[Emc-users] Vacuum table Re: Yet another topic about gantry homing

[Roland Jollivet]

I think this way

is better.
You can model the zones on typical board sizes you would use, or as on
plotters, commonly used paper page sizes.

https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fi.ytimg.com%2Fvi%2Fh9jb-qMUuCE%2Fmaxresdefault.jpg&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dh9jb-qMUuCE&docid=tzWNl21hLNV6FM&tbnid=ZlxEJVnEj7T1CM%3A&vet=10ahUKEwjqr47mkfbdAhWsJcAKHRyECSwQMwh3KDMwMw..i&w=1280&h=720&client=firefox-b-ab&bih=805&biw=1600&q=vacuum%20table%20plotter%20zones&ved=0ahUKEwjqr47mkfbdAhWsJcAKHRyECSwQMwh3KDMwMw&iact=mrc&uact=8





On Mon, 8 Oct 2018 at 00:33, Leonardo Marsaglia 
wrote:

> Hello Gregg,
>
> Something like this is what you have in mind?
>
>
> http://www.phoenixcnccreations.com/our_shop_gallery/Vacuum%20System/2%20vac%206%20zone%20plenum_ball%20valves4.jpg
>
> It's a nice feature, and seems cheap and not hard to implement. That's
> probably the way I'll do it.
>
> El sáb., 6 oct. 2018 a las 18:07, Gregg Eshelman via Emc-users (<
> emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net>) escribió:
>
> > You could make the vacuum table with several zones, connected with a PVC
> > pipe manifold and ball valves to close off sections you're not using.
> That
> > would be easier than keeping stuff around to lay over unused sections of
> > the table.
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Re: [Emc-users] Vacuum table Re: Yet another topic about gantry homing

[Gregg Eshelman via Emc-users]

Pretty much exactly that. Plastic ball valves for PVC water pipe would be 
cheaper, unless you're building a table for heavy industrial use and will be 
turning the valves a large number of times per year. 

On Sunday, October 7, 2018, 4:34:21 PM MDT, Leonardo Marsaglia 
 wrote:  
 
 Hello Gregg,

Something like this is what you have in mind?

http://www.phoenixcnccreations.com/our_shop_gallery/Vacuum%20System/2%20vac%206%20zone%20plenum_ball%20valves4.jpg

It's a nice feature, and seems cheap and not hard to implement. That's
probably the way I'll do it.

El sáb., 6 oct. 2018 a las 18:07, Gregg Eshelman via Emc-users (<
emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net>) escribió:

> You could make the vacuum table with several zones, connected with a PVC
> pipe manifold and ball valves to close off sections you're not using. That
> would be easier than keeping stuff around to lay over unused sections of
> the table.  
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Re: [Emc-users] Vacuum table Re: Yet another topic about gantry homing

[Leonardo Marsaglia]

Hello Gregg,

Something like this is what you have in mind?

http://www.phoenixcnccreations.com/our_shop_gallery/Vacuum%20System/2%20vac%206%20zone%20plenum_ball%20valves4.jpg

It's a nice feature, and seems cheap and not hard to implement. That's
probably the way I'll do it.

El sáb., 6 oct. 2018 a las 18:07, Gregg Eshelman via Emc-users (<
emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net>) escribió:

> You could make the vacuum table with several zones, connected with a PVC
> pipe manifold and ball valves to close off sections you're not using. That
> would be easier than keeping stuff around to lay over unused sections of
> the table.
>
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Re: [Emc-users] new linuxcnc today, wants to rerun update_ini again

[Rene Hopf via Emc-users]

> On 7. Oct 2018, at 22:56, Gene Heskett  wrote:
> 
> On Sunday 07 October 2018 15:07:45 Rene Hopf via Emc-users wrote:
> 
>> thats related to multi spindle, the conversion script seems to be
>> incomplete. the message about joint-axis is confusing, it just
>> converts the spindle names. rename the pins to
>> halui.spindle.0.whatever
>> if you depend on spindle-at-speed, dont update, as that is currently
>> broken...
> 
> If its derived from a wcomp, reading a spindle encoder it should be okay? 
> I didn't check that for g33.1 or g76 functions on either machine, too 
> hot to muck around much in the shed with TLM. I have an led on that 
> signal on TLM, and it did seem to be working.
> 
> Or is this actually internal to motion?

