Re: [Emc-users] Default File Directory now [OT] for "old timers"

[Mark Wendt]

On 12/12/2011 04:12 PM, Dave wrote:
> Perhaps a better solution to prevent silly mistakes would be for the computer 
> to "play dead" - ie bluescreen and throw up some cryptic error message about 
> possible faulty drive sectors, or some CPU undertemp situation ... in the 
> meantime the computer could carry on as usual in the background safe from 
> further human interaction.  ;-)
> Hmm...  Perhaps Microsoft has already mastered this technology and they have 
> kept it a secret for our benefit!  :-)
>
> Dave
>
Dave,

 I've decided over the years that I'll suffer the occasional 
self-inflicted dope slap just to avoid having to jump through three 
levels of warnings for certain things.  If I want to delete a file, I 
want to delete it NOW, dammit...

 I've even un-aliased all my "rm's" in all my .rc files to get 
rid of the damn "-i" feature Ubuntu and Redhat seems to have stuck in to 
the etc version of that file (or if it's my own desktop I just go to the 
system file and delete or comment out that stupid line).

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Re: [Emc-users] Default File Directory now [OT] for "old timers"

[Mark Wendt]

On 12/12/2011 02:35 PM, Kent A. Reed wrote:
> Gene, Mark, Jon:
>
> It seems to me the only essential difference between the rank amateur
> and the super-experienced user is the way they tell their stories about
> how they went wrong with confidence. The amateur talks with wonder ("I
> can't believe I "); the old timers with bemusement ("I should of
> known better" or "would you believe").
>
> What I always wanted was a hand that would reach out of the console and
> give me a dope-slap when I was about to do something I shouldn't. No
> "are you sure" prompt ever stopped me from hitting "Y" before my
> brain had a chance to catch up with my fingers.
>
> Regards,
> Kent
>
> Making mistakes at cpu speed since 1964.
>
Kinda reminds of that old military joke:

What's the difference between a fairy tale and war story?

A fairy tale starts out "Once upon a time..." and a war story starts out 
"This is no sh*t..."

;-)

Yeah, a dope slap mechanism surely would have come in handy on a few 
occasions.

I just can't stand those "Are you really, really, really really sure you 
wanna do this?" warning flags though.  Way too Microshaftish.

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Re: [Emc-users] Default File Directory now [OT] for "old timers"

[Dave]

On 12/12/2011 2:35 PM, Kent A. Reed wrote:
> On 12/12/2011 11:24 AM, Jon Elson wrote:
>
>>> On Monday, December 12, 2011 08:50:55 AM Mark Wendt did opine:
>>>
>>>
What amazes the heck out of me more often than not, is the fact
 that I'm working at the "Naval Research Lab", emphasis on "Research."
 That research demands a computing technology at a pretty high level, and
 the Lab has been at the forefront for years on cutting edge computer
 technology.
  
>> Well, I have been a sysadmin or systems developer for over 30 years.  I
>> remember a long time
>> ago purging a VMS directory and wiping out most of a month's billing
>> records before I
>> realized THAT directory was not to be purged.  I was kind of late to hit
>> ctrl/C, but saved
>> some of the billing.  My boss was NOT happy about that!
>>
>> Jon
>>
>>  
> Gene, Mark, Jon:
>
> It seems to me the only essential difference between the rank amateur
> and the super-experienced user is the way they tell their stories about
> how they went wrong with confidence. The amateur talks with wonder ("I
> can't believe I "); the old timers with bemusement ("I should of
> known better" or "would you believe").
>
> What I always wanted was a hand that would reach out of the console and
> give me a dope-slap when I was about to do something I shouldn't. No
> "are you sure" prompt ever stopped me from hitting "Y" before my
> brain had a chance to catch up with my fingers.
>
> Regards,
> Kent
>
> Making mistakes at cpu speed since 1964.
>
>
>

Perhaps a better solution to prevent silly mistakes would be for the computer 
to "play dead" - ie bluescreen and throw up some cryptic error message about 
possible faulty drive sectors, or some CPU undertemp situation ... in the 
meantime the computer could carry on as usual in the background safe from 
further human interaction.  ;-)
Hmm...  Perhaps Microsoft has already mastered this technology and they have 
kept it a secret for our benefit!  :-)

