Re: [Emc-users] Axis Gui will not run
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 12:39 PM, Jon Elson wrote: > Whenever somebody has an "Axis no longer runs on my system" problem, > that is the > first thing that comes to mind, either video card or the drivers for it. Although I should have realized the problem was video related because Tkemc ran, I knew that Axiom doesn't build video cards, so I assumed it either wasn't video or it wasn't the axiom card. This still seems really weird to me, it seems like the proprietary software that the video card companies are putting out is really bad nowadays. I'm happily avoiding it with my desktop. I had installed some proprietary Nvidia software on a previous installation of Ubuntu, and that same system was horribly unstable. I think it's intuitively obvious that a computer used to interface to the real world shouldn't have a lot of unnecessary software installed, but apparently this isn't obvious to everyone. One of the grad students was complaining that his computer was slow, I uninstalled all the extraneous software on the system and it sped right up. I think the main culprit was the software that only allows you to remain logged in to facebook for less than 4 hours. Eric -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Axis Gui will not run
Dave Keeton wrote: > Jon, >Thanks for looking into this but I have it working now. By the > way, The Axiom card is a Digital I/O card supported by HAL. I was kind > of surprised that everyone assumed that it was a video card. Whenever somebody has an "Axis no longer runs on my system" problem, that is the first thing that comes to mind, either video card or the drivers for it. > The card is > the Axiom AX5214H as described in the Linux CNC Docs. The problem was > caused by an ATI Video driver that was not removed when I pulled the old > video card out a while back.(Long before the DIO card was installed) > Don't know why it caused a problem after the DIO card was installed but > removing the old video driver corrected the problem. > And, so, it WAS caused by a video driver, just that this had nothing to do with the Axiom card. Adding the Axiom card caused the PCI enumeration to move various cards to different addresses, and it may be that the Axiom card ended up at an address where the video driver was expecting the ATI card. Really, a driver should NOT remember a past address, but who knows what schemes a driver writer might use. Or, it could have been a startup script that was associated with the ATI card. Yes, if you don't give enough detail, we have to make some assumptions, and those can easily be wrong. Jon -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Axis Gui will not run
On Sat, 2012-07-21 at 18:22 -0500, Jon Elson wrote: > Kent A. Reed wrote: > > Rather, I'd have to ask what else was changed when the Axiom card was > > installed? Call me an ornery cuss, but I suspect changes were made to > > configuration files that interfere with Axis starting. > > > Well, a very easy way to test it is to try to run glxgears. That may > even produce a > useful message. If glxgears runs and displays some animated spinning > gears, then > opengl is working correctly. If it doesn't, that is a very strong > indication that > opengl or the mesa emulation is not working. > > Can you pull this graphics card back out and see how it works? > > Jon > > -- > Live Security Virtual Conference > Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and > threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions > will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware > threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users Jon, Thanks for looking into this but I have it working now. By the way, The Axiom card is a Digital I/O card supported by HAL. I was kind of surprised that everyone assumed that it was a video card. The card is the Axiom AX5214H as described in the Linux CNC Docs. The problem was caused by an ATI Video driver that was not removed when I pulled the old video card out a while back.(Long before the DIO card was installed) Don't know why it caused a problem after the DIO card was installed but removing the old video driver corrected the problem. Thanks again, Dave -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Axis Gui will not run
Kent A. Reed wrote: > Rather, I'd have to ask what else was changed when the Axiom card was > installed? Call me an ornery cuss, but I suspect changes were made to > configuration files that interfere with Axis starting. > Well, a very easy way to test it is to try to run glxgears. That may even produce a useful message. If glxgears runs and displays some animated spinning gears, then opengl is working correctly. If it doesn't, that is a very strong indication that opengl or the mesa emulation is not working. Can you pull this graphics card back out and see how it works? Jon -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Axis Gui will not run
Eric Keller wrote: > I'm guessing it has something to do with the real-time system not starting, > but who knows? In general, being able to diagnose using dmesg first > requires that one get used to seeing the output of dmesg. > OK, well, to us LinuxCNC insiders, Axis not starting is different from LinuxCNC not starting. There certainly will be different error messages, although the outward symptoms might look pretty much the same. So, yes, we need the OP to be as specific as he can be. Jon -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Axis Gui will not run