the spindle-at-speed pin is affected. 
https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/issues/504 

> 
>> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/devel/html/man/man1/halui.1.html#PINS
>> 
>>> On 7. Oct 2018, at 20:53, Gene Heskett  wrote:
>>> 
>>> And it wants to do it on both machines I've updated today.
>>> 
>>> Checking the file, it was new yesterday.
>>> 
>>> Is it safe? Joints merger has been done once, and I had to do a fair
>>> bit of sorting to recover.
>>> 
>>> Doesn't look as if its safe:
>>> 
>>> gene@lathe:~/linuxcnc/configs/my_LinuxCNC_machine2$ linuxcnc  -l
>>> LINUXCNC - 2.8.0-pre1-3898-g6c5404a
>>> Machine configuration directory
>>> is '/home/gene/linuxcnc/configs/my_LinuxCNC_machine2'
>>> Machine configuration file is 'my_LinuxCNC_machine2.ini'
>>> Starting LinuxCNC...
>>> .
>>> Found file(REL): ./my_LinuxCNC_machine2.hal
>>> ./my_LinuxCNC_machine2.hal:452: Pin 'halui.spindle.forward' does not
>>> exist
>>> Shutting down and cleaning up LinuxCNC...
>>> Running HAL shutdown script
>>> LinuxCNC terminated with an error.  You can find more information in
>>> the log:
>>>   /home/gene/linuxcnc_debug.txt
>>> and
>>>   /home/gene/linuxcnc_print.txt
>>> as well as in the output of the shell command 'dmesg' and in the
>>> terminal
>>> 
>>> Just one comment, that pin does exist in both the old and new
>>> versions of my_LinuxCNC_machine2.hal.
>>> 
>>> So something has renamed, or deleted that pin. And  likely other
>>> associated pins since halui.spindle.reverse is next in that list.
>>> 
>>> Fixes?
> 
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Re: [Emc-users] new linuxcnc today, wants to rerun update_ini again

[Gene Heskett]

On Sunday 07 October 2018 15:07:45 Rene Hopf via Emc-users wrote:

> thats related to multi spindle, the conversion script seems to be
> incomplete. the message about joint-axis is confusing, it just
> converts the spindle names. rename the pins to
> halui.spindle.0.whatever
> if you depend on spindle-at-speed, dont update, as that is currently
> broken...

If its derived from a wcomp, reading a spindle encoder it should be okay? 
I didn't check that for g33.1 or g76 functions on either machine, too 
hot to muck around much in the shed with TLM. I have an led on that 
signal on TLM, and it did seem to be working.

Or is this actually internal to motion?

> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/devel/html/man/man1/halui.1.html#PINS
>
> > On 7. Oct 2018, at 20:53, Gene Heskett  wrote:
> >
> > And it wants to do it on both machines I've updated today.
> >
> > Checking the file, it was new yesterday.
> >
> > Is it safe? Joints merger has been done once, and I had to do a fair
> > bit of sorting to recover.
> >
> > Doesn't look as if its safe:
> >
> > gene@lathe:~/linuxcnc/configs/my_LinuxCNC_machine2$ linuxcnc  -l
> > LINUXCNC - 2.8.0-pre1-3898-g6c5404a
> > Machine configuration directory
> > is '/home/gene/linuxcnc/configs/my_LinuxCNC_machine2'
> > Machine configuration file is 'my_LinuxCNC_machine2.ini'
> > Starting LinuxCNC...
> > .
> > Found file(REL): ./my_LinuxCNC_machine2.hal
> > ./my_LinuxCNC_machine2.hal:452: Pin 'halui.spindle.forward' does not
> > exist
> > Shutting down and cleaning up LinuxCNC...
> > Running HAL shutdown script
> > LinuxCNC terminated with an error.  You can find more information in
> > the log:
> >/home/gene/linuxcnc_debug.txt
> > and
> >/home/gene/linuxcnc_print.txt
> > as well as in the output of the shell command 'dmesg' and in the
> > terminal
> >
> > Just one comment, that pin does exist in both the old and new
> > versions of my_LinuxCNC_machine2.hal.
> >
> > So something has renamed, or deleted that pin. And  likely other
> > associated pins since halui.spindle.reverse is next in that list.
> >
> > Fixes?