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Re: [Emc-users] Default File Directory now [OT] for "old timers"

[gene heskett]

On Monday, December 12, 2011 03:52:10 PM Kent A. Reed did opine:

> Gene, Mark, Jon:
> 
> It seems to me the only essential difference between the rank amateur
> and the super-experienced user is the way they tell their stories about
> how they went wrong with confidence. The amateur talks with wonder ("I
> can't believe I "); the old timers with bemusement ("I should of
> known better" or "would you believe").
> 
> What I always wanted was a hand that would reach out of the console and
> give me a dope-slap when I was about to do something I shouldn't. No
> "are you sure" prompt ever stopped me from hitting "Y" before my
> brain had a chance to catch up with my fingers.
> 
Damn, and here I thought I was the only one who suffered from that malady.  
The hand that reaches up and slaps me silly, is usually mine, and always 
too late. ;0)

> Regards,
> Kent
> 
> Making mistakes at cpu speed since 1964.
> 
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Re: [Emc-users] Default File Directory now [OT] for "old timers"

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On Mon, 12 Dec 2011, Kent A. Reed wrote:

> On 12/12/2011 11:24 AM, Jon Elson wrote:
>>> On Monday, December 12, 2011 08:50:55 AM Mark Wendt did opine:
>>>
   What amazes the heck out of me more often than not, is the fact
 that I'm working at the "Naval Research Lab", emphasis on "Research."
 That research demands a computing technology at a pretty high level, and
 the Lab has been at the forefront for years on cutting edge computer
 technology.
>> Well, I have been a sysadmin or systems developer for over 30 years.  I
>> remember a long time
>> ago purging a VMS directory and wiping out most of a month's billing
>> records before I
>> realized THAT directory was not to be purged.  I was kind of late to hit
>> ctrl/C, but saved
>> some of the billing.  My boss was NOT happy about that!
>>
>> Jon
>>
> Gene, Mark, Jon:
>
> It seems to me the only essential difference between the rank amateur
> and the super-experienced user is the way they tell their stories about
> how they went wrong with confidence. The amateur talks with wonder ("I
> can't believe I "); the old timers with bemusement ("I should of
> known better" or "would you believe").
>
> What I always wanted was a hand that would reach out of the console and
> give me a dope-slap when I was about to do something I shouldn't.

Sounds like a project to me
EMC comtrolled console arm to replace "Are you sure" popup

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Re: [Emc-users] Default File Directory now [OT] for "old timers"

[Kent A. Reed]

On 12/12/2011 11:24 AM, Jon Elson wrote:
>> On Monday, December 12, 2011 08:50:55 AM Mark Wendt did opine:
>>
>>>   What amazes the heck out of me more often than not, is the fact
>>> that I'm working at the "Naval Research Lab", emphasis on "Research."
>>> That research demands a computing technology at a pretty high level, and
>>> the Lab has been at the forefront for years on cutting edge computer
>>> technology.
> Well, I have been a sysadmin or systems developer for over 30 years.  I
> remember a long time
> ago purging a VMS directory and wiping out most of a month's billing
> records before I
> realized THAT directory was not to be purged.  I was kind of late to hit
> ctrl/C, but saved
> some of the billing.  My boss was NOT happy about that!
>
> Jon
>
Gene, Mark, Jon:

It seems to me the only essential difference between the rank amateur 
and the super-experienced user is the way they tell their stories about 
how they went wrong with confidence. The amateur talks with wonder ("I 
can't believe I "); the old timers with bemusement ("I should of 
known better" or "would you believe").

What I always wanted was a hand that would reach out of the console and 
give me a dope-slap when I was about to do something I shouldn't. No 
"are you sure" prompt ever stopped me from hitting "Y" before my 
brain had a chance to catch up with my fingers.

Regards,
Kent

Making mistakes at cpu speed since 1964.


