned the board and they sent another and it does the
>>> same thing. I preferred this board because of the pci slots. What do you
>>> think? Should I return it for a refund or swap it for another. It cost
>>> about $14.00 to send it back.
>>>
>>> Richard
>>>


The beeps only occur with no memory installed otherwise silence. I have
the 20 + 4 power plugged in. This board does not have a 4 pin plug for
cpu. The manual does not have any info requarding beep code.

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Re: [Emc-users] Lathe/turning CAM solutions

2014-12-14 Thread Tom Easterday
You are probably right. I am not a fan of the subscription software model, 
especially when you have to be online to have access to most features.  
However, I see the value in paying monthly for some and in the case of Fusion 
360 it is a very powerful CAD/CAM solution that normally cost thousands/yr. 
-Tom

> On Dec 14, 2014, at 12:54 PM, a k  wrote:
> 
> hi
> i think that Fusion 360will be bad news for small cad/cam companies.
> structure where need to pay only every month is much better than buy
> something that you may not need it few month etc
> 
> On Sun, Dec 14, 2014 at 8:00 AM, Tom Easterday  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 13, 2014, at 7:39 PM, a k  wrote:
>>> 
>>> hi
>>> this is new and only 25$ per moth
>>> 
>> http://fusion360.autodesk.com/about?ts_c=search&ts_s=Search&ts_d=NA&mktvar002=Fusion360Search
>> 
>> Fusion 360 does not have turning cam, I was a beta tester for the milling
>> CAM that it does contain.  They hope to have it sometime next year or 2016.
>> -Tom
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Re: [Emc-users] new motherboard doa, twice

2014-12-14 Thread Przemek Klosowski
Two bad motherboards are less likely than one bad DIMM. Yes, you
wouldn't get video if the memory was bad---without memory, the system
probably runs a limited amount of code from BIOS ROM, and stops trying
to test and use memory, before initializing the video subsystem.
Since memory costs around 10$/GB, I'd definitely try getting whatever
DIMM ASROCK recommends and test with that.

On Sun, Dec 14, 2014 at 1:00 PM,   wrote:
> On Sun, 14 Dec 2014, Peter C. Wallace wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 14 Dec 2014, kqt4a...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 09:44:08 -0600 (CST)
>>> From: kqt4a...@gmail.com
>>> Reply-To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)"
>>> 
>>> To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
>>> Subject: [Emc-users] new motherboard doa, twice
>>>
>>> I ordered a ASRock G1900M Pro3. When I power it up I get nothing. Not a
>>> flicker. A friend had a 4GB memory stick that he let me have, G.Skill
>>> F3-1600C11S-4GNS. I asked ASRock if this memory would work and they said
>>> yes. If I remove the memory the board beeps 3 times pauses and repeats.
>>> The power supply was running another board ok. I hooked the monitor and
>>> cable to another computer and it is ok. I have the monitor hooked up to
>>> the vga port. I returned the board and they sent another and it does the
>>> same thing. I preferred this board because of the pci slots. What do you
>>> think? Should I return it for a refund or swap it for another. It cost
>>> about $14.00 to send it back.
>>>
>>> Richard
>>
>>
>> I guess I would start to suspect that you "free" RAM was bad...
>>
>
> He pulled  it from a running system. He wanted to get bigger sticks. Even
> without memory should not I get a video signal? Monitor reports "no vga
> signal". I think I am just screwed.
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Re: [Emc-users] new motherboard doa, twice

2014-12-14 Thread kqt4at5v
On Sun, 14 Dec 2014, Peter C. Wallace wrote:

> On Sun, 14 Dec 2014, kqt4a...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 09:44:08 -0600 (CST)
>> From: kqt4a...@gmail.com
>> Reply-To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)"
>> 
>> To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
>> Subject: [Emc-users] new motherboard doa, twice
>>
>> I ordered a ASRock G1900M Pro3. When I power it up I get nothing. Not a
>> flicker. A friend had a 4GB memory stick that he let me have, G.Skill
>> F3-1600C11S-4GNS. I asked ASRock if this memory would work and they said
>> yes. If I remove the memory the board beeps 3 times pauses and repeats.
>> The power supply was running another board ok. I hooked the monitor and
>> cable to another computer and it is ok. I have the monitor hooked up to
>> the vga port. I returned the board and they sent another and it does the
>> same thing. I preferred this board because of the pci slots. What do you
>> think? Should I return it for a refund or swap it for another. It cost
>> about $14.00 to send it back.
>>
>> Richard
>
>
> I guess I would start to suspect that you "free" RAM was bad...
>

He pulled  it from a running system. He wanted to get bigger sticks. Even 
without memory should not I get a video signal? Monitor reports "no vga 
signal". I think I am just screwed.