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Re: [Emc-users] new linuxcnc today, wants to rerun update_ini again

[Gene Heskett]

On Sunday 07 October 2018 15:06:28 andy pugh wrote:

> On Sun, 7 Oct 2018 at 19:55, Gene Heskett  wrote:
> > And it wants to do it on both machines I've updated today.
>
> Let it run, it should update the INI / HAL from 1.0 to 1.1 which
> handles changes to spindle pin names.


I did, still had to add the .0. to the halui-spindle stuffs. Tach on TLM 
works, doesn't on the G0704. Probably need to fix that signal path, but 
not sure how, lots of spindle related stuff in the halmeter doesn't work 
on both machines. But at least both will run again. Since the tach is 
related to the spindle, it should reference by the same .0. mechanism. 
Which may be why the tach on the g0704 isn't working, but if that were 
true, why is the tach on TLM still working?

Works wonders, _IF_ the motor power is turned ON. :)

So I'll go hide in the corner while the glue is setting for the power 
brushes on the laser extension.

My power slaving on the sheldon is spoiling me. If F2 is released, all 
motor power on the Sheldon is turned off, including the VFD. I should 
rig something similar on the other 3 machines, but they don't have the 
extensive i/o choices the Sheldon has with its 7i90HD as 2&3 of the 
other 3 are running on 5i25's & the first one is still bit banging a 
parport.  One the job training I think they call that.

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Re: [Emc-users] new linuxcnc today, wants to rerun update_ini again

[Rene Hopf via Emc-users]

I just added all the halui spindle pins to the update ini script. it pull and 
run the script again.

> On 7. Oct 2018, at 21:07, Rene Hopf via Emc-users 
>  wrote:
> 
> thats related to multi spindle, the conversion script seems to be incomplete.
> the message about joint-axis is confusing, it just converts the spindle names.
> rename the pins to halui.spindle.0.whatever
> if you depend on spindle-at-speed, dont update, as that is currently broken...
> 
> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/devel/html/man/man1/halui.1.html#PINS
> 
>> On 7. Oct 2018, at 20:53, Gene Heskett  wrote:
>> 
>> And it wants to do it on both machines I've updated today.
>> 
>> Checking the file, it was new yesterday.
>> 
>> Is it safe? Joints merger has been done once, and I had to do a fair bit 
>> of sorting to recover.
>> 
>> Doesn't look as if its safe:
>> 
>> gene@lathe:~/linuxcnc/configs/my_LinuxCNC_machine2$ linuxcnc  -l
>> LINUXCNC - 2.8.0-pre1-3898-g6c5404a
>> Machine configuration directory 
>> is '/home/gene/linuxcnc/configs/my_LinuxCNC_machine2'
>> Machine configuration file is 'my_LinuxCNC_machine2.ini'
>> Starting LinuxCNC...
>> .
>> Found file(REL): ./my_LinuxCNC_machine2.hal
>> ./my_LinuxCNC_machine2.hal:452: Pin 'halui.spindle.forward' does not 
>> exist
>> Shutting down and cleaning up LinuxCNC...
>> Running HAL shutdown script
>> LinuxCNC terminated with an error.  You can find more information in the 
>> log:
>>   /home/gene/linuxcnc_debug.txt
>> and
>>   /home/gene/linuxcnc_print.txt
>> as well as in the output of the shell command 'dmesg' and in the terminal
>> 
>> Just one comment, that pin does exist in both the old and new versions of 
>> my_LinuxCNC_machine2.hal.
>> 
>> So something has renamed, or deleted that pin. And  likely other 
>> associated pins since halui.spindle.reverse is next in that list.
>> 
>> Fix?
>> 
>> -- 
>> Cheers, Gene Heskett
>> --
>> "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
>> soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
>> -Ed Howdershelt (Author)
>> Genes Web page 
>> 
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Re: [Emc-users] new linuxcnc today, wants to rerun update_ini again