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Re: [Emc-users] Default File Directory

[Jon Elson]

Mark Wendt wrote:
>
> Ooops!  Thank goodness for backups, right?  Right?  ;-)
>
> And slap silly the person who wrote the software that didn't create the 
> files with date/time stamp info in the file name, relying rather on 
> VMS's numbered versioning to differentiate between the files.  Numbered 
> versioning was designed for folks editing files and having prior 
> versions around in case the new files hosed something.
>
> My rule for purging was to do it only when i was sure I had a working 
> version of a command procedure, document, or whatever I was working on.  
> Never, ever, ever rely on versioning to differentiate between different 
> files.  ;-)
>   
Yup, that was my fault for using such a crude procedure.  And, we only 
did backups
once a week on Friday night.  I'm sure the disaster had to have happened 
on Friday
afternoon, to maximize data loss.

Jon

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[Emc-users] Default File Directory

[Ian Eagland]

Hi

Is there a way to bring up the file load window with the date modified 
field listed along with the ability to click on the top of the date 
column to get into date modified order?

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Re: [Emc-users] Default File Directory

[Mark Wendt]

On 12/12/2011 11:24 AM, Jon Elson wrote:
>
>> On Monday, December 12, 2011 08:50:55 AM Mark Wendt did opine:
>>
>>  
>>>   What amazes the heck out of me more often than not, is the fact
>>> that I'm working at the "Naval Research Lab", emphasis on "Research."
>>> That research demands a computing technology at a pretty high level, and
>>> the Lab has been at the forefront for years on cutting edge computer
>>> technology.
>>>
> Well, I have been a sysadmin or systems developer for over 30 years.  I
> remember a long time
> ago purging a VMS directory and wiping out most of a month's billing
> records before I
> realized THAT directory was not to be purged.  I was kind of late to hit
> ctrl/C, but saved
> some of the billing.  My boss was NOT happy about that!
>
> Jon
>
Ooops!  Thank goodness for backups, right?  Right?  ;-)

And slap silly the person who wrote the software that didn't create the 
files with date/time stamp info in the file name, relying rather on 
VMS's numbered versioning to differentiate between the files.  Numbered 
versioning was designed for folks editing files and having prior 
versions around in case the new files hosed something.

My rule for purging was to do it only when i was sure I had a working 
version of a command procedure, document, or whatever I was working on.  
Never, ever, ever rely on versioning to differentiate between different 
files.  ;-)

Mark

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Re: [Emc-users] Default File Directory

[Jon Elson]

> On Monday, December 12, 2011 08:50:55 AM Mark Wendt did opine:
>   
>>
>>  What amazes the heck out of me more often than not, is the fact
>> that I'm working at the "Naval Research Lab", emphasis on "Research."
>> That research demands a computing technology at a pretty high level, and
>> the Lab has been at the forefront for years on cutting edge computer
>> technology.
Well, I have been a sysadmin or systems developer for over 30 years.  I 
remember a long time
ago purging a VMS directory and wiping out most of a month's billing 
records before I
realized THAT directory was not to be purged.  I was kind of late to hit 
ctrl/C, but saved
some of the billing.  My boss was NOT happy about that!

Jon

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Re: [Emc-users] Default File Directory

[gene heskett]

On Monday, December 12, 2011 08:50:55 AM Mark Wendt did opine:

> On 12/12/2011 08:18 AM, gene heskett wrote:
> >> Gene,
> >> 
> >> Being a sysadmin, mainly for Unix servers and such along with a ton
> >> of Winders users here at the Lab, I can honestly say "their
> >> considered opionion" is correct 99 times out of 100.  ;-)
> > 
> > Chuckle, probably so, but only because the winderz users refuse to
> > actually learn.  We're back to Art Clarks observation that any
> > sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. 
> > And you are the resident Magicion.
> 
> Gene,
> 
>  What amazes the heck out of me more often than not, is the fact
> that I'm working at the "Naval Research Lab", emphasis on "Research."
> That research demands a computing technology at a pretty high level, and
> the Lab has been at the forefront for years on cutting edge computer
> technology.  And yet, we have folks that can't seem to log in to their
> accounts on a regular basis, or use the software that their job requires
> without babysitting them.  I mean, it's not like we work at the
> Microsoft Help Desk here and accept phone calls from the typical
> consumer user out there in the world - that I could understand.  These
> folks here a supposed to be "techies."
> 
> Mark
> 
Humm, proof of the Peter Principle?  Or was that Parker, I get them 
confused in my later years.  Perhaps both...  ;-)