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Re: [Emc-users] new motherboard doa, twice

2014-12-14 Thread kqt4at5v
On Sun, 14 Dec 2014, Dave Cole wrote:

> Peter is right.   You need to read the manual.   Motherboards beep in
> codes on startup if something is wrong.
>
> Do you have the 4pin power plug jack connected on the MB?   I think the
> 1900's all require those to be connected to the power supply.
>
> Otherwise beep code!
>
> Dave
>
> On 12/14/2014 11:14 AM, Peter Blodow wrote:
>> When I was working with motherboards long ago, the beeps had e certain
>> meaning that was described in the f... manual. Try to look it up in the
>> internet, if you don't have a manual.
>> Peter
>>
>> Am 14.12.2014 16:44, schrieb kqt4a...@gmail.com:
>>> I ordered a ASRock G1900M Pro3. When I power it up I get nothing. Not a
>>> flicker. A friend had a 4GB memory stick that he let me have, G.Skill
>>> F3-1600C11S-4GNS. I asked ASRock if this memory would work and they said
>>> yes. If I remove the memory the board beeps 3 times pauses and repeats.
>>> The power supply was running another board ok. I hooked the monitor and
>>> cable to another computer and it is ok. I have the monitor hooked up to
>>> the vga port. I returned the board and they sent another and it does the
>>> same thing. I preferred this board because of the pci slots. What do you
>>> think? Should I return it for a refund or swap it for another. It cost
>>> about $14.00 to send it back.
>>>
>>> Richard
>>>


The beeps only occur with no memory installed otherwise silence. I have 
the 20 + 4 power plugged in. This board does not have a 4 pin plug for 
cpu. The manual does not have any info requarding beep code.

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Re: [Emc-users] Lathe/turning CAM solutions

2014-12-14 Thread a k
hi
i think that Fusion 360will be bad news for small cad/cam companies.
structure where need to pay only every month is much better than buy
something that you may not need it few month etc

On Sun, Dec 14, 2014 at 8:00 AM, Tom Easterday  wrote:
>
>
> > On Dec 13, 2014, at 7:39 PM, a k  wrote:
> >
> > hi
> > this is new and only 25$ per moth
> >
> http://fusion360.autodesk.com/about?ts_c=search&ts_s=Search&ts_d=NA&mktvar002=Fusion360Search
>
> Fusion 360 does not have turning cam, I was a beta tester for the milling
> CAM that it does contain.  They hope to have it sometime next year or 2016.
> -Tom
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Re: [Emc-users] new motherboard doa, twice

2014-12-14 Thread Peter C. Wallace
On Sun, 14 Dec 2014, kqt4a...@gmail.com wrote:

> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 09:44:08 -0600 (CST)
> From: kqt4a...@gmail.com
> Reply-To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)"
> 
> To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: [Emc-users] new motherboard doa, twice
> 
> I ordered a ASRock G1900M Pro3. When I power it up I get nothing. Not a
> flicker. A friend had a 4GB memory stick that he let me have, G.Skill
> F3-1600C11S-4GNS. I asked ASRock if this memory would work and they said
> yes. If I remove the memory the board beeps 3 times pauses and repeats.
> The power supply was running another board ok. I hooked the monitor and
> cable to another computer and it is ok. I have the monitor hooked up to
> the vga port. I returned the board and they sent another and it does the
> same thing. I preferred this board because of the pci slots. What do you
> think? Should I return it for a refund or swap it for another. It cost
> about $14.00 to send it back.
>
> Richard


I guess I would start to suspect that you "free" RAM was bad...


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Re: [Emc-users] new motherboard doa, twice

2014-12-14 Thread Dave Cole
Peter is right.   You need to read the manual.   Motherboards beep in 
codes on startup if something is wrong.

Do you have the 4pin power plug jack connected on the MB?   I think the 
1900's all require those to be connnected to the power supply.

Otherwise beep code!