On 7/21/2012 5:24 PM, Dave Keeton wrote: > ... > > Sorry if I caused such an uproar just asking a simple question! GEEEZ > Guys! Just kidding.Yes I should have given more info as I knew > better being a service tech for CNC machines myself. Sorry, it wont > happen again! Turns out that long before I installed the Axiom card I > removed a Visiontek ATI X1300 graphics card and forgot to remove all of > the drivers and ATI Catalyst software. I installed the Axiom DIO card > yesterday. The Axis GUI worked up until that point then everything went > haywire and the only GUI that would work was tkemc. I removed the ATI > drivers and Axis started working again as well as the Axiom card. The > computer is a rack mount single board with an ISA/PCI backplane. The CPU > is a pentium 4 2.4 Ghz with 2 Gig of ram. Currently using the embedded > graphics port. > > Sorry for the trouble and please don't spankenz me with that hair brush > again! ;-) > > Dave > > Boy, if only I had a nickel for every time I heard the old "I forgot to remove the old drivers" :-) It should be obvious that in the absence of facts we are perfectly happy to make up scenarios out of whole cloth. Glad it's working now. Like the man said, all's well that ends well. Regards, Kent -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Axis Gui will not run
On Sat, 2012-07-21 at 17:02 -0400, Kent A. Reed wrote: > On 7/21/2012 12:38 PM, Dave Keeton wrote: > > All, > >I installed a Axiom ax5214h card in my control. Since doing this > > the Axis GUI will not start up in my config. TKEMC runs fine. Any help > > would be appreciated. > > > > Dave > > > > > > Dave: > > You've got a lively side-bar exchange going among Andy, Eric, and me. > > My interpretation of your first message seems to be the most limited in > that I infer everything including Axis was "working" until you added the > Axiom I/O board. Andy's interpretation would mean Axis never worked. > Eric's would mean LinuxCNC itself is failing to start. We need you to > provide more information :-) > > Which version of LinuxCNC? Which version of Ubuntu? Which motherboard, > cpu, graphics subsystem, etc.? > > Is it a straight-forward install from the LinuxCNC distribution/LiveCD > or have you customized it? > > Under what circumstances, if any, have you ever had Axis running in this > system? > > Does glxgears run and display spinning meshed gears? > > Does the output from dmesg contain any suggestive messages (no, not that > kind of suggestive)? > > > I'm sorry for the curtness of my first response. I was trying to get > some online financial business done before my credit union shut down its > site for maintenance this weekend (nope; they pulled the plug before I > could get finished). I realize now that my appended anecdote looks > pretty snarky. I should have sent it separately since I have been > reminded of the experience by any number of discussion threads. Don't > take it to heart. I actually assumed you were doing pretty well since > you could make TkEMC to run in place of Axis. LinuxCNC can be a bear to > configure with so many possible variations in hardware and interfaces. > Everyone of us has had days where we're stumped. > > Regards, > Kent > > > -- > Live Security Virtual Conference > Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and > threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions > will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware > threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users Sorry if I caused such an uproar just asking a simple question! GEEEZ Guys! Just kidding.Yes I should have given more info as I knew better being a service tech for CNC machines myself. Sorry, it wont happen again! Turns out that long before I installed the Axiom card I removed a Visiontek ATI X1300 graphics card and forgot to remove all of the drivers and ATI Catalyst software. I installed the Axiom DIO card yesterday. The Axis GUI worked up until that point then everything went haywire and the only GUI that would work was tkemc. I removed the ATI drivers and Axis started working again as well as the Axiom card. The computer is a rack mount single board with an ISA/PCI backplane. The CPU is a pentium 4 2.4 Ghz with 2 Gig of ram. Currently using the embedded graphics port. Sorry for the trouble and please don't spankenz me with that hair brush again! ;-) Dave -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Axis Gui will not run
On Sat, 2012-07-21 at 17:45 +0100, andy pugh wrote: > On 21 July 2012 17:38, Dave Keeton wrote: > > All, > > I installed a Axiom ax5214h card in my control. Since doing this > > the Axis GUI will not start up in my config. TKEMC runs fine. Any help > > would be appreciated. > > Probably a graphics card or opengl issue, there are possible solutions > to both issues here: > http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?TroubleShooting#Display_Issues > Thanks! Turns out it was an active driver from my old video card that had been removed a while back. All is good now! Dave -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Axis Gui will not run
On 7/21/2012 12:38 PM, Dave Keeton wrote: > All, >I installed a Axiom ax5214h card in my control. Since doing this > the Axis GUI will not start up in my config. TKEMC runs fine. Any help > would be appreciated. > > Dave > > Dave: You've got a lively side-bar exchange going among Andy, Eric, and me. My interpretation of your first message seems to be the most limited in that I infer everything including Axis was "working" until you added the Axiom I/O board. Andy's interpretation would mean Axis never worked. Eric's would mean LinuxCNC itself is failing to start. We need you to provide more information :-) Which version of LinuxCNC? Which version of Ubuntu? Which motherboard, cpu, graphics subsystem, etc.? Is it a straight-forward install from the LinuxCNC distribution/LiveCD or have you customized it? Under what circumstances, if any, have you ever had Axis running in this system? Does glxgears run and display spinning meshed gears? Does the output from dmesg contain any suggestive messages (no, not that kind of suggestive)? I'm sorry for the curtness of my first response. I was trying to get some online financial business done before my credit union shut down its site for maintenance this weekend (nope; they pulled the plug before I could get finished). I realize now that my appended anecdote looks pretty snarky. I should have sent it separately since I have been reminded of the experience by any number of discussion threads. Don't take it to heart. I actually assumed you were doing pretty well since you could make TkEMC to run in place of Axis. LinuxCNC can be a bear to configure with so many possible variations in hardware and interfaces. Everyone of us has had days where we're stumped. Regards, Kent -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Axis Gui will not run