[Rene Hopf via Emc-users]

thats related to multi spindle, the conversion script seems to be incomplete.
the message about joint-axis is confusing, it just converts the spindle names.
rename the pins to halui.spindle.0.whatever
if you depend on spindle-at-speed, dont update, as that is currently broken...

http://linuxcnc.org/docs/devel/html/man/man1/halui.1.html#PINS

> On 7. Oct 2018, at 20:53, Gene Heskett  wrote:
> 
> And it wants to do it on both machines I've updated today.
> 
> Checking the file, it was new yesterday.
> 
> Is it safe? Joints merger has been done once, and I had to do a fair bit 
> of sorting to recover.
> 
> Doesn't look as if its safe:
> 
> gene@lathe:~/linuxcnc/configs/my_LinuxCNC_machine2$ linuxcnc  -l
> LINUXCNC - 2.8.0-pre1-3898-g6c5404a
> Machine configuration directory 
> is '/home/gene/linuxcnc/configs/my_LinuxCNC_machine2'
> Machine configuration file is 'my_LinuxCNC_machine2.ini'
> Starting LinuxCNC...
> .
> Found file(REL): ./my_LinuxCNC_machine2.hal
> ./my_LinuxCNC_machine2.hal:452: Pin 'halui.spindle.forward' does not 
> exist
> Shutting down and cleaning up LinuxCNC...
> Running HAL shutdown script
> LinuxCNC terminated with an error.  You can find more information in the 
> log:
>/home/gene/linuxcnc_debug.txt
> and
>/home/gene/linuxcnc_print.txt
> as well as in the output of the shell command 'dmesg' and in the terminal
> 
> Just one comment, that pin does exist in both the old and new versions of 
> my_LinuxCNC_machine2.hal.
> 
> So something has renamed, or deleted that pin. And  likely other 
> associated pins since halui.spindle.reverse is next in that list.
> 
> Fix?
> 
> -- 
> Cheers, Gene Heskett
> --
> "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
> soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> -Ed Howdershelt (Author)
> Genes Web page 
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Re: [Emc-users] new linuxcnc today, wants to rerun update_ini again

[andy pugh]

On Sun, 7 Oct 2018 at 19:55, Gene Heskett  wrote:

> And it wants to do it on both machines I've updated today.

Let it run, it should update the INI / HAL from 1.0 to 1.1 which
handles changes to spindle pin names.

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[Emc-users] new linuxcnc today, wants to rerun update_ini again

[Gene Heskett]

And it wants to do it on both machines I've updated today.

Checking the file, it was new yesterday.

Is it safe? Joints merger has been done once, and I had to do a fair bit 
of sorting to recover.

Doesn't look as if its safe:

gene@lathe:~/linuxcnc/configs/my_LinuxCNC_machine2$ linuxcnc  -l
LINUXCNC - 2.8.0-pre1-3898-g6c5404a
Machine configuration directory 
is '/home/gene/linuxcnc/configs/my_LinuxCNC_machine2'
Machine configuration file is 'my_LinuxCNC_machine2.ini'
Starting LinuxCNC...
.
Found file(REL): ./my_LinuxCNC_machine2.hal
./my_LinuxCNC_machine2.hal:452: Pin 'halui.spindle.forward' does not 
exist
Shutting down and cleaning up LinuxCNC...
Running HAL shutdown script
LinuxCNC terminated with an error.  You can find more information in the 
log:
/home/gene/linuxcnc_debug.txt
and
/home/gene/linuxcnc_print.txt
as well as in the output of the shell command 'dmesg' and in the terminal

Just one comment, that pin does exist in both the old and new versions of 
my_LinuxCNC_machine2.hal.

So something has renamed, or deleted that pin. And  likely other 
associated pins since halui.spindle.reverse is next in that list.

Fix?

-- 
Cheers, Gene Heskett
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 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
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