Dave

On 12/14/2014 11:14 AM, Peter Blodow wrote:
> When I was working with motherboards long ago, the beeps had e certain
> meaning that was described in the f... manual. Try to look it up in the
> internet, if you don't have a manual.
> Peter
>
> Am 14.12.2014 16:44, schrieb kqt4a...@gmail.com:
>> I ordered a ASRock G1900M Pro3. When I power it up I get nothing. Not a
>> flicker. A friend had a 4GB memory stick that he let me have, G.Skill
>> F3-1600C11S-4GNS. I asked ASRock if this memory would work and they said
>> yes. If I remove the memory the board beeps 3 times pauses and repeats.
>> The power supply was running another board ok. I hooked the monitor and
>> cable to another computer and it is ok. I have the monitor hooked up to
>> the vga port. I returned the board and they sent another and it does the
>> same thing. I preferred this board because of the pci slots. What do you
>> think? Should I return it for a refund or swap it for another. It cost
>> about $14.00 to send it back.
>>
>> Richard
>>
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Re: [Emc-users] mesa board --7i33

2014-12-14 Thread Dave Cole
Servo drives and VFDs are two different animals.

VFDs are typically designed to spin "squirrel cage" induction motors 
(think standard 3 phase motors), where rotor slip is used to generate 
the magnetic field in the rotor.   Servo drives are designed to spin 
synchronous AC motors/servo motors that typically have a magnet rotor.  
The rotor never slips out of phase with the field.   And that is why 
servo drives/motors can be used as positioning systems.
Some servo drives can be dumbed down to spin induction motors but there 
is little point in doing that since servo drives are typically much more 
expensive.
Trying to mix servo drive and servo motor manufactures gets very 
tricky.   You need to fully understand the motor and its specs and then 
you need to have a Servo drive that is adjustable
and adaptable to that motor and encoder type.Many cheaper drives are 
designed to connect to one or two models of motors and that is it.  This 
is not a good place to guess at anything.

Dave

On 12/14/2014 3:56 AM, Marius Liebenberg wrote:
> On 2014-12-14 09:24, a k wrote:
>> Hi
>> i use 5i20+ 7i33
>> i am interesting if i can use this ac motor drive
>> http://www.anaheimautomation.com/products/ac/ac-drivers-controllers.php?tID=1176&pt=t&cID=385
> It would seem that those are normal VFD. A servo drive and a VFD are not
> the same thing. If you want to drive a spindle then the VFD is good
> enough but for servos you should use a matching servo drive. The servo
> drive has a control loop that requires the encoder to be connected to
> the drive itself. I have not tried to use VFD in a servo loop but I am
> fairly sure that it will not work as well a servo drive but I might be
> wrong about this.
>
>> and i will use PIN--ENAO -- to drive -motor drive (+/- 5 V DC)
>>
>> and signals from ac servo motor encoder directly connect to 7i33 board
>> a, a-, b, b-
>> ?
>> thank you
>> aram
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 13, 2014 at 10:39 PM, Marius Liebenberg 
>> wrote:
>>> On 2014-12-14 07:12, a k wrote:
 hi
 board 7i33 has 50 pin connector - that controls 4 servomotor.
 each set of 12 pins -wires control control one servo drive/servomotor.
 here are the pins
 ENCA0-encoder A
 /ENCA0---encoder A-
 ENCB0encoder B
 /ENCB0encoder B-

 IDX0---what type of signal is it--how it used ?
 /IDXO--what type of signal is it--how it used?
>>> Aram, these are the differential inputs for the INDEX signal from the
>>> quadrature encoder. You can use that in several ways but mostly it is
>>> used when doing threading. There are other uses as well as I said.
>>>
 //
 reason--from servo motor encoder output signals -A,A-,B,B- ---and i can
>>> see
 corresponding pins on 7i33 board.
 what is the relation between --IDX0, -IDXO with U,U-,V,V-,W,W-?
 