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Re: [Emc-users] Default File Directory

[Mark Wendt]

On 12/12/2011 08:18 AM, gene heskett wrote:
>> Gene,
>>
>> Being a sysadmin, mainly for Unix servers and such along with a ton of
>> Winders users here at the Lab, I can honestly say "their considered
>> opionion" is correct 99 times out of 100.  ;-)
>>
>>  
> Chuckle, probably so, but only because the winderz users refuse to actually
> learn.  We're back to Art Clarks observation that any sufficiently advanced
> technology is indistinguishable from magic.  And you are the resident
> Magicion.
>
Gene,

 What amazes the heck out of me more often than not, is the fact 
that I'm working at the "Naval Research Lab", emphasis on "Research."  
That research demands a computing technology at a pretty high level, and 
the Lab has been at the forefront for years on cutting edge computer 
technology.  And yet, we have folks that can't seem to log in to their 
accounts on a regular basis, or use the software that their job requires 
without babysitting them.  I mean, it's not like we work at the 
Microsoft Help Desk here and accept phone calls from the typical 
consumer user out there in the world - that I could understand.  These 
folks here a supposed to be "techies."

Mark

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Re: [Emc-users] Default File Directory

[gene heskett]

On Monday, December 12, 2011 08:12:23 AM Mark Wendt did opine:

> On 12/11/2011 01:19 PM, gene heskett wrote:
> > For a new bee, the lingo can be confusing.  We routinely do things in
> > linux because we can, that would give a windows administrator
> > nightmares as the user simply cannot be trusted to do it himself. (in
> > their considered opinion that is.)  Sometimes the gene pool is
> > contaminated. :)
> 
> Gene,
> 
> Being a sysadmin, mainly for Unix servers and such along with a ton of
> Winders users here at the Lab, I can honestly say "their considered
> opionion" is correct 99 times out of 100.  ;-)
> 
Chuckle, probably so, but only because the winderz users refuse to actually 
learn.  We're back to Art Clarks observation that any sufficiently advanced 
technology is indistinguishable from magic.  And you are the resident 
Magicion.

> > Cheers, Gene
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
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Re: [Emc-users] Default File Directory

[Mark Wendt]

On 12/11/2011 01:19 PM, gene heskett wrote:
> For a new bee, the lingo can be confusing.  We routinely do things in linux
> because we can, that would give a windows administrator nightmares as the
> user simply cannot be trusted to do it himself. (in their considered
> opinion that is.)  Sometimes the gene pool is contaminated. :)
>
Gene,

Being a sysadmin, mainly for Unix servers and such along with a ton of 
Winders users here at the Lab, I can honestly say "their considered 
opionion" is correct 99 times out of 100.  ;-)
> Cheers, Gene
>

Mark


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Re: [Emc-users] Default File Directory

[Dan Field]

On 12/11/2011 6:47 AM, andy pugh wrote:
>> Any way to tell EMC2 to also find  *.nc files along with  ngc
> Yes, just add
> PROGRAM_EXTENSION .nc
> in the [FILTER] section of you INI file.
Thanks, this works. Interesting that  .ngc was not even shown in the 
Filter Section but EMC looks for it.

Now to find the correct path to get to the Windows network and I will be 
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Re: [Emc-users] Default File Directory

[gene heskett]

On Sunday, December 11, 2011 01:09:13 PM Dave Christman did opine:

> On 12/10/2011 1:57 PM, gene heskett wrote:
> > On Saturday, December 10, 2011 01:56:18 PM Dave Christman did opine:
> >> Is there a way to change the "Default File Directory" so when I go to
> >> open my files, EMC will go directly to a folder of my choice.
> > 
> > In the DISPLAY section of your .ini file, there is a
> > PROGRAM_PREFIX = /home/gene/emc2/nc_files
> > 
> > Adjust that path to suit.  Restart emc.
> > 
> > Cheers, Gene
> 
> Thanks Gene, that is just what I was looking for. 