On 21 July 2012 18:45, Kent A. Reed wrote: > Errm. Dave said "Since doing this..." which suggests Axis used to start > but doesn't start now that he has installed the Axiom card. I was rather assuming that the Axiom card was a graphics card... But if Axis doesn't start, but TKlinux does (assuming that _all_ that was changed was the UI) then OpenGL is normally the problem. -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Axis Gui will not run
On Sat, Jul 21, 2012 at 3:31 PM, Kent A. Reed wrote: > > Agreed. It's also my first response to a problem. I haven't done my > homework to figure out what messages to expect from a balky Axis setup. > I figured the moment I said "check dmesg output" someone would ask what > to look for, so I didn't say it. > I'm guessing it has something to do with the real-time system not starting, but who knows? In general, being able to diagnose using dmesg first requires that one get used to seeing the output of dmesg. Loved your anecdote, btw. Still get that kind of nonsense from people that should know better. I was reading some online forum for controls techs recently. Not really germane to this discussion, but what I learned is that the first rule of diagnosis is to leave your computer in the car or it's your fault. Eric -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Axis Gui will not run
On 7/21/2012 2:57 PM, Eric Keller wrote: > On Sat, Jul 21, 2012 at 1:45 PM, Kent A. Reed wrote: > >> Rather, I'd have to ask what else was changed when the Axiom card was >> installed? Call me an ornery cuss, but I suspect changes were made to >> configuration files that interfere with Axis starting. >> >> Logic dictates that if the computer is displaying stuff on the screen, > he's not having graphics card issues because of the axiom card. > > Don't we have a troubleshooting procedure in the wiki? I swear it's in > there but I am also too lazy to look. Even if we do, it's hard to design one that addresses every possible problem. I have been trying to get some reasonably important online financial work done today so I didn't look either (that's a pompous way of saying "I was too lazy to look" since I obviously keep my email client open). > The dmesg command is where I always start, it's pretty useful to be able to > read the messages there. Agreed. It's also my first response to a problem. I haven't done my homework to figure out what messages to expect from a balky Axis setup. I figured the moment I said "check dmesg output" someone would ask what to look for, so I didn't say it. > Eric Regards, Kent -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Axis Gui will not run
On Sat, Jul 21, 2012 at 1:45 PM, Kent A. Reed wrote: > > Rather, I'd have to ask what else was changed when the Axiom card was > installed? Call me an ornery cuss, but I suspect changes were made to > configuration files that interfere with Axis starting. > > Logic dictates that if the computer is displaying stuff on the screen, he's not having graphics card issues because of the axiom card. Don't we have a troubleshooting procedure in the wiki? I swear it's in there but I am also too lazy to look. The dmesg command is where I always start, it's pretty useful to be able to read the messages there. Eric -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Axis Gui will not run
On 7/21/2012 12:45 PM, andy pugh wrote:
> On 21 July 2012 17:38, Dave Keeton wrote:
>> All,
>>I installed a Axiom ax5214h card in my control. Since doing this
>> the Axis GUI will not start up in my config. TKEMC runs fine. Any help
>> would be appreciated.
> Probably a graphics card or opengl issue, there are possible solutions
> to both issues here:
> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?TroubleShooting#Display_Issues
Errm. Dave said "Since doing this..." which suggests Axis used to start
but doesn't start now that he has installed the Axiom card.
To my way of thinking this is not a graphics card or opengl issue unless
Axis has never started. He doesn't say what the underlying system
configuration is ("be specific to be terrific" is going to be my mantra)
so I won't speculate on obscure possibilities involving the graphics
subsystem.
Rather, I'd have to ask what else was changed when the Axiom card was
installed? Call me an ornery cuss, but I suspect changes were made to
configuration files that interfere with Axis starting.
Just my two cents worth.
Regards,
Kent
PS - This situation reminds me of my life as a graduate student with a
boatload of experimental data to analyze. I spent long hours in the user
room of the university computer facility. Almost every night someone
doing a class exercise would declare "My program used to work and now it
doesn't. There must be something wrong with the system." They would
often zero in on me because I was camped out with a stack of IBM manuals
and trays full of elaborately decorated card decks.
The typical exchange would go something like this:
me) "I don't know anything about your program, but what changed between
last time and this time?"
him) "Nothing."
me) "Then why are you running the program again?"
him) "Because I had to analyze a different case."
me) "So all you did was swap data decks?"
him) "Well, sure, I made a little change to the program but that
wouldn't make any difference."
me) <...long silent stare...>
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Re: [Emc-users] Axis Gui will not run
On 21 July 2012 17:38, Dave Keeton wrote: > All, > I installed a Axiom ax5214h card in my control. Since doing this > the Axis GUI will not start up in my config. TKEMC runs fine. Any help > would be appreciated. Probably a graphics card or opengl issue, there are possible solutions to both issues here: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?TroubleShooting#Display_Issues -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
[Emc-users] Axis Gui will not run
All, I installed a Axiom ax5214h card in my control. Since doing this the Axis GUI will not start up in my config. TKEMC runs fine. Any help would be appreciated. Dave -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