 7I33 board has pin VCC-- is this out put +/-5 V DC that drives  motor
>>> drive?
 /
 PIN --ENA0 -from 7i33 --- what is function of this pin?
>>> This is usually the servo drive enable signal. It could be wired in HAL
>>> to machine-is-on or any other function that you choose.
 thank you
 aram

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Re: [Emc-users] new motherboard doa, twice

2014-12-14 Thread Peter Blodow
When I was working with motherboards long ago, the beeps had e certain 
meaning that was described in the f... manual. Try to look it up in the 
internet, if you don't have a manual.
Peter

Am 14.12.2014 16:44, schrieb kqt4a...@gmail.com:
> I ordered a ASRock G1900M Pro3. When I power it up I get nothing. Not a
> flicker. A friend had a 4GB memory stick that he let me have, G.Skill
> F3-1600C11S-4GNS. I asked ASRock if this memory would work and they said
> yes. If I remove the memory the board beeps 3 times pauses and repeats.
> The power supply was running another board ok. I hooked the monitor and
> cable to another computer and it is ok. I have the monitor hooked up to
> the vga port. I returned the board and they sent another and it does the
> same thing. I preferred this board because of the pci slots. What do you
> think? Should I return it for a refund or swap it for another. It cost
> about $14.00 to send it back.
>
> Richard
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Re: [Emc-users] Lathe/turning CAM solutions

2014-12-14 Thread Tom Easterday

> On Dec 13, 2014, at 7:39 PM, a k  wrote:
> 
> hi
> this is new and only 25$ per moth
> http://fusion360.autodesk.com/about?ts_c=search&ts_s=Search&ts_d=NA&mktvar002=Fusion360Search

Fusion 360 does not have turning cam, I was a beta tester for the milling CAM 
that it does contain.  They hope to have it sometime next year or 2016.
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[Emc-users] Back to MANUAL after MDI or AUTO

2014-12-14 Thread Marius Liebenberg
Hi All
Is there a way to get the machine back to manual mode from within a sub 
routine. I would like to go back to manual mode after I used LatheMacro 
or NGCGUI.


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[Emc-users] new motherboard doa, twice

2014-12-14 Thread kqt4at5v
I ordered a ASRock G1900M Pro3. When I power it up I get nothing. Not a 
flicker. A friend had a 4GB memory stick that he let me have, G.Skill 
F3-1600C11S-4GNS. I asked ASRock if this memory would work and they said 
yes. If I remove the memory the board beeps 3 times pauses and repeats. 
The power supply was running another board ok. I hooked the monitor and 
cable to another computer and it is ok. I have the monitor hooked up to 
the vga port. I returned the board and they sent another and it does the 
same thing. I preferred this board because of the pci slots. What do you 
think? Should I return it for a refund or swap it for another. It cost 
about $14.00 to send it back.

Richard

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Re: [Emc-users] Lathe/turning CAM solutions

2014-12-14 Thread John Thornton
Also, you can use Gedit with Arc Generator to build a G code file. I 
just need to add the XZ to the Arc Generator if your interested.

JT

On 12/13/2014 9:53 AM, Tom Easterday wrote:
> Does anyone know of a relatively inexpensive CAM package for turning?  We use 
> Sheetcam and (to a lesser extent) MeshCAM for milling and jet cutting 
> toolpaths.  We are working on a lathe retrofit and would like to find a good 
> standalone CAM package that can generate lathe toolpaths.  The facility where 
> this lathe will ultimately end up (http://maker-works.com)  may, or may not, 
> be eligible for educational pricing.   Also, if there are no < $500usd 
> options what are the next best options in terms of functionality/$ ?
>
> -Tom
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Re: [Emc-users] Lathe/turning CAM solutions

2014-12-14 Thread John Thornton
As said all ops on a lathe can be done with ngcgui even profiles if you 
have the G code for the profile.

The latest list of subroutines I use is here: 
http://gnipsel.com/shop/hardinge/hardinge.xhtml
Face
OD
Taper OD
Radius OD
Thread OD
Drill
Bore
Tap

JT

On 12/13/2014 9:53 AM, Tom Easterday wrote:
> Does anyone know of a relatively inexpensive CAM package for turning?  We use 
> Sheetcam and (to a lesser extent) MeshCAM for milling and jet cutting 
> toolpaths.  We are working on a lathe retrofit and would like to find a good 
> standalone CAM package that can generate lathe toolpaths.  The facility where 
> this lathe will ultimately end up (http://maker-works.com)  may, or may not, 
> be eligible for educational pricing.   Also, if there are no < $500usd 
> options what are the next best options in terms of functionality/$ ?
>
> -Tom
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Re: [Emc-users] Lathe/turning CAM solutions