NP, glad I could help.

> Greatly appreciated,
> and thanks to Dan and Andy for your additional input. Anything I can
> learn is appreciated. Sorry Kyle, but I am not familiar enough with
> Ubuntu and did not understand pointing a program to another location.

Which is, in the vernacular of computers, what you are doing when you 
edited that path definition, you are 'pointing it'.

For a new bee, the lingo can be confusing.  We routinely do things in linux 
because we can, that would give a windows administrator nightmares as the 
user simply cannot be trusted to do it himself. (in their considered 
opinion that is.)  Sometimes the gene pool is contaminated. :)

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Re: [Emc-users] Default File Directory

[Dave Christman]

On 12/10/2011 1:57 PM, gene heskett wrote:
> On Saturday, December 10, 2011 01:56:18 PM Dave Christman did opine:
>
>> Is there a way to change the "Default File Directory" so when I go to
>> open my files, EMC will go directly to a folder of my choice.
>>
> In the DISPLAY section of your .ini file, there is a
> PROGRAM_PREFIX = /home/gene/emc2/nc_files
>
> Adjust that path to suit.  Restart emc.
>
> Cheers, Gene
Thanks Gene, that is just what I was looking for. Greatly appreciated, 
and thanks to Dan and Andy for your additional input. Anything I can 
learn is appreciated. Sorry Kyle, but I am not familiar enough with 
Ubuntu and did not understand pointing a program to another location.

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Re: [Emc-users] Default File Directory

[andy pugh]

On 11 December 2011 03:02, Dan Field  wrote:

> Any way to tell EMC2 to also find  *.nc files along with  ngc

Yes, just add
PROGRAM_EXTENSION .nc
in the [FILTER] section of you INI file.

http://www.linuxcnc.org/docview/html/config_ini_config.html#sub:%5BFILTER%5D-Section

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[Kyle Kerr]

You could always point EMC to the shared folder.

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Re: [Emc-users] Default File Directory

[Dan Field]

On a related topic,  *.nc   verses *. ngc   files.   EMC2 finds  *.ngc 
files but not  .nc   So I have to switch to all files to find my saved 
file.My CAM program saves as  *.nc  though last go I remembered and 
tried saving as  *.ngc  which did work just fine so that is one way to 
do it.

Any way to tell EMC2 to also find  *.nc files along with  ngc  ?   It's 
just a nuisance at the moment, not a big deal.

I create my files on a Windows network desktop.  I find it interesting 
Unbuntu can find a Windows Network but Windows can't see Unbuntu.  It 
would be nice to save directly out to the shop computer in the EMC2 
folder but I have to save to shared folder and then at the shop computer 
go back to the shared folder, copy it and paste into the right 
folder.At least I have found a way yet.

regards
Dan

On 12/10/2011 10:57 AM, gene heskett wrote:
> On Saturday, December 10, 2011 01:56:18 PM Dave Christman did opine:
>
>> Is there a way to change the "Default File Directory" so when I go to
>> open my files, EMC will go directly to a folder of my choice.
>>
> In the DISPLAY section of your .ini file, there is a
> PROGRAM_PREFIX = /home/gene/emc2/nc_files
>
> Adjust that path to suit.  Restart emc.
>
> Cheers, Gene


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Re: [Emc-users] Default File Directory

[gene heskett]

On Saturday, December 10, 2011 01:56:18 PM Dave Christman did opine:

> Is there a way to change the "Default File Directory" so when I go to
> open my files, EMC will go directly to a folder of my choice.
> 
In the DISPLAY section of your .ini file, there is a
PROGRAM_PREFIX = /home/gene/emc2/nc_files

Adjust that path to suit.  Restart emc.

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[Dave Christman]

Is there a way to change the "Default File Directory" so when I go to 
open my files, EMC will go directly to a folder of my choice.

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