2014-12-14 Thread John Thornton
Oh I forgot NPT

JT

On 12/13/2014 9:53 AM, Tom Easterday wrote:
> Does anyone know of a relatively inexpensive CAM package for turning?  We use 
> Sheetcam and (to a lesser extent) MeshCAM for milling and jet cutting 
> toolpaths.  We are working on a lathe retrofit and would like to find a good 
> standalone CAM package that can generate lathe toolpaths.  The facility where 
> this lathe will ultimately end up (http://maker-works.com)  may, or may not, 
> be eligible for educational pricing.   Also, if there are no < $500usd 
> options what are the next best options in terms of functionality/$ ?
>
> -Tom
>
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Re: [Emc-users] mesa board --7i33

2014-12-14 Thread Marius Liebenberg

On 2014-12-14 09:24, a k wrote:
> Hi
> i use 5i20+ 7i33
> i am interesting if i can use this ac motor drive
> http://www.anaheimautomation.com/products/ac/ac-drivers-controllers.php?tID=1176&pt=t&cID=385
It would seem that those are normal VFD. A servo drive and a VFD are not 
the same thing. If you want to drive a spindle then the VFD is good 
enough but for servos you should use a matching servo drive. The servo 
drive has a control loop that requires the encoder to be connected to 
the drive itself. I have not tried to use VFD in a servo loop but I am 
fairly sure that it will not work as well a servo drive but I might be 
wrong about this.

> and i will use PIN--ENAO -- to drive -motor drive (+/- 5 V DC)
>
> and signals from ac servo motor encoder directly connect to 7i33 board
> a, a-, b, b-
> ?
> thank you
> aram
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 13, 2014 at 10:39 PM, Marius Liebenberg 
> wrote:
>>
>> On 2014-12-14 07:12, a k wrote:
>>> hi
>>> board 7i33 has 50 pin connector - that controls 4 servomotor.
>>> each set of 12 pins -wires control control one servo drive/servomotor.
>>> here are the pins
>>> ENCA0-encoder A
>>> /ENCA0---encoder A-
>>> ENCB0encoder B
>>> /ENCB0encoder B-
>>>
>>> IDX0---what type of signal is it--how it used ?
>>> /IDXO--what type of signal is it--how it used?
>> Aram, these are the differential inputs for the INDEX signal from the
>> quadrature encoder. You can use that in several ways but mostly it is
>> used when doing threading. There are other uses as well as I said.
>>
>>> //
>>> reason--from servo motor encoder output signals -A,A-,B,B- ---and i can
>> see
>>> corresponding pins on 7i33 board.
>>> what is the relation between --IDX0, -IDXO with U,U-,V,V-,W,W-?
>>> 
>>> 7I33 board has pin VCC-- is this out put +/-5 V DC that drives  motor
>> drive?
>>> /
>>> PIN --ENA0 -from 7i33 --- what is function of this pin?
>> This is usually the servo drive enable signal. It could be wired in HAL
>> to machine-is-on or any other function that you choose.
>>> thank you
>>> aram
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Re: [Emc-users] sevomotor -encoder

2014-12-14 Thread Andrew
2014-12-14 6:10 GMT+02:00 a k https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?view=cm&fs=1&tf=1&to=pccncmach...@gmail.com>
>:
>
> Hi
> talk many times to servodynamics tech support and they said that
> servodynamics makes ac servomotor and motor drive they buy from lenze.
> i have 3 identical drive that i bought from servodinamics and 2 of them
> have paper stiker - say - lenze and one mark -servodynamic.
>
> 
>  interesting question
>
> servomotor that i have lenze/servodinamics- can close they loop by them
> self.
> for that reason that drive ask for these signals -from encoder
> a
> a-
> b
> b-
> u
> u-
> v
> v-
> w
> w-
> 5vdc
> gnd
> /
> but i do not need to drive close the loop!!!
> because linuxcnc will close the loop.
>
> /
> if this right then can i use
>
> http://www.anaheimautomation.com/products/ac/ac-drivers-controllers.php?tID=1176&pt=t&cID=385
>
> for the motor drive and send these signals
> a
> a-
> b
> b-
> u
> u-
> v
> v-
> w
> w-
> 5vdc
> gnd
> directly to emc2-linuxcnc ?
>
> the reason is that this drives cost 3 times less then drives that capable
> close the look -- function that i do not need.
>
> You can not use those drives. They're just VFDs for AC asynchronous
motors, and you have synchronous servo motors.

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